Meta: brokers on the ticket spreadsheet
I was about to list an ND student ticket on the ticket spreadsheet, but I noticed there are at least a few people (one of whom is an AD intern--that'll turn out well) trying to buy and sell ND student tickets for 'negotiable' prices on there.
I emailed Seth, but I'm not sure how to get in touch with Will, who moderates the ticket spreadsheet, quickly enough to do something about it. I assume Seth's day is going to be eaten by preparations for tonight's event, leaving him no time to deal with wannabe ticket brokers posing as fans.
In the meantime, I thought I'd ask the MGoCommunity what those of us should do, who want to get extra tickets in the hands of M fans without enriching bad actors. Thoughts?
September 6th, 2013 at 11:04 AM ^
September 6th, 2013 at 11:10 AM ^
I have sold tickets on Stub Hub before, so I am a bad guy. I never posted on the spreadsheet because I see this as a community of fans. I always felt the spreadsheet was a place to ensure unused tickets go to UM fans at a reasonable price. I guess I am wrong.
September 6th, 2013 at 11:15 AM ^
I think that's the spirit of it. If you're looking for profit, then sell it on StubHub... and if you're trying to sell the tickets to a fellow MGoBlogger then put it on the spreadsheet for a fair price.
Maybe the listing rules should be clearer if you want to define what constitutes a fair price, etc.
September 6th, 2013 at 11:32 AM ^
September 6th, 2013 at 11:23 AM ^
Will posts in the OP that permissions are open. He might have started the spreadsheet but I don't think he does anything to actively moderate it.
September 6th, 2013 at 11:55 AM ^
Ive made the permissions open to anyone to edit, so we'll try the trust method for a while until someone abuses. Feel free to post what you are looking for or selling.If it gets abused, I'll go back to the method of requiring someone to email me and then posting.
Using the spreadsheet to both buy and sell tickets at negotiable prices looks like abuse to me. Right?
September 6th, 2013 at 12:02 PM ^
I have no idea, other than it has been 49 months and the format hasn't changed. What that means is up for interpretation, I guess.
September 6th, 2013 at 12:14 PM ^
I assume he isn't monitoring it, but would if he sees evidence of abuse, which was kind of the point of this post. Consider this my will bat signal.
September 6th, 2013 at 11:30 AM ^
September 6th, 2013 at 12:11 PM ^
i don't know how long i'll be there, though, as i have an infant at home. given the danger of people reselling them, i guess it's priced at the bottom of the stubhub market (currently $180) and i'll give some percentage (25%? something like that) of the sale price to marlin's charity.
September 6th, 2013 at 11:35 AM ^
Which ones do you think are brokers? Nothing jumped out at me when I checked the spreadsheet.
September 6th, 2013 at 11:40 AM ^
How do I access this ticket spreadsheet you speak of?
September 6th, 2013 at 11:43 AM ^
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/buying-selling-um-tickets-thread-spreadsheet
Click on the tabs on the upper right (MGoBoard, Useful Stuff) to find sticky threads and wiki pages like the User Created Hall of Fame, Moderator Action Sticky, a Michigan bar map, ect.
September 6th, 2013 at 12:05 PM ^
The spreadsheet may have been compromised. Someone changed all my entries for Minnesota, Indiana, and Nebraska to say ND tickets instead. Bogus
September 6th, 2013 at 11:45 AM ^
Under the MGoBoard drop down on the top right of the site.
