Thanks SC. I think we've had some civil (and for me anyway, enlightening) conversations here, so hopefully you do to.
But one caveat - sometimes the "this place is an echo chamber and woe is me for disagreeing with the herd" can be its own straw man. This is definitely not you, far from it, but some posters try to use the armor of "everybody's gonna hate me for saying this..." to avoid engaging the legitimate points within the herd.
Let's be civil on both sides, and not begrudge Borges his donuts (just his zone stretches) ;)
"Coach Mattison told me what the Ravens were about, what he thought," Beyer said. "He definitely encouraged me. I hold his opinion in high regard."