Texas is playing the Big12 for fools. Oliver Luck learned yesterday that UT had entered a non-disclosure agreement with the Big10 a few months back and have been hammering out details for UT to join the Big10 with another school(GT-according to what Luck was told) to make 16. The LHN, which was once considered the biggest hurdle to overcome, would remain UT's and Espn's but BTN would also get UT content-just not as much as the other 15. UT would take a smaller share of BTN revenues(which will grow astronomically after adding GA and TX) than the other members but still stands to make over $50 million per year for all tv money(non-postseason ) according to projections from the B10. That's all the info I have been able to obtain in regards to this matter and what I have now was obtained from eavesdropping on my sources part. Luck seemed shocked and surprised at this news but it doesn't seem to have deterred him from taking the job even though during his interview he pitched a 12 team B12 with 8 games and a CCG. I won't pretend to understand how the big10 plans on skirting the GOR but everything I've been hearing is hinting that the answer is in the details of what the networks are actually paying for-yes, they are TV rights to a university's athletic games-but those games have a specific name and description. Failing that, the B10 has stores of cash to pay for a broken GOR or 2 if need be. Will UT move to the Big10 and what does that mean for WVU and the rest of B12? Before anyone jumps off a bridge keep this in mind: last year the Big10 had as many as 8 of those non-disclosure agreements in place with various schools and only 2 came to fruition. But if UT were to bolt the B12...well, that changes everything.
Message board rumors: Texas to B1G?
So....Dave Brandon's fault?
Your opposed to watching a Gerg defense in the B1G? I am 100% behind him as the DC for any team in our confrence.
67-65. Never forget.
Us playing real opponents would cause you to stop watching?
With giving no thought to this at all, Texas and GT in the B1G would be awesome!
Yeah, giving no thought to it at all would be the only way you could come up with that conclusion.
Have we learned nothing by watching Texas wreck two conferences in a row?
If you insist on marrying a woman who's been divorced 3 straight times, chances are really, really good that she's going to divorce you. It's not different this time.
What if she's hot and gives a meeeeeeean handjob?
Texans don't give mean handy jays, only angry ones.
Texas and GT are WAY better (hypothetical) additions than Maryland and Rutgers. I know what you are saying but the time for putting the breaks on dumb expansion already has poassed.
I'm not sure why I should believe this now when it wasn't true the last twenty times it was supposed to happen.
Something something smoke, something fire.
"Smoke" over the past few years has had Texas ending up in three separate conferences other than the Big 12. They're still in the Big 12. Where they are staying.
But I've seen far more "Texas to B1G" rumors than anything else. Again, that could be because I'm exposed to more B1G/regional news than some.
"Texas to the Pac-10" and "Texas to the ACC" were also thrown out there at various points in the realignment years, but admittedly not as often as "Texas to the B1G." None of them have come to fruition, so I'm past putting any credence into this stuff.
You really are the worst when you comment in conference realignment threads.
The worst. Just leave it be next time, man.
Why, is the thread not supposed to have cold water thrown on the speculation?
I don't see what was so offensive about that. "Texas to the B1G!" has been rumored for years. Several dates on which this was supposed to be announced have come and gone. They're like doomsday prophecies. Why is pointing that out so offensive?
exploring all of the minutiae of a possible agreement to join. But does NOT necessarily mean they come on board. This is probably just the half-sane way of going at the issue for a business-minded B1G.
We don't have to like it.
Heard Notre Dame is joining the big 10 too!
Please make it stop
Without an actual game to focus on, why not speculate about realignment.
I am fairly certain that the Grant Of Rights is not just something you can challenge and and assume you can walk away from. If it is like the ACC and the Texas has sold some of its voice on TV contracts to the conference, then leaving the Big XII would be a considerable financial burden and something which might effectively bar them from being on TV most weeks, if I understand these agreements.
I could be wrong, but I don't see how Texas puts all that at risk, at least until around the time the TV contracts are back up for negotiation - that's around the same time as negotiations with the Big Ten would take place, I believe.
Texas got confused that the Big 12 had ten members and the Big Ten had twelve, so they're leaving the conference of ten but purpotedly twelve and joining the conference of twelve but purpotedly ten, so that they will then be in a conference of twelve purpotedly and actually twelve. The only thing is under this arrangement the twelve purpotedly ten will then become thirteen purpotedly ten, and in any case it was fourteen purpotedly ten to begin with, because two other sans-math schools simultaneously decided the same thing.
Quite simple really.
