I feel like the coaches recruited Mario to play Jake Ryan's SAM position, with Ryan and perhaps Beyer moving to WDE if they put on some weight.
Mario Ojemudia to OLB?!?
Last year Clark was headed to OLB, too... Clark and Ojemudia seem like similar players to me. So we'll see...
Regardless, I think Strobel can play weakside DE. Keep in mind that, while it sounds like the WDE should be a guy who's small and quick, the coaches still wanted Roh to get up to 270 to play WDE. Godin is almost headed for the SDE and maybe DT if he gets too big, but Strobel's a little lighter and a little more athletic.
Also, don't forget about Phara-...oh, never mind.
It'll be interesting to see how the positions all shake out. While the coaches did supposedly want Roh at 270 that's bigger than anyone we have returning or coming in to play SDE. With Black and Clark backing him up, there's a good chance Roh or Black moves over, no?
Mags, you think you were posting on Oregon recruiting board again? You really have to stop that!
It just seems that Mattison plans on moving this team to a 3-4. I would be very happy with this talent if that's the way that he chooses to take this defense.
Didn't Hoke originally say when he was first hired that he wanted to run a 3-4?
In a few of his first interviews he said flatly that Michigan will be playing the 4-3 with either an over or under look.
the 3-4 switch looks very plausible.
Hey, how about the 3-3-5? I heard it's really good.
Seriously, as long we play well, I don't care what we run on defense. At the moment though, I don't want to change anything because of the fear that we may regress.
Our Base D, the 4-3 Under, uses personnel very similar to 3-4 Personnel
Well this is convenient! Excellent post that I must have missed when it was originally featured.
As Frank Clark and Brennan Beyer showed OLB and WDE are fairly fluid designations.
SAM and WDE need similar athletes to play them. As do the 5-tech and 3-tech (see RVB and Heininger)
the next Jake Ryan in the long line of Jake Ryans. His body type is that of a LB. unless he grows alot in overall size this makes complete sense to me. When i saw his tape when he first committed i said to myself this kid would crush at LB. agree on the hypbrid 3-4 look.
I think Ojemudia is going to be used in the same way Brennan Beyer is used... an OLB that is at the line on passing down situations.
let's all panic
about anywhere we put him!
Muhammad Ali of Michigan football!
Yo, Fred, what's up? It's been a while, man.
I think Mario has come out and said that Mattison has told him, he's going to be used as a pass rusher, mostly standing up. So DE type responsabilities but from an OLB position maybe?
Super Mario . . . playing wherever we need him!
When it comes to recruiting and what positions a 17 year old kid projects out to playing I have to leave to the coaches to know what they are doing. I (and i would guess about 99% of the board) are ill equiped to second guess these decisions given the limited facts we have available to us. So yes...trust the coaches blah blah blah.
I save my all-important suggestions for really critical matters like bubble screens and 4th and 1 playcalling at MSU. I feel there I truly can offer some much needed assistance.
Hoke mentioned that he looked at butts and shoulders and tried to project how big a kid could get when filled out. Current height and weight only tell part of the story.
Who would have thought that Frank Clark would have played at almost 230 lbs as a freshman when he was listed as a 210 lb recruit, and those numbers tend to be on the high side.
big butt/shoulders = can fill out more
big butt/shoulders = already maxed out or near it?
that Player X can put on more muscle. Rear ends are harder to read, but I would imagine big hips are better than smaller hips.
It looks like Mario is Darth Vadering your avatar
I just interviewed Mario the other night. He said the coaches plan to use him as a rush end and that Coach Mattison has specifically told him that he wants to bulk Mario up to put him in a Terrell Suggs-type position.
I like it. Mario has the potential to be the Michigan "crowd pleaser".
He's a relatively polarizing prospect to some, but I think he may have the highest ceiling in the class in terms of potential.
He'll play next year, though I realize he's still quite skinny. I'm going to be foolish and go ahead and predict 5+ sacks for this kid, including 2 in one game. Fully realize this would have nearly made him the team leader this year, but I don't think some OT's are going to know what to do with him.
5+ sacks in limited time.
for the Terrell Suggs reference.
Does this mean he will be dual-enrolling at Ball So Hard University along with Michigan?
that was my understanding of the role he would be playing so that was why I was surprised by the Detnews article.
