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January 15th, 2011 at 8:46 PM
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MBB vs. Indiana Open Thread

Go Blue, beat IU!

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  • Michigan attempts to end its three game losing streak
  • Novak and Douglass return to their home state

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After beginning the season 9-2, Tom Crean’s Indiana squad has since hit a slide, dropping its last six contests. After two tough losses at the Las Vegas Classic to Northern Iowa (67-61) and Colorado (78-69), the Hoosiers have lost each of their fi rst four Big Ten contests to Penn State (69-60), Ohio State (85-67), Minnesota (67-63) and Northwestern (93-81). Indiana holds a 9-8 overall record (0-4 Big Ten).

Under John Beilein, the Wolverines are 2-2 against the Hoosiers, with the teams splitting their matchups last season. In 2009-10, Michigan fell at Assembly Hall in their Big Ten opener, 71-65 (Dec. 31), but came away victorious in Ann Arbor, 69-45 (Jan. 14). This season, the Hoosiers are led by sophomore Christian Watford, who leads Indiana with 16.4 points and 5.6 rebounds per game.


  • Michigan will play three of its next four games, and expanding further fi ve of its next seven, on the road, starting with a game at Indiana (Jan. 15). Michigan had played 10 of its last 11 games in Crisler Arena, going 7-3 at home in that stretch.
  • Three of Michigan's six losses this season have come against three of top-fi ve ranked programs in the nation. U-M lost by just three to No. 4 Syracuse (53-50), lost by seven in overtime to No. 3 Kansas (67-60) and by just four to No. 2 Ohio State (68-64).
  • In conference play, Michigan is shooting a league-best 89.2 percent (33-of-37) from the free throw line in Big Ten games and is 47-of-54 (87 percent) over the last five games.
  • Overall, Michigan is second in the Big Ten in free-throw percentage (73.1 percent) and has two players in the top-10 in the conference in free-throw percentage. Tim Hardaway Jr. is eighth in the conference (81.5 percent) while Darius Morris ranks 10th in the league (76.8 percent).
  • U-M coach John Beilein needs to coach 15 more games to reach 1,000 total contests in his 33-year career. At the current pace, the 1,000th game will be the Wolverines' opening game at the 2011 Big Ten Tournament.
  • With 131 three-point fi eld goals, Stu Douglass is eighth all-time at U-M. Douglass needs four to move into seventh (Glen Rice, 135).
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January 15th, 2011 at 8:48 PM
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Go Blue

Beat IU!

If they put up a big win here, then they should have some huge momentum moving on. If not, then thsoe three close losses to really good teams start to look like past years, wherein we played as well as any opponent... or as poorly.

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January 15th, 2011 at 8:54 PM
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Assembly Hall .  . .

Assembly Hall .  . . shudder.  This place has been a house of horrors for us.  We've got some demons to exorcise. 

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January 15th, 2011 at 8:59 PM
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Good thing

Housh dropped that pass in the Ravens/Steelers game.  That's gonna wrap up just in time.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:01 PM
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I didn't know David Merritt

I didn't know David Merritt did the radio broadcast. Seems like he has done pretty well for himself.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:02 PM
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Stream

Link to a free stream (non torrent) anyone?

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:24 PM
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did u have to sign up to pay

did u have to sign up to pay for that stream torrent thing?

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:51 PM
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Don't pay!

That site is fake. ST expires every year and until the '11 update you have to trick it to thinking it's 2010. You can do this by just changing the clock on your computer when you open it.

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January 16th, 2011 at 2:50 AM
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Jim Jackson did the OSU game

Jim Jackson did the OSU game but your sentiment still applies.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:05 PM
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Blue boy johnson
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I don't have a good feeling

I don't have a good feeling about this one. Saturday night in Assembly Hall in years gone by would be a loss. We will see how these frosh do.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:06 PM
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Cream the Crean!

I hate these guys.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:09 PM
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1-3-1

giving up boards like always.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:31 PM
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They are playing man, near as

They are playing man, near as I can tell.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:35 PM
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somewittyname
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Opened the game

in 1-3-1. Clearly switching to man hasn't helped our rebounding though.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:10 PM
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If Morgan can hit that shot,

If Morgan can hit that shot, he will be a very good college player on offense.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:12 PM
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The IU crowd cheering

The IU crowd cheering like they just won the NCAA tournament after every basket gets annoying pretty fast.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:51 PM
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Why? That's what should happen at basketball games. I think it's normal.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:56 PM
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I just think it's

I just think it's a little over the top to be doing it for the first bucket of a game, and every basket within the first 5 minutes, especially when the game featues two unranked opponents.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:34 PM
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Bummer. I like it - - - It's

Bummer. I like it - - - It's called "fandom." You wouldn't happen to be one of those "down in front" alums would you?!?!