My ghost salutes you.
Do you think he died?
What would make this even better is if I mispelled "purportedly" six times in a row. Oh wait...
...Just thinking about Black and Blue.
Georgia Tech and Texas in the B1G would certainly up the ante in conference golf competition.
Georgia Tech would be ironic...
...Just thinking about Black and Blue.
Was thinking the same thing. Fuck GT now and forever.
Is worth remembering. I am sure the current students and administration would not agree with the 1934 policy of GT, and acknowledging the change and growth of our culture, amd GT as an example of that, is an important part remembering the fight for civil rights. I would welcome them for their representation of the change that was neeeded.
Yost was not exactly an angel in this regard either. But he's dead. Has been for quite a while.
Just as 2014 Michigan should not be unduly punished for 1914 Yost, 2014 GT should not be unduly punished for 1934 GT. They really did learn.
Belongs in the B1G in my opinion, GT is good too, although I'd like to see Oklahoma instead. I just think their styles both would fit well in B1G and would be better for B1G than ND. Maybe it will be, and this will get ND too.
U.Texas belongs in the Big Dumpster Fire.
They've been pumping the rumor that they're joining the B1G for years now. It's not happening
I don't think Oklahoma meets the B1G educational standard.
until they're their own country; then they'll start putting the moves on Mexico.
Don't do it, B1G; the Cuernos will just use you as a stepping stone.
and will join the UT intramural league. The Longhorn network will have exclusive rights. Gerg might still have trouble, however.
I'd gladly take Ontario and give Texas to Mexico.
They don't actually want to be their own nation; they want to be part of the US and claim that they want to be their own nation.
Funny how people in Texas who go on about sovereignty all conveniently forget they already tried to leave the United States, and got whooped, lol.
It was a virtual all-Texas conference! And one of the absolute best football conferences in the country.
For most of my lifetime, it was Texas, Baylor, A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, SMU, Rice, Houston and the only non-Texas school, Arkansas (which got as many of its players from Texas as Michigan gets from Ohio).
Dirtiest. Conference. Ever.
It really was, "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'," type of league. Every single member school was on football probation at least once, and the conference was indirectly disbanded by the NCAA (probation = no TV back then).
UT and GT would be the best possible adds from an academic perspective. But I guess nobody cares about that.
Virginia and North Carolina???
Best possible. Those aren't possible.
Slippery Rock - Shippensburg?
Wellsley - Vassar?
Oxford - Cambridge?
William & Mary?
Larry, Curly or Moe?
Tinker to Evers to Chance?
We could expand across the pond and pick up Oxford and Cambridge. They probably aren't the best addition for athletics, though.
Someone already posted Oxford and Cambridge. Probably should read through all the comments when trying to be witty.
Maybe not as athletics, but I would LOVE to see Oxford and Cambridge join the CIC.
John Hopkins U
U of Chicago
As long as Texas has the Longhorn Network, this'll never happen.
Texas would probably rather go independent and try to dominate the world than change conferences.
What is this, 2010?
Nebraska would be pissed though don't think Michigan and Ohio State would let them become the kings of the conference. Certainly could be a very good thing to have Texas recruiting come into play. Fight fire (Florida and California) with fire (Ohio, Texas, and Virginia).
Don't think this happens but like somebody else said it is a bye week. Speculation commence.
why would Nebraska be pissed? they're a rival. Nebraska was pissed about the money splits of the big 12. it would also help Nebraska recruiting tremendously since they would be the closet school to texas
Because Texas immediately dominated the politics of the Big Twelve--Texas won basically any time there was a disagreement. Money splits was one disagreement but far from the only one. I don't think Texas would have nearly the same sway in the Big Ten, but they would still be very unhappy--most Nebraska fans I know were happy to never need to deal with Texas again.
Some random post on some random UT sports board nobody ever heard of. This is the kind of thing that gets posters sent to Bolivia.
Just curious how is this Bolivia worthy? The OP posted a very clear title on a topic that is very much on topic. Now you may not agree with the move if it happens but this is new material that seems perfect to discuss especially in a bye week.
On a side note this is kind of why not having pos and neg bangs is a good thing since of this is the kind of post that can get somebody thoroughly negged there is a problem.
Again I definitely understand distaste in further expansion though I do think these two teams would be interesting but why not have a discussion?
OK sheriff. Glad to know you disapprove.
Personally, I think that its a relevant topic and the OP cites the primary material. You, I, and the rest of us well-educated folks can form a reasoned view on the veracity of the rumor, but we don't need Sheriff KSmooth to make that call for us. Personally, I think it's a load of BS, but its fairly posted.
