MBB Postgame Thoughts and Celebration Thread
Blocked by Dan D!ck-itch!
Too bad he can't block us from listening to his commentary.
It's worked for years with Dick Vitale, Dick Stockton, Joe Buck, and now Dakich.
I think this means you just won at life.
Something is definetely wrong with Stauskas. He's definetely lost confidence in his shot
I hope the team can bring him back up in time for MSU. We need his swagger back
IMO he's got to work to contribute in other ways...
The problem is that there aren't enough shots to go around for him to shoot his way out of a funk.
Even when he was All-Universe earlier in the year, he really wasn't taking THAT many shots. He was just making what he was taking.
In future years he'll be fine, with no Burke and no THJ there will be more shots for Stauskas.
But for THIS year he's got to figure out a way to contribute.
Personally, I think he needs to focus on trying to get more rebounds and hustle plays.
Ya I agree, he tried to drive the basket I think once or twice this game but those didn't go in. I feel after he missed all those three's, it gets in his head and he then lacks the hustle on D.
I say if his shots aren't going down, he's gotta drive the basket more, especially after a high ball screen where he turns the corner and goes to the basket. We need a consistent third scorer on offense, and he used to be that guy.
But it's still about touches.
He's not going to get the touches with Burke and THJ also on the floor. He's always going to be no better than the #3 option. And when one of your top 2 options is the point guard...who's naturally got the ball in his hands, that takes away even MORE from #3.
Next year, I think we'll see him offensively be fine. But again, for this year, he's got to do something to help outside of offense. That's why LeVert was so effective. Sure he hit some HUGE 3's...but Stauskas easily could've made those same shots. LeVert was effective today because he played out of his mind on defense...that's something Stauskas hasn't shown he can do.
But it doesn't have to be all defense. You're 6'6', go get some boards. Hit the floor, get some loose balls, go take a bunch of charges. Do SOMETHING else that says "hey, even if he's not making shots...he should be on the floor."
As the #3 option (at best...because he may not even be #3 when you consider post players)...you have to do more than just offense.
As of right now, he's playing like a player than you'd bring off the bench for points and that's it. If he's going to be #3 and a starter, he's got to give you more than a situational 6th/7th man off the bench (and that goes even if he's making shots).
LeVert was awesome on the defensive end yesterday. He was showing McGary like hustle and it paid off, even if it doesn't show up in the stat line.
at umhoops; he wasn't a bit worried. Said the D keying on Stauskas was helping get Trey open off of screens and you pick your poison. Nik will be fine.
two threes and maybe one drive to the hoop? It was a rough day for our Canadian friend. Think back to Jr. Having to learn the same lesson... if the shots aren't falling, you can (need to) contribute in other ways. I am confident Nick will get there eventually, although it may not be this year. It would certainly be nice if he did get it together this year, however.
I have no class, let me be the first to say "I told you so" to everyone freaking out after the MSU loss and the PSU win.
Morgan is the 3rd most important player to this team behind Burke and THJ.
He is a spark plug on D and does so much without the ball on O. Great to get him back.
This was a solid performance. I think it also proved that while Groce is a decent coach, his victory over Michigan last year was a fluke.
THJ was no where NEAR as good as he is now. He was in a sophomore slump, took bad shots, didn't play the level of defense he plays now. Now he's an All-American type player.
Burke was a freshman. He was great, but not as good as he is now. Also, he was worn down because we had no backup PG last year.
And didn't that OHIO team make it to the sweet 16 only to lose to Carolina by 1 point?
Edit: It wasn't by 1 point but is was in OT.
That Ohio team was really good, a nightmare 13 seed. Thay were 27-6 and coming into the NCAA on a roll winning the MAC tournament. They ended up making the S16 and would have beat NC if they made one free throw with 10 seconds left.
They also matched up well against us having a guy that could shut down Novak and a PG that could match Burke.
Morgan is kind of important
morgan is kind of really important
definitely imperative that we get better starts in the first half. We need to learn how to put teams away early again. On the plus side, though, Morgan and McGary played really well on the interior, and I was really impressed with the breakthrough of Mr. Caris Levert... Hopefully his confidence can carry over into bigger games later in the season... Otherwise solid and much needed win today.
on most of those possessions and got a couple of funny bounces, you just stay with it.
game will also be key down the stretch when the three ball isn't on
game will also be key down the stretch when the three ball isn't on
Also Dakich said Illinois > Michigan in the Big Ten.
