Step up...are you Blue or not? I don't think going on WTKA and being a naysayer is the way to go. How will Brady Hoke turn out? None of us know. But speak of Hope, not the negative.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Yeah, kind of a whiny bitch today, maybe Magnus infested his body for the morning show?
I didn't hear it but without further ado, once again:
There we go again...uniqenam calling people names and tossing out insults for no reason.
Would you two just kiss already?!
Can't you see that you're in love with each other, and it's tearing this board apart!
First thing that comes to mind on this post is
In my head, I read it as a mix of that Seinfeld clip and this:
Blogger who should keep his job: Magnus
Blogger who should get pink slipped: Brian Cook who has been taken over by the spirit of Magnus
See, I think that would have been funnier than a simple insult.
Oh, wait, there are no podcasts anymore....nevermind.
We'll see. I'm not too worried. He tore me up several weeks ago and I bear no grudge. He shouldnt just because I'm telling him he has poopey pants on the Hoke hire.
Disappointed the podcasts went by the wayside, but MGoPaul moved to Chica-go-go and we lost our In to set these up at our convenience.
I am hopeful we bring them back. My off season goal is to cajole Brian into doing these again. People like them. A lot. I got feedback most of the season from people wondering where the podcasts were.
But, its not just me. I want Brian to do the podcasts for the blog. Forget me as a guest. How about TomVH, Mathlete, Magnus, Dylan....I could go on and on. I think the community would totally dig hearing those guys on a podcast......I'd even offer to let Tim and I host it and he doesnt have to do a thing.
So, that's going to be my offseason pitch the fearless leader.
I wasn't really that serious. I just find it funny that even his confidantes are even telling him he's wrong, but he's got his arms crossed and lower lip up and is digging in his heels. I know you're too laid back to be really broken up about it either way, though they are enjoyable. (Though I think we're missing a great story on how he tore you up a few weeks ago).
Hey - man you talkin' back to me?
Take him out
You gotta keep 'em separated
Hey - man you disrespecting me?
Take him out
You gotta keep 'em separated
Hey they don't pay no mind
If you're under 18 you won't be doing any time
Hey come out and play
It was right here on the blog. I got on TomVH's case for some of his tweets during the Wisco game, especially getting on Gallon's case while he was hurt.
Brian let me have it, for letting TomVH have it.
I dont think anybody involved really cared a day later. We all overreacted. On the Internet. Who knew you could overreact on the intertubes?
went from a community for discussion and discourse to a place where negative opinions are criticized. I fully support Brian and his right to say what he feels.
Were you here when anyone who dared criticize RR was shouted down and negbombed? I remember people being told that criticizing RR was akin to not being "all in." I also remember people rightly saying "recruits read this stuff, so show support." Well, if that is true, where is the excitement and support now?
Getting on the radio and acting like a whiny baby about Hoke - spreading more negativity - is NOT going to help Hoke fill out this recruiting class.
Come on, Brian.
I will agree with you, and I think that Brian needs to show support. But by coming on here and tearing Brian and Hoke up, it is not solving anything. I'm not attacking you I am just saying that we all need to get behind Hoke and the program.
I agree that BC needs to give it a rest, but I wouldn't worry too much about Hoke not getting the support he needs to succeed. I'd say it's pretty clear there will be no shortage of support from media and former players for Hoke.
"Well, if that is true, where is the excitement and support now? "
I guess the same place it was then. You have two sides, the before whiney bitchy side and the now whiney bitchy side. There is little difference outside of the rational they use, facts as backed up by numbers vs. nebulous "feelings" backed up by player intros on MNF...
Everyone needs to quit bitching at each other and go back to discussing UM football as they see fit.
It's alright to be a little unhappy about the hire, but not supporting Hoke fully is REALLY going to turn us into Notre Dame. Hoke is our coach. It's not like bitching on the radio or on a message board is going to make Brandon suddenly realize he should have gotten Paterson. It's over. If you are a true fan, then support your coach and support your football team.
I support Hoke now that he is our coach. I didn't like the idea at first but I have accepted it. I agree with you though, people are entitled to their own opinions and others should just let it go. It's fine to comment on someone's opinion but no reason to attack them.
that mgoblog is a place to tell OPs that "your idea has already been posted."
Seriously though, we've heard Brian's comments many times and we know that he doen't like the hire. But it's getting old and he's starting to sound like a spoiled child that didn't get his way. It's time to move forward and support the coach. Especially when you're on the Ticket, where most of them despise Michigan anyway.
WTKA =/= 97.1
To me it seems that mgoblog is a place to tell OPs that "your idea has already been posted."
+1. Truth. The Michigan "superiority complex" is alive and well here on mgoboard.
Agreed. All Brian has done throughout the existence of this blog is to give us all information, smart analysis, and then a logical opinion based on that information and analysis. And I for one appreciate that consistency and inteligence. People who criticize Brian for this probably never went to Michigan.
I went to Michigan. And I think he needs to get over it.
That banner has been up about 48 hours too long, and based on his comments this morning, I don't think Brian is inclined to change it.
And I think that's a problem.
you're dead wrong. I got my PhD from Michigan.
THIS IS BRIANS BLOG. He is giving his analysis (backed up with facts). Let it go. If everyone agreed with decisions made by people in power the pilgrims would still be living in effing England! (BOOM Mayflower reference'd). Opinions are ok!
I completely disagree with his attitude...but, if people have a real problem with it, don't come to the site.
People are saying that they don't want to leave the site, because they enjoy it. But if this is going to be the "new site", tell us up front, and then maybe a lot of people will leave. That is Brian's choice, a business decision. But as the "customer" we're trying to let him know how we feel BEFORE anyone feels they have to leave.
Like the avatar, too.
MGoBlog has become the preeminent Michigan blog, even a preeminent CFB blog. With that comes some responsibility, and yes some burden.
If he wants it to be "It's my blog I'll act anyway I want, go fuck yourself, i'm too cool for you anyway", then that's his decision. If he wants it to remain the preeminent Michigan blog, then that's his choice too.
At this point however, MGoBlog has progressed too far for him to have it both ways.
