MBB - Discipline

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November 21st, 2011 at 7:26 PM
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ijohnb
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MBB - Discipline

When I watched M v. Memphis, one thing in particular struck me when thinking back to the last couple of seasons.  You cannot simply peice together eight or nine 6'7 players who would be nasty in a game of one on one and beat Michigan.  The reason for this is no matter how many times you show a MBB player that you are in fact the better baller than he is, it does not take him out of his game.  The conglomoration of talent theory gets beat down against JB coached teams.  Clemson, Tennesee, Memphis, these teams have talent, but they don't have a theme, they don't have a script that they return to whenever they need something, and they don't have a common belief in any particular aspect of their team.  They are 12 different components that don't form one particularly focused unit.  Teams with discipline and a consistent theme and a belief in one or two particular aspects of their game, Purdue, Wisconsin, Duke, they are very effective against Michigan, but teams like Memphis, they are fish in a barrel. 

I like this team a lot after what I saw today.  That team has fight, and they have discipline and a belief in a common theme.  I know it's early, but that was a very positive afternoon.  If you did not see it, watch a replay, you will like what you see.

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November 21st, 2011 at 7:28 PM | Yes! (Score:2 Normal)
morepete
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Also: A hilarious Memphis fan on Twitter is calling Michigan mediocre. He wasn't pleased when I called Memphis "12 points worse than mediocre" and claimed that if the Tigers had just pressed more, they would have beaten Michigan by 20.

Gotta love 32 imaginary points.

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November 21st, 2011 at 7:43 PM | You could also have told him.... (Score:2)
True Blue Grit
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get back to you when Memphis get's a real coach.  Beilein coached the pants off Memphis' 34 year old coach.  It takes more than a bunch of play-ground stars to beat a well-coached, disciplined team. 

"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans!  Now go out there and make it happen!"

- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22  OSU 0)

November 21st, 2011 at 7:51 PM | I felt bad for that guy when he took over at Memphis (Score:2)
expatriate
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He definitely seemed over his head at the time and had next to no experience.  I hope he can get it together in the next few years, you would hate to see a young guy fail because he was thrown into the fire too early with really high expectations.

BA 2009 LSA

November 21st, 2011 at 8:31 PM | I hope it doesn't take a few years (Score:2)
robb0226
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I would really like them to get it together and play very well the rest of the season.  That would make this win look much more impressive for us.  And anything that helps M is fine by me

Go Blue or go home

November 21st, 2011 at 8:03 PM | So basically, this is that (Score:2)
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
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So basically, this is that guy's argument:

"Our coach sucks, but if he didn't suck, we'd have won big."

November 21st, 2011 at 8:16 PM | Isn't that what we were all (Score:1 Normal)
Butterfield
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Isn't that what we were all saying about a year ago, except about GERG? 

The swag is back. 

November 22nd, 2011 at 12:56 AM | Well, yeah (Score:2)
Blazefire
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but c'mon. It's GERG! I mean, surely we get a pass for that one.

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November 21st, 2011 at 7:30 PM | Coaching > Athletes.  Who was (Score:2 Funny)
UMLaw73
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Coaching > Athletes.  Who was the 16 year old that was allowed to coach Memphis by the way? Did he win a contest at his middle school to coach a college basketball team for a day?

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November 21st, 2011 at 7:35 PM | You sure the shoes had (Score:3 Funny)
BleedMaizeNBlue
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You sure the shoes had nothing to do with it?

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November 21st, 2011 at 7:50 PM | Adidas or Maui thing? (Score:1)
Skiptoomylou22
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No way are those the shoes, socks and warmups we wear all season. Does anyone know if it was an Adidas experiment for some new shoes or perhaps a tourney thing because I noticed Tennessee had the socks and shoes on as well, neither teams use that shade of blue

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November 21st, 2011 at 7:52 PM | The announcers said they were (Score:2 Insightful)
GoLabattBLUE
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The announcers said they were made especially for this tourney.

November 21st, 2011 at 9:26 PM | The EA Sports Maui (Score:2)
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The EA Sports Maui Invitational championship gets going tonight with some big matchups, including Georgetown-Kansas, Michigan-Memphis, and Tennessee-Duke, among others. And when you tune in to catch the early season tests for title contenders, you’ll notice a celebratory series of newly minted and Hawaii-inspired shooting shirts and assorted other gear designed to “pay homage to Maui’s tropical waters.” Check out the artwork above, and read more details from our friends at adidas here:

adidas worked closely with local artist Che Pilago of Moku Nui apparel to create a Hawaiian inspired contemporary logo for the Maui edition college exclusive shooting shirts. At the center of the graphic represents Ku, the Hawaiian God of war, also connecting to an athlete warrior mindset. Above Ku, the parallel half circles signify striving and pushing to achieve one’s goals, while the braided ropes on either side represent teamwork and unity. The overall triangle design represents gaining strength from the islands. Overall, this contemporary adaptation honors the Hawaiian roots of the Maui Invitational.