September 6th, 2013 at 12:03 PM ^
| Buying | 8/17/2013 | [doesn't matter] | Current Student | ND | Student GA | 1 | 1 | Negotiable | Could potentially trade for OSU ticket |
| Selling | 8/17/2013 | [doesn't matter] | Current Student | ND | Student GA | 2 | Negotiable | ||||||||||||
| Selling | 8/17/2013 | [doesn't matter] | Current Student | ND | Student GA | 2 | Negotiable | ||||||||||||
| Selling | 8/17/2013 | [doesn't matter] | Current Student | ND | Student GA | 2 | Negotiable | ||||||||||||
| Selling | 8/17/2013 | [doesn't matter] | Current Student | ND | Student GA | 2 | Negotiable |
There was another person with very similar entries as well--the AD intern to whom I was referring--but I believe those entries have been changed since I posted. There are only two entries now, one buying and one selling, and while both list ND in the game column, they now specify different games in the comments. The spreadsheet has been edited very recently--9 minutes ago when I loaded it to copy and paste the lines above. So I think that's a job-saving whitewash in progress.
September 6th, 2013 at 11:42 AM ^
Idk if this is TECHNICALLY Threadjacking or not... but I have 1 (ONE!!) Non-student ticket forsale for $150 to the first MgoBlogger that wants it.
September 6th, 2013 at 1:13 PM ^
September 6th, 2013 at 3:09 PM ^
I have two now available.
September 6th, 2013 at 4:23 PM ^
Hey sideline,
Do you have 2 non-student seats together? I'd be interested at 150, especially if they're above row 40 or 50 or so. rstephan at stanford dot edu. I'll be on campus tonight. Thanks!
Rob
September 6th, 2013 at 4:37 PM ^
Where are the tickets? how much?
September 6th, 2013 at 11:51 AM ^
This makes me sad, as I paid $250 for a ticket last week. Either way, I can't wait until tomorrow. Go Blue!
September 6th, 2013 at 11:57 AM ^
I paid 275 through the school for my one (row 12), then my girlfriend sold her student ticket to buy a pair... $550 for those... so I had all my 3 for $275 each... this is just a family friend that happened to have two tickets available last minute.
September 6th, 2013 at 12:04 PM ^
Well good luck. Although, I'm sure you'll have no problem finding someone to take that ticket off your hands for $150.
September 6th, 2013 at 12:24 PM ^
...as opposed to any fans who were willing to pay scalper prices, it would be relatively easy to promote a pro-Michigan audience:
- Sell out as much of the Stadium as possible to season ticket holders with preferences to alumni, Victors Club members, loyal ticket holders from the past, etc.
- Keep prices moderated, so that season ticket holders don't feel pressured to recoup portions of their cost by selling off marquee games like Notre Dame.
- End, as much as possible, the sales of single-game "dynamically priced" tickets.
- End any formal recognized resale program such as what we have on StubHub, which only encourages a free-trade market in which team loyalty is irrelevant and the only things that matter are supply and demand.
Do all of those things, and the Athletic Department could do more to create a "Michigan" house for important home games.
But none of these things is going to happen. Because the Athletic Department is under pressure -- increasing pressure -- to rake in more cash from the football cash cow.
September 6th, 2013 at 12:32 PM ^
That's why there are alternative markets like the ticket spreadsheet, and also why the alternative markets should be defended from the encroachment of profit-maximizers.
September 6th, 2013 at 1:22 PM ^
My proposal to promote a "more Michigan" crowd in Michigan Stadium isn't some weird new utopian proposal. It basically reflects the status quo within our Athletic Department for generations, before the advent of PSD's and e-sales.
September 6th, 2013 at 1:37 PM ^
Season ticket holders get first crack at single-game tickets before they go on sale to anyone else.
I disagree with you on #3. Because season ticket holders already get first crack at buying additional single game tickets, the lower those are priced, the easier it is to resell them. One of the reasons for the dynamic pricing the AD adopted as one of the measures to insure that the additional tickets bought by season ticket holders were for their own use.
September 6th, 2013 at 2:12 PM ^
My first and foremost notion is to sell the Stadium out, completely if possible, on a season-ticket basis. That places all tickets in the hands of faithful individuals. The issue as to whether single-game tickets are purchased by season ticket holders with a priority of some sort (people who already have tickets) or other outsiders is moot, if there aren't any single-game tickets to be had outside of season-ticket purchases.
