MBB Michigan/Illinois post game thread
Can someone please explain what "We On" means? I know that is the shirt that the team wears... but I was wondering if there was any particular significance to it.
TRIPLE POST BUT WHO CARES
ALL INSIGHTFUL AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED
#1 is NOT the loneliest number.
WE GON BE #1 BOI!
since the 1992-93 season. Michigan is #1.
this basketball team...my family has had season tickets since the late 90's, barely ever miss home games. We have seen so many awful bball games, but this team is making me forget all of those horrible basketball moments. Go Blue. Forever proud to be a wolverine.
I would most likely buy this shirt.
A few comments on the game:
- Stauskas with one of his best games, esp in the first half.
-We're capable of winning even when Burke doesn't get his shooting going right away.
-Seeing Horford, McGary, and Bielfeldt step up in the absence of Morgan is tremendously encouraging. Bielfeldt = Albrecht of the big men - not competing for the starting job, but capable of plugging gaps in the rotation off the bench.
- Also, a point from the Purdue game on the "Why we love McGary" front. After one of his dunks, the announcer accurately pointed out that he was the first one back on D. No preening, no patting himself on the back, nothing but effort. Also, I noticed that on the final possession, while we were just dribbling it out & the rest of the team was casually walking up the court, McGary was still sprinting the length of the floor at top speed. Again, nothing but effort out of the big man.
These guys having a game like this now is such great timing...getting into the heart of the conference schedule, on the road, loud opposing crowd, decent team...they've gained some great experience and a lot of confidence. JB will have more options down the road when he really needs it. Great stuff.
I would gladly give all of my points to the dude in the pic to the right of McGary. I remember that post like it was yesterday. Step up bro.
We ALL owe you for being such a great rep of this institution.
Before Mcgary arrived in AA, I always thought he was the guy on the right. Stupid me
Reporting in for receipt of wigeon's mgopoints.
This is the 2nd game in a row I thought we didn't start playing like we should until we stepped up our effort and energy defensively. Both times in the 2nd half it clicked and we really took off from there.
I'd love to see us bring it from the opening tip, but I'm glad to win on the road in conference against a good, not great team.
Morgan - Damn. I hope he's healthy for IU...we need him against Zeller.
Robinson - He showed me a lot this game. He's gotten better defensively and he showed even more skill on the offensive end with that drive to the hoop in the first half. I'd love to see him play SF a little bit but we just have so much guard depth it's pointless. GRIII played a great game, his play is perfect for this team because he's in the right spot at all times.
Stauskas - Welcome back! I'm always harder on Nik than most because I know shooting isn't everything. Stauskas played (BY FAR) his best B1G game. He just settled down and let the game come to him. I only recall one forced shot. But he picked his spots and attacked. I also thought he played decent defensively. He still helps off his man too much, but Illinois couldn't hit a damn thing so it didn't matter. All in all, MVP of the game along with Horford.
Robinson - He's gotten so much better and so much more consistent. Love his game right now.
Burke - Welp. That was pretty "meh." Definitely Burke's worst game of the year. What frustrated me the most was all of the ISOs...RUN SOMETHING! Even a pick and roll, something, ANYTHING. I think the only ISO he made was at the end of the first half. He seriously was like 1-14 on those plays. He did step it up defensively, so props there.
McGary - Welp. That was pretty "meh." Definitely McGary's worst game of the year. He couldn't catch the ball. He couldn't rebound. He didn't make any hustle plays. No energy. He looked lost. He seriously looked like he was playing feeling under the weather. There wasn't even the arms waving! Hopefully he can bounce back because Max B. and Horford both played much better tonight. Always love the way he runs the floor though. Can't take that for granted.
Horford - Feels good to watch him play...feels better to watch him play well. He played OUTSTANDING tonight. His best game of the year. One thing about all of these NBA sons, brothers, etc. is that we have some really SMART kids on this team. THJ, Robinson and Horford clearly understand the game of basketball. Horford like GRIII was always in the right spot. You could just tell he "gets it." He understands time and possession. Loved his game tonight.
I think one of those Robinsons is supposed to be a Hardaway
Which of your two Robinson's is Hardaway?
Second one is Hardaway (he mentions GRIII by name in the first Robinson).
Reading both of the paragraphs, the first one is definitely the real Robinson. He's ALWAYS in the right spot on offense.
I agree with everything except for the McGary comments.
6 points, 8 rebounds (4 of those being offensive rebounds) is not a bad game judging by his baseline thus far. Not to mention his points came at crucial times, i.e. ending Illini scoring runs.
Horford being healthy is so incredibly important. He, Morgan, and McGary are going to be vital throughout the year. I really appreciated Bielfeldt's minutes as well.
