Peppers at 10, which seems low.
MBB vs. NW Open Thread
Good ole' BTN
Would +1 you if I could!
Hire DC- Check
Retain recruits (Kellen Jones)- Check
A MMB Win- TBD
Come on lets finish off this trifecta.
found a stream anywhere? Those BTN games are always very hard to find online :(
can't the B1G Ten strike a deal with ESPN3? It seems every other major conference has..
someone put up a phenomenal BTN stream a few games ago so hopefully that person will offer it again!
Stream me. please
people who look for streams: bookmark this site... streams pop up there for about half of Michigans games
My stream seems to have a certain dog in the background? Just saying.
Here's to hoping the B-ball team can turn it around. If they can just avoid some of the scoring droughts they have been having they should be good to go. GO BLUE!
Unfortunately, we've been saying that the entire decade...
Scoring droughts happen when you have 1.5 players athletic enough to get a shot on their own.
We can has road win?
Novak is feeling it. If only he and Douglass could have a hot game at the same time.
it comes to a point when every fricking conference game you are saying wow the other team is shooting lights out that it probably isn't them having a good day just us playing bad defense.
Morgan still scoreless and if it doesnt pick up OhowihateOhioState is getting negged for the jinx
Morgan just missed a dunk. Neg OhowihateOhioState to Bolivia.
I could only do two but I made sure I got two in
Shurna has got to have the ugliest jump shot I've seen that is still effective.
It's even uglier than Shawn Marion's
Shawn Marion's 'shot' is more like a chest pass gone awry.
Why do they always start sooo slow?
Fuck all these whistles
do stupid things sometimes. ah, youth.
Welsh-Ryan Arena must be what Yost was like when it was our basketball arena. It only seats about 8,000. It must be pretty cool to watch a game there.
we are getting some pretty open looks we just need to start hitting them and driving in the lane against this zone to open up the wings even more
could easily be up 10+, they have missed a lot of bunnies in the lane
What happened to him? Foul trouble or hurt? Sorry just turned game on
Morris has two fouls.
It's time to start playing some defense. Shurna is on fire.
We also need Darius.
Does this guy ever miss? Holy smokes.
In fact, he had a bad game when MSU played him up with some real athletes that didn't let him get his shot off.
the last one he made a hand one in his face the whole time, he's definitely feeling it to say the least
is making him look like the second coming of larry bird.
can someone land on it getting a rebound accidently
just a little reroll or something, dont wanna wish injury on anyone, but this is ridiculous.
This is pathetic.
Anything that Shurna throws up goes in. Its ridiculous
We look bad. 5:42 left first half, down by eleven teen
Smotrycz is an absolute liability on defense, along with most of our team it seems. Just not quick enough on the rotations. This is infuriating.
STOP LEAVING IN HIM OPEN!
While I wasn't paying attention to them, or are we getting run by a bad Big Ten team?
It's early still, though.
middle of the road... not as bad as indiana, not as good as the upper half.
enough said. Besides Iowa we may be the worst team in the Big Ten. I remember all the talk about all these shooting drills JB has the kids work on. Unfortunately, our shooters seem to be getting worse not better. It's JBs fourth year and I'm ready for a change. He hardly recruits Detroit which is a hot bed of talent. I don't think he would know what a true big is and I'm tired of seeing our 6'8" center get dominated in the post. The tallest player, McLimas, may be 6'11" but he plays like he's 6'6" at best.
If it wasn't for JB inheriting Sims and somhow managing to keep Manny in the fold his entire tenure here would be laughable at best. His primary offense seems to be to throw the ball around the perimeter for 20 seconds and then throw up a three. The only problem is we can't shoot them. Draymond Green, who isn't known as a deep threat, shoots a higher percentage behind the arc then everybody but Novak. As much talk as there was about our former football coach being stubborn it appears to me JB is more stubborn about recruiting his players for his system which just doesn't seem to work. We don't score much, don't rebound, and don't get a lot of stops. I know there are outliers against high ranked teams at home, but I think I would rather get wins against bad teams on the road versus a so called morale victory (loss)at home.
Horford needs to keep the ball high. I'm sure he will work on that in practice. The amount he's taking the ball low as a big man is freaking criminal.
Horford needs to learn how to keep the ball off the ground when he catches it in the post. He always gets stripped by the 2nd defender.
at least he finally missed a three
we really needed to win one of the big home games ... these road games just suck
not over yet...we've had some good second halves...always hope
This is humiliating. That Morgan... god.