Once again, it's his decision. I just wish he'd let us know what his choice is, in case we need to go shopping for a site that does not become just some guy's personal rant.
Star Wars are George Lucas' movies doesn't mean I can't bitch about him ruining them. Not that Brian's pouty response to the Hoke hire is ruining the site- it's just gone on a little too long at this point.
He is giving his analysis (backed up with cherry-picked facts and personal prejudice).
Fixed it. Brian's entitled to his opinion, all right, but he can never again rant at the media for "lazy analysis" after the way he's viewed the Hoke hire. His "Hoke clearly hates the spread" rant a few days ago was Bleacher Report-esque. The fact that Hoke ran a spread offense at Ball State conveniently never made it into the article.
is happening to the MgoBoard?
It is now officially the MGoBored. everyone feels the need to toss their opinion out there even if it is identical to the last post/thread because they have nothing better to do.
If you have something new and interesting to say, great. If not, STFU.
why this thread even had to be created is beyond me. The original thread is only four below it on the list. No need to have another thread on the same damn thing.
Where was all of this when people were constantly badmouthing Rodriguez for 3 years?
But it goes to show you the power that the alumni (especially the player alumni) has in a program. If there was a significant fraction badmouthing the guy, then maybe he should go for the good of the program. We probably don't want to say F-you to the folks who made the program what it is.
I agree that things like having the banner depict Brady Hoke and doom are in poor taste, don't show any support, and is a little irrational.
But the situation now versus when Rodriguez was here is completely different. Since day one the media depicted RichRod as the devil incarnate and Brian was rightfully trying to bring us back to reality instead of bashing RichRod because it was the thing to do. This was an outsider coming into Michigan and he needed all the support he could get in order to succeed.
With Hoke, the media is already painting him as the darling of Ann Arbor and gushing about the hire. Brian, again is trying to bring some perspective to it and remind us that just because he's a Michigan Man it does seem we are just trying to go back to exactly what we were trying to get away from at the end of the Carr era.
I agree that maybe he's been a little irrationally too negative, though. I support Hoke and think he will do well, but I fully understand Brian's concern that we are going to go back to being a perpetual 9-3 team that never quite breaks through.
The "national" coaching search was a farce, Hoke was chosen because of where he coached more than how he coached, who he knew more than what he knew, the media is swooning over Hoke like schoolgirls, we're back to the waggle being our trick play, if we were going to do this anyway why not do it in November? etc. etc. etc.
But there is a constructive way to express all of that. And I don't automatically think that people who disagree with me are sell-outs.
You may not like the pilot of the plane you are about to fly on and you may wonder how he even got the job, but once the door is closed and the thing takes off, you've got to root for the guy to suceed.
-10,000 for being emo and whiney.
See what I did there?
good to see your MGoSoul has been recovering nicely these past Fu days.
Today, I saw a slave become more powerful than the emperor of Rome
/ok not really
I think Brian is welcome to have whatever opinion he wants, but he must also show his support for the team.
Its an open forum. Everyone, including Brian, has the right to give their opinion. Telling people that they need to agree with Brian or that they can't criticize Brian is a joke. If people didn't offer countering viewpoints, then everyone would just agree with each other all the time. Is that what anyone wants?
"It's my website and I'll do with it as I please. If you don't like it, then GTFO."
At least we'll know what we are getting and where we stand.
I hope it's not coming to that.
Get the fuck up?
Also, while it is his website, it's also his career. His current career direction is not a particularly wise one, purely in my opinion.
The process was an exercise in cronyism and lack of foresight. Brian is right to be pissed. Hoke may be a good coach, but he was far from the most qualified out there. Just because Brian is critical of the situation now doesn't mean he won't be supportive of the coach/team.
yes, in a vacuum. however, the Rodriguez experiment proved that a DA DA DA "MICHIGAN MAN" needs the job, right now.... because who the hell would want this job after Rodriguez got splattered all over town? I'm still picking pieces of Rodriguez out of my hair after this whole debacle....but seriously I think Brandon played it safe because he realized Numero Uno is unite the fan base again before anything fantastic starts happening. Hire another outsider would've been hard to justify to everyone who just contributed to tearing RR a new asshole.
I just hope the precedent this sets isn't that the best coaches will never want to coach for Michigan because of what has recently transpired. I personally find RR as guilty as anyone else for the divorce of this marriage but I know many across the country don't read it that way.
Hoke better win 5 MNC and go 10-0 against OSU or else.
and FYI, I voted for Eisenhower......in 2008.
You desperately need to learn where the edit button is
cronyism occurred under RR if you remember. Some of those coaches should have been fired but weren't.
Brian has the right to his opinion, but if you say that the media didn't support RR from the start, but then for him to do nothing but downplay Hoke and his Pro-style offense (potentially-we don't know for sure what will be run), then he is no better then some of those very same journalists
You're right, cronyism (i.e. hiring GERG) was quite damaging to the team's success. That would seem like less of a reason to repeat the same philosphy again. One thing I will give Brian and his criticism of the new coach and his style is that it is consistent with Brian's opinions on offense. He's been a very vocal supporter of the spread system which was just kicked to the curb for a style we initially wanted to move away from with the RR hire 3 years ago. This is a little different from the MSM hating on RR because he's not a "Michigan Man".
You seem to misunderstand the word cronyism if you think the GERG hiring qualifies.
Wasn't talking about GERG. Talking about Gibson and Dews in particular. Coaches that should have been fired or replaced based on the results on the field. Braithwaite is another example, although that can be forgiven based on the circumstances
Hoke may be a good coach, but he was far from the most qualified out there.
You state this and others have stated this, and I have mostly agreed with this sentiment. However, I am humble to the fact that none of us have the level of insight into Hoke's actual qualifications beyond looking at his W/L record and his resume of coaching gigs. None of us have actually sat down with him and interviewed him to hear his thoughts on the program.
