if they change the divisions to put us in the same division as Ohio. I hate the idea of playing them two weeks in a row.
Also, don't add Rutgers.
if they change the divisions to put us in the same division as Ohio. I hate the idea of playing them two weeks in a row.
Also, don't add Rutgers.
Why? Rutgers fits the Big Ten much more than Maryland does and their fans actually want to join.
on a positive note..i do look for the big ten elite episode of 2001 maryland football. that legendary orange bowl team will go down as one of the greatest big ten teams ever.
I never knew.
Some fairly passionate fans apparently.
Assuming that they go to 14 or 16, I think they'll have to put us in the same division as OSU. That's too many teams for the protected rivalry thing to work. Think about it like this:
If you have two divisions of seven teams each, you have six games locked in against other teams in your division. Now figure that you have a protected cross-divisional rival. That means that you'll never have more than one game against the other six teams (with an eight-game conference schedule). In other words, we'd play in Madison or State College once every 12 years. That can't possibly work. It'd be a little better with a nine-game conference schedule but not much.
Divisional realignment - specifically, Michigan and OSU getting in the same division - is the one reason I'm kind of okay with this.
Do you have to have divisions to have a conference championship game? Instead of divisions, what makes more sense to me is taking the #1 and #2 teams from the non-divisionalized (totally made up that word) conference and have them play for the championship. Even without protected rivalries, with divisions you've got 2 non-divisional, conference games against 7 teams. So, once every seven years in Madision or State College.
Yes, current rules state that to have a conf. championship game, you need to have divisions.
Only bright side of this move is a chance to fix the divisional setup. In my perfect world the divisions would be realigned like so:
Central: Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana
Northwest/East: Nebraska, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Maryland, Rutgers
- almost every major rivalry game is protected within division (except Little Brown Jug) and creates East Coast partner schools for PSU
- Eliminates need for the protected crossover thus enabling 2 rotating interdivisional games per year (one of the biggest problems with the SEC setup)
I agree this is the only possible upside.
It is time to start bombing Brandon, Delaney, and Gene Smith with this realignment plan. It maintains the sanctity of the league's key rivalries while ensuring reasonable competitive balance. You have to believe the general feeling at the league office is going to be to keep Michigan and OSU divided in the hopes for the return championship game. The fanbases need to voice that maintaining the rivalry as an end of year thing, and as a regular elimination game for the conference title, is more important.
Penn State would complain about the above alignment, because their supposed rivalry with OSU would go out the door, but fuck them, they're going to whine about whatever happens and no one at OSU considers that a rivalry anyway. They can have their "eastern rivals."
And the league must now go to 9 games.
My question to you about your division splits is, do you think the schools in the Northwest/East division would think it's fair that they would literally have to fly almost cross country to their away games while teams in the central division could basically drive to theirs?
I love the split and I think it's perfect, but I wonder if travel costs would prevent something like this. Just wondering your opinion.
But I think it is a sacrifice the NW schools (Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, & Iowa) would make to ensure they played each other every year. PSU already has Wisconsin in their division and has Nebraska as a protected crossover so it's not a huge change, but they do lose the PSU-OSU rivalry. On the flip side, this may be the only way to get PSU, Rutgers, & Maryland in the same division, and I think long term PSU fans may be happy about that in terms of local rivals.
in terms of travel, is there a huge difference between flying from the East Coast to Chicago, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Madison, or Iowa?
East vs West Allignment seems to make the most sense
East: Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, Michigan, OSU, Purdue, Indiana
West: Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern, MSU
Good competitive balance with penn state down for the near future. UM vs MSU can have a protected crossover.
Unlikely Big Ten puts Michigan, OSU and PSU in same division for competitive reasons. Michigan, PSU, OSU, and Nebraska will be split evenly between the divisions IMO.
This season was PSU's high water mark for the next decade. If reallignment occurs for the 2014 season, PSU will already be an afterthought in the B1G.
they are still recruiting better than half the teams in the Big Ten. With these divisions, you have to think long term, and with that in mind, PSU will most likely contend again down the road.
And you have something there.
No officially official link yet. Board explosion halted for probably another hour or so...
gee hope everyone is alright
TomVH is pretty official....
ESPN Big 10 blog also reporting it.
According to reporters on the scene. Man. This might have made sense 10 years ago.
One of those things where since it was unanimous you wonder.. hey wait... is this a good idea for the B1G? Kind of like if you like a girl, then all of a sudden you have the courage to ask her out, and he says yes instantly... What....crickets? Ahh Nevermind.
