Marvin has been moved for bowl practices and spring ball. This should be a final move for him. Personally I like this move. He started the year at Bandit, then was moved to OLB during the bye week.
Marvin Robinson moved to FS
If Marvin just stands there like this...
The Matthew McConaughey of defensive backs.
Aw-right aw-right aw-right.
for Halloween. One of the best movie characters ever.
Is the dude to Marvin's left wearing an Ohio State shirt?
thats just bird shit
you nearly made my oatmeal come out of my nose
That would burn so incredibly bad...
There was a lot of pressure on him to go to OSU during his recruitment. His H.S. coach was a big Buckeye slappie but I'm not sure if that's him in the picture.
looks like he is rocking a tennessee shirt as well...
That's what I thought too.
... I would cut off all my shirts to show off. T-shirts, work shirts, dress shirts.
When I was in high school, a guy on the football team cut a rectangle out of his undershirts for the sole purpose of exposing his abs. It still had the shirt on his sides and the back. it was awesome.
...after my wife dries them.
He has actually been back there post PSU. His stay at LB was short lived.
That’s tremendous Jim.
This board has had endless debate about the 3-3-5 - both its strengths and weaknesses as a scheme.
But if you ask me, the main problem with the 3-3-5 this year for was not based on scheme, but rather its impact on personnel decisions. There is so much flexibility position-wise in the defensive backfield and LB/DE positions, that we constantly moved people around to point where we couldn't develop any chemistry. My guess is that much of this was also due to playing so many young players on D.
The good news is that hopefully we come out of this year with a better sense of our personnel and so positions will be more solidified next year.
The possibility of having a Sophomore (and not Fr.) starting at FS next season is glorious!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like Joe Lewis v. Rocky Marciano.
I was really, really hoping that was the link you were posting. Well played.
Anything to unleash this kids talent and potential. Bring the pain.
Forget unleashing his talent and potential - we need to unleash his 8-pack abs on opposing offenses.
What if someone comes up with 6-minute abs?
and no one ever remembers it.....
of course we remember it
No! No, no, not 6! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 6. Who works out in 6 minutes? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel.
No! No, no, not 6! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 6. Who works out in 6 minutes? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel. 7's the key number here. Think about it. 7-Elevens. 7 dwarves. 7, man, that's the number. 7 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea! It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby! Step into my office. Cause you're fuckin' fired!
Fantastic, I forgot about that last part. "Step into my office, cause you're fuckin' fired!"
seven's the key number here. step into my office.
I always thought of MRob as a bit slow to be a FS, someone like a Cam or Jonas who is destined to be a WILL, am I way off? Hope it works out, with Avery Walls not coming we are pretty desperate for numbers there.
He's much faster than Cam/Jonas
Marvin Robinson is faster than Cam Gordon and Jonas Mouton. He's not a burner, but he's fast enough to play FS in a Cover 3 scheme.
We won't have any Fr. starting on the defensive side of the ball next year, unless of course some of this years recruits come in and blow the coaching staff away. That alone is reason for hope from going from a disaster to atleast a average defense.
Yeah you never know if an incoming freshman will come in and tear it up, but it is nice knowing that next year we will have some experience and depth on defense.
I have a question about FS and Marvin Robinson and Josh Furman. Is FS the hero position or the guy who plays deepest and doesn't let anyone behind him? If that is true, don't you want the fastest guy back there to cover the most ground. I know Marvin is fast, but wasn't it reported that Furman has close to Denard speed. I know Furman is a big kid, but would it not make more sense to try him at FS. It seems he was always destined to be SS or LB. I know he is raw, and would take some time for maybe the FS position. Thanks for the help.
Furman did come in raw, and the only experience he had on D was rushing the passer, mostly as a DE so he needed time before he was going to threaten for PT. However, you're correct in that he might be our best athlete on that side of the ball, so as long as he gets his head wrapped around playing the position (no reason to think he can't) he could be very good.
I think with Furman it will depend on how big he is come fall. I've heard he has a frame to support more weight, but he was also a weightroom fanatic in high school so it's likely he's closer to his ideal weight than your typical freshman.
If he continues to bulk, he'll play LB. However, if he stays at S, and we have him and MRob who are good options, that's not a bad problem to have since it sounds like both of them could play SS or FS and we will have guys like Vinopal, Carvin and TGordon, all freshmen this year, who looked good as youngsters. Oh God, do we have depth on defense? Look out.