We are slaves to the information provided (mostly) by the MSM. We know how lazy/limited they are in terms of ability to gather information, so why should we conclude that Harbaugh or Miles were in deed better or even preferred candidates? I was definitely hoping for Harbaugh and think he would've been a better hire. However, his chief merit is (1) that he's a Michigan legend and (2) the fact that his team, led by the best pro style QB I have seen at the college level since Peyton Manning, had one good and one great season. Harbaugh might have left Michigan for the NFL after a few seasons.
I would definitely have preferred Harbaugh, don't get me wrong, but we just don't have enough information about the different candidates' motives, attitudes and skill sets to make informed judgements on who would have done the best job for us in the long term. I don't mean to defend Brandon, he may have done a horrible job in this, I just mean that even those who have analysed the process in depth have done so with only 40-50% of the information available to them that the search team had. At best.
Coaches are generally hired based on name recognition and short term results, over which they have somewhere between 20 and 40% influence. How many more games would we have won over the last 3 years with Prior at QB, Woolfolk healthy this year and a top rated kicker who lived up to his recruiting hype (yes, Gibbons was highly rated)? 3 more games? 4? These 3 scenarios were all highly likely that didn't pan out. There are probably 10 more like this (defensive recruits that went elsewhere, etc) that were 50/50 situations that may or may not have affected our win/loss record. A coach who was a great success in one situation can do a better job elsewhere and produce worse results - mind you I'm not saying this is the case with Coach Rod.
My point is that Brady Hoke may be the fallback option after Miles and Harbaugh turned us down and a lazy alternative to hiring an up and coming coordinator from outside the program. Or Brady Hoke may be the overall best (or second best) option in the whole coaching world, because his love for the university is more important than any shortcomings he may have in terms of Urban Meyeresque achievements.
Let's hope it's the latter, but we just don't know. Yet.
you make very good points. I'll give Hoke a chance, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Obviuosly there are a lot of people who like him and there has to be a reason for that beyond the fact that he was an assistant at one point.
I, for one, am glad Brian is around to temper the mostly baseless optimism surrounding Hoke. Sure, Hoke seems like a great guy and a Michigan man, and thats good. But thus far he has shown to be a mediocre coach.
Brian is an engineer. He bases his analysis off of statistics and facts. If you want a bunch of rah-rah, go read the Detroit News or the Freep or any other of the MSM outlets. As for me, I'll keep coming here for what brought me here in the first place: reasoned, rational analysis. In this instance it's mostly negative, because that's what the facts are.
The only quibble I have with Brian is that our last hire happened to be the hot name/dream hire, and that didn't work so well. Granted I think he deserved another year to prove what he was doing was working, but that's in the past now I suppose.
I support Brady Hoke and Michigan football, and will continue to do so. But it's no good running around with your head in the clouds, ignoring the data we have available to us.
Brian loves himself a chart, but in reality, he's been cherry picking data for years to skew it to his opinions. We can hear all about "past record" and stuff, but he's ignored OUR past record for 3 years, and loves him some yardage stats, but ignores things like points, defense, and oh, special teams. Many of his statistical conclusions haven't come to bear year after year (his view on "turnovers" seems to change on a yearly basis). With all these wrong conclusions, either he wasn't a very good engineer, or he's only looking at the number that support his already predisposed viewpoint.
on his WTKA segment this morning was his response to a caller saying "well, facts and reason are on my side." Granted, fielding so much criticism is no small task...however, I take issue with that statement for the very same reasons you ring up. There are a billion facts and stats to describe college football, and you can often take many of the same facts and come up with polar opposite conclusions. To say that facts are all on his side is overblown and basically not true.
That's why guys like Hoke and not engineers or statisticians are football coaches.
I remember when nostalgia was so much better. If only we could go back to those times.
I will not bash Brian for having an opinion, and I felt like he tried to keep it civil an about stats vs. personal attacks on Hoke. That being said, I hated hearing the negativity. Leave it to the Freep and the tools at 97.1 to bash the coach and the program. I understand he doesn't like pro style offense and thinks the spread is the offense of the future, but I would argue that the tri champions of the Big Ten this year would disagree. I hope Brian tries to point out the positives in the future instead of the negatives.
2 of the 3 champions lost their bowl games
Wisconsin may have lost, but it was a close game and they are as MANBALL as it gets around these parts. They put up a solid game against one of the strongest spread teams in the nation.
a non AQ spread team who is never in the top 25 in recruiting
I stand corrected. It is much better to finish in the bottom half of the Big Ten than to be a Big Ten champ and lose a bowl game. Thanks for your input.
was him saying "we need a decided schematic advantage to win, because we're not a recruiting powerhouse". The latter might be true, but the former isn't necessarily true. We need a good coaching staff to win games (notice how i said STAFF, as in, more than just a head coach). Jim Harbaugh and his great staff were 12-1 at STANFORD! DId they have a decided schematic advantage?
Hoke is a relative unknown with regard to recruiting. He's already got a good handicap because former players and alum support him. Unfair to RR, yes, but that's over and done with...the last thing we need is for players and alums tobe angry with another HC job hire. So how good will Hoke be? WHo knows? Past recruiting classes at Ball State and SDSU are...inconclusive. He was middle of the pack, but middle of the pack at BALL STATE might translate in a good way to Michigan. He said he almost got Mike Martin. I'm not sure how true that was...but damn, if he almost got Mike Martin to go from Michigan to SDSU, that's a positive indication of Hoke.
I'm not saying Brian isn't entitled to his views, or that we should all think Hoke is the coolest thing since sliced bread. But he needs to take it easy with his overwhelming negativity at this point, so early on in a new coach's regime. Or else this will truly become the "anti-RR" scenario.
So Hoke was a middle of the pack recruiting in his previous two so that means he'll RULEZ at recruiting in the big ten. If he couldn't beat his peers then, why will he now? And he said that he recruited Mike Martin NOT that he was close to getting him. After RR was hired, Martin flirted with going to ND and not BSU
Brian has email, next time you have a message for him, click the "Contact" button at the top.
Browser froze - double post.
Over this last week, I’ve honestly been disappointed in all the criticism of Brian, on here and on the radio. I know he doesn’t need us to defend him, he’s a big boy. But, he has created this place for us to passionately discuss Michigan athletics, a place where we can all have our opinions.