Nice missed dunk. Wanna vomit. Bring on hockey Friday nite.
This is awful.
sometimes i forget morga is just a feshman ... shows a ton of promise but has a bit of c. sims in him
threw a ball out of bounds on a fast break, missed 3 ft's, and the missed dunk.
The thread predicting a Morgan coming out party was less than prescient.
of one of those pick-up games at the CCRB where some of the brothers would get dumbfounded by the short asian kids that would just make everything they threw up.
When Northwestern actually had a short chubby Asian kid on the roster, back when they were playing the Fab Five in garbage time, and even the Michigan guys were cheering him to make a basket just because he looked so out of place out there.
Safe to say, Amaker Harvard player he was not.
What on earth was that defense leaving the roll man open. Good god.
thats why pick and roll D is so tough against a team that spaces the floor so well.
1 Horford's hedge wasn't good enough making the pass easy
2 Hardaway didn't 'lock and trail' on the ball handler - he has to bust his ass to get back in front of him so Horford can recover to his guy.
3 D Morris had to help earlier on the roll man.. but was worried about leaving his guy for 3.
4 Another way of helping could have came from Novak pinching down on the ball handler which wouldve required less help from Horford - but when he is guarding Shurna he can't help off. A stretch 4 is so so valuable in a PnR offense.
I think the best thing would be for Zach to 'stunt and recover' where he jumps out on the ballhandler to encourage the pass and already be recovering by the time its thrown. But really this action is probably the hardest to defend in basketball. That's why every NBA team runs it and IF the floor is properly spaced (harder to do in college w/ the closer 3pt line), college teams can be lethal with it as well. Almost every dunk we get is from Jo Mo off the pick and roll.
idk, personally i like seeing them at least try to dunks, laying that up would remind me too much of courtney sims
Not sure why Shon Morris suddenly went old-school wanting a layup, a dunk is the safer shot. Layups are blown all the time too shon.
this team reminds me of my high school coach, "when in doubt rise and fire"
At least it is an entertaining blow out
But they will get better. Maybe. If JB can keep his players from transferring. And play some defense. I don't know, he's just not a Michigan Man coach. He's no Fisher. I think JB should have gradually installed his offense to best suit Amaker's skill players. It won't work in the BigTen.
not so much after the 10083902341239th time
Not in the mood.
Yeah thank god Belein's teams have, ya know, beaten a few good teams in his time here... And oh hey they competed with some elite teams as well. Thank God we're not getting blown out by 20 every single game
You've got to say - Northwestern's ball movement is spectacular today. They are putting on a clinic.
That's what she said.
Score is 44-31 NU at the half.
we'll go on a nice little run, make it competitive, maybe even take a lead somewhere around the 9 minute mark.
Then gag like a cormorant with a 3# herring, and lose by 9.
Prove me wrong.
makes me dream of better days
Our team is young.
Our team is young.
Our team is young.
Our team is young.
Our team is young.
Our team is young.
Our team is young.
Our team is young.
Our team is young.
I just actually typed all those. This hurts.
for our worries.
1. Plug your ears.
2. Close your eyes.
3. Start saying GREG MATTISON GREG MATTISON GREG MATTISON KELLEN JONES GREG MATTISON MILA KUNIS GREG MATTISON repeatedly.
Looks like we'll have some wins at home against the weak 2-4 teams, a couple of oh-so-close losses at home against decent foes, but not much good will likely happen on the road.
Our soft preseason schedule skewed expectations, i fear.
So, let me get this straight: you are complaining about a freshman and a redshirt freshman who was hurt all of last year for being "soft inside?"
I don't know if you have noticed or not, but unless you have TSIO money or your name is John Calipari, you can't just walk up to the "quality big man" tree and pick someone who will dominate as a freshman. Do you think JB has just been sitting around with his thumb up his ass, saying "we don't need big men, let's just recruit 'tweeners" and that he isn't out there recruiting just as hard as anyone else is?
Most of us would have been satisfied with a .500 season before this one began. Maybe some of us should be a little more paitent with a very young team. The great thing about young teams is that they get older all on their own. And when they do, they have a lot of experience from having had to start early.
I won't tell anyone what to do, but maybe you would be happier if you just relaxed a little bit and tried to enjoy the growing process of some kids that may eventually do their school proud.
Or, you can just continue to whine. Whatever.