Uhhh you being serious? I'm pretty sure the worst that would happen if Brian/the mods didn't approve of the topic would be the removal of the thread. Thank God you're not running MGoBlog... It would probably suck.
Definitely not thread worthy from the standards I've seen applied here. But totally agree about users not getting banned for such, otherwise I'd not be posting this right now. At least not under this name.
TX could balance out that very weak Western Div. Nebraska would be pissed after leaving the Big 12 because of them though.
IF this happens (a B1G IF) I'm going to game at UT just for the tailgates. Barbecue and more barbecue. I can practically smell the chile rubs and kicked up sauces already.
Three more: It is sublime.
doesnt all B1G school to connect with either current or future B1G. But if true I wonder if they would add OU KU, UVA, UNC so that they're all connected.
Why do we need them? More money? They're probably going to be way more of a pain than it's worth. There's a reason Missouri, Nebraska, and Colorado went with the first gentlemen who asked them to dance
Not really, the Mizzou turned the BIG down
You'll want to check your facts on that.
They're #5 in the country and Rutgers is in the American Athletic Conference.
That was be more publicity and TV time that Rutgers would get the league...AND we'd have two teams in the top 5.
Nexr year the West would have a nice balance with the East.
Not going to argue the merits of Mizzou v Rutgers (both pretty bland choices) but its not like Mizzou is actually a good football program. They're probably going to lose several games from here and return to anonymity where they normally live. Rutgers football v Mizzou football is a wash
I think you're wildly underestimating Missouri and overestimating Rutgers. They had a nice little run there of going to bowl games in Birmingham and Toronto and such under Schiano. Otherwise their most famous accomplishment happened in 1869. Historically they are among the absolute worst programs ever. Even their pinnacle of success under Schiano doesn't match what Missouri accomplishes in an average year.
There is no rational B1G fan anywhere that wouldn't trade Rutgers for Missouri in a heartbeat. The only person that likes that is Jim Delany.
Mizzou desperately wanted to come to the Big Ten but they never got the invite. I still kind of think they'd come to the Big Ten from the SEC if they got the invite
Did you spell it that way on purpose? Spellcheck didn't catch it?
I wouldn't disapprove. I think we benefit by going to 16 teams. If we are going to add teams, we should add better programs than Rutgers and Maryland - though these are not terrible programs, and they do add great regional significance and other factors such as research,etc. But moreso, adding a program like UT? That is great. Would like to see UT and UNC, but GT is also good.
What is the benefit of 16? That seems to be a magic number for some folks, but I never got why. Why not 18?
Was really hoping UNC would be included in the next conference expansion. But adding UT sounds like a great idea for many reasons. it does throw the whole Big 10 Midwest footprint into the south which is good for recruiting but I dunno, I guess I always kinda liked the Midwest feel of the conference
This is almost certainly hogwash. But if it's real and the B1G is looking to add, Texas is just about the best option from a program and academic standpoint. I'm wary of their political baggage, of course, but a key here is to get teams that are actually worth growing for.
Rutgers and Maryland were not such teams. Texas is. GT isn't bad from a regional or academic perspective and is probably better than either R or MD, too.
If they had 8 NDAs out last year, I have a little more faith in the idea. I can't stand the idea of some weird 14 or 16 team conferences. If you are going to blow up the conferences, make two divisions of 10 teams with one of them being the old Big Ten.
I just don't know that the B1G can pull that off.
"Old Big Ten" = We start playing U Chicago and not MSU, PSU or Neb? Or is MSU included because they've been a member for 63 years, but PSU's 20 years isn't enough?
Middle Big Ten but maybe swapping Indiana with PSU. The only way that scenario makes sense is if the additional 6 were a big chunk of the ACC (GT, Duke, UNC, UVA, and maybe Syracuse and Pitt.).
if you bring Texas you somehow have to include Oklahoma to the mix. Nebraska would be happy they get their old rivalry back.
Southwest and the B12. It won't happen. The added revenue isn't worth the expense if having to travel that much. Texas will remain in the B12
every conference they've ever been a part of, look it up.
Saban to Texas, Texas to the B1G, and Meyer to ESPN.
Also, adding Texas to the West would help balance the East and West divisions.
