It's sad the most shocking thing about that quote for me was the fact he took golf, fishing, and softball as classes.
I take it you are too young to remember Andy Katzenmoyer?
Katz was at Ohio back when I lived in Columbus, I knew quite a few people that took Golf Appreciation with him.
Only for them, it was a fun senior year...I've done my work course. For him it was a keep me eligible, I'm never going to graduate so let me take 5 years of electives in 3 so I can get out of your hair and on to the NFL course.
Holy moly! Yeah, that was a bit before my time.
The insane Clarett saga just keeps getting better. And after grinding through a UM undergrad engineering curriculum, I'm both saddened and jealous that someone's college experience can be comprised of a smattering of physical education courses.
Not only did you study engineering, but you did so at Michigan; two things you should ( and I am pretty sure you are) be very proud of. We all see how his college "education" has served him. If anybody should be jealous here it is me. I secretely harbor a little bit of it towards all of the UM grads and alumi on here. Not in the perceived Spary sense mind you, but in the fact that I wish I could say that I am a UM grad/student. It's one thing to be a fan of UM and a supporter of the university, but to say you walked the Diag, or partied at Rick's and had a Bllimpy burger the morning after, and most importanly, possess a UM degree is just a whole different experience.
Jealous because my golf game *really* suffered while at UM because I had no time to golf. A golf phys ed course would have been a great excuse to keep my game sharp! I attended grad school at an ACC university, and I was jealous when I found out that undergrads were required to take phys ed. Stupid, petty jealously.
I, of course, am completely happy to not be in Maurice's current situation thanks in part to my UM degree.
Given that he ended up in jail, I'm not jealous at all.
Yeah what a moron. He could have also taken bowling.
You have to read between the lines. The most shocking thing is that he took golf, fishing and softball as classes but was still flunking out of school!
Here he is going fishing. The sad thing is the NCAA will go all Honey Badger on this and not give a shit.
Annnddd how is ohio not getting in trouble when he just clearly said he was taking money?
Because it's The Ohio State University...and the NCAA is a joke.
Statute of limitations? I can't imagine Clarett would have spoken out like this if OSU could get in trouble for it. As far as I know, he doesn't have any axe to grind with them, does he?
He's a felon, no one believes him. He's made too many mistakes to be taken seriously or to be a credible source in the eyes of many.
And yes, everyone in Ohio hates him. They love Tressel, he's the one who got that NC ring, not Clarett.
Ohio will never get in trouble, but we knew it was going on...we also knew nothing was going to happen.
You think Troy Smith wasn't getting anything? Mr. Pryor? I've seen with my own eyes Terrelle Pryor (on an unofficial visit during a dead period) taken from his seats at a Ohio Basketball game and taken on a Facility Tour during the game. Guess who else happened to be on that tour? Mr. Tressel. Sure they "bumped" into each other and talked in the hallway for 30 minutes before TP found his way back to those seats that he paid for on his unofficial.
Clarett's cars were incredible though - that guy didn't even TRY to hide it. I felt like TP did, but he was just too flashy of a personality to do it. Couldn't help himself. But Mo was the OG of that Tressel era - its a shame that the whole state dumped on him while they hail the old man as a scarlet and grey pope.
Actual photo of NCAA reaction when a university obstructs and obscures an investigation rather than cooperates.
Plus, one man's word against another isn't enough for investigators to find wrongdoing. But yeah, I'm surprised that nothing came out of it when he tried to cooperate with the NCAA back in 2004.
It never made sense. The NCAA ruled him permanently ineligible based on benefits he received during his year there, but somehow did not require OSU to vacate the games he played in.
Because Clarett lost his case against the NFL and had to wait a year to get drafted, got way out of shape, and had an awful combine. At that point his agent (who wrote a book about how he was paying college players but didn't have Maurice until later) got Clarett to recant everything he had said about Ohio State as part of a general whitewashing of his image. It worked--he got drafted despite being utterly useless to the NFL. And that as far as the NCAA was concerned was enough to not investigate.
Yes the statute of litations for anything that went on in 2002 is now up. If it was a real legal case it was obviously an ongoing conspiracy, but NCAA doesn't work that way--if the school won't admit guilt and accept sanctions they seldom do much, a few notable examples nonwithstanding.
The internal investigation clearly revealed that nothing wrong ever happened. In fact, it is an insult for you to ask the question!
He was interviewed when the NCAA did their investigation in columbus. At that time he said nothing was going on. The guy has changed his story almost on a weekly basis and this just screams I need money buy my book.
Not be bothered with small stuff like that
as we speak they are not getting ready to play ND for the Mythical National Title, so I think they find of are.
I think Clarett said that he acted on his own accord. At least that's what he claimed when he was in prison.
That should never have washed with the NCAA if he used that excuse with them. You don't get 3 luxury cars "on your own accord".