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:15 PM
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bryemye
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Beilein needs to scream at

Beilein needs to scream at these kids and tell them to rebound better. This is ridiculous on defense.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:17 PM
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I like Michigan's blue uni's

 just the right amount of accent. Also Indiana sucks and their jerseys look like a Middle School effort. It is 2011, try something different for god's sake.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:18 PM
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can't win

if you can't rebound

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:18 PM
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Hardaway Jr. is going to be a

Hardaway Jr. is going to be a stud.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:25 PM
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He is very attractive.

He is very attractive.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:20 PM
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Wow do we look flat.

Wow do we look flat.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:22 PM
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said it before

and I'll say it again... Douglass just hasn't progressed like I thought he might have after his freshman season

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:26 PM
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Why do our players look

Why do our players look terrified?

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:28 PM
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Indiana is not a good team at

Indiana is not a good team at all. We should be dominating this game.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:30 PM
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Dominate is a strong word but

Dominate is a strong word but we have to be better than this. We look scared and flat. Missing shots I can accept but getting outhustled and throwing the ball around like a hot potato is really frustrating.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:28 PM
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this is pathetic

guys look like they didn't prep for this game

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:30 PM
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We look tentative and

We look tentative and disorganized.  

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:30 PM
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Hmm

I like that our team always adjusts strong in the second half, especially against tough competition, but it would be more encouraging if we just started a game strong for once too.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:30 PM
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With 8 min in the 1st, this

With 8 min in the 1st, this is fucking ugly.   We have played so well against some top-flight teams, losing nailbiters, and here we are playing a shitty Indiana team and just stinking up the joint.

C'mon Blue, get it together.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:32 PM
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Road

O big ten road games you never come easy.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:32 PM
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not to pile on

but I don't think you can win consistently in the big ten playing this style of offense.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:35 PM
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Just stop watching our

Just stop watching our basketball team. It is obvious you don't like anything about them. You said the exact same thing about our offense when we were taking Kansas into overtime. But I guess you are right....if it can only hang with the top teams in the nation, why would we think it could win the B10?

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January 16th, 2011 at 9:36 AM
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Indiana sucks

and they are blowing us out.  We play decent at home, but this team will be lucky to win more than 6 games in the Big Ten.  Good thing Nebraska joins next year that should help.

How does JB get a vote of confidence from DB?  He has a ton of talent in his back yard that he doesn't/can't recruit (sans CB), he's terrible in conference, his team is young.  Damn that sounds familiar except for the having a ton of talent in your backyard part. Oh yeah, he is also  in his fourth year.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:37 PM
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Isn't that the Michigan way?

Playing a style of offense brought over by a former WVU coach that just doesn't cut it in the B1G Ten?

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January 16th, 2011 at 12:38 PM
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Wow...some peeps really did

Wow...some peeps really did not like this comment! The boards are particularly sensitive today! 

+1 for making a comment that pretty much summarizes how many people feel about the whole WVU to UM coaching transition.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:37 PM
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Live and Die by the 3.

Live and Die by the 3.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:44 PM
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Agreed. We should go to

Agreed. We should go to McLimans and Morgan more because they are amazing on the blocks.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:33 PM
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How is this the same team who

How is this the same team who played such good defense against Kansas?

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:36 PM
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To be honest, I thought that

To be honest, I thought that it was more a lack of execution on Kansas' part rather than our good defense.  

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:34 PM
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I'm really starting to get frustrated...

with our inability to start strong in ANY game practically this year...

This IU team is NOT good and we are making them look like Kansas.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:35 PM
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We have practically already

We have practically already put ourselves out of reach in this game in the first half with that And 1... 

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:35 PM
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It doesn't help that

It doesn't help that IU is also getting every bounce/break/roll/call/etc.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:35 PM
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We are getting fucking blown

We are getting fucking blown out now by the same shitty Indiana team.   What the fuck?  Pull it together guys.  I hate this inconsistency.  

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:38 PM
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Now that we're down by double digits in the first half...

for what seems like the past 5 games, we should start turning it over and bombing ugly 3's right abouuuuuuut.... now.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:37 PM
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Ugh

Right now we look like an underclassman-dominated team on the road.  Time to grow up.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:38 PM
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I would just like to add that

I would just like to add that Morgan is absolutely horrendous.  We need a big man.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:39 PM
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I knew I should have

put money on Indiana

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:40 PM
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Bah

Our offense looks like Greg Robinson is coaching them

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:41 PM
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I haven't been watching at

I haven't been watching at all, which apparently is a good thing.  Any particular reason we have 11 points right now?  Just general suck?

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:07 PM
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The reliance on Morris

to create opportunities late in the clock seems to mirror the reliance on Harris to create late in the clock from last year.

That is a broad brush, but in this offense, I think Morris dribbles too much. If this were more like a drive and kick offense, I could definitely see Morris doing that; however, the O is quick reversals, back cuts and more reversals. Spacing is good, which allows Morris to dribble more than he ought, but their cuts and screens off the cuts is what is vexing me right now.

Their cuts serve no purpose except when they back cut off of overplays. Defenses don't really have to deny passes to our guys or overplay because when one of our guys gets the ball, other teams can keep them in front of them without the need for help.

