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November 12th, 2011 at 11:03 AM
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ijohnb
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MBB - What's the deal?

I have not seen either game, just watched the scores on the bottom line in horror as Wayne St. and Ferris have pushed M through halftime.  For those that have either gone to the games or found some obscure electronic streaming device to watch the games, what is the deal?  Our we getting any production inside, at all?  What is the shape of the offense, is it running "through" THJ with isos from the wing?  Is there any inside-outside look with Morgan.  Typically, these kind of teams are layup lines, from ranked and unranked teams alike.  I know it is early, and typically I don't really pay any attention to BB until around Thanksgiving.  But are there alarm bells going off right now, and if so, how loud are they?

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:06 AM
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sarto1g
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It's early in the season for

It's early in the season for a team that just lost the driving force of its offense.  They're still finding their identity

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November 12th, 2011 at 2:10 PM
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Agreed

Michigan still doesn't have a lot of talent.  99% of our success last year came from Morris' ability to create scoring opportunities.  Losing your star "QB" and replacing him with a freshman is going to be detrimental to any team.  Anyone expecting Michigan to be anything better than "meh"/average this year is going to be sorely disappointed.  We'll get there, though.  I don't think I need to say that with the class we have coming in next year we're getting back to Michigan basketball of old.

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November 12th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
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First off, yes, we do have

First off, yes, we do have quite a bit of talent. Second, you realize we brought back everyone on the team other than Morris and our starting lineup consists of a senior, 3 sophomores and a freshman, right?

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:06 AM
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no

no

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
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BlueUPer
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Relax...

It's early.  In football, when you lose your QB there is a transition period.  Same as in basketball, when you lose your PG. 

Most Beilein teams play their best ball at the end of the season!

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:09 AM
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MGoBeer
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Whats the deal

with airplane food? Amiright?

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November 12th, 2011 at 3:11 PM
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Ha! It was down 10 cents on Friday.

What's up w/ that?

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MBB&ql=1

 

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:10 AM
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They won by 26 yesterday and

They won by 26 yesterday and held Ferris St to only 33 points. I wouldn't worry too much. It's early in the season and it's still a pretty young squad overall. I'd expect this team to get better as the season progresses.

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:12 AM
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coldnjl
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Go to a game and see for

Go to a game and see for yourself....otherwise STFU

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:13 AM
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easy now

easy now

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:14 AM
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His Dudeness
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Michigan fans are not happy

Michigan fans are not happy unless they are unhappy.

The guys just won and kept the other team at 33. The last time that happened was 1946.

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
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The last time we were unhappy

The last time we were unhappy was 1946?  I beg to differ.......

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:07 PM
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His Dudeness
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Written poorly post-run and

Written poorly post-run and pre-coffee... Excuse? Sure it is.

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:18 AM
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Yeah old Fink was a real

Yeah old Fink was a real brainiac. He studied everything about everything...including beer. So STFU!

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:21 AM
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MGoLifer
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I don't think Burke and

I don't think Burke and Morgan played much in the first half. I know for sure Burke didn't start because he was late for team walk through. Beilein said it was "more than a 1-minute type of thing." I only saw the second half and Michigan absolutely went off, going from a 5-point lead to almost 30 in just a few minutes.

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:21 AM
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Dumb.

Dumb.

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
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Basketball

Is a lot different from football.   There is much more parity and competitive balance (generally speaking).  Also, this is the first official game of the season.  Duke won by won by only one yesterday to a team they are much better then.  Now, that doesnt mean that Duke is a bad team.  One of the greatest things about college basketball is the honest fact that any team can beat any other on a given day.  Michigan won by almost thirty and played great defense.  They will win some games they shouldn't this year and also lose some they should win.  They will be fine this year.  Enjoy the ride

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:41 AM
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Belmont

Belmont is a much better team than most people think.  They will make the tourney again and could possibly make a Sweet 16 run.  They have several good starters returning from last year.  

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
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ZOMG

ZOMG PANICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
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His Dudeness
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I can't read your avatar, but

I can't read your avatar, but I love me some NMH. I hope the avatar is positive NMH.

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November 12th, 2011 at 2:01 PM
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yes. ditto on the NMH. Jeff

yes. ditto on the NMH. Jeff Magnum is doing a solo tour very soon...FYI

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November 12th, 2011 at 2:46 PM
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His Dudeness
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I thought Mangum was in an

I thought Mangum was in an institution. Good to know. Hopefully Royal Oak can get in on that. They usually get the stuff I like. God I wish their talent acquisition person would come to a venue in GR.

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November 12th, 2011 at 5:34 PM
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Nein!

Google Jeff Magnum Occupy Wall St. It's a very nice performance.

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:33 AM
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MGlobules
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watch the games themselves rather than the scores,

then you can make up your own mind as to whether horror is an appropriate reaction. (Hint: probably not.) 