Its probably one of the things where on a secret ballot the board vote would not have been unanimous, but the dissenters realized they were outnumbered and for the sake outward appearance they all voted the same way. Boards often do that to avoid projecting dissension and instead projecting the notion that this is such a great idea that we all agree.
we'll get to see Diggs in action. Sorry....
This means that Diggs is coming to play at Michigan!
Pipkins loves him some Diggs.
If it happens soon enough could also get to see Countess on Diggs.
Good Lord this is yet something else we can blame on the SEC - if they hadn't been stupid and expanded to 14 maybe Delaney and Co. wouldn't have come up with the brilliantly idiotic idea of adding 2 sh!tty schools just so we can have 14.
It's the same point as was made before - yes they do "add" the NY and DC markets but there's one big problem with that... NO ONE CARES ABOUT RUTGERS OR MARYLAND FOOTBALL! Guh
I'll go prepare for this to be made official, I actually thought the addition of Nebraska was good - they really do fit our history and our demographic but those eastern schools - yeah, it's just not the same over there...
The Big Ten started this expansion nonsense don't go blaming the SEC. Everyone else freaked out because of what we did and overreacted and almost created super conferences of 20 teams. Remember the pods?
I hate this move but I'll deal with it.
... we weren't the ones that went totally stupid and went to 14 teams. 14 teams serves no purpose whatsoever. At least if you go to 16 then you can just pretend like you're two different conferences who meet at the end of the year. At 14 you get massive unbalanced scheduling and don't get the minor incentive of really belonging to something (i.e. The B1G or whatever division you're in).
I wouldn't be surprised to see something stupid like what they did in the SEC - despite the fact that both schools are on 1 side of the conference foot print they would put them in different divisions and guarantee a cross over game for them.
If you want to go back to Penn State, then yes. If you mean adding Nebraska, well there were 3 other conferences with a conference championship game already before the Big Ten, so 3 conferences at 12. We just wanted to make our $$$'s too.
If you want to blame someone, blame Texas and Notre Dame. Texas made it so no one wanted to be with them in a conference, so Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and even A&M left. And Notre Dame because their insistence on being an independant and thumbing their noses at the Big Ten kept them from being the logical 12th member which probably would have left Nebraska where it was, and none of the rest happens. Notre Dame trying to cling to independence while finding a conference that makes them still "national" rather than letting things logically fall regionally is where it all started.
Dont forget that the Big Ten started all of this by adding Nebraska. And really, it started when they launched the Big Te Network. When that turned into a cash cow, conference expansion and the additional subscribes that come with it made a lot of sense. Financially anyways. That started this whole thing and prompted the Pac-10 to add Colorado and Utah to add to their soon-to-launch network's footprint, which prompted the SEC to add TAMU and Mizzou to strengthen their own brand.
TL;DR -- it is, and always has been about the money and not the athletics.
Going to 12 to get a conference championship game is different then going to 14. If you want to blame somebody for realignment look no further than Texas.
Texas' role in the Big Ten's motives has been minimal. If anything, Texas adding the LHN was a (over) reaction to the success of the Big Ten Network. Yes getting to 12 for a conf champ game is different than going to 14. But the Big Ten went to 12 for the money that comes with a conf champ game, and they are going to 14 because of the money that comes with expanding your BTN footprint.
Like I said, it has been, and always will be about money. You could trace almost all of the motives for the recent way of expansion to the fallout from the huge success of the Big Ten Network. That's your culprit. Not Texas, not Notre Dame, and not the SEC.
Delaney said he wanted to do this for years . . . expand the B1G footprint to areas of the country that are actually growing demographically. It was always a priority.
Smart or stupid, he tends to do what he says he will do.
More expansion to the south/east is coming.
False, Colorado was the first team to leave their conference. This caused Nebraska to leave because they didn't think the big 12 was strong enough to survive. They were almost right, Texas was 36 hours away from leaving the Big 12 and taking all their minions with them to the PAC 10. The only reason Texas stayed was because the big 12 gave them the majority share in profit and permission to create the Longhorn Network. The second wave of realignment was started by Texas A&M because of non equal sharing revenue and Texas pulling in the majority of all profits.
It's 100% about money. What does Maryland even bring to the table other than AAU membership and the vague possibility of the DC/Baltimore markets?
What Stefon Diggs wants, Stefon Diggs gets.
Obviously this is a money grab, but one thing Maryland and Rutgers do bring to the table are Division 1 lacrosse teams. This means that now the following schools in the Big 10 have lacrosse (assuming both MD and Rugters join): Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, MD, and Rutgers. We'd just need 1 more team for a Big Ten lacrosse conference.