Why is it wrong for him to have his opinion? He gives it and backs it up with facts and just because he’s not towing the company line, he gets criticized. It’s OK to be skeptical, it’s OK to reserve judgement. Just because you don’t down the Kool-Aid doesn’t mean you don’t still bleed maize and blue. It’s not black and white – there is a lot of grey here.
Super point. The only thing that troubled me about this awesome resource is when Rich was coach, and people started to question what was happening from the Michigan State game on, they were treated like they were less intelligent. The evidence was all over our TV screen for most of the rest of the season.
Those sorts of attacks were ego based partisanship gone really really wrong.
People who are very supportive of the new coach, should be mindful of that danger going forward. This is definitely a case where reasonable minds can differ and there is a lot of grey. Especially until all the evidence is in when we see the team play for a couple years.
As much as I don't agree with a lot of what Brian is saying about our condemnation to occassional regional player, he has a lot of intelligence and knows the game really well. His position isn't without reasonable basis.
Love that Brian is getting called out for this. Did anyone think we would end up here? No. Did anyone really want Hoke over Harbaugh? No. But we got Hoke, he loves the school, he's going to work hard. Let's support Hoke, not trash him constantly on one of our biggest blogs.
As coach Hoke puts it "How dare us divide what Michigan football is".
Well Brian's site works because the fan base agrees with him. If he starts turning into Drew Sharp with facts, people are going to stop listening.
Disagree. Brian's site works because he gives us the facts. Period. Sometimes they make us happy. Right now they're making us sad. Brian gives us the most objective view of Michigan Football, in my opinion. Unlike the MSM, he isn't concerned with how much access the coach gives us or whose feelings got hurt at the presser or if the coach is a "Michigan Man" any of the other mindless blither they're usually concerned about.
If Drew Sharp actually gave facts with his opinions, people might actually read him. I say if people don't like the facts, then stop reading and head on over Drew Sharp's way. I think Brian would agree.
This is an interesting moment for this site. For the first time that I can remember, Brian, right or wrong, is seriously risking alienating a lot of his readers. There's an opportunity here for another site to emerge, though mgoblog has set a high bar with elements like Tom's contributions, some of the mathlete-type work, etc.
So you are criticizing Brian because he is giving his honest opinion? You are right we don't know what is going to happen so instead of you know using the facts we have and making an educated guess he should just anoint Hoke the savior of Michigan? Look everyone here wants Hoke to succeed but if Brian is going to go on a radio show and talk about the new coach I would be really disappointed if he didn't give his actual opinion.
is that the attention has shifted from analysis of the team with clever commentary and more into opinion. as such, i feel like the front page content has become less about what happened and more about what Brian thinks should have happened. you can like that or dislike it but it's becoming less of a blog about Michigan and more of a blog about what Brian thinks about Michigan.
I think Brian's been rather open about his belief that the bowl game necessitated RR's firing.
I think you are trapped in what I call "IstillhateRRbubble". You need to let it go.
I check this blog religiously. Like about 10 times a day. I love the analysis, the summaries, the previews, the recruiting info and the inside scoop from Brian and the other mods. As for Brian's opinion, I don't mind that it is included and adds to the flavor.
But, I agree 100% with Geaux_Blue that lately this has become an opinion blog and not an info blog. Personally, and not an attack on Brian (as I am obviously still coming here) I find the front page less interesting than the comments lately. I hope that after this final day of temper tantrum, Brian returns to his former self.
Come back, Brian. We need you.
Fantastic Post, Geaux
But isn't that what happens in the off-season, especially during a coaching change? As you said, Brian is reflecting back on what happened, what he wished happened, and now what he thinks the future holds.
There really isn't any data left to analyze, so the rest is just speculation and opinions. Sure we can reinterpret the data and statistics, but we'll just be recycling the same statements over and over.
There is actually new data to analyze, but the time frame of a coaching search is too constricted to allow it to be completed, especially as Brian's writing time became consumed by serving as a clearinghouse for the rumors of various "insiders" and in processing the status of recruits. Extensive data breakdowns and analysis of the coaching styles of the various candidates would likely be illuminating, but it seems clear that the time frame of a coaching search doesn't allow the kind of in depth statistical and in-game analysis that sets this blog apart from almost any other. In the short run, a shorthand analysis of the candidates takes over. (ie Hoke = manball crony).
As time allows, I'm sure Brian and others will get to more in depth analysis of coaching tendencies, etc. Now, that's certainly not guaranteed to change his (or anyone else's) opinion of Hoke or his staff, but it will almost certainly make it more nuanced.
He's entitled to it. He's entitled to post whatever he wants on his site, and we are entitled to criticize him and bring up our own opinions. He wants and encourages that because it's good for debate, and it's good for business.
Brian brought up valid points on WTKA, but he is also being countered by some good ones.
Bottom line is, as he admitted, time will tell and everything right now is speculation.
Brian will inevitably embrace Hokemania and voice his support...today is not that day. Tomorrow isn't looking all that good either
shouldn't ever coach Michigan thing when he created his first list of potential RR replacements. It would be hard for him to do a 180, at least without ever seeing a practice/ game.
Maybe he can move into the healthy skeptic bucket?
In the event you decide to take the drastic measure of boycotting the games this fall, can I get the first shot at your tickets? Price is certainly negotiable. Let me know.
True Blue fan
P.S. I am/was a RR supporter and believe he will win wherever he goes, given the time and support needed. I also have come to the realization that what is done is done, and it is time for us to turn the page. Otherwise, we are part of the problem. This may seem odd, but favorite quote from the presser was, "And how unfair of us to divide what Michigan is." It's not fair to Coach Hoke to act in a divsive manner, just as it wasn't fair when it happened during Coach Rodriguez's tenure. I love Michigan and will support Michigan. I respect your right to state your opinion, but at some point and in some manner it will hamper progress. Go Blue!
