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MBB vs. Minnesota Open Thread

The game against Minnesota tips off in about 45 minutes.  Here's to hoping we end our 5-game skid with a win at home.

In the meantime, here are some pregame notes from USAToday:

 

NOTES, QUOTES

--The Wolverines shot just 28 percent from outside the arc (6-21) in their 14-point loss at Northwestern, a defeat that dropped Michigan to 1-5 in the Big Ten.

--Michigan continued its meticulous care of the basketball despite coming up on the losing end on the road at Northwestern. The Wolverines committed just seven turnovers. The Wolverines had only six turnovers in a recent road loss to Indiana.

--In Big Ten play, Michigan was on a tear through games played Jan. 15, shooting an impressive 89 percent from the foul line (33-of-37, and is at 73 percent overall on the season).

--Michigan's lack of a potent post presence was very evident in the Big Ten loss at Indiana as the Wolverines had a season-low of just 18 rebounds, and did not block a single shot. It marked the second Big Ten game this season where the Wolverines went without a block.

--Michigan has started a lineup of three freshmen, one sophomore and one junior in the majority of its games this season.

BY THE NUMBERS: 73 -- With 11 freshmen and sophomores, Michigan has 73 percent of its roster made up of underclassmen. The Wolverines have four juniors and no seniors.

QUOTE TO NOTE: "It is part of playing on the road. It's a tough game on the road. When you get in to these situations and things don't go your way, it can just roll on you so quick and get you down by eight, 10, 12. I feel, we'll go in, we'll practice, and we have another road game on Tuesday. We will be as ready as we can be, given the travel, etc." -- Michigan coach John Beilein on the rigors of playing on the road in the Big Ten

STRATEGY AND PERSONNEL

THIS WEEK'S GAME:

--vs. Minnesota, Jan. 22

KEY MATCHUPS: Minnesota has the size, strength and athleticism to go head-to-head with many of the Big Ten's best, but when senior G Blake Hoffarber lights it up, the scales tip significantly in the Golden Gophers' favor. Hoffarber scored 26 points in a recent win over No. 8 Purdue, hitting 10-of-15 from the field. Michigan's junior G/F Zack Novak will likely be matched up with Hoffarber for periods of this game, and the Wolverines will need every bit of defense they can get from Novak to keep Hoffarber from deciding the outcome.

FUTURES MARKET: The growing pains would be many on this, the Big Ten's youngest team, but Michigan has been surprisingly mature in some aspects of the game, thanks in large part to the steady hand of sophomore PG Darius Morris. The Los Angeles product has been one of the Big Ten's leaders in assists, and has helped Michigan to be one of the leaders nationally in protecting the ball. The Wolverines average just 11 turnovers per game through Jan. 16. With Morris running the show for the next two-and-a-half seasons, things are looking much brighter, and sooner than expected, for Michigan.

PLAYER NOTES

--Junior G/F Zack Novak had 16 points in the narrow loss to No. 2 Ohio State, hitting double figures for the ninth time this season. Novak went 4-of-5 from outside the 3-point arc.

--Junior G Stu Douglass has played in every game in his Michigan career (85), and set a personal-best with 10 rebounds in the recent loss to Kansas.

--Sophomore PG Darius Morris is tied for the Big Ten lead with 7.3 assists per game, and is fourth nationally in assists. He had seven assists in the overtime loss to No. 3 Kansas, playing 43 minutes.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 7:24 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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This will surely be the limp bizkit to this recruitapalooza day.

2013 resolution - make it onto the 2014 favorite MGoPosters post, not ironically
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January 22nd, 2011 at 7:49 PM | I am very confident Michigan (Score:1)
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I am very confident Michigan pulls out a win tonight. After losing to the top 3 teams in the nation by a total of 14 points, I don't see them losing six in a row. It is hard to win games on the road when your inexperienced. Only bad game they've played at home was against Purdue. Plus Michigan has beat Minnesota the last 4 times they have met.

I'll say Michigan wins 61-55. Minnesota is 1-3 on the road. Also look for Stu to have a big night.

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January 23rd, 2011 at 2:18 PM | Ugh, well losing to the #19 (Score:1)
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Ugh, well losing to the #19 team in the country by 5 is not that bad.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 7:47 PM | We have handled (Score:1)
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Minnesota extremely well in the Tubby and Belein era and I really don't see tonight being any different

"It's a perfect day to be a Michigan Wolverine." - David Merritt

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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:06 PM | Early Lloyd Brady (Score:1)
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Early Lloyd Brady sighting...it's gonna be a good night.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:49 PM | We gotta get (Score:1)
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that kid on Mgoblog.

