...except EMU sucks big time.
Marginally OT: Ron English on OSU Running Up Score
I don't think Ron English plans to coach EMU for 20 years. I'm sure he believes his day to whoop Tressel's ass will come with a different team.
Was he really that shocked that they got beat that bad? If you don't want that to happen, don't schedule them.
It's not about how much they lost by, but rather the way that OSU went about beating them by that much. There was NO legitimate reason for virtually all of his starters to be in the game at the end of the third quarter of that game. And I don't want to hear the "well, Ohio State's players need to get playing time and develop, too" argument, because if you want to go down that road, then don't schedule Marshall, Ohio and Eastern Michigan as your out of conference games.
Calling a halfback option throwback to Pryor when already up like 30 points is Bush League and uncalled for at any level. Tressel should be ashamed of that decision.
That play was called in the huddle because the players wanted Rudi to get a chance
Mark May said it best: " He's got to show off his receiving skills for the NFL scouts.."
I think OSU was pissed that Denard was getting all of the heisman hype that they thought should be reserved for Pryor. Apparently Tressel decided that running a trick play against EMU would be a great way to prove Pryor's greatness. What could be a better way to showcase your QB's skills than to catch a pass against the worst team in the nation when the defense didn't even bother covering him?
I don't want to wish an injury on anyone, but I would have had zero sympathy for OSU if Pryor had been injured while they were running up the score late in the game. For all of the talk about how dependent we are on Denard, I think yesterday's game showed that we have depth at QB. I think OSU is far more dependent on Pryor than we are on Denard.
When running a trick play vs. a tomato can, it just gives future opponents more to prepare for. There were tons of special team trick plays last year that never materialized in BT play (except PUR vs. UM, bastards).
I've heard that line of reasoning, but I don't think it really makes sense. Aren't you better off not tipping your hand and then unleashing the trick play in an important game?
"The world nor Ohio State playcalling revolve around what happens in Ann Arbor."
you should consult woody, bruce, cooper and ya tressel.
too bad DR's first quarter rushing stats were still better than pryor's
There's ALWAYS a reason, and no, it has nothing to do with player development. Most of the time Tressel is very good about taking "his foot off the gas". The fact that he didn't against EMU makes me think there's something else going on.
The only other time I've seen Tressel run up the score was after his players felt the other team was taking cheap/dirty shots. The results the next 4 times OSU played this team:
The need to beat their tomato cans terribly and run up the score since they don't play anyone out of conference and have to boost their ranking to survive B10 losses. Temple this weekend was an example of a team almost having their day.
I am not a fan of running up the score...ever. If your subs are still hammering someone that's different because then it's basically a scrimmage that counts for the record.
Read the guy's comment again. He made no mention of OSU. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
I'll say it: Ohio State hasn't played much of anyone out of conference. They played a Miami team that no one really knows anything about yet, and that's it. The first real measuring stick for Miami comes this weekend. Beyond that, you seriously think that Marshall, Ohio and Eastern Michigan are quality opponents? Just because two of them made it to a bowl game last year does not, in any way, indicate that they are quality teams this year (nor does it really say all that much about last year).
Lest you forget, PSU played Alabama this year: http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=11614125. I don't think they played a BCS team last year, but I believe they did for a few years prior to that.
I didn't see any of the game, so I had no clue what actually went down.
Tressel is a douche.
Personally, I wasn't much of a fan of RR going for it on 4th and 3 with a 37 point lead. I thought it was a great opportunity to have one of your PKs gain a little confidence/experience on a chip shot.
..in a blow out can be looked at like running the score up. It was a tough decision that could be looked at either way. But with our kickers it might not have been successful.
Would you have felt better if he took a knee and turned it over. I am not a fan of running up the score, its karma, but with this defense when is it enough to stop. I still remember the Colorado game in '94 when we stopped scoring and we know how that ended.
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Where did I ever say they should take a knee? There was 3 minutes left in the game and they had a 37 point lead. There's no reason to go for it on 4th and 3, especially when your kicking game is young, inexperience, and needing the confidence to kick in a game.
No, i was making that suggestion. I thought about this after the game, the coaching handshake didn't seem all warm and fuzzy. I was posing an honest question to you. That was all.
I remember the games in the '90's when we were dominant and never ran up the score, but it cost us big time against CU. I said to myself that we should employ the Spurrier score until they stop you after that game. Just a hard line to determine.
Oh, gotchya. My bad. Anyway, I still thing the right thing to do is kick the FG. The kicker could use the confidence and UM will need the kicking game at some point this year.