Chill out people. It's been two days. I'm sure by the time the season starts he's going to be fully behind Hoke. Not agreeing with the hire =/= not supporting the coach. For the next few days, Brian is entitled to say that the process was arbitrarily limited and that Michigan should have gotten a coach with a higher probability of success. I would expect, after a week or two, not to hear criticism of Hoke's resume again, unless Michigan loses 4-6 games a year over the next three years. Then he'll have the right to say "I told you so."
about RR being let go due to what I think is poor support from the "Michigan Men", but I do think he need to be let go...the situation was too toxic for him to continue. I am not happy about Brady Hoke being our new coach. But first and foremost, I want the program to succeed and because of that I will support Brady. He is now the head coach of the Michigan football program, so just like RR, Lloyd, Mo, Bo, etc....he has my support.
You go on Brian's blog and call him out for being skeptical of the hire based on the data at hand?
For everyone accusing Brian of being "whiny", you sure do whine a lot.
I had no idea data came with such unbelievable snarkiness. Not like Brian put any words around that data. Or interpreted it or anything.
Brian Cook is acting a lot like Drew Sharp... I wonder if Brian realizes that recruits are all over the web looking at the biggest and best UM blog in the country stating that Brady Hoke hire is doom. Brian is allowed to have his opinion as are the Freep writers but calling a hire doom just because he wasnt a brand name does not make any sense. Also UM needs a schematic advantage over everyone because they are playing second fiddle in recruiting? Come on its Michigan! Also lets make it known that recruiting rankings are flawed and even if you consistently have the number one recruiting class in the country, it is up to the coach to make them better. If there is no player development then the program will not reap the rewards of the so called high recruiting rankings.
Just look at Wisconsin. They never have a class rated as highly as Michigan's, yet they consistently compete effectively in the Big Ten, and also seem to be able to beat Ohio State about half the time. Someone on the coaching staff must be doing something right, and I don't think it is offensive "scheeming."
In fact, what Wisconsin is doing is anti "scheeming". As more and more teams move towards the spread, the more defenses adapt. As a result, offenses like Wisconsin's and Stanford's can be very successful. Ohio State has this problem. The OSU defense has fully adapted to defend the spread, but what gives them trouble is MANBALL. I also think you see it with Big 12 defenses, which all need to stop the spread. When paired up against physical running teams like Illinois and Iowa, they had issues.
Point is, this year's MANBALL is next year's spread n' shread (and vice versa).
Brian=Sharp. Your logic needs work. That is all. I am refraining from calling you an asshole even though I think it.
IS IT JUST ME OR IS THE DAY-SHIFT AROUND HERE WAY MORE CROTCHETY???
you guys should show up around 1-2 am. This place is fucking kegger party.
Go Blue! Not Go Rich Rod. Not Go Harbaugh. Not Go Hoke. Not Go Bo! But, Go Blue!
Yes clearly Brian does not give a damn about anything but Rich Rodriguez. Shit.
Rich Rod is gone. Its over. He had his chance and he blew it.
what is this crap.
for not wanting people to hate on RR some pepole are really hating on Hoke.
Dude what?!? Criticising the hire is not submarining the program.
Is there a clean up crew around here? Clean up in aisle 6.
Brian has never personally attacked Hoke. He's said that Hoke is a great guy. He has tried to accentuate the positive even though in Brian's opinion Hoke was the last option.
Brian's criticism was more about the decision-making process leading to the hire. He also has a philosophical disagreement with the direction of the offense. Brian has not said that Hoke should be fired. I have no doubt Brian will be rooting for our team next fall.
I go to this site for insight and analysis, not for some inspirational and mindless "let's go blue" propaganda (well, I do like that sometimes I guess).
On some of the humor that's been used on the site, including the banner, people have to realize that none of it is serious. Brian is an M fan like the rest of us, and for us, making fun of the program (in a humorous way) is a form of self-deprecation. Time to relax on that front.
I think D.B./B.H. regime is going to be "Get on the Train or get Thrown on the Tracks". Good or bad, former players endorsed him so hence the organization in unified. Fans can complain but what they/we say doesn't matter. For the record I was a "JH guy" so now I'm in the "BH is the less sexy version of JH" guy and UM will be fine. M's O might take a step back but they also might have a longer T.O.P. and that alone will help the D. A the D getting Floyd/Woolfolk back is enough to make me happy regardless of scheme. Let us wait to see how M finishes recruiting before guys start jumping off the ledge.
Judas Priest you all sound like a bunch of fucking babies. Bring back the Lloyd Brady photoshop thread to improve morale around here.
We need a meeting between Hoke and Brian and someone one on hand to snap the picture of the handshake with Brian cheesing like Denard...
I love/ed RR and his offense! I even argued with my kids principal (a WVU alumn and husband coached the secondary under Nehlan) who said, "Aren't you glad their going to fire Rich Rod"? It was a school day with kids around and I put her in her place...but just like "facts are facts", Brian, RR just didn't pan out against the big boyz and we struggled against teams like IU and Illinois. It was time for a change and it just seems like you're bitter that we didn't get your hire, I understand. I was a Les Miles supporter...and felt a deep pain when we didn't get him (again). I even felt another "sting" when he did an interview with College Football Live yesterday and sounded like he was about to cry that he wasn't offered.
But...life goes on! Brian, we bleed maize and blue! We don't want to root for another university or team. Our kids know the victors and look forward to enrolling even though their still in diapers. These past 3 years have been the roughest years of our fandom and our heads have been hanging quite low for sometime. We are all hurting because we are not accustomed to losing...well, at least losing like this. This is the time to be more united than ever. Give this ball coach a chance and support Michigan even more! I don't give a damn who agrees with this saying or not...THIS IS MICHIGAN! We will return (however you define that) and we will be fine. I don't care about Oregon, USC, Stanford, whatever the hell is going on at Auburn, SEC, Big 12, yada, yada, yada...I only care about Michigan! So, we got your point and you have made those points clear on this blog and on the radio....NOW IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON
Brian spends more time than anyone here analyzing and writing about the program. He knows what is going on. In all probability, his opinion is much more educated than that of the OP, and those of 99 percent of those who are so relieved that RR is gone. And he has the right to experess his opinion on the radio.
