Peppers at 10, which seems low.
not just a shooter? Does that work here?
But the drinking game remains in place for their career.
Just kidding....nothing will ever make me or any of us forget Nik Stauskas or the electrifying GR3. That being said, Aubrey is going to be a Dynamic athlete and Beilein could really turn this kid into another pro. This post just made my morning. If we add Aubrey Dawkins.....Holy shit! I really think this kid could by a hell of a player for us!
A bit more in the Beilein model than Abdur-Rahkman
Agreed. I don't mean to knock Abdur-Rahkman but his ceiling just doesn't seem to be as high as Dawkins. I still can't figure out why Dawkins isn't rated higher by the services, especially considering he plays in a pretty well scouted league and his dad is Johnny Dawkins.
Also, Raoul you are a very informative poster and I, for one, greatly appreciate the information you share.
we are looking at highlight tapes which skews out evaluations. There is a reason why he's not being offered by power conference teams. If his own dad does not offer his son to play at Stanford, there has to be a reason why.
Stanford has pretty high academic standards, that's more likely than his dad thinks he's not good enough
When he was in HS, his dad was the coach at Iowa State. He didn't think his own son was good enough to get a schollie offer at ISU. Obviously, he was wrong, but there is a case of his father being objective toward his son.
That could be the case, but I haven't heard anything about academics preventing him from getting a schollie offer at Stanford.
It is hard to tell what type of all around player one is just from watching a highlight tape but you can definitely get a sense of the talent level. With that said, you can definitely see Dawkins is extremely talented. As far as Stanford not extending an offer, that could be related to academics or maybe they just thought it would be best for Aubrey to branch out and be on his own.
Sam Webb thinks MAAR is the more further along skills-wise (not his exact words, but that was the gist).
Do we take both Dawkins and Abdur-Rahkman if both are offered?
We would have room for both even if Austin Hatch is on a basketball scholarship and McGary stays. The weird aspect is that we would have six scholarship freshmen, four of whom are wings, if you count DJ Wilson as a stretch four, otherwise five are wings.
This guy likes 'em both:
I think so. We are short a couple of scholarship players and it would be nice to have a couple guys who have experience when Caris and whoever else improves and makes the jump after next year.
I think both would commit if offered, but I'm not sure that offering both would be smart. Only need one and it would be good to save the other scholarship for next year's class or a grad transfer. Could save the extra spot for a big man.
I think we really need to look for a 5. Hopefully we'll have McGary, but if not the 5 spot is gonna be a true frosh (Doyle) or a stretch 4 out of position (Donnal). I think if we take one of these guys, we'll be good on wing for a while.
But of course, in Beilein we trust.
I agree if McGary leaves another big man is needed. If that happens then his scholarship can be used for one. Just my opinion.
We need another big body to pull down rebounds, score, and hopefully block a few shots in the 2015 class.
Not sure there's any need to save a scholarship for 2015 the way Beilein and his staff are preparing players for early NBA departures.
"Technically" we only have one open scholarship this year.
Say whatever you want about Hatch, but I don't believe Beilien would give him 0% chance of coming back from his injuries by putting him on a hardship before ever stepping foot on the court.
I agree with your second paragraph, but Michigan currently has two open scholarships for 2014-15. They had been one over the limit, but Horford, Stauskas, and Robinson all leaving leave them two under. See UMHoops' chart.
Teams can have 13 scholarship players.
By my count we have 7 currently on scholarship after the early departures:
Walton, Albrecht, Irvin, LeVert, McGary, Bielfeldt, and Donnal
We have four freshman coming in which makes 11.
We have two open slots currently.
Mitch is a huge lynch pin in this whole dynamic. I may have this confused, but didn't, per NCAA rules, the early entrees have to declare or pull their names out by yesterday? So, even though he has not announced anything, does Mitch already have his decision made? If so, I have to believe Coach B already knows this.
A son with NBA pedigree is usually a great thing, and Dawkins looks like he would be a great fit. I would welcome whomever the mIchigan coaches decide to bring on because they have proven they know what they are doing.
Do I think we need another big man? Absolutely! However, our coaches are way smarter than me and I trust them fully.
Also, is this a sign that we are out of the Eron Harris sweepstakes?
I sure would love a Hello post this weekend though!
The NCAA early entry deadline is essentially fictitious, because they can't force someone to come back to school if they decide not to afterwards. So he can basically say, "Oh yeah, I'll come back" and still change his mind until the NBA draft entry deadline.
and at this stage I wouldn't expect them to brought in for a visit unless their offers were planned.
We are in on some studs in 2015 and taking both would leave is unbalanced class wise and in terms of having too many similar type players.