Two double digit wins for the good guys.
He is an idiot.
He said "right now"
And at that point, Illinois was one of the hotter teams in the conference and we'd lost 3 of 5.
He changes it every week depending on how teams are playing at that point in time.
Pretty sure Dakich has previously had IL above us on his chart. He consistently rates M lower than the rankings / polls rate us compared to the rest of the B1G.
in the country today, so. . . yeah, he's annoying at times, but he's not without respect.
No one would mind a slow start after a week layoff. The boxing out is a bit of a concern, but a good win vs. a good team.
Morgan million times better than Horford
It is literally day and night watching Morgan compared to Horford.
So do the lights in Crisler go out when Horford goes in or is it some sort of weird time shift?
I don't know what the lights do, but I tend to just close my eyes. So they might as well be off
They played Defense
Morgan + healthy= Beating Staee
Did Digger really say Burke shouldn't be in the conversation for player of the year? Why does ESPN think we want people who just say things for the sake of stirring up reaction? I'm so tired of listening to the Diggers, Dakichs, Mark Mays, and Skip Baylesses of the world.
Digger Phelps= Lee Corso
He rarely talks bad about anyone. He just tried to predict everything and he's literally going crazy in front of our eyes.
Digger still thinks he's smarter than everyone else. Waiving his flaming highlighters in our face every chance he gets.
TV people know that even though we hate who we're looking at and even if we're saying "Wow this person is a moron" to ourselves, we're still likely to stick around to see the train-wreck. I'd imagine TV studies would support this which is why Skip Bayliss is on ESPN and not on rocket headed for the sun
is pushing hard for Oladipo and it pisses me off.
Digger Phelps is a douchebag. A friend of mine works at a country club that Digger has golfed at before and says he a grade A asshole in real life and has a huge ego. So yeah.
Caris Levert is beginning to come on strong. He will be the driving force for this team! I think he, Stauskas, and McGary will form a solid core to take us through the next couple years (assuming GR3 becomes Michigan basketball's 1st one and done)
He's going to be a top 20 pick regardless of if he comes out this year or next. He doesn't need the money. He may as well stay at Michigan and PLAY and develop rather than sit in the NBA while developing.
He's going to be great, I have no doubt. May as well stay one more year ala Burke and play next year then bolt for the NBA.
I am beginning to really like LeVert. He basically pushed Stauskas to the bench today. Defense, length, athleticism, and he's got a great stroke with a quick release. This guy could be really fucking good very soon.
In 2 years you're going to have
Walton at the point. Albrecht as a very solid backup.
LeVert and Stauskas as juniors and leaders offensively and defensively. You'll also have Irvin on the wing.
You'll have McGary in the post coming into his own and really understanding how to play with pace and use his energy and effort ala Hansborough.
If Donnell can come into his own...look out.
Just looking at that, if we can find another post player for the recruiting class after next. We could have a freshman contributing in the post like McGary is this year.
On paper, and 2 years too soon, I really like that team.
Let's just take it year-by-year. McGary might not be around in two years' time.
Who knows what could've happened if he could've played without NCAA sanctions.
Wasn't Jamaal Crawford a one and done guy?
holy shit trey burke is amazing guys
I thought Levert was key in our second half comeback because oh his defense.
Defense was played!!! So exciting to see defense again. Cautious props go out to Beilien for getting the team back to playing D.
Also, was I the only one who thought we were using the bigs a lot more on offense and not taking so many threes? Unlike the last few game where it seemed like our entire offense was spotting up from outside the arc on every possession, the attack today seemed much more balanced.
Morgan can almost pull off the double at he top and recover, which was maddeningly ineffective and disastrous without him. And levers looked solid. I think his offense gave his overall game a boost. Looked like serious contributor today.
Coach b has to find a way to get Stauskas more meaningful play in the offense. He was a statute. I am generally a Stauskas soapy but this game I thought it was noticeable.
Will still have Illinois ahead of Michigan in his Big Ten power rankings.
