it's either trolling because they realized that I was making a funny on the previous poster's typo about a 3 seed losing to a 15 seed (when he obviously meant two) and didn't like my joke, or it is my phantom neg-banger who has been following me all week and downvoting everything I post, regardless of merit. I even got downvoted for wishing a guy who had twins congrats on his announcement post saturday.
MBB Silver Linings - reasons to look on the bright side
Agreed, but losing by 30 to anyone is pretty damn embarrassing. The "young team" and "hostile environment" excuses apply but still . . . it was not cool. I'm not ready to get over it just yet.
Someone, other than the coaches, needs to rip the entire team a new one about effort on D. I doubt anyone on this team will do that.
...it worth remembering that the kids just played 4 games in a 10 day stretch. 3 of them on the road in three of our toughest opposing arenas. And 3 of them against top 10 teams.
That is an absolutely brutal stretch with little opporutnity to catch a break. The kids are probably dealing with mid-term exams by now too. No wonder they got gassed at Breslin. Even if they had cruised through the previous three games with easy wins they probably would have still hit a wall last night.
It's disappointing to lose but this is also the perfect time to regroup and start working towards a big finish.
Maybe so but I'll say this: All of the truly good teams go through this kind of thing. The truly great ones emerge at least somewhat unscathed. They are kids and they have so many things to worry about (practice, school, social life, etc.) but its the same at every program. I think many of us just got our hopes a little to high coming into this brutal stretch. That said, I'm still confident about a #2 seed at least.
Like when McGary hustled to keep the ball in bounds in the 2nd half, no one had gotten themselves into a position to grab his save. They were on their heels and reacting instead of being aggressive and anticipating.
Earlier in the year, we had some games in which the kids were dominant and assertive, and some games against inferior competition in which the kids played meh but would end up winning by 15 anyway.
They need to play more intense defense, which leads to transition opportunities, and for their talents, easy, easy baskets. Not enough D and too much settling for jump shots.
I understand all the frustration about lack of leadership/drive/fire/etc. What's hard is that with this team, the highs are really high and the lows are unfathomably low. Think about how we felt after the Ohio game just a week ago. The players and coaches have to have short memories if we expect them to improve, and so should the fans. We have to wait and see how they'll respond the rest of the season.
I also have to say, getting blown out against a main rival is extremely shitty, but most of my anger came out on Saturday after the Wisconsin loss. That doesn't excuse a lackluster performance last night, but as most of you have observed, we seem to get teams' top efforts, and when teams are making virtually every shot (I swear the statistics are wrong....48.4 team FG% my ass), losses will happen.
Thanks for this thread...the game threads for losses get so unbelievably negative that it's important to remember why we love this team and why we will absolutely continue to watch every game.
It will be important to win most of the up coming games. If we can beat IU and MSU at home, the team will gain confidence and I think we will get to the sweet 16, possibly the final four! However, if we keep playing poorly, lose at home to both IU and MSU, then we may only win one or two games in the NCAA tournament!
Will the real Michigan team show up?
I know that the game yesterday was as bad as it could be from our perspective. I have watched every game this year and I thought that it would be hard for us to win last night but the way in which we lost was completely out of the blue - easily the most gut wrenching basketball defeat in quite some time (the caveats of a young team, extremely raucous road crowd, tired legs at the end of a brutal stretch etc. apply).
I still think that we can go 5-1 and maybe 6-0 in the remaining games and possibly share the B1G title (we would need help but the B1G schedule should offer us an opportunity if we go 6-0) - we need to heal/rest up, work on our defense and get ready to protect home court in the last week of the regular season.
The biggest takeaway I have from this is that it's just really hard to win on the road in the Big Ten. We've played all the tough conference teams on our schedule on the road. The only one to come to Ann Arbor so far, we beat. Still plenty of time left in the season.
Our B1G schedule this year is especially tough. Amongst the 4 teams we play only once, the two weaker teams (Iowa, Nebraska) are at home and the two mid level teams (Wisconsin, Minnesota) are on the road. In addition, as you had stated, our first game against all of the elite teams (Indiana, MSU, OSU) is on the road.
our young team learned what it takes to get fired up and defend your home court.
also, can we design some plays to get easy baskets? three man weave around the three point line is the best we have.
for some reason the Wisconsin loss is still harder to get past than last night's for me. I think the guys were just plain tired. They went down by 6-8 early and didn't have the emotional or physical reserves to fight back. We can talk about all the numbers and statistics we want...but there's also the reality of hotel rooms, bus rides, plane flights, away crowds and some fairly decent teams stacked back to back to back.