I would have gotten sick of callers like the last one, who said,"Brady Hoke gets it," as if RR didn't. Those who are happy for Hoke should learn some balance from Brian; they should celebrate Hoke without trashing RR.
I will support Hoke for four years, but I am also concerned with the direction of the program, because I don't want to see Carr-tel, v2. Brian is correct that a return to the "good old days" will guarantee that Michigan always disappoints us in BCS bowls, just like they did almost every year except one under Carr.
I think Brian is doing a good job of balancing his concerns without trying to run Hoke out of town on a rail, as was pretty much done to RR.
It's like the '00's meme: "don't hate the player, hate the game." I am pretty much the same way. I don't like the game Brandon played and continues to play, but I am not going to take it out on Brady Hoke. And I don't think Brian is, either.
And, as someone already mentioned, it is pretty classless to trash Brian on his own blog. The fact that he proably puts at least 80 hours a week into a website called "MGoBlog" says much more about whether or not he is "blue" than someone coming here to berate the blog owner for having the unadulterated nerve to express his opinion.
If we are regularly in BCS bowls again, that would be the time to worry about winning them, not now when we are as likely to not be in any bowl as we are a BCS bowl.
This is an instructive comment:
Those who are happy for Hoke should learn some balance from Brian; they should celebrate Hoke without trashing RR.
Brian might want to learn some balance from the pions down here. People need to realize that celebrating Hoke and what he might be able to accomplish around here is not akin to trashing RR, not akin to supporting the process that got us here, and not akin to being alright with the mafia that torpedoed RR. Supporting Hoke is 100% exclusive of each of the others, yet certain folks seems to think there is some inalienable and intrinsic connection.
I respect this (and +1'ed and all) but I respectfully disagree. It's hard for me to separate the coach, cherry-picked as he was from the "mafia" from that "mafia" itself. He may not have led the coup, per se, but he's their guy and he's their guy for bad reasons and those bad reasons torpedoed the previous guy. The whole affair will always leave a bad taste in my mouth, honestly, even if he goes on to win, a possibility of which I reserve the right to be skeptical. I'm personally still coming to terms with why it upsets me so much. I think, if I put myself on the couch for a sec, it's that it violates both my sense of fairness while validating nostalgia, traditionalism, and cronyism — three things that I despise — and while constantly repudiating talent and genius, two things that I admire. It's a whole narrative, really, and each part of the story is important to the next.
Now, I doubt that Brian feels this way, though. Once, I mentioned to him my penchant for narrative in thinking about sports and fandom and he said something like "I was an engineering major, I deal with numbers not narrative." And he's sill dealing with numbers and figures with this thing. If you take away the narrative aspects, either from my end of things (i.e. that this was a coup brought on by conservative cronyism) or from the opposite end (i.e. that this was a necessary return to basics and family values after an interloper came in and destroyed the tradition), then there's not a lot here with this hire. It literally makes no sense sans narrative. The numbers say this is a risky hire. When there are more numbers to analyze (or in the case of +/-, invent), Brian will be on firmer ground either way. But that's months from now. In the meantime he can only analyze the situation based on what's known.
Brian is a grown man (at least i think he is, i've never seen him) and therefore can speak on his own behalf and defend himself if need be. What are you guys his bodyguards???
If someone wants to say that what Brian did was in some way negative to the overall goals of the Program whats so wrong with that? That person is entitled to his own opinion as well and in some form or another the OP is right in this case. The MGoBlog "President" goes on radio where he is expected to represent the opinion of the fan base and casts what the OP believes is a somewhat negative shadow over the hire. Yes Brian is entitled to his opinion, but yes he does have certain responsibiliies that go beyond those of your normal Michigan fan. He is looked at differently because of his position amongst us.
There are ways to say things and there are ways to say things. He could've expressed his opinion in a way that was more beneficial to the program. Do I hate the guy? No. Do I think he could've expressed himself in a more "beneficial" way? Yes.
Neg me all you want. That is My Opinion... and last time I checked this is still America.
ps. I am a Michigan Graduate. So for some of you to say that those who went to Michigan have to say certain things or think a certain way is ignorant. If anything, you should applaud diverse input. People are not going to agree on everything. Be mature about it.
Brian is not 40
It's one person's opinion! Brian speaks for himself not the entire U of M fanbase. He has no obligation to speak for any of us. If you don't like what he says then don't listen to him.
So Brian is responsible for promoting the views of people who read his blog with whom he disagrees? I don't think so. As you say, this is still America.
R nu coch has nevr had a signfikent win in his life! He can pound hard on teh po-dee-um! If u questun his rezoomay you are baaaaad!!!
I have yet to hear Brian say ons thing about Brady Hoke that is not well reasoned. Anyone who thinks that we should blindly support the HIRING of a coach based solely on one press conference also probably thinks that George W. Bush was a great President. You can bag on Brian all you want but it won't change one thing. THIS IS HIS BLOG. If you like this hire, great. But don't act like those of us who don't are the ones taking the crazy pills around here. Facts are facts and the ones about Brady Hoke's head coaching tenure are mediocre at best. Lastly, if you don't like open discourse about U of M sports then you can kindly GTFO. I never neg bombed someone for not liking the RR hire and I don't think anyone should be neg bombed for disagreeing with the BH hire.
there's nowhere to go to stick to the basics. MLive? Hell no. Rivals? Format is awful and it's MLive light. Scout? I don't think I've even seen the Scout message board. MGoBlog draws people because it feels like the message board of you and your buddy's fantasy football league. i can speak only for myself when i say it doesn't feel that way anymore.
this was the 'indy third option' with a more laid back format and a chance to be an idiot but within reason. it's changed quickly since about... mid-October. and some people are unhappy with that.
But I couldn't agree with your sentiments about the discourse here more. +1 decent sir.
For being able to respectfully disagree with your fellow mgobloggers. I appreciate your levelheadedness kind sir.
+1 to you.