From the Red Cedar Message Board:  "God hates us."  Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does.  Everyone hates you.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:07 PM | lets get the w then take that (Score:1)
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lets get the w then take that momentum into the bres

This is Michigan Fer Godsakes, We win Sugar Bowls here

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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:13 PM | nice to see an early lead (Score:1)
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nice to see an early lead lets keep it going and smash the gophers back into their hole

This is Michigan Fer Godsakes, We win Sugar Bowls here

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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:24 PM | May (Score:1)
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Not win another game this year. Miss Manny.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:14 PM | Is there a live stream (Score:1)
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Is there a live stream anywhere?

UM football is my heroine

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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:31 PM | This is the only one I've found (Score:1)
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and I can't get it to work.

 

http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/51027-NCAA-Basketball-Jan-17-23-Streaming

daveheal.com

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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:22 PM | Morris has really struggled lately (Score:1)
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And Mbakwe is just killing us

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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 PM | Uggh (Score:1)
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Hard to believe that was the best look we could get on the last play before the half. At least we are keeping it close.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 8:55 PM | what was the maize rage (Score:1)
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what was the maize rage chanting while mbakwe  was shooting free-throws?

Wherever you go, Go Blue!

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 PM | Please JB, play some zone!  (Score:1)
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Please JB, play some zone!  1-3-1 press defense is a wonderful thing and it was kinda your trademark when you got to AA.

 

 

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 PM | Tim Doyle (Score:1)
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has no dignity.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:10 PM | Not a good start for the (Score:1)
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Not a good start for the second half (should I be surprised anymore?)...

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. 

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:15 PM | Now that the fab 5 never (Score:1)
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Now that the fab 5 never existed, we can make excuses about how we can never win with such youth

I want to be the man Fred Jackson says I am

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:22 PM | Who's been more disappointing (Score:1)
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Who's been more disappointing lately? Morgan or Morris?

And just as I posted that Morgan gets a nice dunk!

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. 

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:56 PM | Uuuhhh, how about (Score:1)
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Smotrych----or in Morris' case, basically everyone else.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 PM | The amount of fouls called on (Score:1)
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The amount of fouls called on defenders that are playing straight up and have offensive players up into them are absurd. It goes both ways, but this year Michigan gets the bad end of these calls because they're so young.

"That broke a lot of Irish hearts. Now isn't that too bad?" - Bo

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:36 PM | Novak...that was just pretty. (Score:1)
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Novak...that was just pretty.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:37 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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Lloyd Brady gets some FaceTime again. I like where this is going.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:39 PM | Lloyd Brady (Score:1)
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This kid never ceases to amaze me. How does he do it?

Life and Loss with Michigan Basketball

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:05 PM | Your avatar is going to give me nightmares. (Score:1)
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For months, possibly.

 

 

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:39 PM | The game's kind of close, but (Score:1)
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The game's kind of close, but I just feel like we have no chance.

/utterly pessimistic after the last five games

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 PM | Not pessimistic, (Score:1)
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just objective. Let's face it. We are bad. Really bad. Hopefully next year will be better once all these young guys have some experience.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 PM | Does every team we face shoot (Score:1)
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Does every team we face shoot lights out?

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:53 PM | Yes (Score:1)
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When you have no post defense.  Also, 30 rebounds vs 10 rebounds. 

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:04 PM | I would bet a dollar (Score:1)
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That no team has ever won a college basketball game in the last ten years with less than 15 rebounds.  You can't win playing this way.  This is absurd.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 PM | Our defense is embarrassing. (Score:1)
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Our defense is embarrassing. What's new?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. 

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:56 PM | ten years (Score:1)
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I think that is how long it has been since we have had a reason to throw the ball into the post. Painful to watch.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:56 PM | Sorry, guys, but this is a (Score:1)
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Sorry, guys, but this is a 9th place team in the Big Ten this season. We're staring 1-6 in the league squarely in the face, and we haven't dealt with Illinois or Michigan State yet. Our only Big Ten win was a struggle for the most part against Penn State. I sadly suspect that those close losses to Ohio State and Kansas were fool's gold.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 9:57 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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Has Horford even played? I guess all the suggestions to play him with Morgan made JB so mad he decided not to play Horford at all! Could've apparently used some more size in this one.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:00 PM | This is pathetic. (Score:1)
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If Belien is still coaching this team after the season I won't be surprised, but it would be funny and more contradiction from our athletic director.

Oh how I hate ohio state...

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:04 PM | I don't understand this team. (Score:1)
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I mean I don't understand what it is that Beilein is trying to do with this team.  I don't understand what they are trying to run at either end of the floor.  Can somebody explain what the Beilein Offense is?  What is the Beilein Defense? 

I see that we have some guys with some talent, and I see that they are young and all.  But honestly, I don't see any evidence whatsoever of Beilein on the floor.  I see our guys playing up to the level of some good teams (KU, OSU) and down to the level of other teams (Minnesota, tonight), and always just good enough to stay close, but lose. 

