I miss posbangs that mean something, and moreso, negbangs into Bolivia.
MGoBoarders, the population of Bolivia is decreasing, and it's just not right.
I miss the ability to increase someone's point total for posting a timely, witty photo/caption of a cat with a surprised look on his face.
Not 55 minutes !! Jeez, these useless posbangs just don't provide the same incentive !!
There are still a number of things Brian hasn't rebuilt from the BURN ALL of 2011.
I'm sure he's had a ton of stuff to do too, but I'm starting to wonder a bit about the points. He's back to posting as regularly as before (when you take into account no football) and the site has been mostly running smoothly for the past sixty days or so, at least from a viewers perspective.
I wonder if he lost the program he used in the first place and has to redo it...that would explain the delay and the new +/- format.
I just think that if he could have had it done by now, he would have. The amount of snarky comments about an "imaginary" +1 or people "wishing I could send you to Bolivian" is (are?) huge these days; the readership obviously wants points back. At least using anecdotal evidence, that is.
The new +/- format is an upgrade to the plugin he used for points. My guess is that the plugin is only for individual comments and he had to write the SQL on the backend to accumulate the point totals for users. Last time he made an upgrade, it was a lot of things at once, so I'm guessing he is fixing the style and the functionality at the same time. Then, when everything is ready, he will make the upgrade.
Without knowing the actual database layout the point accumulation (or lack thereof) would just be something as simple as doing an update to T_Users (or whatever it's called) passing in the user ID and the amount of points added or subtracted.
My best guess is, like you implied, that everything will come in one nice happy MGoPatch as opposed to pushing little things here and there. It's easier that way and you can test the whole system in the development environment for errors all at once as opposed to releasing buggy stuff and trying to error trap each individual thing on the fly.
That's right microsoft, I'm looking at YOU.
MGoBlog is built on Drupal which is an opensource software program that configures the database while you use a GUI (graphical user interface) to construct your website. Drupal has thousands of modules (think extensions or apps) that offer new functionality - because of this I doubt there is much custom code within this site (other than theming.)
To me, it looks like Brian uses two modules to User Points and Vote Up/Down for MGoBlog's point system. If MGoBlog really uses Vote Up/Down this issue might explain why voting doesn't affect user points - when Brian upgraded to the newest version, it broke.
If I am right, someone with PHP and Drupal knowledge could port that patch to the 6.2 version of Vote Up/Down. I can help on the Drupal end but not the PHP end - it looks like garbage to me.
Took the words right outta my mouth.
I was almost warm for my explanation I guess; the points program is broken. I have no idea how tough it is to write programs like this; is this something that can be done in an evening, a weekend, a few weeks? Just more curious than anything, I think joeyb is probably right about waiting for everything to be back before we get goodies like pos/neg and the "new" flag.
which is a leap of faith because I have less than 150 points and we all know the size of your IQ is determined by your MGoPoint total - a decent programmer could probably fix it in a few hours. Both modules (programs) work as they should but the bridge between them has been blown to shit.
Thanks though, makes a lot of sense when you think about the way things have been working too (as it should).
Agreed. I really like seeing the number of up and down votes as opposed to an abstract total.
HTTV '11. That's what he's doing right now.
And, what is HTTV?
A most fantastic preview magazine that you must buy.
I think you all care about your MGoPoints a little too much.
You can have mine.
It's about more than point totals. This needs the recognition it deserves.
It's about applauding those that make well thought out points (or, more likely, post hilarious, well timed pictures)
It's also about punshing the trolls, and an incentive to justify why you negged.
It's the old management aphorism: What gets rewarded gets repeated; what gets punished gets avoided. Via the current point system, the only thing tangibly rewarded is new posts. Quality of content is effectively neutral.
There is something to be said for the "shame" of being shotgunned with shadow negs; over time there is a de facto ostracism of those whose contributions are dung--which serves a similar purpose as banishment into exile. However, those whose participation is intermittent don't get the immediate pre-judgment of those whom the MGoCommunity has relegated to perdition because of their persistent slouch toward Bolivia.
No one wants sloppy MgoPoint seconds.
On a positive note, avatar uploads are back!
IT'S ALL THE SAME POSE !!
I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS !!
That Hansel is so HOT right now.
H- "So I'm rappelling down Mount Vesuvius when suddenly I slip, and I start to fall. Just falling, ahh ahh, I'll never forget the terror. When suddenly I realize "Holy shit, Hansel, haven't you been smoking Peyote for six straight days, and couldn't some of this maybe be in your head?"
H- "And it was. I was totally fine. I've never even been to Mount Vesuvius."
I totally agree with you...but how do you feel about male models?
How about a "Good afternoon Derek and Hansel. Thanks for the freak fest last night"?
I didn't. Why, did someone post apropos quotes from it?
The biggest reason they should be brought back is to keep trolls under control. That, and to allow quality newcomers to rapidly get up to 100 points so they can start threads. Beyond that, I think they should just cap the total at 1,000 or whatever. There's no point in having the totals infinitely increase.
By that I mean getting negged for negging.
PS... Negged for having over 1,000 points.
But how is one to take over the world without infinite amount of MGoPoints?
I had forgotten about negging costing the negger points. That was a pretty good idea.
I'd like to see a requirement that a neg couldn't be done without a reply post.
I still see negging as having a chilling effect upon saying what you really think, which in my mind is very different from saying something stupid. I am thinking about what went down with the CC.