I guess when you weigh the positives and negatives for going for it, or kicking the FG, the positives for kicking it far outweigh going for it, in that particular situation.
that kicking a field goal in that situation is "the right thing to do", then you have obviously never coached football. It is the absolute WRONG thing to do. If you're not trying to run it up, you call a basic running play. If they stop you, fine. If you get the first down or score, well, what more can you do.
And don't say kneel down, that's an even bigger insult.
I doubt he'd have that much more confidence given that it was a relatively pressure-free situation. If they kicked the field goal and the kicker made it, he'd be thinking "Nice, I made a 37-yard field goal when there was no pressure since we're up by 30 points." He'd have more confidence, but not nearly as much as he normally would.
However, on the other hand, If he missed the field goal, then his confidence is absolutely shot, and we'd be discussing the kicker situation even more this week.
is to give the offense experience. When I watched the Bowling Greem kicker put the kickoff into the end zone I just couldn't believe we don't have a guy who can do that.
Kicking a short field goal against Eastern has less practive/confidence value then letting the offense with young players in it have another play.
And I hope that we never try another field goal the rest of the year. I want to see anything that's 4th and 8 or less be an attempt at a TD.
I'm pretty sure that the other team would be more insulted by pity.
Going for it was the good sportmanship move, and not the doucebag move. It gives the defense a chance to stop the play. A field goal at that point is the bad move because a FG is usually going to work from that distance.
See I think the opposite is true, sportsmanship-wise. If RR kicks the field goal, he's basically saying to the other team "Yea we're up by 40 and you made a good stop, but I could really use the extra 3 points to redo my kitchen." By going for it (to me) it says "You've stopped us 3 times, let's see if you can do it one more. If we don't get points out of this drive, so what? This game isn't in question anymore."
To be honest though I think you can spin either decision in a positive light. This is just the way I've always thought about it.
RR needs to coach his boys and not worry about Bowling Green or Del state or anybody. I'm sure he doesnt give a damn. He was/ is on the hot seat so worrying about how bad he beats somebody is for the media and fans. I hope he puts 100 points up every game from here on out. I'm sure he does too.
My hope is that this is an indicator that RR is done kicking field goals if we have a realistic 4th down distance. It does seem that he would've wanted to get some more game situation practice for the kickers. I also wish that he would just go for 2 on every point after. I think getting in better than 50% of the time is likely.
I don't think this is an indication of that. Last year we did the same thing against Delaware State. You give the D a chance to stop you on 4th down and keep you from adding anything more to the scoreboard.
As nice as it would be to never have to see one of these guys kick field goals again, we are going to need to kick a field goal at some point this season. It's nearly impossible to avoid.
What if we are playing OSU and get the ball back down 2 with under a minute left, and get the ball to the 25 yard line with 5 seconds left? Right now I'm pretty sure everyone here would take your chances making a 25 yard play happen vs kicking a 42 yard field goal, but still, you gotta kick. I am all for kicking as little as possible, but if we had an opportunity to kick a meaningless field goal, the Bowling Green coaches would have understood why we did it giving how bad our kicking has been. I can't see a better situation for us to get a field goal kicker of ours a game rep without it having the potential to be damaging. Any experience helps, even if it's not a pressure filled kick.
Here's to hoping that we're never behind at the end of a game where a field goal is necessary this year.
Going for it gives the defense an honest chance to make a play and stop your offense. A FG from there was basically a PAT, and we'd hit all of our PATs to that point, so what more "confidence or experience" are they really going to be gaining? Plus, FG's are rarely blocked, whereas going for it on 4th down is essentially a coin-flip (maybe less -- I don't have numbers in front of me). So, because a FG from there is basically automatic, I think that is more of a pile-on than going for it and giving the opponent's defense a chance to stop your offense on 4th down.
I think that can sometimes be seen as poor sportsmanship up 30+ on a team. I think going for it was the right move, but I'm not crazy about running a play action roll out for DG on that play. I think running it up the middle is the way to go there. If you can get 3 yards then oh well.
... or is it tom brady with a bowl cut?
I need to know
... move along
it looks a 100 times worse if you kick a FG. running the offense with the backups is the right thing to do.
I think Ron would have been better served to just bite his tongue. However, I know how difficult that can be. Especially when the subject is The Vest and Everybody Gets In U.
I like Ron English. Always have. I think he will improve EMU and improve his coaching position. I am glad his quote here was less controversial than some of his other ones.
EMU blows and Ron English's EMU teams haven't won a game yet. Maybe he'll get a position coach job and beat OSU in a bowl game in a couple years because it ain't happening in Ypsi.
