jaggs

May 24th, 2010 at 11:07 AM ^

a nice class being put together at LSU - 5 players in the top 30 already. Anyone know when Rivals unveils the Rivals 100 and 250???

Space Coyote

May 24th, 2010 at 11:12 AM ^

Are by far the teams to beat so far.  Not as much here, but on Scout Texas is scattered across the top players fairly frequently (as usual after their junior days).  Hopefully we can manage to pouch some of the talent from LA this year as there seems to be an abundance, especially on the lines.

Magnus

May 24th, 2010 at 11:17 AM ^

By my count, we've offered 36 of those guys, including the top three.  Unfortunately, our chances are slim with the vast majority of those guys.

Justice Hayes was ranked #59 or something like that.  Which . . . like . . . he's really not that good.  That was the biggest "overrated" alarm that went off in my head.

Marqise Williams is pretty high up there.  It would be swell if we could pick him up and he likes us, but I think the depth chart will end up hurting us there.

spacemanspiff231

May 24th, 2010 at 3:42 PM ^

Yeah I was surprised too by how high Marquise Williams was rated.  I think we have a really good chance with him.  But why do you think Hayes isn't that good?  Do you really have any evidence to give, such as his vision isn't that great or that he runs too upright or what?  Or are you just saying that b/c more people want Hart rather than Hayes.  As far as I'm concerned, Hayes has an offer from every single Big Ten school with the lone exception of OSU, and unless every Big Ten school has no eye for talent, I think that Hayes must be pretty damn good.  Now, is he better than other players that he's ranked in front of like Deanthony Arnett, Garrett Greenlea, Doran Grant?  Most likely not.  But to say that he's not very good would be inaccurate.

WolvinLA2

May 24th, 2010 at 3:56 PM ^

Saying someone is overrated at #59 overall is not the same as saying he isn't very good.  We don't have a RB on our team who was ever in the top 100 (Shaw was 102 to Rivals).  

Also, saying a kid has offers from almost everyone in the Big Ten outside of OSU (Rivals doesn't report a PSU offer either, FTR) does not a fringe top 50 player make.  A RB at #59 should have more than just above average local offers - he should either have some elite schools from outside the area, or have every elite team in the area after him, and Hayes does not.  If he wasn't an in-state kid, I'm not every sure if M would have offered.  Take a look at Arnett's offer list, and compare it to Hayes, and tell me if they should be ranked anywhere near each other.

spacemanspiff231

May 24th, 2010 at 5:03 PM ^

You didn't say a single thing that disagreed with anything I said.  I addressed myself that he was overrated at 59 by saying that other players that he was ranked higher than were better than him.  What my post was addressing was the comment Magnus made that Hayes "like.... he's really not that good."  I understand what Magnus was getting at, that he is overrated on this list, and he is.  But a lot of people on this blog have been saying that he's just not all that great, period.  He is very good.  He's definitely a top 250 player.  And he's definitely someone that we should be recruiting very hard, which a lot of people seem to be saying the opposite.

WolvinLA2

May 24th, 2010 at 5:32 PM ^

Then that's not what I thought you were saying.  When Magnus said "not that good" he meant "not good" to mean "#59."  Because you were refuting that statement, I assumed you felt that he was worthy of that ranking.  At no point did you say anything along the lines of "I too believe he's not the 59th best player in the country, but I still feel he's worthy of an offer."  Had you said that, and if you feel that way, then I agree. 

Obviously he's pretty good, or a bunch of Big Ten teams wouldn't have offered.  But the fact that he doesn't have any big time offers outside of his home state suggests he's not "very good." 

That said, I'm glad we offered him, and I'd be happy if we got him, but I hope he's not the #1 RB in our class. 

Magnus

May 24th, 2010 at 5:53 PM ^

When I say "he's not that good," I don't mean that he's bad.  I mean he's not #59 good.  He's not top-100 good.  Is he top 250?  Sure.  I'll agree with that.  His offer list isn't out of this world, and he's not a fringe 5-star player.  He's probably the 5th best player in the state and I'd take a bunch of running backs ahead of him (Hart, Huggins, Bellamy, and Blakely, to name a few).

WolvinLA2

May 24th, 2010 at 11:30 AM ^

I don't think it's so much that he isn't getting any love, but more that a lot of people think he's a 101-250 type player, not top 100.  

Part of that might be due to size.  He's not a perfect fit for as many offenses as a 5'11" or 6'0" RB would be.  For us, though, he's great.  Poor, poor fit at Bama or Auburn (Dee, are you reading this???)

Bosch

May 24th, 2010 at 11:42 PM ^

were submitted in a span of 21 minutes.... and they were all in different threads.  So I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he doesn't put all that much thought into content.

Why the Lemmings continue to give the guy love, even though he rarely shares an original thought, is difficult to understand.