Players will lace up sharp blue versions of the adiZero Crazy Light, the lightest basketball shoe ever, and the iconic Crazy 8 basketball shoe. Players and coaches will also wear the sharp blue adidas X-Hale Low training shoe.

Maui apparel will be worn exclusively by Kansas, Michigan, UCLA, Tennessee and host school Chaminade throughout the 10-day tournament. The adiZero Crazy Light is available now at Foot Locker, Eastbay and shopadidas.com.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/kicks/2011/11/adidas-maui-invitational-...

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November 21st, 2011 at 7:37 PM | True Point Guard (Score:1)
GoLabattBLUE
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Having a true point guard in Trey Burke made a huge difference.  He was consistently able to break the press and get the team to run the offence.  He is very good for a true freshman, can't wait to see him grow as Belein coaches him up!!!

November 21st, 2011 at 7:46 PM | electric blue shoes (Score:1)
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can't beat em - GO BLUE!

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November 21st, 2011 at 7:53 PM | Teams like Memphis will rarely go far without... (Score:1)
Mr. Yost
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Teams like Memphis will rarely go far without NBA level talent...and even those teams will struggle when it gets down to the final four.

Michigan is VERY similar to Butler. And look where Butler has been as of late. It starts on the defensive end as well.

Kentucky because of the top notch talent they recruit is the only team that's going to be able to get 5 one on one/superior athletes and say "go play." And I'd always take a good UNC or Duke or Kansas team over that Kentucky team if I had to pick. Memphis is a watered down Kentucky and that's just never going to work. I look at schools like UCF and they're a watered down Memphis which will never work.

Build me a quality basketball TEAM...and that's what Coach B has done. No question. This could be a special year, next year could be even better.

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November 21st, 2011 at 8:13 PM | Just to be Fair (Score:1)
coldnjl
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I think it works fine for them...Remember Derrick Rose? That is CURRENTLY farther than a UM team has gone lately. 

November 21st, 2011 at 8:20 PM | This is post-Calipari Memphis (Score:2)
WolvinLA2
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This is post-Calipari Memphis though.  That would be analogous to the Kentucky example he gave.  And Rose was a unique talent - he would lead almost any team pretty far.  Memphis isn't getting those kind of guys at the clip Calipari was, and will probably decline almost every year. 

November 22nd, 2011 at 9:03 AM | Wrong (Score:1)
Michigan4Life
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check Memphis recruiting classes since Pastner took over.  He did not miss a beat in the recruiting department and is still landing 5* players.

November 21st, 2011 at 7:58 PM | MBB (Score:1)
DPUblue
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They do NOT rack the disciprine.

Thank you very little.

November 21st, 2011 at 8:06 PM | Part of it, too, is that (Score:3 Normal)
turd ferguson
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Part of it, too, is that Beilein teams are hard to prepare for if you don't see them all the time (e.g., if you're a Clemson, Tennessee, or Duke).  He's unconventional enough that it gives teams fits when they're unfamiliar with how we play, and I get the sense that those teams start getting frustrated that they're struggling with a less athletic team.

November 21st, 2011 at 8:49 PM | If you have talent like Kentucky,Memphis,90-91Vegas or (Score:1)
marco dane
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Phi Slamma Jamma...you play to your strength. That line of thinking/coaching has led to bevy of talent going to those schools during their era,and bigtime baskeball being played.  In the end do you bring home the hardware,which is all that matters...those schools did or played in the big game. 

 

 

 

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November 21st, 2011 at 10:01 PM | I'm not sure what you're (Score:2 Normal)
dahblue
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I'm not sure what you're talking about...Michigan?  Memphis?  I watched the game and listened to the commentators and all I heard was how awesome Duke is and how Coach K's kisses feel like sweet nectar.  

November 21st, 2011 at 10:10 PM | Did you know Duke has never (Score:2)
BraveWolverine730
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Did you know Duke has never lost in this tournament? Because I don't think that it was mentioned enough during the broadcast. 

" I want to win Big 10 titles. Multiply. Consecutively. I just made that word up (multiply). I'm like that. I'm good at Scrabble."

November 22nd, 2011 at 5:07 AM | I watched the game and I (Score:1)
JDNorway
Joined: 08/22/2008
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I watched the game and I picked up on this factoid.

It was not surprising that the announcers had struggled to prepare much on the Michigan team. It seemed as if they had been very busy during their time in Hawaii. Poor guys, it must be a nightmare being assigned to games so far away from home.

November 22nd, 2011 at 12:48 AM | Can't believe there's no (Score:1)
maineandblue
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Can't believe there's no muppets. I was hoping for, but certainly not expecting that win. Other than beating Ohio on Saturday, I can't think of anything much sweeter than beating Duke, but even if we lose I bet we still move up in rankings.

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