The book is pretty easy on Michigan right now. It will get better and the book won't be as easy to read

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:41 PM
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lookin like poop

that is all.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:43 PM
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Why can't we put Horford out

Why can't we put Horford out there with McLimans or Morgan against bigger teams?  We always have 4 sprites out there with just our 1 "big".  Pathetic.

EDIT: I'm sorry I'm so fucking negative right now... it is just killing me to watch this horrible basketball for what seems like forever.  Even when we are in "close" games it seems like we don't play very well.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:42 PM
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That was a shitty fucking

That was a shitty fucking call on that D Morris charge.   Good lord. WTF.

Got a Netflix DVD of The Pacific sitting here.   Gonna kick that off sooner than expected.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:42 PM
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worst team in the league

at allowing opponent FT's and we have 0, because we settle for off balance jumpers and play offense 35 feet from the basket.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:43 PM
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??

Is there a reason why beilein pulled Hardaway Jr. and sat him? Is there a reason why mclimans is in? Also, the lineup consisting of Morris, Douglass, Vogrich, Novak, and one of the 3 bigs is never going to work, period.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:44 PM
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Fouls

Fouls

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:58 PM
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Yes

About a thousand of them

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:44 PM
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My blood pressure needs a

My blood pressure needs a break. To the NFL game we go.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:44 PM
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indiana

not the best looking students

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:44 PM
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I can't begin to tell you how

I can't begin to tell you how irritated I get when Morris over dribbles. Who the hell is going to go for his shoulder fake to the left. The whole world knows he is going to his right.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:44 PM
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for some reason this UM makes

for some reason this UM makes this place like Cameron Indoor...IU sucks guys!!! come on!!

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:53 PM
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our offense is making one of

our offense is making one of the worst  defeneses in the big ten look really good.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:44 PM
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We have 11 points...

... because we are sucking it up.

Poor execution, bad shots, turnovers, no rebounds, pretty much everything.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:50 PM
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His recruiting big men is

His recruiting big men is just fine. A little bit of bad luck....combined with us being extremely young and you have a bad presence down low.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:58 PM
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Offense

I don't know if most of the cuts are supposed to be flex cuts or simply fill cuts, but I think it's fairly easy to play man against this offense simply because most of the cuts aren't threatening.

WVU's offense was predicated on a ton of back cuts and flex cuts; they also had physical players who could shoot and get to where they wanted on the floor off the ball.

This really is WVU 'lite' and until Michigan gets more players who can go inside as well as be a threat on the outside, you're going to see what seems like 20 passes per possession that don't take a player closer to the basket or serve a purpose other than to simply reverse the ball to set up the next cut to the top of key.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:45 PM
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Michigan vs Indiana/ Ed

Michigan vs Indiana/ Ed Hightower  

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:47 PM
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quinn buckner

is beyond annoying

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:56 PM
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Agreed

I feel like I'm watching a completely different game than this guy.   One of the things I hate about BTN is they get obviously biased commentators to announce the games.  We get it; you were undefeated...

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:47 PM
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We are on pace to score like

We are on pace to score like 30 points, against Indiana.  You boys better step it up in the second half!

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:48 PM
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I love how the announcer just

I love how the announcer just pronounced making like 1 free throw a "mini run."

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:49 PM
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Why are we standing around so

Why are we standing around so much?  There should be more movement away from the ball.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:58 PM
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Isn't that kinda what we've done the past several years? Play 30 feet from the hoop, go one-on-one, and play perimeter ball???

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:49 PM
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Morris can't fu*king buy a

Morris can't fu*king buy a basket! Time to turn on the NFL

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:55 PM
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Glad to see

i am notthe only one getting upset I really expected much better play.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:50 PM
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(No subject)

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:55 PM
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I'll raise

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:51 PM
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Damn ..

Horrible foul calls, no offense, Indiana hitting all their shots, no rebounds and thank god this half is over.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:53 PM
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Don't blame the refs. This game has been evenly called and UM has gotten some breaks. Blame Belein and the players. They are mentally not in this game.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:40 PM
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at 6:48 in the 2nd

at 6:48 in the 2nd half:

UM: 15 fouls

IU: 14 fouls

Pretty evenly called game...

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:17 PM
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Its not all the refs but ...

they haven't helped.  Indiana is playing aggressive defense on Morris and not getting called for the bumps and hand checking but Smotrycz has got 3 bump fouls.  Not the refs fault they can't hit a jumper but its got to be effecting how they're playing defense.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:51 PM
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How is Tom Crean so tan?

How is Tom Crean so tan?

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:53 PM
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He got the new

Herbstreit spray tan... available only at wal-mart.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:52 PM
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mcclimans

I am sure he is a nice guy... but this speaks to the problem with this team.  He is not a big ten caliber player.  Beilein's recruiting has lacked any post players and what do we have signed for next year and the year after ... 3 more guards.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:54 PM
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He played because we're in

He played because we're in serious foul trouble.  He's not normally a member of the rotation. 