I think that accounts for the lack of hustle, driving to the bucket, etc, etc.
Let's be careful about writing these guys off before we see how the next couple of weeks go.
4 games in 10 days, 3 on the road and 3 against top ten teams
Brutual...but good prep for a March Madness tourney run!
and calming down I feel similar to your write up. Though, I think the Wisconsin game just sucked a lot of energy out of this team and we could have been seeing the ol "Wisconsin beating us twice factor". We were just exhausted last night and on top of that, sparty was going all crazy with their shooting percentage.
Still love this team, still can be very good, the longer break we have now in between the PSU game is much needed. Hopefully the guys can get a day off or two and just rest, re-focus.
Hold court at home and we can be in the hunt for the B1G.
Also, I think most of the comments about giving up on the team was largely due to the fact it was against sparty, we all hate them and we all hate losing to them.
PS. sorry for all my stupid comments yesterday in the open thread, emotions were getting a hold of me.
I'm still having a hard time finding any silver linings after that debacle.
The past 3 SuperBowl winners illustrate that in a one and done situation, get in and you have a chance to win 4 in a row and win it all. Given that a lack of experience and some toughness that has been exposed all of the freshmen that play except McGary, I would be more than happy with 4 wins and a final four appearance. Where before I was dillusioned to think this team was a serious National Title contender, I think it's more likely that a MSU or even Ohio passes the eye test of a team poised for a deep run with they way their athletes on defense can make life difficult. That said, Michigan will enter the tournament no lower than a 2 seed and I would not be surprised if they win 4 in a row. Unfortunately, today I am resigned to this position and not as optimistic as I was a week or so ago.
They are freshmen playing vs alot of seniors... and played very soft, as expected. It sucks that 'sophomore' Burke couldnt get the team to step up and block out the atmosphere... now watch us turn around and crush msu at home... it'll show you how rattled these 18 year olds get.
Ok, but if we beat them in Crisler, then it will prove to be the atmosphere (and thus, softness).
how was the play?
you make some good points but i was quite glad to not have television last night. it was ugly enough checking the score on the computer.
We are a good team but we have some major issues. Those issues don't just go away when we play at home or a neutral site.
That gauntlet was an XP feast. The frosh will be level 10 in time for the tourney. Mark it, Dude
So you are asking our coach (who is one of the few coaches who doesn't act like an idiot, one who doesn't yell at his players and instead tends to teach his players and calmly explain the situation) to berate his team, his boys, during a hostile road game??? I can assume you have never coached in your life because as a Coach your behavior is one of your most valuable tools. You cannot just become a d*ck to your players when times are bad. its not about motivation. its out of character for beilein to act that way. And I am glad he didn't act that way.
One thing that is nice about coming off what really was a meat grinder of games for us is that this teams has seen the tougher defenses and has a basis for making adjustments in that regard. Going 1-3 in that stretch definitely stinks, but the team learned volumes that it can use to its own advantage later.
Indeed, the next three games hopefully will be used as an opportunity to test some the adjustments, and while playing Illinois and Penn St. is not going to be like playing Indiana and Michigan State, you have three likely wins coming up where you can work with what you now know about this team if you're the staff. It could certainly be a springboard for preparation for the final week of the regular season, as it will not be a picnic for the most part even if it is mostly at home.
The Big Ten is, by most measures, the toughest conference. Those people who predicted a 13-5 or 14-4 conference record in all of the preseason threads stand a good shot of being correct yet. The good news is that this is a good team overall and it seems like it can only get better going forward with the experience gained in this stretch.
I think this team was just physically and emotionally beat after the 4 game stretch, but especially after Wisconsin. That's the kind of loss you don't just "get over." That's a demoralizing and deflating way to lose a basketball game. 99 times out of 100 that shot doesn't go in.
Also, you're playing a bunch of freshman and expecting them to compete at the highest level against a bunch of upperclassmen on their court in the toughest conference in basketball.
All I can say now is thank God we have Penn State next. This team is in dire need of a breather.
Do any of you feel that in an effort to get out of a funk on the road, the 1-3-1 trap would be a nice way to start out? I feel our man defense is getting torched and we would just need to get to the boards strong. Just thinking out loud.
At least we didn't lose by 30.....or 40.
Beilein didnt give 3 fucks about the performance.
Time to sit the rest of this one out, Champ. In the PGB household, we call it a "timeout." Your points will return next month.
in the big ten you can get away with just about anythign on defense at home... we won't have to deal with that any more... And come tournament time these games shoudl help us prep. Should...