Unfortunately neither school brings a hockey team however.
I bet we start a Big Ten lacrosse team with just the five. With a team like Maryland who gets an at-large every year anyway and OSU and PSU who are close, you don't really need an autobid. That way everything is in place when other Big Ten teams add lacrosse.
The B1G (B14?), eventually B16, won't start sponsoring a sport until there are six teams. it took PSU to add hockey to make that happen. Until then Big Ten lacrosse is in a similar situation. Will be interesting to see if the five conference programs band together now or stay in other auto-bid conferences until a sixth school adds the sport or further expansion gets the number up. Women's lacrosse will have six now (Northwestern has women's, but not men's), so they will be good to go.
Let's go Sparty. Get your program going again so we can get this thing started.
As a lacrosse fan, I love this. It adds one great program and another decent one, both in recruiting and alumni hotbeds.
As a football fan, I hate this. But I still want us playing Ohio State every year to go to the Rose Bowl and play the Pac 10 winner. I am determined to remember the good old days as the good old days.
You might be right, but I'm not sure that'll be the case. Big Ten waited for 6 in hockey because the 5 that already had it were split over only two conferences, they were 2 of the top conferences in college hockey and those programs were established in their confereces at the time, there were established rivalries, high levels of competition, etc.
For lacrosse the situation will be very different. The 5 schools are currently spread across 4 leagues, with the two new-comers likely being without a league once they join the Big Ten officially. Do you make Rutgers and Maryland play in a temp league (knowing a decent one won't want them on a short term basis) or make them hang out independent without an autobid anyway? And it's not like OSU and UM have any real connection to the ECAC teams they play (which just got weaker with Loyola bailing).
Point is, hockey was stable, so it made sense to wait for a sixth. Lacrosse is not, so they may play with 5 while they wait for a sixth to come. I don't think the autobid issue will be a problem since the best team out of that group (most certainly Maryland, at least the next few years) will get an at-large anyway, like they did in the ACC.
Also - the most recent rumors I've heard suggest Minnesota is the next Big Ten team to add lacrosse, and it might happen sooner rather than later.
The DC-Baltimore market is about ten million people. That is a huge number of people and the demographics are very solid in terms of income. Maryland is ranked academically ahead of a number of B1G schools.
Don't know about Rutgers but NJ alone has nine million people, plus NYC. You have just covered about 7 percent of the US population, not including NYC, if the two teams join. That's a lot of people and a very large revenue stream.
My brother-in-law and family live the the DC-Baltimore area and are already huge B1G fans. So, this does not bring them into the B1G fold (already there). Rather than the pool the important consideration is the incremental number of fans added. I see this coming from two groups: 1) casual fans that would more often tune into the B1G if it was more readily accessible and 2) fans of the existing schools. A much smaller number than the total market.
I lived in DC for 11 years after graduation and our alumni association is very strong there. There are tons of our alumni there and the same is true of the other B1G schools. The same will be true if/when Rutgers joins and you technically pull in the NYC market.
My big problem is that DC is an awful college football area. It's Redskins or die for the natives in the Fall. On the flip side, it's a pretty good college hoops area. UMD-Duke was a great rivalry from 2000-on.
to having this inflicted on my eyes on a more regular basis.
On a positive note, hopefully this will lead to both a realignment of divisions and also getting rid of the stupid Leaders/Legends names.
High schools in Texas have bigger stadiums. Of course, they really pack the stadium - this was from the BC game.
It's not viewership, it's the carriage charges that the Big 10 network gets from every subscriber if it's on basic cable in the MD/DC/NoVa (doubtful) area.
Its about basketball at MD, indiana football doesn't really sell out but the big ten still gets its money from indiana tv sets, same will be true with md
I doubt Delany would be doing this unless he had a good feel that cable companies in the footprint would put BTN on basic cable. If there's one thing he's shown, it's an understanding of how those companies operate and the ability to successfully negotiate with them.
I think the New York market is still a question, mainly because Cablevision is somewhat of a lone operator, but I think all the other companies that serve the new footprint are companies that the Big 10 has dealt with in expanding the network throughout the footprint.
I believe that Fox and the Big Ten will try to use the YES Network as a way to get the BTN on to basic cable in NJ and NYC. With Fox having a large stake in both networks, it only makes sense that they'll tell Comcast/Cablevision/Etc.: you don't get YES without the BTN being on basic.
That makes a lot of sense. YES is a huge bargaining chip in the city.
it won't be that difficult to get tickets for road games. Road trip FTW!