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:59 PM
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Why does everyone say he

Why does everyone say he hasn't recruited any post players? Morgan is going to be pretty good after, you know, his redshirt fucking freshman year, Smotrycz is going to be pretty good after, you know, his fucking true freshman year, and Benzig has played really well over seas. This shit needs to stop.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:04 PM
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smotz is not a post player

he is a wing/small forward.  Just because he is 6-8 does not make him a post player.  I will give you Morgan, but that's exactly 1 guy in 5 recruiting classes counting next year.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:25 PM
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You have apparently forgotten

You have apparently forgotten about Benzig and Cronin. For someone who has followed Michigan basketball for so long, I would think you would know about those 2. I think Beilein is trying not to get any big men though. I hear he told Amir Williams to go fuck himself because he wouldn't fit in at Michigan.  I agree though, all of our guys should be dominating as redshirt freshmen.

I also hear that true freshmen like Smotryz are not allowed to put on any weight. He will stay exactly like he is for his 4 years here.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:42 PM
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cronin

was a project at best, and he didn't land benzing, so really there is nothing to talk about as far as he goes.  It's all about who you bring in.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:54 PM
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Worst case scenario certainly

Worst case scenario certainly played out. It all starts with being unable to match IU intensity. I see no way IU lets this one slip away.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:54 PM
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That might have been the

That might have been the worst half of basketball I have ever watched.  Ever.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:03 PM
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The Duke game under Ellerbe

The Duke game under Ellerbe where we fell behind 34-2 was worse.  But this is not much better.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:06 PM
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I still remember that

Duke scored on 16 of their first 18 possessions, it was like a clinic.

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January 16th, 2011 at 9:50 AM
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Major difference

Duke was good. Indiana is 9-8 overall and 0-4 the Big Ten.  Good thing we loaded up on cupcakes early or this team would have a hard time getting to the teens in wins.  This is JBs fourth year isn't it?  Please recruit Detroit.  One player in four years just doesn't cut it with all the talent there.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:07 PM
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Yep

Pretty sure my daughter's 1st grade game at 7:00 AM this morning was better than this.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:56 PM
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We did not weather that

We did not weather that intensity. For god's sake that was awful. I need whiskey. Beilein needs whiskey. Shit, our players probably need whiskey but they're not old enough.

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January 15th, 2011 at 9:59 PM
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no

whiskey but I will head to the beer fridge.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:00 PM
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This closely resembles me watching this game...

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:23 PM
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Pussy.

Pussy.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:08 PM
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All You Want

Yes, I'm on the whiskey all you want bandwagon for the rest of the night.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:00 PM
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Wow we are getting dominated.

Wow we are getting dominated. The first 10 minutes though EVERY shot that Indiana missed took a huge bounce and bounced right out back to them. But still ...we shouldn't be down this much at half to this team.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:02 PM
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so when does spring practice start

watching another half of this might cause me to throw a cat or something.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:05 PM
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I really dont

know what is worse our plat or quinn buckner.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:06 PM
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sorry I

meant play.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:07 PM
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option c

always choose hightower

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:26 PM
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Perry

I would definitely take Perry the Platypus over Buckner.

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January 17th, 2011 at 12:17 AM
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Gawdawful play of Michigan aside,

I had all but forgotten about Buckner.  I'm half-listening to the commentary and thinking who is this irritant, then it dawns on me.  Still completely in the bag for IU--and I don't think that's true of any of the other BTN analysts and their schools--and much of his critique of Mich was, in reality, a critique of Beilein's system--though I'm not sure he kinows what it is.  I think even Bobby has evolved more than Buckner, plus Bobby is a vastly superior analyst--dickishness aside.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:07 PM
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Morris is going all Manny on us instead of running the

offense.  This is not the first time he has done this.  Everyone stands around on offense and watches him dripple the ball for 20 seconds.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:10 PM
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agree that this happens

but some of this is on the other players as well.  

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:09 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing

more pick n rolls with hardaway.  I like his ability to pull up and hit a jumper.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:12 PM
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Ditto

A2, unfortunately, that is not on B's play calling card. The 2 man game would be tough to defend especially with a shooter setting the screen to either roll or pop out.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:12 PM
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I didn't know we were playing

I didn't know we were playing Duke tonight I though Indiana was scheduled!?

But seriously, we are making them look like a top ten team.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:13 PM
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morgan was wide open on the block

been a couple guys inside wide open that we have missed

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:15 PM
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is it me or is buckner

actually rooting for Indiana?

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:19 PM
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I kinda

caught that when he made the and 1 comment

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:25 PM
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what's all the negbanging about

if someone has something against what I am saying then come out and say it, don't just blanket neg every post

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:29 PM
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I can't blame Quinn Buckner;

he's one of the great Hoosiers in IU history.  Anyway, Michigan has not given him one thing to talk about.