I agree with all the comments about guys like Clark, Ryan, Beyer, etc we have some flexibility. I personally hope we keep loading up on the Dline. Athletes with size on the DL is what separates the SEC from the rest of the world.
You're focusing too much on specific names of positions. The 4-3 under we've been running doesn't necessarily need players that fit the exact mold of three positions (DT, DE, LB) as defined by "Tackles are fat and stand in the middle", "Ends are fast and edge rush", "Linebackers hit gaps and tackle RBs."
DTs and DEs may use quickness or power and some may rush while some may contain (or even drop back into coverage LOLZ Mike Martin).
DEs and OLBs can have similar responsibilities depending on formation and play.
We play what looks like a 5-2 a lot even though it's a 4-3 under and if you start focusing too much on setting positions into a traditional mold, it probably won't fit. 4-3 under seems like an amorphous formation anyway.
Also to remember, Mario has not enrolled yet and he's 210 pounds. Regardless of projected position, he'll need to add weight. He may be a totally diffferent player in 2 years when he sees the field
We're currently at Roh, Black, Heitzman as WDEs. Clark and Ryan can also play with their hand down if needed. So even if we don't take a WDE, I'm not going to panic.
WOTS is that Heitzman is now working at SDE.
But Clark was playing WDE all season long.
Didn't Brian hint that Heitzman is moving to TE?
He hinted that either he or Paskorz would, and I think Paskorz would be the better fit.
Either way, Heitzman is not a WDE, in fact he has the frame to possibly be a 3-tech even. He's gonna be a big dude.
Heitzman might see some time next year on defense. He has a chance to pass up Brink at that SDE position.
I agree on Heitzman, he's an athletic kid for his size. He didn't get a lot of recruiting love because he was a real late bloomer, but his senior year he was first team All-Ohio in the biggest division and he looked good at the Big 33 game.
Will be interesting to see how much bigger Heitzman is next fall. He is listed at 251 on the roster.
Sounds like the spring game should feature Brink (if healthy), Black and Heitzman at the top of the SDE depth chart. All of these guys are significantly smaller than Heininger.
Yeah, it was RVB at that spot, but he wasn't much smaller than Heininger. No matter who it is he'll be smaller, but maybe not by a whole lot depending on who starts.
I think you may be right, IF, if, if he can stay low. He stands up way too much off the snap, I saw a few games over the last few years, and that seemed to be his only Negative.
they want him to play the 'Joker' position which is a DE/LB hybrid. The player primarily plays with his hand down and occasionally drops into coverage. Think James Hall from the 1997 team.
Think Terrell Suggs
But by comparing him to a former Michigan player you can watch old Wolverine Historian clips on youtube and get a good idea of the position.
Can't source this for the life of me, but I read a pretty keen article by some HS football coach in Ohio (it was about defending the spread.) He said the best advice he ever received as a coach was to base your defense around what your players do well, rather than the other way around. I'm paraphrasing it badly, but there it is. I expect that's what our coaches will do and have 97.5% confidence the proof will be in the product. (If we figure out how to not flub covering the Poseys of the world on long pass plays, I'll tack on the extra 2.5% :) )
I honestly think the differences between the 4-3 and 3-4 that UM would run are not that different - and that's okay to me. Based on current recruiting a 3-4 makes a bit more sense, but that fluidity will help to cover up some of the talent deficiencies UM currently has especially along the line.
Personnel difference b/n the 4-3 under and the 3-4 are overblown. Think of the 4-3 under as the average of the 3-4 and 4-3 over with 3 lbs lined up off the line of scrimmage. You can argue that some set of personnel is better for A than B but really, a college coach can't just dial up the perfect measurables for every position.
Here's hoping this meme dies, absent any statement from coaches.
Sorry to threadjack, but I can't post to the board yet. Check out what Gordon Gee had to say at the bar the other night: He made a crude joke about the Polish then went on to say "Oh, never mind, who did I embarrass now? I'll have to raise money for Poland now." This guy is a trainwreck!
wrote the article?
I know, I know, trust the coaches, blah blah blah,
If you're already worried about where he will play seven months before fall practice of his freshman year, you don't trust the coaches. Maybe you need to hear something other than "blah, blah, blah" next time.