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
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plus

they're probably working on quite a bit right now. blowing a team out isn't their top priority right now as it is finding chemistry so in doing so some tests for chemistry might not have worked out as well as others.

same deal a few years ago when was is GVSU took Sparty to the wire? MSU turned out fine that year but was more concerned about playing lots of players to gain experience than blowing a team out with their starters all game and learning nothing about your whole team in a real game scenario.

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:36 AM
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It's early in the season

I watched UCLA ( I believe ranked # 20) lose to Loyola Maramount for the first time since 1940 on their home court. The crowd looked shocked. In the post game show the host's first comment was, " Bruin fans, don't panic it's the first game of a very long season. We'll be okay".

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:42 AM
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Sckon
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I think is going to be one of

I think is going to be one of those transition years where they hang with teams they shouldnt beat but constantly get surprised (in terms of competitiveness) by teams they should blast.

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
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Blue boy johnson
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It's all over. The team is

It's all over. The team is doomed.

Belien has instructed the team to drop kick 3 pointers. it ain't working

On pick and rolls the bigs are literally rolling on the ground. it ain't working

On defense the team is guarding people with their ass. The theory is; when a shot goes up they won't have to waste time pivoting to block out. It ain't working

Bacari Alexander has instructed the team to never grab a rebound, instead the team has been told to move the ball down the court volley ball style with sets, bumps and spikes. It ain't working.

Don't believe me? Watch the replay Monday 4:30pm on BTN

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
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Huh? Rich Rod has got to

Huh? Rich Rod has got to go!!!!

/s

 

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:49 AM
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aiglick
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I'd rather have the team work

I'd rather have the team work on these issues now before heading off to Maui. Even then that's only two games away although technically the next two are part of the tournament.

It will be interesting to see how the team does in Maui and how the team responds to the result. The Old Spice Classic in hindsight was a foreshadowing of how the team would do for the entire season: 1-2 and 15-17. That won't necessarily happen if the team learns some lessons from the tournament and work to get a little bit better each day as Beilein always likes to say.

Should be a great year of basketball and a good finish to football.

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:52 AM
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It's still early, and the

It's still early, and the defense did look solid last night, but it seems to me Michigan may have some trouble on the offensive side early in the year or perhaps all year because they don't have that penetrate and dish type player that Morris was last year. Darius made a lot of stuff happen with his ability to get in the lane and with his vision and that element seemed missing last night - not to say that as the season moves along Trey won't improve in this category. It's early, but for me some signs are already there.

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:54 AM
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Did anyone see that duke...

only beat some scrub by one point? They should fire Coach K, what's the deal!?

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:05 PM
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I know your joking

But Belmont has a squad. They would woop our ass right now.

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:57 AM
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"What's your deal?"

"What's your deal?"

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November 12th, 2011 at 11:58 AM
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BPocern
Joined: 03/12/2011
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A loss to Memphis

Isn't going to doom our season, I think Memphis is going to be a very tough game, with that being said a win against Memphis could go along way to a great season!

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:08 PM
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Not to self-promote

but I'm lazy.  See

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/michigan-vs-ferris-state-bball-open-thread#comment-1329537 

and

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/michigan-bball-vs-wayne-st-live-blog#comment-1316854 

They're still putting it together.

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:15 PM
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Give it time

This team relies on cohesiveness and shooting touch on the offensive side of the ball.  Our defense has been pretty solid but the offense will roll around in due time.

Let's hope that time is at/before Maui. 

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:20 PM
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Lots of backups

We definitely didn't look great last night, but we didn't exactly go peddle to the metal, either. There was plenty of time for pretty much everyone on the bench, and in the end we pulled away like we should.

I'm not worried, but I do have to admit I was not impressed with our defense. Ferris only scored 33, but that's because they are really bad. They had a ton of open looks they couldn't get to go down. We'll know where that we're at after Maui, I think, and don't forget either that basketball is a lot different from football when it comes to David and Goliath. Duke almost lost last night if you want any recent proof.

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:23 PM
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jmblue
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The deal

Here it is:

http://www.mgoblue.com/tickets/bkm-single-game.html

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:23 PM
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Nothing to worry about...

However, the success of this team will depend heavily on the development of one Mr. Burke.

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:47 PM
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they won by 26 points

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:49 PM
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We

Ouren't. 

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:51 PM
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I was at the games and I can

I was at the games and I can tell you almost all the problems are offensive.  I think the team is struggling to find that starting lineup that will work well.  They've been alternating players a lot and at times they looked fantastic (especially at the end of yesterday's game).

I think they are going to struggle for the first part of the season, but will gradually gain steam once they settle on a solid starting lineup.  Horford to me was never the answer and I think Morgan fits this team MUCH better.  