David Brandon seems to genuinely adore Jim Beilein.  I wonder what he's seeing.  This is an awful game.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:29 PM
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I think that speaks a lot

to the administrations perception of the role of MBB in the grand scheme of things.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:37 PM
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Section 1
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I've actually heard Brandon talk a little about it;

off the record.

No surprise, Brandon thinks (as most do) that college basketball recruiting is generally dirty.  As Brian Cook would say, as dirty as a dirt sandwich with extra dirt.  And I think that Brandon just loves the notion that Beilein is a national paragon of cleanlines.  And it sort of ends there.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:45 PM
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lots of guys do it without being

john calipari.  We shouldn't be afraid to hire a top notch coach just because of what happened 14 years ago.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:49 PM
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Section 1
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wtf?

why are you getting negged?

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:02 PM
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jmblue

is on a crusade against me.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:22 PM
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Section 1
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me too, I gather...

I consider it good company.

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January 16th, 2011 at 5:54 PM
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jmblue
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Huh?

That wasn't me.

And Section 1, I've got nothing against you, except to say that your Pavlovian response to every article written by the Free Press is a little silly.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:16 PM
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this is becoming hard to

this is becoming hard to watch

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:17 PM
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It's Hard When....

.....you're going to keep fouling people on inbound passes. Not only is it difficult to win, but you give Indiana a lot of practice making inbound passes.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:18 PM
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If IU hits 60 points

this game is over.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:24 PM
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At The Current Rate...

.....that will be right after this commercial break, possibly during the last commercial in this break. Come on, Blue, somebody start nailing some threes......

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:18 PM
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Watch the cuts

Indiana, when making a cut, looks for the ball and goes hard toward the basket. On cuts off the ball for Blue, they rarely look for the ball or cut to the basket. They just go to spots to maintain floor balance. So, they have that going for them.

Defensive intensity is picking up...

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:23 PM
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Scratch that

No help, pretty sad.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:19 PM
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Is that the lowest score for M

in first halves this year?  I'm just asking now because it hasn't gotten much better.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:22 PM
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the long

periods with out scoring are to hard to overcome but and we seem to do this every game.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:20 PM
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DId Novak really try to trip

DId Novak really try to trip that guy?

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:20 PM
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My God

I can't even handle watching this right now. This insane homer announcer is pusing me over the edge.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:20 PM
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How I feel in picture form

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:20 PM
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Seriously???

This is what year 4 of the Beilein era brings???

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:23 PM
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Don't forget...

This is also an IU team that has lost SIX straight games.

Boom.

Roasted.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:32 PM
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Don't Forget

After this game Michigan will be 11-7.

After this game their losses will have come against*:

#2 OSU

#3 Kansas
#4 Syracuse

#8 Purdue

#21 Wisconsin

UTEP

and Indiana.

Looking at this team before the season, did ANYONE expect them to be as good as a ranked team? No. That considered, the only losses anyone should even get a little upset about are UTEP and Indiana.

 

*rankings as of this week. Duke lost, so these will change.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:50 PM
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This is why I am frustrated

"Looking at this team before the season, did ANYONE expect them to be as good as a ranked team? No."

This sentence is why I am frustrated.  I would have thought in year four of any coach at an institution like Michigan, fans would have expected a ranked team.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:27 PM
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yeah

In the 2005-2006 season Michigan was ranked 20th. This was the first time they had been ranked since 8 years before that. Clearly this is an elite program and its totally Beilein's fault that we can't expect to be ranked.

 

I guess I forgot the sarcasm tag on this one...

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:23 AM
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Why don't you do the same for our wins

That's right we haven't beaten anybody. Our best win is Clemson or PSU who we struggled to beat at home. IU is one of the worst teams in the Big Ten and they kicked our a**. I know the team is young, but that isn't necessarily a deterrent in hoops.

It was interesting when they were talking about JB working with Morgan on the 17 foot jumper.  I have two issues with this-  when he's on the floor he's generally our only post threat so lets move him away from the basket (0 rebounds the first ten minutes) and maybe JB should spend time working with the guys launching the threes we shoot a ton of them and make very few. 

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:21 PM
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Have you noticed how often when we shoot an outside

shot, everybody heads back down court to play defense and no one goes to the boards

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:22 PM
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Keep going to the 1-3-1

Killing Michigan off the dribble in their man to man.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:25 PM
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You're right

but man to man is predicated on help, too. If the help isn't there (see #4 weave thru 3 guys and slam it with no one around him), it's going to be tough.

Have to have more length to play the 1-3-1 well. Michigan doesn't have it.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:22 PM
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great defense

some guys look disinterested

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:22 PM
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I'm so depressed... ugh.  

I'm so depressed... ugh.  

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:30 PM
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you can

try whiskey or beer that may help.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:22 PM
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GOD DAMN

First there is a blatant travel on the "power hop" then the next possesion the guy takes 2 steps. Call an effing travel!