I was there for a Thursday night game in 2000 against FSU and that place was 3/4 full. There was no sweet Capital One logos then. FSU was only #2 in the country at the time so I guess that's not a big deal. I left at halftime and I think the final was like 59-7 or something awful like that.
Please add Virginia Tech or Georgia Tech to counter (or clemson, Miami, or Louisville anybody!). Please.
The idiocy of the phrase "maybe official."
Come on now...
well it pretty much was but i had no verifiable link so i wanted to qualify it, also im studying for a french test. looks like major news outlets have picked up on it so if i knew how to change the title i would make it official
"view" and "voting details" is an edit button. If you click that you cab edit anything in the original post.
Ugh, more body bag teams in a conference with already a weak reputation. Think they'll expand to 9 conference games? It would kinda blows to lose flexibility for a good OOC matchup, but then again we always have a cupcake game anyway.
other "super"-conferences and the end of our Notre Dame series are both making it much harder to schedule good OOC games. Scheduling two good OOC games a year is becoming much much more difficult. Hopefully we can counter this by playing one more good BIG team each season.
Maryland is a strong addition to the conference's basketball lineup. Not so hot lately, but historically, they good. As for Rutgers though...who knows. Guess everyone in the conference in football/basketball gets and extra W or two each season now.
Any timeframe mentioned?
I had read in another article if they met the August 2013 deadline, that would be the earliest they could get out.
Does this mean OSU gets a free ride to the B1G title game every year? If the divisions are split geographically, that means OSU could play Penn St, Maryland and Rutgers every year and have their division wrapped up before November.
If they go east and west I would assume Michigan goes east and they split up the Indiana schools
The key thing now from the Michigan fan perspective is to push for Michigan and OSU to be in the same division.
So disappointed on so many levels. These teams do not add new markets. No one cares about them in their region. They are average academically or the B10, below average in sports, no tradition. It will not help with recruiting. However thy decide to realign the divisions we are now unlikely to play a traditional rival like Wisco but every 6 years. Horrible uniforms (Maryland). a fan base that does not care (Rutgers). This is just bad on every level. Other ACC teams are happy with this move. This moe brings down the cache and quality of the conference rather than increase it when we brought in Nebraska. Te identity of the schools do not fit in with the conference. I am just sad.
Sorry for spelling mistakes, iPhone
So having ABC games with the B1G instead of Clemson/FSU/VaTech will have no impact on recruiting in Baltimore/DC?
Sure. No talent EVER comes from Maryland and DC.
Well if the dream I had last night is any indication, the divisions will stay the same. Maryland goes into the Legends divisions to keep the "Ms, Ns, and Iowa" thing going, and Rutgers goes into the "Hey, half our teams wears red" division". Also, the Big Ten makes a reach and adds OHIO to the Big Ten because Northwestern apparently hates Delany and Delany sent them to the MAC
Written all over it. Can anyone tell me how this upgrades the conference? I'm not just talking about Football. When was the last time Maryland basketball was nationally relevant? Or Any of their other sports for that matter.....
Do NOT want. This move makes absolutely no sense to me.
Well, the Terrapins won a national basketball title in 2002 so I guess they've been "nationally relevant" more recently than, er, we have.
That NC title is more recent than the B1G's last title. Plus their women's hoops team is very solid. But since this is a football move, I can't fully understand the logic. This still makes us a laughing stock comes bowl season. Who cares if we guarantee a team for the Pizza Bowl every year?
Expansion wouldnt have happened if the alliance held. Fuck USC
I think it was more Texas's fault
100% agreed. This had nothing to do with the PAC trying to get to 12 for a championship game. The Big XII's unequal revenue sharing scheme and the 500lb gorilla of that conference, Texas, deserve a lot of the blame for all this.
This just feels like change for the sake of change... and obviously a way to increase BTN subscription by forcing it on to basic cable in the Mid-Atlantic / NYC area / Northeast. With News Corp. looking to buy the Yes Network and being partners in the BTN, they can demand that NYC cable companies add the BTN to their basic package or risk losing out on YES.
It's crazy if that's the reason this move is being made. It's sort of like planting an idea into someone's dream within a dream within a dream to repair their relationship with their father to break up their monopoly on the energy industry. In the end, you're doing something crazy with very direct effects to yourself in the off chance that billionaires might possibly move millions of dollars that don't really matter to them.
And in the end you're left wondering, is this still a dream?
I hope this at least leads to 9 game conference schedules. Of course the only way a 14 team league really makes sense is if you have 13 game conference schedules.