Yeah, I would have gone to OSU if I could take golf, fishing, softball classes, get paid and own three cars as well.
I still wouldn't.
Not if the outcome meant you had to spend time in the Ohio prison system...
There's a difference between the two???
Dear Mitch, if you're holding this letter you already know. The house has been boarded up. The doors. The windows. Everything. We're at the Comfort Inn. Room 112. I love you. Frank
will feel the slighest bit bad about any of that. They truly are a win at all costs institution and that credo permeates the entire sick lot of them starting at the top with Gee, Smith and now Meyer.
Its disgusting and no one seems to care.
to Facebook, and within 5 minutes I got replies from 4 Buckeye fans who said the only reasn I posted it was because I was mad they beat Michigan this year, or that it doesn't matter because it was so long ago, or some other reply intimating that I was simply jealous or whatever.
I thought about asking them if they really wanted their kids to idolize such a place and what that would ultimately teach their children about their parents and life in general, then I decided I didnt want this to take over my day, and I just took it down.
Like my sig line used to say, "Never argue with a fool. People may not know the difference"
"I thought about asking them if they really wanted their kids to idolize such a place"
Benoit.....I live down here. The answer to that question would be an emphatic YES!
My family moved me from Ferndale to the East SIde of Cleveland in 1978. Much of my childhood was spent running from older kids before I got on the bus after school, because they wanted to beat me for wearing Michigan gear (my sarcastic personality probably helped as well). And that was only in Cleveland.
I live outside of Columbus now, and I've had grown men shout out to me in a parking lot "Michigan sucks!". This is while they are walking into Target with their kids, as I am walking out with mine.
I haved lived amongst Ohio fans most of my life. When they ask me how I can be a Michigan fan since I live in Ohio, I wish I had a video to replay for them of me hiding in the bathroom as a ten year old because the 7th graders have threatened to gang up on me on the way out to the buses.
i also live in northeast ohio and wear my michigan hat everywhere i go. i get a bit of harassment, but i'm 6'2" 250lbs, most people tend to leave me alone. lol
I've lived in the Cleveland area for four and a half years now and I've had absolutely zero issues. I overheard one OSU fan in a bar talking that he would rather beat an undefeated UofM team. I am not 6'-2' and 250 and have no problem wearing my gear. Cleveland is a Browns city before and OSU one.
and thanks to my Grandfather (who had Browns season tickets from 1946-1985), I am one of the downtrodden masses who has had to deal with Art Modell and Randy Lerner. I know the Fords haven't been much better for Lions fans, but I feel confident in saying Art Modell might very well have been the worst owner in the NFl's history.
I do apologize if this had already been covered, but was Clarett ever brought in and interviewed during the initial investigation, and if not is there enough smoke with these comments to open as second, separate investigation?
They wanted Clarett to talk, and for a while it appeared as though he may. Ultimately though, he was re-accepted into the fold at OSU (I think he even tried to take some more classes there), and he never gave the NCAA anything.
And since it was 10 years ago, I doubt it would matter anyway. Come to think of it, since this is the NCAA we are talking about, it could have been 10 minutes ago and it wouldn't matter.
Clarett an apartment in Columbus or some such story, or did that come later? I always thought he was doing that to help ensure Clarett kept his mouth shut.
Ten years ago, OSU nation would have denied those quotes and called them flat out lies (which they did.)
Today, they acknowledge that cheating and ask,"so what? Yeah, we break the rules, but rules are stupid so we shouldn't be punished. We cheat but we still beat you."
Seriously, fuck OSU.
when they played in the Sugar Bowl and one of the announcers said OSU's style reminded him of SEC schools. I thought that was an ironic comment.
And their punishment was an upgrade at coach and a one year bowl ban. Oh and the easiest possible division to win of all the BCS conferences. I for one am shocked attendance is down. The sport really has its priorities in line from what I can see.
All biases aside, I think Tressell was a better coach than Meyer.
Ahhhh, but what a one year bowl ban it turned out to be.
Undefeated but watching the NC on TV, just like my grandma.
Don't Big Ten rules require a player to make progress each term toward graduation? That lineup of classes doesn't sound like it.
The NCAA requires this now.
the loophole are those self-directed or special studies sorts of majors, where you basically make a case that a particular unique course of study has some sort of academic merit, counselors/professors/administrators sign off on it, and you basically do whatever you want. Maybe Big Kat and Mo were "Recreational Studies" majors, which necessitated that they take golf, bowling, softball, etc.