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:24 PM
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Watching this, flicking to GB-ATL

Has turned into watching GB-ATL, flicking to this.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:41 PM
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Got sucked back in again

P.S. Matty Ice just threw a godawful pick 6 to end the 1st half

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:28 PM
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that was like 8 seconds

thought they would never call it

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:29 PM
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If you are at this game, its

If you are at this game, its your Fandom Endurance III badge, basketball edition.  

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:33 PM
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as made obvious by, you know

Dave Brandon saying he fully supported the direction the program was going and looked forward to where beilein would take the program in the future, right?

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:49 PM
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Facilities

Glick Field House + Oosterbaan + 2 outdoor practice fields > having to practice in the shit-hole that is Crisler. How do you recruit to that when MSU is just down the road repping a very nice practice facility? Hopefully the new player develpment center helps this out. I say give him a few years with the new facilities and then evaluate him.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:30 PM
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I would love to see

I would love to see an actual fast break run the right way with players filling appropriate lanes and going to the rim instead of hanging back for three pointers.  When you are down 20, 2 points work just as well as 3.  Arghhhh!!!!!!!

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:31 PM
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Guys, it's okay to take a

Guys, it's okay to take a shot inside the arc. 

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:32 PM
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Get to the Rim!

3 shots in the possession, all three's, all clankers with open space to the hoop.

But, 2 offensive rebounds and lots of gritty play.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:34 PM
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If nothing else, this game is

If nothing else, this game is unfolding very similarly to the game here two years ago, in which we rallied and won in OT.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:34 PM
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Time for Tim Hardaway to take

Time for Tim Hardaway to take ova

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:34 PM
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buckner

is the one that sounds nervous.... all the giddy laughing like a school girl has been replaced with nervous announcing.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:37 PM
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That's what happens when you

That's what happens when you don't settle for 3's!

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:37 PM
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we need some stops

lets go

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:37 PM
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I turned on the tv and we are

I turned on the tv and we are catching up.  Not moving from this couch

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:37 PM
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This team

is much better in transition, not in the half court. I think with this group they should run a ton more than they do. They have the legs and athleticism.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:38 PM
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it's time

it's time to complete the end of the WVU coaches. Our B ball team isn't cutting it. Let's give him the ax like RR and be done with it. Time for another coaching search DB

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:41 PM
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I like to overreact too!

I like to overreact too! ANGAR!

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:47 PM
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Can we retire "ANGAR"?  It's

Can we retire "ANGAR"?  It's annoying.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:50 PM
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I guess that's true. I'll do

I guess that's true. I'll do my best to phase it out of my vocabulary, but it is a good substitute for "derp" every once in a while...

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January 16th, 2011 at 1:05 AM
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Agree. It's almost as played as "touched."

Our hoops team really isn't getting it done. It's disappointing. We need to see how the rest of the year shakes out before drawing conclusions, however.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:45 PM
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With all due respect

you're wrong. Beilein is a good coach. I don't know why they don't run a few more sets on offense.

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January 16th, 2011 at 1:06 AM
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I'm sick of not getting to the rim at all

Or rebounding, etc. When you're streaky it is tough to watch sometimes.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:38 PM
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douglass

with yet another night to forget

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:41 PM
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Stu = regression

Best year was his Fr year. Just needs to be a spot up in the corner or wing. He can shoot off screens but he is a spot up shooter.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:43 PM
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No, he's easily having his

No, he's easily having his best season this year.  Unfortunately, he's been in a slump over the past week or so.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:50 PM
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Let me rephrase

On stats, it's nearly a push. I basing my comment more on expectations than data. He is up a point on avg but down in assist -turnover ration (lowest of the three yrs). He is up in FG% from 2 and 3, so that is good.

I just thought he'd provide a bit more than he has.

Thanks

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:53 PM
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stats say otherwise

but whatever, just keep neggin me .... loving it.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:44 PM
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I hate our fans

Now I see why a lot of opposing schools hate us. We really are that arrogant. So many people think our bball team should be the shit and gets pissed when we don't win, but not many people are willing to look into why we aren't winning. I know I may be preaching to the choir a bit here since a lot of people here are willing to be logical, but I just need to vent.

Our basketball facilities blow hard. Like a lot, but not many people are willing to acknowledge this. Most people just bitch about Beilein not getting it done and just assume that our BBall has good facilites because we are Michigan and have the best everything...Before the player development center was being built, our facilites couldn't hold a candle to MSU's. So how the hell is Beilein supposed to recruit in-state when MSU's facilities are 10x nicer?

 

I need a drink.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:49 PM
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This is a big part of it.

This is a big part of it. Talked a while ago to a girl that was being recruited by MSU (not for basketball), and they took her on a tour of everything and she said it's just absurd how nice everything is.

It's really unfortunate how neglected our bball facilities have been, but it just wasn't a focus there for a while. Once the player development center is done and we get some much needed improvements to Crisler I think it will be a lot easier to bring in some top talent.