When did this all start?
I didn't pay any attention to any football on Saturday after the Michigan game, and then came on the board Sunday and there was talk about Maryland joining the B1G as if the process had started a few days prior. What was the timeline on this? For something so major it just seems like it happened really, really quickly.
I did exactly the same thing. When I went online last night and saw all this, I thought what what WHAT??!? I didn't even recall hearing about the B10 extending an invitation to Maryland. When was that? Was it some sort of open invitation from back when we added Nebraska?
This is just so horrible in every way. I dont want any more expansion but if we had to do it I'd much rather have had Missouri or Pitt join. This just makes no athletic sense whatsoever. Fucking terrible. Death to Delany
Maybe Bandon can switch our contract to Under Armor! Think of all the uniformz we can have in a game with UMd! See, there's a silver lining in every cloud.
I saw someone alleging (not sure if serious) that UA founder is helping maryland pay its buyout clause... I wonder if there was indeed a backdoor deal...all B1G schools to UA... NW was a gesture in good faith!
Agreed. It's a fine institution and basketball wise it's all well and good but this is a football conference.
I'd add a word. This is historically a football conference. Even before the add, B1G bball > B1G football at this point in time.
I am sure Maryland and Rutgers will be split apart in the conferences? This has to be.
That will give us another cupcake.
Hopefully, Legends and Leaders gets blown up now. OSU and Michigan need to be in the same division.
Quick, name as many standout Maryland football alum as possible. I'll start:
(1) Boomer Esiason
(2) Vernon Davis
...I'm tapped out. Please help.
ej henderson, darius heyward-bey and torrey smith were first round draft picks back to back, jared gaither was a first round draft pick but is a lazy fuck, stefon diggs looks like an nfl. I mean obviously its not a top producer of talent but md has had a top 10 pick more recently than michigan has (and i'm hoping that doesn't change this year since I want Lewan back)
Yup, there has been some recent Maryland talent. Totally forgot about Smith + Heyward-Bey as 1st round WR picks.
The University of Maryland Board of Regents unanimously approved a move to the Big Ten on Monday, a source tells ESPN colleague Brett McMurphy.
An official announcement is expected at 4 p.m. ET at the school's campus in College Park, Md.
Maryland must officially apply for Big Ten membership, and needs a yes vote by at least nine of the 12 Big Ten presidents/chancellors (80 percent required) for admission. This is basically a formality.
I would have rather had Pitt and Boston College
great for football,hockey and basketball
I'm am the furthest thing from a traditionalist, atypical around here.
But this is absolutely fucking stupid.
4pm announcement at MD per ESPN.
Of course it's about money. Adding Maryland and Rutgers brings another 15 million people into the Big Ten "footprint". That's worth quite a lot when the next TV contracts are signed.
Maryland doesn't really "bring" the DC market since the Dc market is a) dominated by the Redskins and b) Virginia Tech is probably second there. After Va Tech it becomes pretty fractured with "exiles" from state schools across the country bringing their thing to the party and, incidentally, making DC one of the best places in America to watch college football.
Still, Maryland has room for growth. So, obviously, does Rutgers. And, anyway, if you're going to be expanding (which I'd rather was not the case) who else is left to add that doesn't involve adding someone from the other side of the country? At least Maryland-Rutgers is contiguous and all that jazz.
Maryland doesn't feel like it gets enough respect in the ACC. It won't get any more in the Big10 but at least it will make more money. So it makes some sense from their perspective.
The obvious thing now is to move to a nine game conference schedule and eliminate protected crossovers. If that means not playing for the Jug every year then so be it. A shame but let's not pretend that this would be the end of Michigan football.
Simple east/west divisions would be the best thing: UM, Sparty, OSU, Penn State, Rutgers, Indiana, Maryland in the east. Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Minnesota in the other.
Argue about which of Purdue/Indiana goes west. Am fine with whatever choice you make. But for sake of argument our opposite-division games could, for the sake of illustration, go like this:
Year 1: Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois
Year 2: Minnesota, Nebraska, Purdue
Year 3: Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois
Year 4: Northwestern, Nebraska, Minnesota
Year 5: Purdue, Iowa, Illinois
Year 6: Wisconsin, Miinnesota, Nebraska,
Year 7: Iowa, Purdue, Northwestern
Year 8: Illinois, Nebraska, Minnesota
Year 9: Wisconsin, Purdue, Iowa
Year 10: Northwestern, Illinois, Nebraska
Over ten years that gives you a minimum of four games vs each opponent. Not ideal but better than the SEC's "let's meet once in a blue moon and pretend we're in the same conference set up".