Regarding the game:
Burke, Morgan and LeVert...lights out. LeVert locked up one of the better scorers in the entire conference. #clamps
Regarding the season:
Still need to improve, but we showed spurts of our "old self." Particularly when Morgan was on the floor. I'd play J-Mo limited minutes vs. PSU and Purdue because we're going to need him as close to 100% as we can get him for MSU and IU.
Glad LeVert has found his niche...he and Stauskas make a nice pair like Morgan and McGary. When one is off, usually the other is on. We need both players in both of those pairings.
Offensively I still don't think we have enough movement. We still don't seem to run an offense. We run plays (like the ball screen Dakich loved today), but not an offense. This is why on offense we are so choppy. Because plays can be stopped, but when you run an offense you run it until you get an open look, it's endless. We really have to get some type of motion offense going and run our plays out of it.
We need more easy baskets!
Defensively, we cut it on at the 12 minute media timeout in the first half. Someone called Coach Mattison because that was impressive. Hell that was like what Mattison did @ Illinois a couple years ago. It looked like we had 6 guys on the floor at times.
I think defensively if we play like that for the rest of the year, we're fine. Offensively I worry about us if we're not creating turnover and getting transition points. We've got to be able to score consistently out of the halfcourt.
Admittedly unrelated postgame thought*:
Now that we've taken care of business today and appear to have some of our mojo back, my question turns to rooting interests in Ohio-MSU is this afternoon. Obviously a loss for MSU is good for us for the Big Ten standings... But can we really root for the Buckeyes?
*But not worthy of its own thread.
today we need to be ohio fans, it really hurts to type this
I have no problem rooting for OSU if it benefits Michigan.
Last year, I could not have been more happier to be a buckeye fan for 2 hours.
Yes? Then you root for OSU to win today, not because you like them, but because it benefits us to have them win. Seems easy to me. Rooting for them =/= liking them
As always, I'm cheering for the meteor.
I wouldn't mind if Sparty sucked more than Ohio did, though.
Doesn't matter if Indiana beats Minn, Iowa, and OSU. I know it would be badass to win the Big Ten, but I will probably be equally as happy if we win out the regular season, get a couple conference tourney wins, and end up with a 1 seed.
and to add to that, I hope we end up playing against either/both OSU and MSU in the BTT. I'd like to get us in the mentality of facing tough, competent defenses.
Root for MSU to lose.
To me, in my mind, there's a difference.
But even if I had to root for one of them, it would be Ohio. I have no problem with Matta and his guys like Craft, Thomas, Sullinger, Oden, etc. They seem to be good players. Izzo sucks at life and his team (minus Green) usually follows.
With that, I'll never root for either...unless I root for them to lose. Today, I don't root for Ohio to do anything, but I root for MSU to lose and lose bad.
Stalking and negging all of my posts I see. I feel like Jordan Morgan with all the Dakich attention!
Nonetheless, the majority of posters have the board on the "show all" setting so it's not doing anything.
Carry on, most times people reverse your immaturity and/or drunkeness with the click of a button anyway. The MGoBoard typically takes care of itself, that's what makes it so great. Trolls never win.
There's a post further up where Dakich is called "Dickich" and it is pos'd to +5.
The self-moderation on the board is definitely leaps and bounds worse than it used to be.
Eh, I don't know, Tom. "Dickich" has a somewhat special ring to it...
it benefits Michigan. I have to deal with Sparty dirt bags all year, regardless of sport. OSU fans usually just give me shit for football.
completely agree with this. deal with sparty on a weekly basis
You'd be an idiot not to.
Go Ohio State.
I'm sorry I had to downvote this, because I will always downvote that statement. It's nothing personal.
MBB wins and Denard did good. Nice day to be a Wolverine.
Can't pick the MVP of that game to be anyone other than Burke. 26 points on 11 shot attempts, 8 assists, 1 turonver. That is a stat line that no one else in the country produces, and Burke does it consistently.
With that said, the biggest thing that happened today is that Morgan looked almost 100% helathy. He moved really well on defense and rebounded well. I didn't realize how much he meant to our defense until he went out.