Negged for sucking.
If you replied, the point gained for the reply would counter the point lost for negging. That seemed to work fine. Threads would be a disaster if a comment truly deserved 100 negs and each neg required a response simply to call the poster a trolling jacktard.
But a good portion of the time, the big negbangs happen with the trolls.
We shouldn't be forced to comment on why something like "hoo curs aboutttt gurls sportz they should be in kitchen" is a stupid, trollish comment. I agree in principle that most of the time people should justify their negs, but stupid or trollish comments make up a majority of the negs, IMO. And the people who neg for no reason other than disagreement on an opinion are just assholes anyway.
Yea I hate that. Unless someone says something of an epically stupid nature, or is just trolling, I usually don't neg. So far today I've negged one post and yesterday it was either one or two; I don't really understand the serial neggers.
Or the people who neg every single thing you say because they disagreed with you once.
My favorite is when you go into a new thread with about 5 responses all disagreeing with the OP and each one of them got negged exactly once. It's like "I see what you did there..."
My least favorite is the amount of dumb shit that's gone on since people lost all fear of losing points. In the last week we've had a thread started calling a poster names, insults to "Walmart Wolverines" and people saying that RR defending Tressel like Hoke did proves he wasn't a "good fit" for the job here. At least when I could neg I felt like I was helping get rid of these people or at least the dumb comments.
Or, conversly, look at people like FlyRy(7? I think...). He shouldv'e been posbanged without consent for his Mattison quotes, but we haven't been able to do that either.
Negged for the hell of it.
Which reminds me, I do miss a good neg-bang thread.
Negged for missing neg-bang threads.
Negged for owning up to it.
And this is how they begin, but it just doesn't have the hilarious appeal when the negs don't mean anything.
Negged for feeling the need to explain.
But yea, it's just not nearly as fun.
Negged for trying to start a neg fight.
I still like it. It's like playing laser tag or something.
Negged for playing laser tag.
But if you did that, then every troll who got negbanged would get a bunch of responses that would derail a thread, which is exactly what they want.
I actually agree with you. Posbangs are nice and fun, but from a community functioning standpoint, negs are actually useful. Plus, if someone with, say, 31000+ points (just to pull a number out of nowhere) needs a good negbanging for some odd reason, that's a lot of banging to get to Bolivia.
Everyone (myself included) should still have accountability. If we can't get more than 1,000 points, negbangs can potentially matter. They also would mean that can't just dish them out willy-nilly.
If you have a large point total, you've proven yourself to be a good poster. You should be encouraged to make your point toal even more insane.
In general that's true, but I can think of a couple high-point posters who've gone through meltdowns, and negbangs could not do much to rein them in.
Isn't that also a Mod responsibility, to rein them in?
There were also some high-point posters who got docked into the negative range because the mods saw how ridiculous they were being. I don't really see that as a big issue.
I never had as many points as some, but I did get hammered pretty hard for some inappropriate jokes.
Maybe - a large point poster may have proven themself to be a frequent poster, which I differentiate from a poster who writes something of substance and not merely a "true that",
Or have negs scale with the amount of MGoPoints someone has.
1,999 and under, negs count as -1.
2,999-2,000, negs count as -2.
3,999-3000, negs count as -3.
4,999-4000, negs count as -4.
The list goes on. If someone has 31,000 points, negs would count as -31.
And if you neg someone, you get negged for the amount of points you have on the same scale as above. So if you neg someone with 19,000 points while you have 3,000 points, they get negged for -19 points, and you get negged for -3 points. This way, it's a fair system for everyone, no matter the amount of MGoPoints you have.
That was the door prize for people who hit 30,000. Did you not get your prize? Hmmm...sucks to be you.
I believe Raback got her for his call that Demar Dorsey was choosing Michigan the next day.
He was BKFinest before there was a BKFinest... you know, if BKFinest had been right.
Before all the weird plastic surgery.
Why don't we just move mgoblog over to Reddit? We can make a sub-reddit for Michigan sports. They have the good upvote/downvote/karma system.
Let's move it back to Haloscan.
I do miss Haloscan.
I miss Haloscan because it was more discrete to read at work. And the handlejacking produced humorous results.
my favorite part of Haloscan -- the witty and well-timed handlejacked posts often made me laugh. It was absurdly comical commenting anarchy.
That's the sort of environment that you lose when a site gets as big as MGoBlog has. There's plenty of good with the growth, too, but some days I do miss the fun of the smaller community.
I miss the red NEW box more than the points-I hate looking through threads that I've read trying to decipher when someone just commented.
This is the one feature that I would like to make an illustrious comeback.
100% agree. Plus, I'm one of those posters that everyone else hates/laughs at for using the frontpage as my primary means of looking at and following the board. So I usually don't see the "X new" and "Last Post" things on the actual board page.
I agree full heartedly, as you can see by the post, I have lost incentive to post well timed, witty photos ... I want MOOARRR POIIINTS....
Need. Moar. Points...
It's all your fault.
I could tweak the ultra-mgoboard to make it look like everyone's points are increasing every time you posbang them... would that make you feel better for the time being?
That would be awesommmeeeessss!!!
And can you get the NEWW!!!! red box back?
GIMME BACK MY
Brian is getting complacent. He thinks we'll blindly stay by and provide pageviews. Let's rebel -- it's all the rage in 2011!