I don't like this, but my opposition to Maryland is much smaller than my opposition to Rutgers.
I mostly loathe 14-team conferences. We will play teams in the opposite division...basically never. The basketball schedule gets further imbalanced...it sucks.
Nothing about this is good. I have yet to see anyone make a rational argument as to what the Big Ten gets out of this as a conference, other than more money and a lacrosse league.
remember that part where you said more money? there you go. National relevance is all about money, look at what oregon has been able to do because of nike money, oklahoma state is relevant again partly because t boon pickens money, the big ten needs to stay ahead in the money race to stay competitive, its a bad thing but it is the truth
Damn your logic!
I see the appeal of Maryland. They're the 3rd winningest team in NCAA basketball history. They are nationally elite in soccer for both genders, lacrosse for both genders, and basketball for both genders.
I just won't want a 14 team conference, due to never playing anyone on the other side. And I'd rather give up Maryland altogether than get them AND Rutgers.
By what definition of "winningest"? Because I must be missing something.
|Years||Coach||Seasons||Overall Record||Conference Record !|
|2011-12 to -||Mark Turgeon||2||17-15 (.531)||ACC: 6-10 (.375)|
|1989-90 to 2010-11||Gary Williams||22||461-252 (.647)||ACC: 194-157 (.553)|
|1986-87 to 1988-89||Bob Wade||3||36-50 (.419)||-|
|1969-70 to 1985-86||Lefty Driesell||17||348-159 (.686)||ACC: 122-100 (.550)|
|1967-68 to 1968-69||Frank Fellows||2||16-34 (.320)||ACC: 6-22 (.214)|
|1950-51 to 1966-67||Bud Millikan||17||243-182 (.572)||SC/ACC: 130-109 (.544)|
|1947-48 to 1949-50||Flucie Stewart||3||27-50 (.351)||SC: 22-27 (.468)|
|1923-24 to 1946-47||H. Burton Shipley||24||253-218 (.537)||SC: 124-91 (.577)|
|Totals||8 Coaches||90||1401-960 (.593)||
SC/ACC: 604- 566 (.516)
1) Michigan and Ohio must play every single year. Both universities will throw a shitfit if this doesn't happen. Rivalries of the greatest importance are protected, while lesser rivalries (say the Old Brass Spittoon) get axed.
2) You don't want Nebraska and Rutgers/Maryland in the same division. It's already a really long way from Lincoln to Happy Valley.
3) Rutgers will be in the same division as Maryland, for the sake of a natural rivalry.
4) We'll go to a 9-game conference schedule, but will still eliminate protected crossover games.
5) Despite largely geographical divisions, necessitated by the huge East-West spread of the conference, Delaney will not simply refer to the divisions as "east" and "west"
Division the First:
Division the Second:
I don't like it, but I think it's the best that they could do. Illinois doesn't, AFAIK, have a very intense rivalry with Northwestern, despite being from the same state, so of the four Illinois-Indiana state members, they're the most expendable. The East would be a bit stronger than the West, but that will be mitigated by the effects of PSU's sanctions starting in a year or two.
Except maybe switch Indiana wth MSU or PSU to strengthen Division the 2nd?
P.S. I couldn't care less if we played Sparty every year. Am I the only one?
But it's still a fun rivalry. Why not make geography important? It's nice to be able to make a car-trip to another school to watch these games.
I love it, but I don't see it happening. I think that the Michigan schools go West and the Indiana schools go East for "competitive balance." And then Michigan-Ohio is a "protected" game.
Of course it's stupid. But this whole conference expansion thing is stupid. The Big Ten is about to become no different from anybody else.
According to wikipedia, Maryland really has no rivalries. They've played Penn State 37 times and lost 35 of those games. 1 win, and i think 1 tie.
Ouch. Time to reinvent that rivalry.
I thought Nebraska was a perfect fit, but this is just meh.
a long ass song.
Especially when you consider how slowly it is sung
"She breathes! she burns! she'll come! she'll come!"
LOL that's in their song for real??
Umm....that's what she said? (LOL It's just too easy there.)
This fight song is ripe for mocking.
The B1G just jumped the shark.
I think the logic behind Maryland wanting to join the BIG TEN is the revenue sharing with the BIG TEN network. They see schools like Indiana, Purdue and Minnesota that compare to their football program, and see that they still get millions in revenue sharing to compensate for poor attendance at home games, or lack of a bowl game. This is their best way to stay competitive fiscally with other programs, and fund the rest of their athletic department. Also, they can pitch to their huge fan base and geographical residents, to come to the home games against UofM, NEB, OSU and PSU a lot easier than FSU, VT and Miami.