He has the ugliest shot that I have ever seen. Almost like Shawn Marion's, yet somehow they always go in. He also looks like he has no athletic ability at all, but he is torching us. So far in the Big Ten this year he hasn't done shit. What happened to our good defense the last two games!?
I think the 18 year old freshman are getting tired legs and tired minds.
I like Beilein, but they only have a limited number of really winnable big 10 games and they really forgot to show up for this one. Defense has been pathetic.
to be positive
Oops. Double post. Damn work computers.
you mean as late as possible to screw recruiting, then you may be on to something. Seriously though, I am beginning to wonder if there is some sort of West Virginia curse on us. This is getting ugly.
There's no way Shurna can keep that up after the break, right?
We need to get Smotrycz some confidence. He looks like a kid who’s really confused right now on both sides of the ball.
D Mo got fouled there.... but he had a switch w/ Juice thompson on Jo Mo... hes gotta back it out and do a post entry.... cant let em get away with switching.
is the main reason. Lots of cuts to nowhere and the screens are just fill and replace. Where are the back cuts?
That pass over Stu's head sums up this one. That was pathetic.
The wheels are falling off and I don't understand why.
When someone actually drives the lane and then just kicks it out for a bad looking three point try that is well defensed. Because everyone knows we cannot score in the paint. Sad.
Those who stay will be fucking drunk by the time this atrocity is over.
Uhhhh.....I'm at a loss for words right now. How is this team falling apart so fast?
Defense. Do we play any? It's like we've never seen a pick-n-roll.. Back-to-back 20+ losses to IU and NU doesn't bode well for where we are as a program.
Should have watched Teen Mom.
I just read the Mattison thread along with the Kellen Jones thread and am on somewhat of a high.
So I thought I'd check in on this game thread to bring me back to earth.
Good God, this is depressing.
This looks like last years team minus Manny and Deshawn.
I think the main problem for us on offense is that all our players are either one-dimensional of zero-point-five-dimensional. Some of them can shoot sometimes. Morris can dribble. I hear rumors that some of our guys can shoot sometimes. That's about it.
but you're right with the NIT, it's not gonna happen.
Here's the remaining schedule:
|Sat, Jan 22||Minnesota|
|Thu, Jan 27||at (18) Michigan State|
|Sun, Jan 30||Iowa|
|Thu, Feb 3||at (2) Ohio State|
|Sun, Feb 6||at Penn State|
|Wed, Feb 9||Northwestern|
|Sat, Feb 12||Indiana|
|Wed, Feb 16||at (16) Illinois|
|Sat, Feb 19||at Iowa|
|Wed, Feb 23||(20) Wisconsin|
|Sat, Feb 26||at Minnesota|
|Sat, Mar 5||(18) Michigan State|
I would be surprised if there's 3-4 more wins in that schedule.
I'm not trying to dis, just being realistic.
Our defense has disappeared, too many fouls, bad shot selection, no rebounding and you can see the no confidence look on their faces.
after 08-09. Firmly on the fence after 09-10, and this year I am thinking that next year needs to be a year where we are competitive for an NCAA tournament birth. We kept Amaker for 6 years and JB should get the exact same. This team is super young, and does have talent. I really wonder if we can win in the big ten with this offense. what do you think?
That sounds fair. I think the talent level next year should be to a point where we can reasonably expect to be very competitive. Senior Douglass/Novak, Junior Morris, Redshirt Soph Morgan... along with the incoming recruits. I'd be very disappointed if we're not in the running for the tourney.
Seems like once they're out of your head whatever happens to them happens to them... right?
I think I need to buy you a drink. Cool off a little, take a trip to the beach....ya know. It'll be good for ya.
I love the kid's effort but damn, come on. We can't be so competitive against #2 and #3 and then crap the bed against Indiana and Northwestern. Son of a bitch...........
You love their effort tonight? These guys aren't competing.
This is embrassing. I mean no disrespect to anybody here but I honestly think we could give some posters on here 28 minutes on air and they wouldn't put up 62 points. Indiana and NW just killed us. We might be lucky to win another game with this defense.
they'll show up against State.
I don't really know what that said but I think it was angry and I'm all about anger right now. +1
I said u could pick up five posters here, put them on a basketball court for 28 minutes, with no defenders, and they would have trouble putting up the same numbers NW is.
As they hit the tough Big Ten season, but Beilein seems to get them to play better basketball at the end of the season, so we'll see.
RR was fired for better performance than this!!!!!
Not. In. The. Mood.
I was happy rationalizing the Indiana game as a letdown after playing the top 2 teams in the country. This is just absurd though.