McGary didn't have his best game however he does so much for this team. His energy is contagious he is a beast down low.
Number one! Number one! Number one!
Else see Burke's post game interview? Apparently Trey forgot Morgan is only a Jr., and not a Sr. Regardless, it was great to see the team pick up the W with Morgan on the bench. Seeing the bigs play the way the did can leave the option for him to sit against NW if need be, and get him ready for the IU game Saturday.
We can beat NW with McLimas starting at C.
He is a senior in school, just a RS junior in basketball.
Makes him a Jr. Just thought it was a little funny, obviously nothing life altering.
Anyone watching the Journey? Bacari Alexander is awesome here. He may be our next head coach.
Granted he's almost 60, but he's got some good years left.
He will be for sure.
That Chris Street part had me thinking there were onions in the living room. Sad story.
Yeah, that was a nice piece. I love the Journey for showing these behind the scenes things that we would normally never see.
I'm impressed that they can whip an episode in a week's time. Their producers do quality work.
Yeah, I remember the Chris Street thing, and how sad it was at the time, but I'd kind of forgotten about it. That piece was excellent. I actually would've watched more on that story- it was really touching to see his parents, especially. You also just couldn't help but feel for them; they were (and still are) obviously so, so proud of him.
So? What's to stop him from gaining some experience at another school and then coming back here when Beilein retires?
That would be perfect. Get some seasoning at another school for a few years while Beilein builds on his success, and then come back here as a more finished product as a coach. That would basically be the Brady Hoke career path.
I hope Mike Hart and/or Ty Wheatley have a similar career arc in mind for their professional lives!
Total front runner.
Well he is good buds with 'Worldwide Wes' and Calipari.
He's shown our guys some love though (or at least has seen our games):
Those hairless nuts down south.
This team is really fucking good, you guys.
We definitely didn't play our best game. Very sloppy boxing out and way too much Trey Burke iso in my opinion. I know Trey can hit a lot of those step-back jumpers; but the offense can create better options than that on any given possesion.
That said, we are really really really good. This team has to lay a complete egg (see OSU game) to lose at this point. So many weapons, so well coached. Love watching this team. If this team stays healthy and continues to grow, watch out world. Can't wait to see us peak late in the season.
Not disagreeing with your analysis necessarily, but I love that we can not play our best game, be sloppy in a number of aspects, have our best player come up a bit short of his own high, high standards, and still win by 14 on the road in the B10 with the refs and a raucous crowd against us. Just one year ago, a 14 point win like this would've been among our better Ws of the year. Now it's just how we roll, meh.
The rebounding was ugly, but when a team is jacking up threes left and right it can be tough. Long rebounds can burn you even when you have decent position.
6-25 from 3. Most of those in the first half. I was surprised Illinois went away from their game plan of attacking the basket in the 2nd half and instead attempting nothing but NBA 3's.
Those two steals from the inbounds to dunks for them pissed me off, though.
That's kind of what I'm getting at. We played just ok; and still stomped a pretty decent team in their gym. Sky = limit
Can we get some Muppets up in here?
maybe not so much against an unranked Illinois team.
I think its more for being ranked #1 rather than beating illinois.
I also enjoyed this win because I hate Illinois, their students and all those Muck Fichigan t-shirts they wear. (I guess they only wear those for football games)
I went to the 2009 football game against them (which was completely awful in its own right) and their fans are the worst I've experienced. Yes, worse than sparty fans (also went to that game that year, and it was also awful for obvious reasons).
I have no idea why they hate us so much.
they hate us because they tend to lose to Michigan often, especially football. Even during the RR years, we pulled off the ridiculous triple overtime win among others.
But during the RR (I liked him) years we also had the Carlos Brown Power from 1st and goal that turned the game.
-not sure why I thought of that, I guess it was the awesome .gif.
It started when Moeller went there (to U of I), they fired him after only 3 seasons, he came back to Ann Arbor, and the next season, Bo hung 70 on them to teach them a lesson. That started it. Basketball, and, specifically, 1989, solidified it. They have no real natural rivals. They also hate Kelvin Sampson and Bruce Pearl, among others. And have a pseudo-rivalry with Northwestern. It's kind of sad, really.
Same here. I went to a game in champaign with my dad when I was about 10 and a bunch of drunk idiots were coming up to me and screaming in my face. My dad just about got into a fight with some dude (and he would have clobbered him since the guy could barely even stand). I've never had a bad experence anywhere besides that.
In large part, they are a sad Josh of a rival - they desperately want to be our rival, we just pat them on the head and send them packing with neither respect nor a W.
It's the one-sidedness that makes them hate us all the more.