I think if we have to expand that nobody makes more sense than Maryland. But the only good I can see from this is if Michigan and Ohio get put in the same division. I don't think that's going to happen.
I've never had a problem with Maryland joining the Big 10. It's a decent enough school with a strong research base, has good connections in the region and chock-full of alumni, and fits into the culture of the conference pretty well. I presume Rutgers will join as well and that could get interesting, but the ACC is a conference that doesn't benefit Maryland that much (with the power being farther south), so they might as well switch over.
And while Maryland hasn't been great in football the past couple of years, they are no worse than Indiana, Minnesota, or Illinois. And the basketball team is usually pretty solid.
I am not happy!!!!
that the B1G could have gotten to 16 by adding Missouri, ND, Pitt and Syracuse but Delaney snoozed a now frankly, Swarbrick got the best of him. The ACC got three tradition-laden football/basketball schools and Missouri inexplicably takes a chunk out of the B1G's natural geographic footprint, and now we're left with two mediocre-at-best programs, TV markets be damned.
Getting to 16 might cause us to slum it even more. I suppose adding Kansas would be a good basketball move and get us to 15, but I'm nervous about who #16 might be. UVa/VaTech would probably be most logical but I've always been intrigued with Kansas ... maybe we need to go to 20 and call it Big Ten East Big Ten West FTW.
since when is mizzou a better addition? smaller tv market, worse academics, about the same relevancy as md in football, and lacks an elite basketball history. Not to mention it is longer in travel distance for most schools than md is. why are people pining over losing mizzou and pitt? those teams add nothing md doesn't and in some cases add less. I don't want expansion for expansion sake but seriously the schools you guys are throwing out makes no sense
yeah, I live in st louis now, and mizzou is barely a big thing here. Only a few hours from Columbia. I wouldn't mind having Michigan play nearby, but it wouldn't be for the best. plus we already get BTN.
I know its hard to get excited about MD right now, but I think the long-term potential of UMD in the B1G has great upside.
With the financial support of the B1G money and Kevin Plank (UA CEO), they will have the resources to improve facilities and upgrade their coaching staff (Plank is not a fan of Edsall).
If that's the case, there is solid local talent for MD to recruit an this DC/Bmore area loves the Terps and the support will be there.
When you factor in the academic requirements the B1G is expanding under an the belief that 16-team super conferences are going to happen, this isn't a bad move long-term.
Just the 2 cents of a MD resident
Answering some of the Maryland questions posed earlier: two more big name Maryland football players are Randy White and Dick Modzelewski. The basketball program had 11 straight NCAA appearances ending in 2004 and have appeared three times since. With the exception of Sparty and Ohio, that probably is as good or better than everyone else in the B1G.
While I don't think that the B10 needed to expand, I'm not as troubled as others on this board with the addition of Rutgers.
The football program has been pretty decent since Schiano took over. They've won 9+ games in 3 out of the last 4 seasons and 8+ in 6 out of the last 7 seasons. Their last couple of recruiting classes have been top 30ish quality and it seems like there's a fair amount of HS talent to draw from in NJ.
They recently completed a renovation of their football stadium. Their attendance hasn't been great but it's still higher than a couple of B10 teams and one would think that replacing teams like Syracuse, Connecticut and USF with Michigan, OSU, PSU, etc. might help drive that up a little bit.
As a football program, they're not at the level of Michigan, OSU, PSU, Neb, Wisky level, but I'd say they on par with MSU, Iowa (current season notwithstanding), NW and certainly better than Ilinois, Purdue, Indiana, and Minnesota. Academically, they're in line with most of the B10 (#68 based on US News).
Now is adding another mid-tier player a good thing? Maybe not, but at least Rutgers has the potential to morph into something more. The stability and money of the B10 could elevate the program, while also bringing the B10 into NJ (which has the 9th largest population in the US-- more than IN, IA, MN, NE, WI).
This constitutes a huge bailout of the Rutgers Athletic Department, which currently takes more money from student fees than almost any school in the nation (at the same time the university as a whole has been placed under pretty stark austerity measures, including departments giving up a lot of support staff and office phones). Now, they'll actually sell tickets in that newly renovated stadium when OSU, Michigan, Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, etc., come to town as opposed to all the distant schools with minimal fanbases in the new Big East.
In terms of crowd composition, Rutgers is about to become Northwestern East.