The maturity and composure gap between us an OSU was massive, even though our guys really played hard that night.  Sure they had some upperclassmen like Diebler and Lighty, but they put some youth on the floor too.  And we've got guys like Douglass and Novak so we are not all underclassmen.

But yeah, for some reason Brandon really likes Beilein.  Maybe they need to have ther own review meeting after our last NIT game.

 

 

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:06 PM | we're not making the (Score:1)
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NIT

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:15 PM | Talent Level (Score:1)
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No comparison btwn us and OSU on talent or experience level.  You are comparing us to the no. 1 ranked b-ball team in the land.  We start three freshmen and two juniors and have no experienced big men.  We are at least two years away from being a good big ten basketball team.  Need more talent, especially in terms of big men.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 PM | Well, you are right. (Score:1)
Section 1
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And I can't argue; OSU might just do MSU worse than they did us.  Of course, if we had lost to OSU but were .500 in the Conference, this thread might be a lot different.

And while Horford has to be an encouragement to everybody, you're right about our needing some good, big bodies. 

But having granted all of that, I still don't see what it is that Beilein is doing with this team.  Should we be losing to IU and Minnesota?  Should we struggle with with PSU?

If we have guys that are undersized next to whoever mans up with them on the floor, we don't seem to turn that to our advantage at all.  We don't run the floor except if by accident.  And if we are in a half-court game, I don't understand wht the guys are supposed to be doing on offense.  I just don't see anything other than some decent but not exceptional talent, with no real sign of having been coached to play any particular fundamental way.

 

 

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:54 PM | Actually, we start (Score:1)
redwhiteandMGOBLUE
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We start three freshmen and two juniors

Actually, we start

3 freshmen - Smotrycz, Morgan and Hardaway Jr.

1 sophmore - Morris

1 junior - Novak

Not that it makes a difference

New Oldsmobiles are in early this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIdGxR-aU6o

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:13 PM | So close (Score:1)
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So close, yet so far away.  Really thought they were going to pull this one out.  Please stop the slide soon.

Semper Fidelis!

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:32 PM | reverse the curse (Score:1)
BlueHeart
Joined: 11/18/2009
MGoPoints: -14

When are we going to get rid of Adidas?  I mean this is the only thing holding us back from greatness right?  Can we start some kind of movement to get rid of this crap or what?  Can't Ross buy out our contract and get back on board with Nike? 

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:42 PM | Set the alarm on your wristwatch (Score:1)
Section 1
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for 2016.

 

 

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January 22nd, 2011 at 11:01 PM | Lame (Score:1)
BlueHeart
Joined: 11/18/2009
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Can we please start some kind of MGOBLOG movement and get rid of this contract?  I want to wear Maize again.  Not some kind of freaky yellow. 

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January 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 PM | Michigan's "maize" morphed over many years. (Score:1)
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I don't think that there was any appreciable Pantone change by adidas.  We became more "neon" in the years up to and through the Nike contract.  The new, more neonish "maize" photographs better; it shows better on television, in my view.  It's evolutionary.  I don't mind it a bit.  If anybody can tell the difference between Nike maize and adidas maize, your eyes are sharper than mine.

Mid-70's (Rest in Peace, Rob Lytle):

 

Penultimate year of Michigan's Nike contract, 2006:

 

2010, and adidas:

 

 

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January 23rd, 2011 at 12:53 AM | Not nitpicking (Score:1)
goblueritzy92
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but that Manningham catch was in 2005.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:36 PM | What's the score? (Score:1)
Princetonwolverine
Joined: 10/10/2010
MGoPoints: 2276

What's the score?

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 PM | My concern is... Belein has done less (Score:1)
sjs1984
Joined: 06/17/2009
MGoPoints: 169

with more than RR.  He has had more time to bring in talent... and quite honestly his recruiting classes have given us little to be excited about.

Hopefully this very young, determined team keeps working hard, but it is becoming more and more evident that working hard is not the issue.  It is a lack of skill set, either from a coaching perspective or from poor recruiting that is hurting this team. 

How long are we supposed to wait?

Remember: Everyone rises to their own level of mediocrity.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 PM | You're going to have to wait (Score:1)
ckersh74
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You're going to have to wait until we get facilities **looking mainly at the practice facility being built**, and the upcoming renovation of Crisler. We're well behind the curve here, and it's going to take time to catch up. To believe much of anything else is delusional at best.

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January 22nd, 2011 at 11:06 PM | Facilities, smacilities (Score:1)
umumum
Joined: 01/06/2011
MGoPoints: 262

Yes, our facilities almost certainly hurt our recruiting the very premier players vis-a-vis Kentucky, UNC, MSU etc.  But our facilities are comparable or better than many schools with much stronger programs right now---Butler, Notre Dame, Villanova, Gonzaga come quickly to mind. I'd like to think Michigan recruits itself to an extent, and that players are more likely to choose a school based upon the coach and the "program". Let's keep the facilities excuse in perspective.

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