Without Morgan's D, Michigan might lose this game. Zero offensive rebounds in the second half for Illinois and they had eight in the first. He was everywhere and yet never out of position on defense. He was the highest player +/- on either team by a wide margin (Morgan +18, Burke +5). Morgan's impact doesn't show up on the statsheet but he was just as important as Burke was today.
Nice to be able to sit back and watch a big ten battle after a nice win. Hopefully Ohio knocks off MSU for us.
The Walking Dead!
Yessir. Curious to see how things play out after the crazy finish to last weeks episdoe.
on the court. Even less than 100%, it's critical to having him out there as much as possible. He didn't score a lot, but he enabled a lot of other points for Michigan. As much as Beilein would like to be cautious on bringing him back, without Morgan out there, we don't have a realistic chance at the B10 title.
Jordan Morgan and Caris LeVert make us much better defensively. The great thing about our defense being better is that it makes our offense much better since it allows more opportunities to score in transition. The half court offense is still very much a work in progress with a lot of dribbling around until Burke is forced in to going one-on-one. It worked a lot today but I don't think it will necessarily work going forward. I think Morgan needs to be back in the starting line-up again. He doesn't make all of the mistakes that McGary makes. He doesn't take bad shots. He doesn't get caught out of position on defense. He doesn't throw the ball away. McGary is super talented but he still plays too out-of-control to be playing lots of minutes. Bring him in for 5 minute spurts here and there. 10-15 minutes a game. Try to play Morgan as much as possible and throw a bit of Horford in there if we need it for matchups or foul trouble. If Michigan can play solid defense and force turnovers like they did in the 2nd half today, they may just get back to playing like one of the top teams in the country like they did for the first 20 games of the season. Go Blue!!!
For awhile. I'd start Mitch and Morgan together and bring Nik off the bench for instant offense. But maybe that is just me.
It pushes GRIII to the SF spot.
I LOVE the lineup that you mentioned, but it's a "spot" lineup. I don't think it's a starting lineup.
I'd use it when you're facing bigger teams and/or getting out rebounded.
With Stauskas in or out of the game...I don't think we play 2 bigs NEARLY enough. Even if it's to give GRIII a rest and you play 2 bigs with Stauskas, THJ and Burke, that's fine.
We have 3 guys that are capable (Morgan, Horford, McGary), we don't always have to play them one at a time.
First off, that was a great overall effort even with the slow start, and indeed, a very good sign - the second game in a row that overall FG% has increased at least 5% since the Wisconsin game.
When Trey Burke scored his 1,000th career point, it made me wonder how huge the contribution of what is, in my opinion, the best backcourt in basketball has contributed to the team's offense in the past two seasons.
Of the 4,306 points Michigan has scored since the beginning of the 2011-2012 campaign, 1,013 of them, or 23.5%, belong to Trey Burke. Hardaway can claim 887 points, or 20.6% of that same total. That's pretty amazing, I would say, as is the fact that in the same time period, Jordan Morgan accounts for 20.1% of all offensive rebounds.
A nice, decisive win, and let's take down the Nittany Lions again on Wednesday!
Lovin the belly rub at the end.
with that steal and 3-pointer. As much as I hate to say it, I think we're going to have to accept that Stauskus just doesn't have it right now, and I expect hs minutes to go way down. In Big Ten play, he's a liability on defense and an average shooter at best. The good news is that LaVert looks to be a pretty good defender, and keeps improving every game. I think we'll see a lot more of the Burke-THJ-LaVert-GRIII-Morgan lineup in the near future.
Shoes and socks!
Since at OSU, we have been out scored by 7 points in the 1st half of games. In the 2nd half we have out scored opponents by 49 points.
Slow starts, killing us
But also a number of good things happening. Morgan getting healthy leads the latter list, but LaVert's play is a damn close second. Trey is pulling less of the "pound and step back" possessions than he had. But, until this team's energy/hustle level amps up to what you see with MSU/OSU, we will be fourth in this conference. Here's hoping that the Morgan/LaVert/McGary energy starts to take hold of the rest of the team.
I kinda hate myself for doing this, but...
Possible that Stauskas won't be starting next game? Based on his most recent tweet I would guess it's either that or he got dumped.
That was a tough conversation to have. Knew it was coming tho.
— Nik Stauskas (@NStauskas11) February 24, 2013