The whole last two years have been miserable for me. From Freepgate to expectations to Gerg to injuries. I'm not happy. But it bugs me that Brian is getting crucified for expressing doubts. Of course he will support Hoke & the team. But it sucks that RR got a raw deal and that people turn a blind eye to some of the stats on Hoke. The reason many of us come here is because Brian gives facts and links to support his opinions. I think Brian is completely justified to take a "wait and see" attitude. To my way of thinking, Brian never advocated blind support of RR. He is fully justified in not advocating blind support of Brady Hoke.
I will not comment on any coach who doesn't work for the University of Michigan.
In all fairness, Brian was critical of those who didn't support RR, going so far as to say or infer they were uninformed and had no idea what they were talking about. Of course Brian has the right to have a differing opinion, but is this blog an RR blog or a Michigan football blog? That's the bigger question Brian has to answer, and how he wants to handle it given that it is his blog but now, it's really more than just a blog - it's a legitimate news source, too.
I think it's a little unrealistic to try and make someone drop all of their concerns and become a polyanna-ish blind supporter.
Brian isn't shitting all over Hoke or saying that he hopes he fails, he is just pointing out some areas where he has concern (recruiting w/regards to population demographics, offensive philosophy and design, etc.)
If you are a 100% supporter/detractor of any coach (or politician or social leader or anyone for that matter) and agree/disagree 100% of the time, you are a fool. Constructive criticisms and having questions don't equal a lack of support.
If you can honestly say that you don't have any concerns about Brady Hoke at all, you are either disingenuous or really dumb. Having questions doesn't mean you are a hater or aren't going to support him and root for the team, you are just being rational.
is that like the idiot who's even worse at advocating issues than his cousin Al Sharpton?
also: there's a term for people who 'come around once (insert name) starts winning'
Brian made his opinion of Brady Hoke clear in 2007. He made it clear before RR was fired. He made it clear when RR was fired. He made it clear during WorldHeldHostageFest. And he is making it clear now. And it is the same opinion that he has held the entire time
What, pray tell, is Brian supposed to do here? After stating the opinion time and again that Hoke is not a good fit, is he now supposed to think differently because Hoke was hired? Or was Hoke's press conference ("He'd walk to Ann Arbor!!!") supposed to change Brian's mind?
He was asked his opinion, and he gave it. There is 'team loyalty', and then there is blatant disingenuity. I invite everyone to remember what they were saying about Brady Hoke a month ago, and ask yourself which side of the line you fall on.
Brian's under no obligation to say it was a good hire if he doesn't think so, but his confidence in his assessment is misplaced. The truth is we really have little idea of how this is going to play out- instant "good hire or bad hire" judgments are often wrong, and dramatically so. Rich Rodriguez, Pete Carroll, Jim Tressel, Dan Hawkins. Bo didn't have a Harbuagh-strong resume when he took over, not even close.
Hoke seems like a really good guy. He's passionate about this school, about coaching football and most importantly, about having a positive impact on the lives of these young men. And he might be a great coach. So why is Brian pouting?
Great quote in the WTKA thread on how Brian said nothing will change between now and the end of the season, and how bleating about it is just noise and detrimental to the program. That's just one example of him complaining about how negative messages are bad for the program, and pointless since he's going to be the coach for the foreseeable future. But not that he's the one all hurt because he doesn't like things, that goes out the window, and because "I'mmmmm maddddddd"...well, everything I said before on how others should act doesn't apply, because, well, I've never liked Hoke, am being proven to never really have liked Carr, all false claims to the contrary, and I shouldn't have to go against MY beliefs before I actually even see a game like I told everyone else to do for 3 years (even after LOTS of game data...have faith, I have a chart). That's not consistency.
In 2007, Brian was a big supporter of Les Miles. Based on events that have transpired since then, he changed his mind. Since 2007, Hoke had an undefeated regular season at Ball State and turned SDSU around pretty quickly. That, to me, provides pretty good basis for rethinking the 2007 Hoke opinion.
Harbaugh didn't come. I wanted him, you wanted him, but that doesn't change the fact he didn't come. Hoke was never one of my top choices, but now that he is here and after listening to him, I am okay with him. I, like you, just want the team to succeed. Unfortunately the past three years, we never achieved this.
Brian is entitled to his reaction. It has been a couple days. We're all still processing. If you find him rooting against Hoke in September I think these lectures about positivity will be more deserved.
Opinion and a wait and see attitude are fine, but that banner has got to be changed. Can't be much more anti-Hoke than that banner. You don't have to like the coach, but you need to show your support of the program. We all love Michigan football. It is time to accentuate the positives of Michigan football.
For all the people complaining about how Brian's take is going to "alienate" visitors to this site, I counter that the blind devotion I'm seeing about Hoke from everyone is turning me off a bit. The guy was a meh choice that may very well work out, but saying all this "but he loves UM" crap doesn't hide the fact that he is a risky hire and brings into question Brandon's handling of this situation.
And for all the people trumpetting Hoke wanting to be here, do you honestly think RR didn't want to be here as well? The guy has been busting his ass for 3 years here under near-constant scrutiny from local and national media personalities, from a faction of the fanbase that hated him from the moment he was hired, and who had to revamp a team that was dangerously shallow in depth at various positions. He suffered through the same losing streaks everyone else did, and this is from a guy who won over 100 CFB before he came to UM. He recruited reasonably well, brought an innovative offense to the school, groomed the B1G offensive POY, and honestly was making strides. Sure his defenses sucked and he made some dumb mistakes, but every coach in America has his flaws, and RR just kept plugging along and tried to fix them. He wanted to be here as much as anyone, but Brandon decided he needed to go so he was let go. He didn't leave UM - UM kicked him out. So stop it with the argument that RR didn't care about being here - I'm certain he wanted it to work out, and is probably prety beat up that it didn't.
...reminds me of this scene from Hoosiers:
They're even chanting, "We want Jimmy!"
But blind optimism is another. Brian has said all along that he didn't think this was going to happen because Hoke was unqualified. He has been preaching this stance for the past six months and you shouldn't ask him to change his tune now. He obviously bleeds Maize and Blue - hence creating this fucking awesome site - and it's because of that that he feels so upset over Dave Brandon's decision and process. Brian is allowed to voice his opinion, and if nothing else we should all trust his opinion.