Thanks, I was curious That was the confusing part, I remember reading in either the Hello post or something else on here that Furman rushed the QB also. I know the services placed him in the safety classification. I thought with his speed, he could play FS or SS. I think the safety position is where you want your most athletic guys. I was hoping he could be a Taylor Mays type. I was worried that putting on weight would slow that speed down. I don't think you find too many big guys with that kind of speed .
No doubt Taylor Mays was a great college player, and I'd love to have the second coming of him at UM. But a big reason he played FS at USC (besides "he could") was because USC had a number of great LBs while Mays was there (I believe they're all in the NFL now) and not another very good FS. Had Mays played on almost any other team he would have been a LB, and quite possibly just as good. On a lesser defense (and I think ours qualifies as such), if you have a guy who is big and fast, he's of greater value closer to the LOS, provided you have a guy at FS who can man his post.
Assuming MRob or other can play FS well, putting Furman at either SS or WLB would probably be a better use of his talents.
The fact that Furman has virtually no experience in pass coverage is certainly not a trivial point either.
Thanks again. Good points. I knew USC had their whole LB corp drafted a couple of years ago. And now that I remember Taylor Mays was probably more LB than safety. I remember him going for kill shots and he got burned at times.
Furman has stiff hips which is a disaster waiting to happen for someone in the secondary.
Thanks, I had not heard that before.
Furman was an OLB in a 50 defense when he was in high school. He wasn't exactly a defensive end, but like you pointed out, it was much different than FS. Having played close to the line, I'm not sure anyone should expect him to have the necessary ball skills to play free safety. Typically you see football players bulk up and move forward in the defense, but rarely do they move back into "more skilled" positions.
If I remember the recruiting stuff correctly, I got the impression that MRob came in pretty developed physcially (and had been since he was like 15). So he may not have nearly as much room to bulk up for an LB type position. While Furman is two inches taller and weighed the same as MRob, they may being added weight to him and end up as a ridiculously fast OLB using his pash rushing skills.
As for the safety terminology, I have no idea which safety they mean. "Alley safety"? Why can't we just unify the terms? It all kind of hurts my head.
Robinson is 6'2" 203 and Furman is 6'2" 208.
Crazy rosters. Maybe they are closer, but I distinctly remember Robinson being like 6'1, and Furman being listed at 6'3 according to Rivals. But who knows, I've never seen either one in person.
You remember correctly, and although I think the mgoblue roster is more accurate (certainly more recent) it's likely that Furman has an inch on MRob.
Double, my bad
Thanks as well. If Marvin and Josh are about the same size and Josh has more speed, you would think that maybe Josh would be in the FS and Marvin in SS, close to the line, or a LB position. But, you are probably right, Marvin may not get bigger while Josh may still, therefore the possible move to LB. Could be a Crable type.
I get confused with the terminology as well, but guilty of using it. Either way, I think these are good young athletes that we can use for many positions. I just hope that weight doesn't slow Furman down. Not that many big guys have his kind of speed. It's too bad Marvin burned his redshirt by being on special teams, but you got to do what you can and special teams was pretty poor.
If the young corners continue to progress, won't they consider putting Troy Woolfolk back at FS? He's started around six games at safety for us, and in theory he has the speed and tackling ability required at the position? I'd feel a lot more comfortable with a 5th year senior back there; no offence to MRob.
Just a guess but I think the coaches would like to have him JT and Woolfolk at starting CB next year and hope that he can make a much larger contribution there by covering the #1 WR opposite him vs having him playing further off the LOS. That gives us a Jr. (I believe JT is a Jr.) and a 5th year Sr. at CB which is a lot better then two Fr.
would be something like this:
Deep S: Vinopal/MRobinson/Van Slyke (Maybe even Carvin?)
Spur: Cam Gordon/Carvin/Tom Gordon/Furman
Seems crowded at spur though. Also notice no freshmen in the starting lineup.
Not only would there be no freshman starting but there wouldn't be any as immediate back-ups by that estimate. It's hard to believe but seems feasible.
I thought I read he was going to end up at one pf the safety spots.
In the off-season someone did a piece on the defenses numbers with Woolfolk at safety and Woolfolk at corner in 2009 and the defense seemed to perform much better with him at safety in '09.