September 6th, 2013 at 2:49 PM ^
Of the common man and kids being able to get into the games? Or just fans who can't make every single game for whatever reason (afforability, location, etc)? I'm not sure it would be a bad thing to have a season ticket sold out place, but you're making it a lot less egalitarian, which bothers a lot of people, and making it more for the well to do who can afford a whole season ticket package and license.
And lowing the price isn't going to stop people from selling their tickets, because a whole lot of people are simply not going to be able to make every game. Heck, even you aren't going to be there Saturday, and you're a lot more gung ho about attending than the average fan. And they can make even more profit selling those tickets, because you've made their cost cheaper, but upped the demand big time because all the tickets are sold out for every game to begin with. So the sell point skyrockets.
September 6th, 2013 at 8:07 PM ^
The sort of aftermarket that the University has promoted, with an association with StubHub, a Dynamic Ticket Pricing program, etc. It's the sort of free-market price pressure that is natural if not inevitable. So you got that part right.
But I think I mentioned, that I'd eliminate that free market -- after market -- to the extent possible. It may in fact be impossible, in the age of the internet; to stop aftermarket sales of tickets. (One way to do it might be to allow season ticket holders to return unused tickets, to the Athletic Department for resale; either for face value, or credit, or some tax deduction if possible. And the Athletic Department could find some equitable way of distributing/reselling them. Symphony Orchestras and Opera houses that sell lots of high-priced "season" tickets and packages do some of that.)
And to be clearer; my first post in this regard was simply addressing the earlier-stated concern about Michigan tickets going to non-Michigan fans on the open market. That was the single idea that prompted this idea; not some great imperative as to how to make more money or any of the things that really count in Michigan Athletics in the 21st century.
September 6th, 2013 at 12:38 PM ^
I have an extra student ticket that I am wanting to get rid of myself. I put down a price of 150 or best offer. I really didn't notice anything wrong with the spreadsheet although this is my first time using it so maybe I don't know what I am looking for.
September 6th, 2013 at 1:16 PM ^
September 6th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^
Not sure if they do as this is my first year using them. Maybe someone on the board can enlighten us?
September 6th, 2013 at 6:26 PM ^
September 6th, 2013 at 12:36 PM ^
I had tix for ND listed and now the listing says Akron. I have been checking the listing periodically, so this has happened very recently (prob. in the last 9 min or so). Strange.
September 6th, 2013 at 12:54 PM ^
The opposite happened to me. All my non-ND tickets were changed to ND. I would not trust what the spreadsheet says about any tickets
September 6th, 2013 at 12:45 PM ^
September 6th, 2013 at 1:14 PM ^
TCGoBlue... Please email me at a vinodc at gmail dot com I am interested in your notre dame tickets.
September 6th, 2013 at 12:59 PM ^
Yeah I got the email and don't know if the reply got out (no service in Costco). As I said there, not much I can do about it if the trolls attack there. Unfortunately bad humans exist.
We do have the MGoTicket Center button to the right -- that goes to Seatcrunch and there's tickets as low as $167 for corner end zone right now. The reason they exist is to not have to deal with the riff raff who might infest the google doc.
September 6th, 2013 at 2:40 PM ^
The reply made it, as you'll know by now. More troubling revelations in this thread, though, re: people manipulating others' listings. If you have a way to contact will, it might be worth doing, just in case he's willing to return to his previous system.
September 6th, 2013 at 1:59 PM ^
someone on spreadsheet back out on me. I have a pair section 9, row 13 at $200 if anyone is interested. joseph.groleau at gmail.com
September 6th, 2013 at 2:39 PM ^
Season ticket holder with a last minute conflict with daughter. Selling 2 tickets in Section 18 row 76 for $200 each. Email me at [email protected] if interested.
September 6th, 2013 at 3:36 PM ^
September 6th, 2013 at 3:40 PM ^