From a money standpoint it'd be great becaue we would get the HUGE markets of Atlanta and the entire state of Texas, with the additions of NYC and the Baltimore/DC/Northern VA markets, we would make serious bank with the TV rights negotiations in 2016. From a recruiting standpoint this is a no brainer. Texas and Georgia are two of the most fertile grounds in the country and it would seriously aid the weak looking B1G West by helping Nebraska get back to recruiting Texas and NW recruit Texas even better, and Michigan would clean up in both states. From an academic standpoint its great because these are both premier institutions. And competitively it would be great because again premier programs. The only downside is 16 teams seems like a little much but I'm sure we'd get over it
I can think of a lot more downsides than that. Doesn't take much effort.
How about we just collect 'em all and add USC, UCLA, FSU, Miami, Washington, Oregon, Oklahoma, LSU, and Alabama? Those schools all fit most or all of your criteria. Would you like to just have a 28-team conference?
The most important thing to me is the colors; 'Old Gold' and 'Burnt Orange' would add more diversity to the conference. The last thing we need is another 'Red' school.
I think we get UT right after Hogwarts joins the B1G.
BTW, how's are Quidditch team doing this year?
they would also be tremendous additions from a TV Footprint, you'd have Atl & the Greater Dallas area and the recruiting base it would add to the B1G, I think those are 2 of the best possibilities out there if we are indeed expanding to 16 teams.
Also, the new logo could be B16, cause the 6 looks like G, amirite.
But damn it, the players deserve none of it.
...and I like it.
I heard a rumor they may let kids come to school for free if they play, even for sports that don't generate much revenue.
Players get nothing, except, you know, $50,000 annual scholarships, tons of athletic gear and first-class training to prepare them for the pros - even in those sports where there isn't a professional league to train for.
I call bull shit.
That was very well written. You have a knack for writing my friend.
Texas is NOT happy in the Big 12. With A&M gone, they have lost a lot of their reason for staying. Sure, Oklahoma is a big rival, but they could keep them on as a non-conference opponent, much like MIchigan played Notre Dame every year for the past 30 years. I don't think they really care about anyone else in the Big 12 that much anymore. And they are pretty good academically, which is why I don't think they ever would have considered the SEC. Really, if you assume the Big 12 eventually collapses, they have to end up either in the Pac-12 or the Big Ten.
MAKE IT STOP
One word. Bullshit.
...make your own TV rights. Feast or famine.
Why would Texas want to join the Big Ten? I think everyone is happy where their at, unless your in the Big East (or whatever it's called now).
Wasn't this the same rumor that was on the Northwestern boards three years ago, only replace GT with ND?
Secondly, there is realistically no where else for them to go. SEC is a bad fit, PAC-12 and ACC are options, but Texas does not associate with either coast. B1G is the only game left, however the distance is a killer with only one natural rival in Neb that a Texan could associate with. Having lived there for 10 years, there is not too much discussion/north of teams up north. Fun to talk about though.
And bump Purdue east. That gives each division 3 blue blood programs (OsU, um, pSU and okla, ut and neb) with some solid middlers (Wisconsin, Iowa, msu, Rutgers/Maryland) an some doormats that come up every once in a while.
Texas is so full of themselves that they are just going to play 12 intramural games against themselves and all will be broadcast by the LHN.
I don't want them. Way too far geographically, and they seem to be bent on destroying as many conferences as possible with their refusal to share revenue. Let the Longhorn Network and its 12 subscribers broadcast their sinking ship.
I understand the move in terms if academics, television revenue, and recruiting, I don't really like it nor hope it happens. I'm sure recruits from both GA and TX are aware of B1G football and if they were interested in coming here they would, it seems to me that most of them whether or not they are exposed to the regions football would
Rather stay down south. On top of that I don't think they would garner much attention with customer views. GT does not dominate the state of UGA in terms of football players, they dominate in terms of academic prestige. The SEC and UGA do and considering our "yankee" identity in the B1G i don't see B1G Network doing well.
The same can be said to lesser extent with UT and dealing with Texas A&M, although I think both have a strong hold in the state of Texas and UT is a strong presence, I don't think the recruit would be swayed to come here to play and I can't see the majority of TV sets down there giving a damn with the exception of B1G fans making a living down there.
Geographically speaking it makes even less sense, there is an ENTIRE region that distance both teams from the conference and I doubt there could be any truly strong rivalries to grow from a union like that. I would much rather us continue to go further in the Northeast and look for teams more close to us and taking up more if the Great Lakes states schools. It may not give us more television sets or better recruiting in those southern states, but it continues to build up stronger rivalries in the area and is geographically consistent.