MBB team plane accident (everyone is okay)
Our team and everyone in our travel party is safe. Update on today's travel accident.
— Michigan Basketball (@umichbball) March 8, 2017
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Well that's terrifying
This is pretty standard for winter months. I'm going to say the crew is going to be at fault for this but, I'd like to see more details.
up here. sounds like similar down there. get that crossing your runway and that has 'abort!' written all over it.. you're a pilot, aren't there FAA or FAR guidelines for days like this?
No there's no FAR's for this as there doesn't need to be. The plane was using 23L at KYIP the weather machine just broke at KYIP before takeoff most likely not due to high winds. The winds at Detroit metro were 260@31Gusting to 47kts. This is once again fairly common. On that runway the wind would have been a 23.5 kt crosswind and a 40.7 kt headwind. I'll wait to see if something broke that caused the pilots to reject a plane, which I'm guessing was above V1. If they did because they thought it was unsafe they should have made that choice with the parking brake set sitting with no one on the plane. Ameristar isn't getting the cream of the crop as far as skilled aviators are concerned.
The past few years any time I've seen Football/Basketball on charters have all been on Delta.
It just seems strange they would have gone with Ameristar in the first place. From what I can tell that MD-83 is configured for 153 basic economy seats. That's a downgrade from any spare mainline aircraft they would get from Delta and a yuuuuge downgrade from the awesome 56 seat all business configured A319s they have.
Delta is short on pilots and so are the other airlines so they're forced to go outside the box.
The HW isn't as concerning maybe but 23.5 crosswind? Isn't that very close to the crosswind limit for TO?
Aircraft have a maximum demonstrated crosswind... says the manufacturer tested the airplane to that point. It isn't a legal limit. As far as I know there are no FAA established crosswind limitations.
Commerical carriers do establish company policy and guidlines for a variety of weather conditions......crosswind component could be one of those. Violating those guidelines could be a violation of federal aviation regulations...not sure about that.
Crosswind performance is determined by the manufacturer and limits are documented in the operating manual.
The FAA has no dog in this hunt.
Thank you for including your parenthetical. It kept my heart attack to a very brief moment.
Scary attempt to get to DC but everyone is alright pic.twitter.com/gC4nJBxUDw
— Matt Shepard (@ShepMatt) March 8, 2017
I was expecting snow giving that the slide off the runway. This should get the guys awake for the game!
P.S. - I blame Brandon
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18856011/michiga…
whew
Hoping the the B10 tournament moves the game to 4pm to give them extra time to travel (by bus?). Then I can skip out of work early and make it home for the game.
I'm really glad everyone is alright.
on a secondary note, I live in South Africa where the winds are INSANE and scary as shit when flying. This is really going to do a number on my conscience during my next take off and landing.
Can confirm. I had the opportunity to fly a small light aircraft in South Africa and it was scary as shit. Port Elizabeth to Paradise Beach and back. Beautiful but windy as hell.
Port Elizabeth is exactly where I'm living and its windy as hell here. Everytime we land its an adventure but the pilots do a damned good job.
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Ha that's great! #SAIsBlue
Thanks Delany.
Hate the sack of shit as well but wouldn't we also take a plane to Indy or Chicago?
"Sack of shit"? Let's not get carried away.
Go watch the osu game. Or better yet look up the game thread, I'm sure there's similar things to that from people. And that's a PG insult compared to what I say about him away from the internet.
Fuck that guy. Neg away.
I hear you, but this could have happened if the game was scheduled in Indy or Chicago or anywhere else that required a flight. I don't this incident makes Delany a sack of shit. And I didn't neg you, fwiw.
Irrelevant. I read in the $6 ticket thread that any bad thing or something that slightly displeases me can be somehow traced back to Jim Delany.
#ThanksDelany
If it impacts more than one team then it is, in fact, Jim Delaney's fault. If it's just Michigan, then we blame Dave Brandon. However, if for some reason that fails then the blame shifts to RichRod. If we are still looking for a scapegoat, then our final answer is some combination of Chris Webber, Ed Martin, and Steve Fisher. Combined, they are responsible for all that ails us.
Except for that stupid halo around the stadium. That's totally on Bill Martin.
Man, I hope Austin Hatch wasn't on there. That'd be extra terrifying for him. I'm not sure if he's still an assistant or if he travels.
But I don't think he travels.
He is still an underdraguate assistant, but I'm not sure if he travels.
I'm here with the team, band, cheer, and dance teams. We were all wondering if Austin Hatch was with us but thankfully he didn't travel with us.
Would it be worse for Austin or at this point maybe it wouldn't even phase him. I could see both, depending on the person.
That must have been scary as hell. Glad everyone's ok.
Thanks Delaney for almost making the bb team power plant workers
Boys. Take a deep breathe and Go Blue.
like how the month of January went...
I posted this on the other weather thread, but I wanted everyone to see it again. I think it is very important to understand the genesis of this type of weather:
Glad everyone was safe. Scary stuff.
look at the barometric pressure across north America:
https://www.weather.gc.ca/data/analysis/jac00_100.gif
This is one of the lowest continental atmospheric pressures ever recorded at 964 mB, and it has already spawned severe weather including a tornado outbreak across the lower midwest on Monday. The record is from October 2010 in Minnesota (955 mB), which also spawned a huge tornado event.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2010_North_American_storm_complex
I remember looking out from my downtown apartment one night and you saw nothing but fires across the city and burbs from all the high winds.
I already had to put my mom's garbage can and parts of her gutter in the garage. Heard on the radio that the soft ground from our rather mild, yet rainy winter is making the trees more susceptible to being blown down.
Is the wind supposed to settle down by tomorrow? Flying back to MI in the morning...
Not to mention insane fire hazards across Northwest Oklahoma/Northeast Kansas. Absolutely insane fire outbreak apparently from a combination of dry conditions combined with 50-60 mph winds that caused power lines to spark while colliding with each other. Absolutely crazy. The greater portion of land in that area is now burnt to a crisp. Dead cattle everywhere and everything.
Holy shit. A decision 1 second later by that pilot and we are probably talking about a tragedy.
We can all agree that Harbaugh was the first person on the tarmac assisting with the emergency slide, right?
No doubt he has special tarmac cleats that grip the concrete better
It's been a really bumpy flight. I hate flying on windy days. Glad they're okay.
Glad everyone is ok. The bad side to this is now their schedule will be altered and I would bet the farm that they will be very sluggish during the game tomorrow. I expect very low energy which using doesn't bode well, especially for this team.
I was a high school junior in Evansville, Indiana when the University of Evansville basketball team perished in a plane crash on Dec. 13, 1977. I wouldn't wish the pain and sadness from that event on my worst enemy.
"Plane carrying Michigan basketball team..."
*heart sinks*
"...involved in accident;"
*please no*
"...no injuries"
Still adjusting to breathing again.
Damn constant news alerts. We didn't have to deal with this shit when I was growing up.
Get off my lawn.
Why DAFUQ would they even try to depart in 50-60 mph wind? DAMMIT.
(Truly grateful everyone is okay, regardless of basketball. Go Blue.)