I am so confused by this - I just don't get it. When we as Michigan fans cheer the "bright side" as being the renaming of divisions, you know that we got majorly sold.
small penis endowment. do not want.
"Also for people hating on MD, besides bringing the baltimore/dc metro market which is the 4th largest in the country"
Um, why do we care? We have the largest and most active alumni population in the country. The mid-Atlantic is the WORST market for college football. Having lived in DC for 6 years, NOBODY CARES about college football. It's all NFL. I live in South Florida and have seen every Michigan game from my couch (DirectTV) for the past 4 years. Expanding the conference does not help Michigan, it only helps Maryland. Why not just have 1 giant conference? Everybody shares everyone's revenue. Just exclude ND.
As for basketball, I think the Big Ten is doing just fine thank you.
Everyone else should too.
I'm sure glad they broke this the week before the fucking game too. Diverts my attention dammit.
I may have missed this discussion in previous posts but does either school have an NCAA hockey program to add to the B1G Hockey Conference?
Maryland only competes in seven collegiate sports. Will they just not compete in certain sports and there will be less than 14 teams?
Yep, this is dumb. I want to be in a conference that doesn't suck. Can we leave the B1G?
Whats going to happen with the conference name? Are we going to keep the "10" portion?
I like the idea of having to compete with Ohio twice a year. Ohio and Michigan are the two best teams in the conference in most years and they should naturally compete for the title game every year. Any other alignment will make the other rather lopsided unless you have Penn and Nebraska in the other division. Ideally, I'd like something like this. Have one protected rivalry game from other division
Division the First:
Division the Second:
Not intended ... apologies.
But it is kinda valid.
This is a terrible idea.
1. If the Game is to be protected, it places Michigan at a competitive disadvantage within the division (assuming OSU is usually good). Every other team in our division will get an easier protected cross-over. Given the factor that the loser of the game will give up a half game in its division race, rematches are going to be far less common than people think.
2. It dilutes the meaning of the Game yet further and likely leads the Big 10 to move it to earlier in the year. The finality of the Game is what has given it meaning over time. The possibility of a rematch dilutes that. Moving it earlier in the year destroys it.
3. The demand to have games against the big profile teams might lead the league to abandon the protected crossover, in which case, bye bye OSU rivalry.
To play Ohio on back to back weeks for a title is stupid. I would rather play them for a division title. The game would mean more in my opinion.
I know that in today's conference alignments that geographic and cultural linkages are waning, but there is something creepy about a B1G school that touches saltwater.
I live in DC and it would be cool to catch another tailgate/game without the travel, but also, a future loss to the Terps would ruin my life forever in this area. Also, no offense, but MD automatically, they are the next to worse academic institution in the conference. Just sayin...
umm what? md is at worst middle of the road academically, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about
Yahoo! has a decent piece on this - (LINK)
Two interesting questions were posed:
"The potential drawbacks to Maryland's move lie in these two questions: 1. Is that windfall worth throwing away years of tradition in the ACC? 2. Will Maryland's football and basketball teams and Olympic sports be as successful in the Big Ten the next few decades as they would in the ACC?"
I suppose if I am Maryland, then the answer to the first question is that I jut looked at my books and said "yes" to this one. The athletic department's road to be out of the red by 2019 probably just became a shorter road, or at least that must be the bet they made with themselves. Also, as others have pointed out, they don't have a rival in the ACC really, though trading the chance to play Duke for the chance to play Iowa in basketball must be less than thrilling.
As for the second question, I would think that, for the foreseeable future, this is an emphatic "not at all". Despite being in a talent-rich area, they aren't a draw by most accounts, and Terrapin football's welcome to the Big Ten will probably result in a very long fist several seasons for them, whenever they are officially on board.
Remember that one time Jim Delany made a decision that didn't piss millions of people off? Yeah, me either.
Baseball head coach Eric Bakich will now be playing the program he left every year in conference play. I believe a contributing factor to the Bakich move was the lack of upgrades to their facility, as promised by the school, because of lack of funds. Big money from their portion of the BTN contract may now see those upgrades come to fruition.
anyone know if Maryland or Rutgers has ACHA D1 hockey teams that may consider joining the B1G Hockey Conference? I suspect not.
however both have lacrosse teams, so there's that at least.
Maybe they might have club level hockey that can hopefully move up to D1? I dunno on that.
side - if you are into roadtrips for games you get the DC area and sort of New York city / Atlantic city - beats the hell out of Lincoln.
I think we added Maryland just for their uniforms
I will never forgive Jim Delany for this.
Add it to the list.