My choices in order of preference would be Shayok > Dawkins > MAAR.
Hopefully we get the one that fits the program the best
Its a wonderful word.
All of your basketball-playing sons belong to us!
Although I love the name Muhammad Ali Abdur Rahkman, I think Dawkins would better thrive at Michigan. Losing GR3, I think we need another stud athlete and Dawkins fits that mold much better than Rahkman.
Wilson is that athlete.
I do think though that the addition of more athleticism to this team would be very beneficial. I felt at times this year that we were outmatched athletically--which in part goes to rebounding with GR3 as a 4. But to teams like Indiana and (obviously) Kentucky we gave up dunk after dunk and rebound after rebound due to our inferior athletic ability. I think Michigan is due to change with the guys we're bringing in though.
But athleticism never hurts
Ideally, I would love to get Dawkins and Marial Shayok. Shayok is caris levert 2.0. Really tall and lanky with surprisingly good handles. I agree with what others have said, Beilein could do special things with Dawkins
this to taking both Dawkins and MAAR.
You just don't normally get this type of talent this late. No reason why we shouldn't snag both of those kids. #NBAfactory
Dawkins would be awesome. Both is pushing it, unless people don't like Brunson, Coleman, McQuiad and a bigman?
Is this accurate? It shows Shayock decommitted on the 11th, and UM immediately offered? I thought Beilein only offered kids who had visited campus? (Not sure if Shayock visited pre Marquette commit)
As for Dawkins I am sure Beilein can make him a solid player but I am a bit worried about expectations I am reading on this board. Unlike the typical Beilein player Dawkins will be "old" for his class - which IMO is what we need with the potential losses of LeVert, and at this rate we have to assume Irvin in 12 months. But old for your class usually means you have more of an idea of what you are getting with less upside - he will be 20 next year. So from a maturity standpoint that is a good thing but it probably takes away some upside. And guys not every player that has no BCS offer is going to be LeVert Jr. If Dawkins is a solid 4 year bench player we can snag this late in the process we should be content.
Shayock on the other hand looks like a typical Beilein pull and has offers from Virginia and Indiana. I know it is not all about offer sheet but I think expectations have gotten out of hand in terms of what we expect this staff to do with every kid.
p.s. I know Stanford is a fantastic school but I am a bit wary of the academic standards argument - I cannot believe that every kid on that football team is a genius. And I would think (Harbaugh alert) that our standards are not THAT far below Stanford's for athletes.
The shayock rumor was quickly debunked.
We REALLY want Jalen Coleman
I feel good that this staff will find an answer- looking forward to a hello post in the next few days!
Dawkins seems like the better athlete with more upside and potentially a better fit.
I can't stand it when they change speeds and clip the action too tight. I have no idea how quick Dawkins is from either video. I also have no idea on his handle.
As with almost all highlight videos, how accurately he shoots from outside is unknown. He could range from a sharp shooter to those were the only shots he hit all year.
He has a great name, but hard to get excited without seeing more.
had him as a 30% three point shooter this high school season. How accurate that is, I have no clue. Had him at 32% the year prior.
Well, if you have the time, here's a full-game video from November. Dawkins is #15 in white.
Thanks. I'll find some time this weekend. Much appreciated.
Just curious, have you watched already and have an assessment?
No, I've watched only a minute or two. Assessing players isn't my forte anyway.
However I would find myself inclined to first try to add Dawkins to the class, then MAAR if he does not bite. I would be hesitant to offer both because even though the chances of LeVert going pro after next season seem likely, I want a stud SG in the 2015 class. We're well in the hunt for Jalen Coleman, I would not want to jeopardize that (caveats about predicting future class sizes applying here obviously).
Don't expect a commitment from Dawkins this weekend if he gets a Michigan offer, as he still plans to visit Dayton, according to this tweet from his AAU team:
6-6 Aubrey Dawkins going on an official visit to Michigan tomorrow. Will also be visiting Dayton officially next week as well @Coach_Dawkins
— Compton Magic (@Compton_Magic) April 17, 2014
Michigan is apparently interested in Cole Huff, who's transferring from Nevada. He's a 6-8 sophomore forward who averaged 12.4 points and 5.4 rebounds in 2013-14 and led his team in 3-point shooting (40.3%) and free-throw shooting (82.2%). Nevada is prohibiting him from transferring to about 45 schools, mostly on the West Coast.
He's appealed the decision, but in the meantime, Michigan is among the schools who have asked for and received his release in order to be able to contact him (per his former AAU coach, Clint Parks).
Iowa creighton Dayton Michigan Nebraska have received Cole Huff release. After his appeal hearing Cole and his family will setup visits
— clint parks (@Brotherhood05) April 17, 2014