Here's the actual rule, which is based more on credit hours:
220.127.116.11 Fulfillment of Credit-Hour Requirements.
Eligibility for competition shall be determined based on satisfactory completion of at least: (Revised: 1/10/92, 10/31/02 effective 8/1/03, 3/10/04, 4/28/05)
(a) Twenty-four-semester or 36-quarter hours of academic credit prior to the start of the student-athlete’s second year of collegiate enrollment (third semester, fourth quarter); (Revised: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/03)
(b) Eighteen-semester or 27-quarter hours of academic credit since the beginning of the previous fall term or since the beginning of the certifying institution’s preceding regular two semesters or three quarters (hours earned during the summer may not be used to fulfill this requirement) (see Bylaw 18.104.22.168.4); and (Revised: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/03)
As Oriental Andrew points out, and if you read subsequent sections of the rules on progress requirements, nothing is stopping any student-athlete from creating their own specialized program as long as the degree program is declared by their third year of eligibility. As there are numerous golf-related courses at Ohio State, the man who once said "It's a humbling thing being humble" at his combine interview could very well have majored in golf (if the Ohio State would have signed off on that, which they might have) and no one would be able to complain about it by the rules.
This is another rule which is intriguing for what it doesn't say more than anything.
If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'.
They must try so hard that it hurts.
Man I wish ohio would have recruited me, I could always use more money, cars, and girls. I also wouldn't mind taking a golf or baseball class. I would be a straight A student.
You forgot the drugs.
He needs MORE of some things... he's obviously got plenty of drugs.
To happen were both honored at halftime by the school and fans.
Jim Tressel is one of the biggest phonies in the history of college football.
I'll have the opportunity to meet Mr. Clarrett tomorrow. Maybe I'll ask a follow up question for my fellow MGoBloggers...
you'd probably be best to ask the question, "sir, how are you?"
I wouldn't want to ask a former D-1 football athlete any question that grinds their gears.
It's in a work environment. I'll be fine.
Pain is honesty leaving the body.
and Tressel is gone. They don't have to worry. Bastards!
no one else was forced out. Only if the ncaa would have question TP's roomate...hmm??
Probably get neg-bombed for this, but reading the article, it seems like the dude went through a lot and appears to have come out the other side a better person for it. I'm actually happy for the guy.
When people with that kind of natural talent have the world given to them, and it all happens so easy, that's when trouble starts. Particularly at a place like ohio where they're in the win-at-all-costs, sell your soul BUSINESS. He stood no chance. Good to see he has his head screwed on correctly today.
Tressell was/is a piece of sh*t. He didn't care about any of these kids. Can't think of anyone I'd want to piss on more.
The thing that still makes my blood boil is that Tressel's entire projection was a hypocritical sham.
Even though all of this was facilitated under his watch, he's honored at halftime during an undefeated season that he personally ruined for the fans and school that are honoring him.
In spite of all of this, the fan base still acts like he's the victim.
is that I was in Columbus for this years game and they CHEERED him. I was trying to remind people that had he not done what he had, they would be playing for a shot at the title game smh
Troy Smith did,for the betterment of tuos,fall on the sword.
I still maintain...the vest is one helluva of guy. Stadium full endorse him several weeks ago advancing my statement.
Someone send this to Rhamzy at 11warriors.
as Viagra for a eunuch.
Please don't ask me to re-comb through the 11w comment section (even several of their mods are raging douchenozzles) and kill more braincells but I distinctly remember at least one poster there insisting that Tressel *did* report the Tat 5 as he was bound to do but still fell on his sword for the sake of the institution as a whole.
Even if that was true (spoiler: it's not) you still have a decade long case of Tressel at the very least consistently invoking willful ignorance when it came to side benefits and other shenaningans his players were getting. I can't argue against his merits as a football coach, but call a spade a spade - he's a sanctimonious hypocrite who built his empire on a foundation of lies, half-truths and an utter lack of integrity.
My buddy went to a random osu game this year and said Clarett had a booth outside the stadium which wasn't affiliated to the university. He said for 20 bucks, you get his autograph and a picture taken with him. Sounds pretty desperate if you ask me.
and pathetic, in a really pathetically pathetic sort of way.
I ran into Clarett quite a few times over the summer at the gym, and he was actually really quiet and seemed to be a polite guy. There were several of guys for the Omaha Nighhawks working at at the gym I go to, fairly certain Antonio Pittman was one of them as well. Not sure if he even made the team this time around.
From what I have heard, the UFL was having a hard time even paying any of the players and missed payroll to start the year, and I think the top guys only make around $40-50k for a season.
Quite a fall from what he received at OSU from the sounds of it.
anybody can take OSU athletic achievements seriously!
Dunno what you all are talking about, I'd love to take a golf course instead of an engineering one.
Crazy old Maurice...hmmmmmm....crazy old Maurice.
Since the NCAA ignored most of their rules regarding enforcement, statute of limitations, and standards of proof with PSU, it's time for them to finally listen to Maurice Clarrett and hammer Ohio State with the sanctions they deserve for 10 years of cheating.
Two more years of bowl ban and five years of 10 schollies per season would work nicely.