Along with that, Burke has played VERY well when he's been in, but when he and stu are on the floor it looks like they're both trying to manage the game, which doesn't work well for scoring.  Plus, if you watched the games you would see that Michigan had not been getting a ton of breaks with their shots.  I can't tell you how many times it would spin around the rim and just fall out

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November 12th, 2011 at 12:53 PM
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"I have not seen either game,

"I have not seen either game, just watched the scores on the bottom line in horror as Wayne St. and Ferris have pushed M through halftime."

Stop right there.

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November 12th, 2011 at 1:20 PM
#46
Naked Bootlegger
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Last year pre-BIG performance

Who remembers last year's pre-BIG season tourney in Atlantic City?   Our team played horribly on offense.   Granted, the competition was Syracuse and UTEP, but we looked atrocious on offense....and we had Morris running the point!    

It took Hardaway's unconscious 2nd half performance last year to rescue us from a 6-game losing skid and propel us to the tourney.   I'm going to assume Hardaway will find his groove again, Smot/Novak/Stu/Burke/Vogrich will soften opposing "D" with decent 3 point shooting, and we'll find a rhythm by mid-December.

 

 

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November 12th, 2011 at 1:25 PM
#47
I Heart Huckleby
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While we're at it: what's the deal with Ovaltine?

 

 

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November 12th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
(Reply to #43) #48
havkarl
Joined: 07/09/2011
MGoPoints: 598
ovaltine

It's the new rage. Everyone is doing it.

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November 12th, 2011 at 2:54 PM
(Reply to #43) #49
havkarl
Joined: 07/09/2011
MGoPoints: 598
ovaltine

It's the new rage. Everyone is doing it.

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November 12th, 2011 at 4:35 PM
(Reply to #43) #50
Bronson
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They should call it Roundtine.

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November 12th, 2011 at 1:26 PM
#51
Blue Durham
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ijohnb - what's the deal?

I have not read his posts, just watched the -22 point total in horror only through less than half the day.  For those who have read his posts, whats the deal?  Is the blog getting any production from his posts, at all?  Typically, posts on topics like these are layups, from basketball to football.  But are there are alarm bells going off right now regarding his posts, and if so, how loud are they?

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November 12th, 2011 at 2:51 PM
(Reply to #44) #52
bronxblue
Joined: 11/22/2008
MGoPoints: 59110
+1

I'm all like, why are they scoring and then giving the ball back to Ferris St?  Hold onto the ball. Come on, man!  This never would have happened if they had hired RR.

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November 12th, 2011 at 1:29 PM
#53
MGoChippewa
Joined: 01/06/2011
MGoPoints: 6357
You 'our' stupid. If you

You 'our' stupid. If you haven't watched the games, then don't come on here and condemn the team. This is a conversation that wouldve been better had with you and your presumed friends.

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November 12th, 2011 at 1:31 PM
#54
brandanomano
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This thread is the epitome of

This thread is the epitome of what's wrong about this blog nowadays.

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November 12th, 2011 at 1:53 PM
(Reply to #46) #55
Geaux_Blue
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Bingo

I HAVEN'T WATCHED OR DONE AN INTENSIVE REVIEW OF WHAT AN OVERWHELMING LEAD IS BUT IM GONNA BITCH ABOUT HOW THIS TEAM WILL CONTINUE TO PLAY AT ITS WORST FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON

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November 12th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
(Reply to #46) #56
Coldwater
Joined: 12/14/2008
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posted from iPhone

Are you the blog police or something?

Get outta here then

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November 12th, 2011 at 1:52 PM
#57
jethro34
Joined: 01/28/2011
MGoPoints: 835
They have 9 days from now,

They have 9 days from now, with 2 warm-up games between now and then, to warm up for their first serious game.  As long as they don't have disasters against Towson or Western Illinois, they can afford to use games as adjustment periods to figure things out against opponents.  They need to be ready for that game on the 21st though.  After that tournament and UVA, they can tweak for the conference schedule. 

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November 12th, 2011 at 2:39 PM
#58
Nickel
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Maybe you should go back to

Maybe you should go back to not paying attention until around Thanksgiving.

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November 12th, 2011 at 2:53 PM
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Filthy Dilithium
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/thread

/thread

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November 12th, 2011 at 2:50 PM
#60
dj89
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Joined: 11/04/2011
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ugh

It has been ONE game!  And their defense was pretty good.  Can't we just enjoy the team for a bit?  We have a whole season to focus on the negatives! 

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November 12th, 2011 at 3:07 PM
#61
Derek
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"I have not seen either game"

tl; dr

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November 12th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
#62
TheLastHarbaugh
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What's your deal?

What's your deal?

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November 13th, 2011 at 12:49 AM
#63
MGoChippewa
Joined: 01/06/2011
MGoPoints: 6357
The Concordia game probably

The Concordia game probably could've condemned last year's team. Just sayin.

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