Time to dump the other wvu coach we mistakenly hired.
What the hell is going on!?! I don't think youth is the only problem, maybe Cuse/Kansas/OSU were flukes, WE SUCK. It would have been nice if the team didn't give us hope in the first place.
Maybe we could beat Iowa?
Why are facilities keep us from recruiting against the likes of MSU or OSU. I do. But can someone explain to me how we haven't been able to recruit any upper classmen in year 4 that can keep up within 20 of Northwestern? (I mean, have you seen how piss poor their facilities are?)
it looks like even NW has recruited better than Michigan.
You can win a National Championship just by recruiting Southeastern Michigan. Yet Beilein can't seem to recruit. It does not matter how great a coach you are if you can't recruit the horses.
Ten years ago, you could win a National Championship by recruiting SE Michigan, but only if you had it all to yourself, as Izzo did after the Ed Martin scandal. Since the economy has caused a rather large population shift, I don't think there are enough quality players to win it all without some outside help anymore.
I know the Fab Five didn't win it all, but only two of them were from Detroit. The 1989 team, while it had a lot of Michigan kids, also had Sean Higgins from LA, without whose last second baseline shot against Illinois there would have been no Championship, and East Coast native Rumeal Robinson.
As for JB "not being able to recruit," nobody has really recruited well at Michigan since the scandal, and this year's and next year's class look to be two of the best in Ann Arbor for a long time.
I know that RR's dismissal has so-called "Michigan fans" who like to see coaches fired in a feeding frenzy, but JB deserves another few years. It's not like he was taking over Duke or UNC when he came to Ann Arbor.
We're not as bad as we look tonight. We did beat Clemson on the road, Utah at home, and take three top 10 teams down to the wire. But we're extremely young, and seem a little shell-shocked right now. Morris really needs to get it together. He's been a total nonfactor in all our road games in the Big Ten (Wisc, Ind, NW). He needs to lead this team.
With all of the players with limited skills or underperforming, you think Morris is the problem? As upper classmen (with limited skills--and I like Zach), I would think it's Zach's and Stu's job to lead.
We're just not that good. We have potential, but when your team is this young it will be inconsistent....which it is.
I like it Bartelstein. Take a shot while you're out there!
I'd rather read the Gator Bowl UFR than watch this.
Well at least I'm drunk.
"Chengelis Article with Mattison" thread. It'll make you feel good again.
Before the season, I never expected a team with no seniors, no star players, poor outside shooters, no good frontcourt players and average coaching to compete in the Big Ten or win even as many as ten games. I expected Michigan to be favored against fewer than five teams on its schedule and win no more than one or two Big Ten games. I was hoping to just see some steady improvement.
So, in terms of wins – and close losses against Syracuse, Kansas and Ohio State – this team has exceeded my expectations. Darius Morris could get honorable mention on the the All-Big Ten team; for most of the season Jordan Morgan has been a pleasant surprise; and Tim Hardaway, Jr. has shown some potential to become a good player.
But despite those positives, considering their recent play, it is hard to envision this Michigan team winning enough games to qualify for any post-season tournament this year (or even winning two or three more Big Ten games). Unless there’s considerable improvement between now and the end of the regular season, I’d expect the coaching search to begin in earnest (if it hasn’t already started, despite the too-early contract extension John Beilein received). By now, it should be obvious that Beilein’s recruiting of role players and expecting them to become dependable Big Ten starters isn’t working for him or for Michigan.
Beilein may have to focus his recruiting overseas and find a couple of good outside shooters and a couple of strong frontcourt players in Europe, Africa, Argentina or Brazil to combine with Darius Morris, Jordan Morgan and Tim Hardaway, Jr. (guessing that Blake McLimans and Matt Vogrich will be playing elsewhere next season and that Morris and Hardaway won’t transfer – although it might be tough to convince both of them to stay, especially when there may be other programs willing to offer them the "Udoh Advantage").
I realize that before becoming Michigan's head coach, Beilein had experienced only three losing seasons in 29 seasons as a head coach, but if this becomes Beilein's third losing season out of four at Michigan and he can’t immediately bring in some good overseas talent who won’t consider him to be tainted by his less-than-stellar record as Michigan’s head coach, unless the powers that be are content to let Michigan men's basketball take a back seat to men's hockey, soccer, baseball and club lacrosse, I would guess that Dave Brandon may have to decide that any improvements to Crisler Arena also will have to be accompanied by a coaching change after this season ends.