That certainly was the case in 2009, but not necessarily because TW is a better safety than a CB. He was moved to FS in 2009 because we had NO ONE who could competently play FS. Before he moved there we were going between Kovacs who is solid where he's at by not so much playing deep and Michael Williams who is probably a great guy but hasn't been a very good football player. We also had the luxury of having DW at corner, so we knew one side was safe.
2011 will be very different. We will not have the luxury of having an All Big Ten CB to man one side if TW is at safety, but we also have many more options at FS if TW plays corner.
Assuming one of the guys at FS pan out well, I say TW plays CB and we let the guys who were freshmen this year develop and unleash the best one in 2012 when they are juniors.
I think Avery has the chance to become an average or better B10 corner. He was thrown in the fire as a true freshman and he was perfect, but he showed lots of potential. I think with these bowl practices and off season he could become a good CB.
this likely means woolfork is staying at CB.
Who is WoolfoRk?
edit - beaten to the punch
It could be an innocent typo.
If it is a new poster, it could be, heaven forbid, that they saw it used that way and don't know any better. I pity the fool, but everyone has to start somewhere.
If it is a poster who has been around for a while, it is safe to say that they are poking fun at whatever dimwit announcer it was that pronounced it that way.
None of that matters, just don't call his dad Harold.
Whenever I see "Woolfork."
"Woolfork" is still better than how my mom used to mis-pronounce Butch's name, at least once every few weeks. Always seemed to get a laugh out of the teen-aged me, though.
I hope he develops into something great there.
It's interesting, when he came in everyone predicted he'd slowly move from S to LB or hybrid SS/LB. Instead, he started closer to the line and now is moving back.
I wonder if he was already more physically mature than thought, and it seems as though he won't fill out and add as much weight as once thought. Maybe that is the reason for the move back away from the LOS. Physically maturing faster than other kids also fits in with him being a holy lock for a 5 star safety after his first couple years in HS and then as time moves on after all was said and done he was "only a top 100ish recruit."
I wonder if he's gotten faster during barwisization. He had a 4.6 40 in HS. One thing's for sure, kid can lay the wood. And being that he played this position for 4 years on varsity in high school, hopefully the familiarity helps him with picking up fast.
I guess my hope for spring would have been TWolf starting at FS. Maybe now he strengthens corner if MRob can be the real deal.
Lay fools out Marvin!!!!
The new Old Spice spokesman??
WAIT... NOT THAT CC...
I wonder if Cullen Christian will move to free safety next year. The tea leaves seemed to indicate that he would be making the move, which would give us a Vinopal, MRob, CC, and Avery Walls (Oh please, Angry Michigan Safety Hating God, let it be so) trying their hand at FS. Between the four of them, I can imagine a non-terrifying two-deep.
JH had his thumb on the detonator there.
I heard CC to FS rumor at some point. I had such high hopes for him but he was a true frosh and i was holding out hope he would compete with C. Avery to displace JT.
Are we still in it for Walls?
And Isiah Bell is now officially a linebacker? Or is he just out of play right now?
Dude's definitely not a safety, if that's what you're asking. He's over 250, some have said he might be a DE.
Wow. He's gotten that big? He was recruited as a safety, no? Has he been living in Gittleson Quad?
I just saw his Scout profile where he was 205 and now 250. I have heard of freshmen gaining weight their first year in college, but wow. At this rate, he is going to be a DT fairly soon.
Last I heard he was around 230 not 250.
Thanks for the correction. 15 lbs a year is not that bad for a student. I gained that much my first 2 years.
Someone check the roster on mgoblue, I think he's bigger than that.
I was praying that MRob would force his way onto the field this year, we need athletes on that side. I'm dying to know what the overall plan for him is. Whether or not they'll try to add weight on him like Mouton, or keep him the way he is and try to add more speed and strength.
Given that Jonas Mouton is graduating, doesn't this take away some needed depth at his to-be vacated position? It looks like Mike Jones and Josh Furman are the only players currently slated to play there, and neither of them have much game experience.
Of course, there are eight months until the season starts, so this isn't a grave concern. I'm just curious if there is another player who I'm overlooking who could slide into Mouton's position.
he shouldve been there the whole time but im glad hes finally there. now time to develop him there