MBB Snowflake thread
it's time to go more all out in football and basketball. Go to Columbus. See what they do to get 5 star after 5 star to go there for basketball and football. I don't even care if it's illegal. The NCAA doesn't care if you cheat anyways. Who cares about admissions? Ohio State lets anyone in who can breath and have been the best football/basketball tandem in the country since 2000 while we pludge along doing things the right way and getting our asses handed to us by them but hey we do things the right way. Why can't Beilein get a Jared Sullinger, Mullins, or Oden while Thad Matta can? Beilein is a better player developer than Matta even as this year has been shitty. I believe he's a better developer of talent than Izzo too but they get the talented 5 stars that keep their programs from having down years like this year for Michigan. If we recruited as well as the Buckeyes do for both football and basketball, we'd never go through these hardships. Top 5 classes every year in both sports and Harbaugh and Beilein would have us rolling as the best college sports program in America. Your snowflakes below.
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The 790 post thread below isn't enough? Sigh...
We get it dude, you're a buckeye fan. Just stop.
that's my fucking snow flake.
Fuck this universe.
What the fuck is wrong with him?
A point is trying to be made here with BJ Mullens as an example. That's all you need to know.
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My point was that maybe Beilein is a better judge of talent than the scouting bureaus. That's all you need to know.
Murder our ethics rape our class pretty soon we'll be kicking some ass...that's the michigan difference
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It isn't like Kentucky just missed the NCAA tourney even with their 5 star recruits...
shoulda ran Calipari!
they've also made the Elite 8, four of the last 5 years and been in the FF three of the last four years.
It's the truth though. When's the last time we had a class better than them in basketball/football. Izzo, Meyer, and Matta aren't better at developing talent? They just bring in the best guys.
Agreed. The truth hurts but people would rather hide their heads in the sand.
who cares. We were just in the National Championship game. That is what matters. For Christ's sake. We lost McGary to a BS rule, LeVert is out for the year, and Walton is out. What do you think will happen when 3 of your top players are removed from the team.
Idiots
Until state won 2x this year m won 7 of 10 vs MSU and just beat matta; Meyer has his coming
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I don't want to hear you cheering this team when its full of upperclassmen winning the big ten. douche
Who said I wasn't cheering for them? I'm just explaining what we need to do to be elite. I love this team and think Beilein is a great coach who needs to recruit better.
let's fucking see. JB's 2012 class is all in the nba. matta is still struggling with a bunch of seniors.
Ironic post after we lost to the cleanest recruiting team in the big ten...
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Still beat Ohio state though
I don't know who's worse: people who can't deal with some mild frustration or people who leap to call Beilein garbage.
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Moderate your shit, people.
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It is pretty obvious there is a culture of cheating at osu, but something about winning while cutting corners chaps my ass as a coach. Harbaugh does not cut corners and the Michigan degree is worth way more than what osu is allegedly paying their athletes.
Eventually cheating comes back to bite you in the ass. Osu just self reported 2 violations, both of which had to do with making illegal contact with recruits. The lantern called the 5 separate incident 'accidents' and osu punished themselves by not making phone calls for a week (bull shit). You can bet your ass that rat bastard meyer has 10 burner cells. Of course it pisses me off when cheating is rewarded, but it feels so much better to win with class and dignity.
Getting really sick of this Michigan holier than thou attitude when we have no winning to fall back on.
Just stop.
So you'd rather cheat and be openly dirty? Cool.
Michigan has a higher standard, I don't understand why that is a problem for you. I don't get it at all.
Higher standard?
Csonte York, Frank Clark (2x), Brendan GIbbons
Covering up/botching (whatever it was) Gibbons' rape situation for 2 years.
Ed Martin scandal.
DB trying to hide Morris' concussion for 2 days until a random midnight.
Michigan is not THAT much more different than any other place. Sure we're probably more clean than the Kentuckys of the world, but we're right there along with everybody else maybe a little bit better. Nothing to boast about constantly when Michigan loses.
That's on Brady Hoke. I'm talking about the university itself, the best damn university there is. I'm not saying we're "holier than thou" I'm just saying that Michigan stands for something and we shouldn't cut corners to achieve success.
I'm sorry I didn't realize you weren't actually a michigan fan. Even the best of people make mistakes. York Clark and gibbons are only known because it's michigan. That many incidents at lesser schools doesn't cover a few years, it's a weekend in April.
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Do you ever get tired of your endless caping tonight?
Sorry I don't think my alma mater is some pristine athletics paradise like some of you delusional fans.
So you excuse those away as mistakes by the best of people? You're joking.
Michigan fans love to feel pride about doing things the right way, yet can't take the heat when people point out Michigan fuck ups, which I would bet are on par with or slightly better than many other schools in the country.
Agreed. You can't bitch about Michigan losing to Kentucky last March, Ohio State, and Alabama in Dallas and then say that Michigan shouldn't engage in anything they do. The same people want us to be Alabama and be completely clean.