I love America but that doesn't mean I have to support every decision every President makes. Brian hopes just as much as I do and just as much as anyone that Michigan will win every game it ever plays from now until the end of eternity, but he can also be realistic about his projections and expectations. We aren't a bunch of babies who need to hear positive news. He shouldn't demean us by only saying positive things. Please don't censor yourself Brian!
Whole lot of opinions, but there is only one that matters.
Did you know that if you have enough MGoPoints when a new coach is hired, you get annointed as the new Brian? All the MGoCardinals convene to posbang and negbang their favored candidates and when the dust clears, a new Brian is crowned. This happens every time Michigan changes coaches.
Old Brian was the Brian voted in when Lloyd Carr retired, and he has now ascended to MGoHeaven, but soon, our New Brian will be crowned and all the MGoWorld will rejoice. So save up those MGoPoints, because who knows? IT COULD BE YOU!
just get along?
Are we going McCarthyist on MGoBlog? Brian has a right to voice whatever opinion he has. He's not employed by the athletic department as a media cheerleader.
This is Brian's baby, and he's a genius. I'm sure he'll be man enough to admit that reasonable people can disagree. My only issue has been the frequency of his attacks on other reporters, when his own reporting of late has been less than accurate. Just saying. In the spirit of candor and constructive engagement. I'm sure the experience will prove edifying in the long run. Long live Brian. We need him.
So Brian is roiling in emotion right now. Good, I wouldn't have it any other way. The man who hurls empty water bottles at disagreeable codgers also puts that passion into a blog that we would prefer to not live without. Item: The leopard is spotted. Welcome to Mgoblog, nothing to see there. But Brian's also talking meta right now and it's depressing that so many Mgoblog posters are revealing their ignorance of that. Meta: what's happened in the last couple weeks revealed stories, some of them rather unpleasant. In addition to venting, Brian is talking about those stories right now and while it's understandable to want/need to feel AWESOME and ONLY awesome about a charasmatic new coach, understand also that those stories are insightful, important and reflective of the spirit that is Mgoblog. It's my nature to lurk; I'm rarely moved to post. But the added value of Mgoblog has always been thoughtful commentary from a relatively sophisticated fan-base and it's terribly lacking in this thread and beyond. A victim of its success? Maybe. But if you are impatient with those qualities that make Mgoblog special then I invite you to lurk silently as well.
I have to agree that the support being thrown Hoke's way astounds me, and makes me question whether I'm looking at the same things that are out there. Then I read Brian's write-up and it makes me actually feel better.
I support Coach Hoke. I believe that the hiring process was so incredibly fouled up as to really cause one to question how Brandon was the CEO of a major organization. I also believe that many out there have really high expectations for Coach Hoke. I don't see the schedule being that much easier than this year really. I think that 5 wins is probably doable, but I'm not sure about more than that. And then the next years after that will be tougher as well as this recruiting classes flaws become more apparent.
So part of what Brian is doing is an analysis of who is coming in. Hopefully you all are reading them. Let them temper your expectations. Hoke has great passion, but hasn't coached in a top conference at a level higher than a line coach. As a head coach he has never dominated that conference for more than 1 season. (This is in argument to the Tressel record, I think we all agree that Tressel was a winner at Youngstown State for more than one year.)
This has rambled and I apologize. However, Brian is pointing out relevant facts about the staff that apparently is coming in along with facts about the hiring process. Many supporting Coach Hoke are highlighting how his speech makes you feel. So when football is about running through brick walls with no pads, then Hoke's passion will be more important. But as I see it, that passion is only one aspect of a successful program. The other aspect is a strong system that allows the atheletes you have in place to succeed and hopefully dominate the other teams they face. That aspect is what people like Brian are questioning, and I hope he keeps it up.
Under RichRod, Michigan was no longer a STATE power. Whatever schematic advantage RR was supposed to bring in evaporated against good defenses.
Yeesh, we can't be having this conversation right now. Michigan can't even pull the top in-state recruits anymore because RR broke local recruiting ties and couldn't beat MSU. All top "national" programs are regional powers first and throw recruiting lassos around their areas. BH gets this.
Rodriguez broke local recruiting ties? You mean like Cass Tech? Seriously, he would probably have pulled in Anthony Zettel if he had more job security. He recruited Gardner from Inkster. If you're upset about him breaking local recruiting ties with Detroit Southeastern, well, ask The Other Brian about Michigan's chances there, regardless of the coach.
Did Rodriguez lose out on Ronald Johnson? Did Rodriguez lose Joseph Barksdale?
Not every local kid goes to the local college. Some are bound to slip away. But Rodriguez didn't do much/any worse in-state than one could have expected.
for rational. informed analsysis, and that is what I get, on the front page anyway.
The difference between the Freep and geriatrics bashing RR from day one and Brian's analysis is rationality. His opinion is backed by data and analysis and nothing he says about Hoke is personal. If you want to pollyanna the hire, that is your business, but Brian isn't telling you to have the same opinion as him or he will kick you off the board and by the same token if Brian feels a certain way about the hire, he can post whatever he wants.
I like Hoke, a lot, and am extremely happy we ended up with him over Harbaugh or Miles. However, I am not psyched that we are now staffed by an SDSU-level group + whatever DC they can find that would take the job. I had hoped we would keep trying to modernize and compete at an elite level, but I think instead we are now focused on being a force in the Big10/midwest again and while some find comfort in that, I don't. True, anything can happen and perhaps BH can win NCs at M, but any rationali look at the data would indicate that this is a stretch and that a return to a lot of 9-3 seasons with 10-2/8-4 outliers, bowl and out of conference losses and a continuance of being dominated by OSU (who DOES endeavor to compete on a national level), are far more probable. That is not an irrational opinion based on the data at hand.
DB is smart enough to create a positive PR campaign to surround whoever he hires and has done that, but that should not cause us to to cease analyzing things.
Will I support Hoke? Absolutely and with everyu fiber of my being. Will I have blind faith in the long-term viability of the hire? No. The Alabama game in 2012 will be very, very telling for me.