And let's not forget AGAIN that this team is insanely young, and there are a couple of great players coming in again next year.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:50 PM
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don't think

I dont think anyone expects us to compete with MSU right now.  However, we shouldn't be one of the worst teams in the big ten in year 4 under JB.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:51 PM
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We've been spoiled

By that last Big Ten title in 1986.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:55 PM
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that seems

like forever ago

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:55 PM
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I don't think Beilein should

I don't think Beilein should be fired, but if people need to vent about today, let them vent.  This is a bad, bad performance - the worst of the season. 

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:47 PM
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NCAA hopes lost, NIT hopes

NCAA hopes lost, NIT hopes fading, I just hope we can pull off some big wins and go for it all next year, these guys just need more experiance, in two years we could be really good, even without Zack and Stu.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:55 PM
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Right, because the season is

Right, because the season is over and there's no way they could, you know, play well... It's not like they competed down to the wire with three undefeated teams or anything. We might as well board up Crisler until next year.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:57 PM
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relax

Everyone is frustrated.  But do you really think this team will win more than 6 big ten games?

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:00 PM
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I don't know, but the

I don't know, but the instantaneous ditching of the entire season because of one game really grinds my gears. It happens every single time we lose, and while things aren't looking great for an NCAA tourney bid right now there are all kinds of people who have already decided that the team sucks and we should fire Beilein.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:09 PM
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understandable

I get it.  I haven't really liked the Beilein hire from the get-go, but I understand people that would like to see him have more time, and he does deserve at least 5 years.  I think the overriding feeling of people that follow basketball more than catching an occasional game here and there, is that we have been in this rut, save the 08-09 season for quite a while, and we don't seem to be climbing out of it.  It's frustrating, people overreact.  

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January 16th, 2011 at 1:09 AM
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Don't see why this is negged

We legitimately aren't going to finish better than 6-9th in the conference. The B1G is really good this year, and we are young. Why we're young is another question, but it is what it is.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:59 PM
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Exactly

Its not like 4 of their 7 losses have come against top 10 teams or anything.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:56 PM
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brutal

I haven't watched a Michigan basketball game after Jan.15 in 10-15 years.Why bother, this program will never be any good.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:55 PM
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Come on

The Fab Five was young and talented, but also had coaching. We are young and talented,but the coaching is not there. We play to the competition we are playing. That is what is not acceptable

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:57 PM
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Did you just compare our

Did you just compare our current team to the Fab 5?

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January 16th, 2011 at 12:46 PM
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Ok.  That's because Belein

Ok.  That's because Belein hasn't exactly locked down top talent.  I'm obviously not saying he should be capable of brining in talent like the fab five, but he's missed out on some talented players, which is huge in basketball.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:00 PM
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One thing is not like the other

Fab Five = 4 of the 5 played in the NBA

This Five = one may play professionally if he develops a consistent jumper

Steve Fisher's main job was to make sure their shorts weren't too baggy.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:12 PM
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Steve Fisher is a very good

Steve Fisher is a very good coach.  (One would think that his having SDSU ranked in the top 10 would have made that obvious.)  His teams were always very strong defensively, especially in the post.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:23 PM
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Inference

Can I take his record of 11-18 in 04-05 and say it's obvious he's not a good coach?

I didn't say he wasn't a good coach. I said his main job was to keep their shorts up.

One would think that, wouldn't they?

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:58 PM
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The Fab Five couldn't win at

The Fab Five couldn't win at Assembly Hall either:

  • January 21, 1992: Indiana 89, U-M 74
  • February 14, 1993: Indiana 93, U-M 92

The team's performance tonight was disappointing, but Michigan almost never wins at Indiana. I think they have two wins there in the last 20 years.

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January 17th, 2011 at 12:51 AM
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All true

but this IU team ain't anything like those IU teams.  And Assembly Hall--with the refs in IU's, er Bobby's back pockets--isn't Assembly Hall anymore--that place would now be called the Kohl Center--where UW gets the exaggerated home court advantage.

We are who we are--we'll compete in a few games we probably shouldn't--and we'll look dreadful at times against teams we should beat.  And we won't really have any true idea of where we are as a program when the season ends. But it looks like Beilein has a pretty long leash.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:57 PM
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Fire Belein

He's not cutting it. Yes we are young, but come on he is not the answer

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:04 PM
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hmm.

It's tough to know what the answer is when there's been no question asked.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:06 PM
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That.

Was deep.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:09 PM
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Well, thank you!

Strangely enough, Saturday nights channel my inner Plato.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:10 PM
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I think

you just fathomed the interconnectedness of everything

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:50 PM
(Reply to #188) #207
BlueCheez
Joined: 10/30/2009
MGoPoints: 223
should have been on same bus out of town

as RR. What has he done to think this is ever going to be a good program?Or even average? How 'bout the coach from San Diego State? I hear he's pretty good.

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January 16th, 2011 at 11:08 AM
(Reply to #188) #208
bryemye
Joined: 09/14/2009
MGoPoints: 2689
Normally I would neg you for

Normally I would neg you for this but it's tough to overreact in the immediate aftermath of that level of suck. I expect you to take it back some time this week.