Check out Meyers record of player arrests at Florida, michigan kids do it too but it's an exception not a rule. I do not understand why you hate your own school so much. I think we should try to hold ourselves up and not play in the muck.
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I'm not hating my school. I'm just saying my school when it comes to athletics isn't as pristine as people make it out to be. I'm not saying UM is the 80s/00s Miami Hurricanes, just that athletes get leniency and perks here just like other places. Maybe not to the same extent. To believe otherwise is kidding yourself. Michigan also has its legal issues when it comes to athletes like other places. I don't think it's anything worthy of commendation considering the entire landscape of college athletics is dirty as hell. It's like saying one politician takes less corporation "gifts" from another one. At the end of the day, they're both still being bought.
I'm not "boasting about" Michigan bc of losses, I'm talking up this great university. The Harbaugh / Hackett regime is so far different than Hoke / Brandon. If you honestly think Jim Harbaugh is even slightly dirty you're delusional. Michigan is no where near being Kentucky or osu or bama. I'm sure some rules are stretched but I can't see Harbaugh cutting any corners.
We practiced for 20 extra minutes under RR, bot this place isnt following the rules.
Yes. I agree that we shouldn't cut corners but it's not that simple. As somebody who went to Michigan, I know that we won't beat the Buckeyes consistently without doing the exact same things that they do. We're 2-11 against them since 2001. What happens if they keep getting the better players that we can't get because we "don't do those things at Michigan" and they go 11-2 against us in the next 13 years. Are we just going to give up and let them take the all time series because we refuse to engage in the same things?
We haven't beaten the buckeyes consistently bc it took Michigan too long to modernize the program. instead of getting with the times, Michigan chose an entire paradigm shift to the spread option with a roster full of guys made for pro style. Then we hired Brady, who came off as a good guy but ended up being a terrible coach with no clue how to run practices, gameplan, or develop players. The last two staffs have been pretty average / below average which is obvious with their post Michigan positions.
We haven't lost bc were not cutting corners, we've consistently lost bc we have had subpar coaching, and terrible management of the football program. Ty issac said michigans practices under home were way easier than at USC. It is not the first time we have heard of Brady's lackluster practices and he always had our teams woefully underprepared.
Coaching is so much more important than people realize. A great coach makes an enormous difference in everything a program does. Michigan does not have to cheat or cut corners to be great, Harbaugh will be an example of that. This entire program is getting a makeover in the best way possible. Harbaugh won't cheat because he doesn't have to.
Coaching is huge, especially in the college game. Michigan will beat osu consistently again very quickly. Harbaugh loves a challenge and hates liars and cheaters.
In each example you gave, players were kicked off the team or the AD and head coach were fired. So I kind of don't agree.
to equate osu and um on the ethics scale is laughable. tressle knowingly cheated. i think fisher was a patsy at worst.
I'd rather lose with class than cheat to kick ass. But I'd rather win while doing things right. That's what makes legends.
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You can't win anymore without cheating. In 1975 maybe but now you either do it or become irrelevant. Look at the past 10 football national champions and basketball national champions.
Bullshit; watch pro sports then; sure there's some improprieties that everyone does but giving up just bc the cheaters blow the ncaa sideways isn't my idea of joy
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we were one bad call on a blocked shot from winning a natl title in 2013. and we were one injured back away from winning again in 2014.
This bball year has had a ridiculous amount of bad luck right? I mean, injuries to 2 of our top 3 players. Basically everyone we need going to the draft last year. Losses in like... what, 5 overtime games? All this has to even out somehow. Obviously this means next year will be amazing. Right? Right?
Yep
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Tonight wasn't about talent. We have more talent than northwestern on the floor, or should at least. Tonight was all Michigan choking. Another long scoring drought, another night of failing being able to inbound the ball. Another coaching blunder by beilein to not foul when up 3 twice. We had no business losing this game. It wasn't on injuries, it was choking and bad coaching. Northwestern had 2 true freshman playing major minutes too. This team is a dissapointment, even with injuries included and has probably been Beileins worst year of coaching at Michigan.
09-10 was much much worse
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1 TO off an inbounds play and they choked? Zac goes 6-7 from the line and he choked? NW hit some amazing shots and still needed a terrible call to win.
Kentucky is 30-0 and is the dirtiest team in America. Nobody cares though. The NCAA doesn't. The fans don't. The fact that we suck so much is tied to the fact that we are unwilling to do the same things as the Buckeyes, Kentucky, Alabama etc. We are a glorified Northwestern who will never beat the big boys consistently until we play by their rules. How much different do you think the past 10 years would have been if we had top 5 classes every year like those places?
championship and would have been in the NCAA championship game at least once in the last two years. Wouldn't that be great?
Wait...oh...yeah. *nods approvingly*
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I care. And I'd rather watch this kind of team and be proud of them in a loss than cheer for cheaters who win
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