The 2000 game was a doozy. The MMB almost had its buses tipped over and a guy tried to walk through the middle of the drumline. Oh, and another dude tried to pick a fight with one of the horn players -- a 6-foot-2, 220 pound horn player.
For an engineering school, they're not terribly bright after 6pm.
The Illini hate us for all the same reasons other B10 schools hate us.Because they will never be Michigan.They win once every 5 times we play.And every time they have a top 250 recruit (football), we take them, leaving them with the Mac- level kids.
They should make shirts that read "ON WE"
get it? eh? eh?
Nope, some bozo 2 rows in front of me had one of those t-shirts on...
Snowflake: Very impressed with Horford tonight. He stepped up big when Morgan went down.
All three of the "bench" bigs stepped up. I know many are probably critical of Mitch but he played better than most give credit for. Max also played very well. Those two free throw makes were huge and to mentally rebound from the two previous ugly misses just minutes earlier was a feel-good moment; props to Bielfeldt.
Yes, it was huge....the students were shouting "traitor" at him before the air ball...he is from Peoria and its less than 2 hours from champaign...
Probably more importantly, his family donated the money for and its name is on the Athletic Department's administration building.
This is a surreal feeling. But I love it.
Downvoted for excessive use of Nelly. Sorry boss.
Does not compute
FG% - 52.5% (31-59)
3PT% - 35.7% (5-14)
FT% - 53.8% (7-13)
FG% - 35.9% (23-64)
3PT% - 22.2% (6-27)
FT% - 88.9% (8-9)
Statistically, the key here turned out to be a few more rebounds and a few more timely blocks and steals, it seems. If you compare that to season averages, it wasn't the best performance by Michigan, but the season averages are already pretty damn good as it is, so it was still an overall good effort which included Burke with 19 points, Stauskas with 14, and Hardaway and Robinson with 12 each.
So, yes, this team is effing fantastic by the numbers as well.
What does it take to be #1?
You just saw it.
Yee gads the next part of our schedule is brutal.....
|Wed., Jan. 30||vs. Northwestern *||Crisler Center||6:30 p.m. ET|
|Sat., Feb. 2||at Indiana (8) *||Bloomington, Ind.||9:00 p.m. ET|
|Tue., Feb. 5||vs. Ohio State *||Crisler Center||9:00 p.m. ET|
|Sat., Feb. 9||at Wisconsin *||Madison, Wis.||11:00 a.m. CT|
|Tue., Feb. 12||at Michigan State *||East Lansing, Mich.||9:00 p.m. ET|
Win three of those of those five and we've got a pretty clear shot at an outright B1G regular season championship. Win four or somehow five of the five and we're a lock.
I shudder to think how insane (and by that I mean B1G referee intimidating) Assembly Hall will be next Saturday night when we roll in 20-1 and ranked #1. Our guys thought playing at OSU was hostile? They aint seen NOTHING yet.......
Don't believe me? Ask any of the Fab Five what they thougt about playing there.
I believe Arthur Miller wrote a play about those next five games once upon a time.
Death of a Salesman?
Ah we can take them.
I was actually surprised at the refereeing at today's Indiana-MSU game. There were some (intimidation) homer calls for the Hoosiers, but it was not the Duke-fest I expected. It bodes well for us if it can continue there.
They had a lot of non-impact makeup calls in the second half to even things out but the damage was done by the ticky-tack fouls on Appling who only played 19 mins. Imagine one of Burke/Hardaway only getting to play half the game and I don't think we would like the result.
Exactly right. I have watched Michigan basketball since about 1970 and I can tell you that without question the toughest place to play is Assembly Hall. There is no building where the officials are more intimidated into giving the home team ever every possible break and call than there.
Winning at Indiana is like winning a youth rec tourny being held by the home school and officiated by the home school's dads. The visiting team (and I dont care which visiting team it is) is always playing against eight players (Indiana plus the 3 refs), not five. And IMO opinion their fans are as bad as Notre Dame in football in EXPECTING every call, every break, every decision to go their way EVERY time. And crying little baby girls when they don't.
i think the home cookin was more due to bobby knight than the arena. he doesn't have ed hightower in his back pocket anymore.
Stauskas,Horford, Bielfeldt and McGary.
They were all solid in this game. Stauskas showed he's way more than a shooter. That one pass was just beautiful. The other 3 guys were not perfect but played with a lot of effort. Max especially impressed me.
NIU scored 4 pts in the first half.
we....played.....Univ of Illinois....ummm.....I....uhhh...
McGary showed tonight what he can do. Still has lots of room to grow tho. Experience is key for him. Should be a solid 10-10 guy in his career. Maybe even 15-10. Offensive rebounds are his money maker.