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January 15th, 2011 at 10:58 PM
#209
estrombe2015
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Joined: 11/04/2010
MGoPoints: 62
Morris Attitude?

Is anyone else concerned with the attitude that Morris is showing?  I feel like he never looks at Beilein when he is coaching him and is playing pretty chippy tonight.  I can't tell if he is just an emotional guy or what but I definitely do not want another situation where our best player has an attitude problem and is always at ends with the coach.

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January 16th, 2011 at 3:07 AM
(Reply to #190) #210
WorldwideTJRob
Joined: 07/05/2010
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Don't mind it at all,

Don't mind it at all, furthermore I believe some of our other players need to show some more emotion out there. Plus they were losing and he was upset by that.

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January 17th, 2011 at 12:41 AM
(Reply to #190) #211
umumum
Joined: 01/06/2011
MGoPoints: 4481
Why focus on Morris?

I appreciate that Morris' play in Big Ten play has been more forced and that he may be trying to establish his bona fides with the elite guards.  But why focus on him and let the other players skate?  Douglas can't hit anything including free throws.  And some of what Morris is doing and overdoing can probably be attributed to the inability of the others to do what they were doing against lesser competition.

I'm starting to feel as if the Morris is Manny all over again--hustling on the court but often in the doghouse.  Could it be that Beilein has trouble coaching his city players or at least his "stars"?  I hope it's just a coincidence.  Don't see Smotrycz sitting when he isn't being aggressive--which is most of the time.  I just don't see Izzo having similar problems with players like Manny and Morris.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:05 PM
#212
ltrainbighouse
Joined: 12/28/2010
MGoPoints: -13
Are you crazy

Have you noticed we never score double digits by midway through the first half. Our talent is better than that. I sick of being a laughing stock of the Big Ten in Bball. We can do better

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:10 PM
(Reply to #198) #213
BlockM
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We scored 12 within the first

We scored 12 within the first couple minutes of the game against OSU.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:11 PM
#214
ltrainbighouse
Joined: 12/28/2010
MGoPoints: -13
Indiana

Not even a game against the worst in the Big Ten. Enough is enough.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:12 PM
#215
Captain Hindsight
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Stat of the game

1st half: 15 points

2nd half: 46 points

Think of how many times we have tripled our first half scoring in the 2nd.

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January 15th, 2011 at 11:41 PM
#216
M2NASA
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Big Ten basketball is

Big Ten basketball is absolutely awful.

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January 16th, 2011 at 12:03 AM
#217
redwhiteandMGOBLUE
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Hopefully this was a trap game.

Losing two close games in a row to highly ranked teams and then have a let down in the next game, especially when you have a young team on the road, is not unheard of.

But to lose to a bad Indiana team the way we did is very disconcerting.

IU made it look easy and dominated us in every phase of the game.

Our lack of o&d rebounding is troubling.  Add to that, this offense of dribble around until there's 10 seconds left on the shot clock and then force a bad three (that usually misses and generally doesn't get rebounded) is eerily reminiscent of our bad Amaker teams.

Here's the remaining schedule:


Tue, Jan 18 at Northwestern
Sat, Jan 22 Minnesota
Thu, Jan 27 at (24) Michigan State
Sun, Jan 30 Iowa
Thu, Feb 3 at (2) Ohio State
Sun, Feb 6 at Penn State
Wed, Feb 9 Northwestern
Sat, Feb 12 Indiana
Wed, Feb 16 at (16) Illinois
Sat, Feb 19 at Iowa
Wed, Feb 23 (20) Wisconsin
Sat, Feb 26 at Minnesota
Sat, Mar 5 (24) Michigan State

Things are not looking good with seven more road games plus Wisconsin and MSU at home.

I'll admit things could change but the uninspired way we played tonight and the strength of our remaining opponents does not have me feeling very confident at the moment.

I would just like to see improvement in o/d rebounding and some semblence of an offense that doesn't have to force bad shots at the end of the shot clock.

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January 16th, 2011 at 1:20 AM
(Reply to #215) #218
mgowake
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I hope you're right

But, I think that might be just wishful thinking. Finishing anywhere from 6-9 in the big ten is possible. We really needed to get a win on the road here.

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January 16th, 2011 at 1:29 AM
(Reply to #219) #219
redwhiteandMGOBLUE
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Yeah, I'm thinking

we'll be on the lower end of that 6-9 place finish.

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January 16th, 2011 at 9:55 AM
#220
maybaum
Joined: 09/26/2010
MGoPoints: 263
I don't recall that that this team...

...has played two lousy games in a row so far this year. Next game is NU...will be tough, but winnable with the kind of effort shown against Kansas and OSU.

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January 16th, 2011 at 11:18 AM
#221
j21willy
Joined: 12/31/2010
MGoPoints: 64
This team has a lot of work to do....

After two performances against Kansas and OSU that made me think something could be with this team they go out and do this......A loss is one thing, but to lose like this is unacceptable.

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