Burke had a bad game, McGary was up and down. Still a convincing 14 point win on the road . Very impressive.
I mean everybody has a right to an opinion but he did have like 19 points. I agree didn't like the long 2 poit shots but I thought he did pretty well.
Not sure about Burke, but McGary had to play more minutes than usual because of Morgan's absence.
McGary though didn't wind up with more than usual minutes because of foul trouble.
But I was checking out rcmb and there was a thread about biff poggi and some very negative tweeds toward the big ten. I take rcmb with an enormous grain of salt, but has anyone here seen this? They also have a thread dedicated to how amazing their uniforms and shoes looked today. I thought it was sarcastic at first, but they really did think they were amazing. Sorry, I refreshed and there was a recruiting thread up. I will re-post my questio their.
The free throw shooting needs to improve if they want to win it all
Why downvote this? It's very very true.
If you take away the "Adventures of Max B. At The Free Throw Line" out of the equation, Michigan's FT shooting is respectably average like it's been all year.
Give Max props though he came right back and drilled his next two.
Seriously in the inbounds plays michigan was terrible. The one on the sideline that turned into two easy points for Illinois was especially bad. Just from experience, when a player does shit like jumping up and down that close to you, you bounce the ball off their midsection and back to you. They won't be as aggressive next time. These are still young players... Haven't learned all the tricks I guess...
I'm sure Beilein will go over that in practice. Doesn't seem like a hard fix, right?
Seriously in the inbounds plays michigan was terrible. The one on the sideline that turned into two easy points for Illinois was especially bad.
That's a much more difficult play than you give it credit for.
Also JB did adjust. Instead of Burke tossing it in against Egwu he had Hardaway inbounding later in the game.
Late for the posbang?
I would say bad by Trey Burke standards. Forced too many shots.
Couldn't find anything but from what little I know about ankle sprains, I'm guessing he's 50/50 for the Indiana game. Anybody have an insight into that?
The fact that he returned to the bench and walked off the court under his own power at the end would seem to bode well. I don't know about the NW game but I suspect he will be available for IU.
Coach B said in his press conference that he was not able to put weight on it. As it stands, it's highly unlikely Morgan will be available to play over this critical stretch of the next five games.
lord knows i have sprained both ankles several times playing bball. in general, they hurt like hell the next day. they are near 100% in two weeks. but i could see him giving 10 min of play next weekend with a good tape job.
20 games in and I haven't seen domination from tip off to end of the game, maybe it isn't really doable, but to have our team play a so-so game and win by 14 on the road is quite impressive. We have a brutal stretch with MSU, Indiana, Wisconsin, and Ohio coming up.... That's a situation you can walk out of 1-3 in.
The NW game was pretty much 40 minutes of domination. We had, what, 15 points at the 16:00 mark?
If this team isn't dominant enough for you, you are never going to be satisfied.
that the Wolverines go 4-0, which is what I think is going to happen.
Can anyone figure out what the hell is going on with all the ticky tack fouls this year. It's unbearable to watch since it just kills the flow of everything. Wisconsin was in the bonus less than 5 minutes into the 2nd half yesterday vs MN. I was really sweating bullets when Morgan went down since you knew Mitch would get in foul trouble. Of course the bench came through but it's getting frustrating watching every Big Ten game turn into a free throw contest halfway thru each half.
Do you think it's coming from higher ups or the refs just getting tv (especially TV Ted) and power hungry
Couldn't disagree more. Jesus Christ , the whole Champaign was amped up to ruin MIchgan's #1 potential ranking. Illinois made several charges but each time was answered by at least three very impressive runs. Defensively everyone played well, particularly the improving freshmen. Did Burke play one on one too much or get lazy on an inbound pass? Sure but the guy still had 19 points, 5 assists, 5 boards, 3 steals and didn't allow Illinois to press successfully.
Illinois plays a wild style and jacked up many long 3's that is condusive to some sloppy plays, but the entire team passed this test rather easily on the road. No criticisms here!
I just want to say, this team is a delight to watch. The excitement with which I anticipate these games--and the sheer enjoyment sustained while watching them--is normally reserved for a favorite team's run in the Finals (Pistons, Wings, etc.). But this is every game. Really, it's a wondrous thing to behold. The only comparison I can make is M football ca. 2006
That is all
It's a sight to behold to watch the freshmen grow and develop as the season progresses.
One other thought: Illinois's arena is really weird. It looks like a miniature Seattle Kingdome and seems (on TV anyway) even gloomier inside.
Burke had 19pts, 5reb, 5ast, and 3stls. If that's a bad game then sign me up for that all the time.