He probably should have waited for a better opportunity instead of taking the EMU job. That job is a career killer; they haven't had a winning season since '95. The "whether it be here or somewhere else" part probably indicates that he realizes he doesn't have much of a chance of succeeding there.
Tressel probably ran up the score because he was raised by a single-mother.
This was funny.
But it was mean.
But it was on the nose.
But it was kind of unfair.
But it made me laugh.
But it made me cringe.
Oh hell. +1
Pride comes before the fall.
Maybe he was trying to say: "What come around go around keeed, what come around go around..."
It's not over, it's just starting. I'm gonna be coach here a long time.
Leaving Pryor in as long as they did and the starters before subbing, yeah osu ran the score up..., Pryor needs bigtime stats and emu is the game to get them...
Look out, Buckeyes! You might only win by 35 the next time you play EMU!
Hey Ron- if 73 is dropped on your team, you only have yourselves to blame.
Even if he never gains payback, I'm glad he called them out on it.
Tressel is usually good about this stuff. I don't think he has a huge hatred for EMU and wanted to embarrass them. Hell, when was the last time EMU won a game? Nothing more can embarrass them.
and made it worse. He running Lloydball in a conference that is all offense. His team was woefully I'll prepared to play Saturday. He should be pissed at himself, his staff, and the players. It was a damn embarrassment.
Ron English is an awful coach who was not going to get a HC job if not for EMU.
Is it hard to win at Eastern? Yes. But it is not impossible.EMU has won a MAC title.
woefully I'll prepared
I've see'n some egregiou's mi'suse's of apo'strophe's in my day but thi's one takes the c'ake.
1. My team got screwed because OSU ran up the points on us.
2. I damned angry but I can't tell the press how I really feel because I'd get fined.
3. I would love to have Tressel's success.
4. Might respect Tressel's coaching.
5. Hope to see him privately in a dark alley someday where we could discuss it my way.
6. I'm young, so I can wait a long time for that day.
Why would he get fined? Would EMU fine him?
I think it was a message on many fronts. To UM, "yeah we can run up the score too". To the pollsters "we blew someone away". ? To the Big Ten "we can score now too and we're not taking the foot off the gas".
Hopefully someone (preferablly UM) knocks them down a peg.
Michigan did what they did without their stating QB for 7/8ths of the game and had a bunch of young guys in where available. Pryor was in a long time. Usually, I don't care about this business. If you don't want it run up, don't play them or get better. In the OSU case though, they left the starters in entirely too long to be tasteful. If you can do it with 2nd and third string guys, that's fine, you shouldn't stop yourself but you don't need to be running trick plays with your first string guys with the game completely out of hand.
pryor played 2 quarters and 2 drives
I didn't, but I know how to google up a box score, and Pryor has scores all the way through the 3rd quarter, ending with that trick play pass to him so he could score as a receiver.
I didn't watch Mark May, but if the other comment/post was correct, it sounds like the whole stat run-up backfired.
I understand the stat run-up, don't personally agree with it, but understand it. The trick play I thought was just completely inappropriate and clear show-boating. It doesn't matter whether the players took over control or if Tressel called it himself. It was show-boating.
and the press knew it.
Apparently not the people that were calling the game....they were talking about Tressel's brilliance. Well that's brilliant until some linebacker gets tired of things and then decides that it's only 15 yards....
I can understand keeping your starters in the game for the first half...maybe even part of the third quarter but when you're basically moving the ball at will and are up 25 points, there is no need to run a trick play. And then you still keep your starters in the game....
Oh troll, you still trolling.
I think that may come back and bite them in the ass. Tressel better stick to what he knows best, because to be honest, I think he would come out on the losing end if he wants to engage in a shootout with us.
Really? As of right now I'd take their offense against our defense over our offense vs their defense. If I were ranking on a scale of 1-10:
OSU D: 9
OSU O: 7 trending toward 8
UM D: 3
UM O: 11
This may change as the B10 season actually plays out, but if a gun were at my head right now and somebody said, "OSU vs UM in a shootout, choose one or die," I'm going with OSU.
"Ron English, I'd like you to meet Karma."
"Karma, this is Ron English."
"Ron...I think you know why we're having this meeting."
His winning percentage at EMU is 0.000 so "here" has to be better before "somewhere else" occurs
I'd expect from a fragile ego. How did we go from a topic that generally is about, "why did OSU run up the score" to starting up the hype machine for the Michigan-OSU game?
In general I thank Tressle for showing one of his trick plays.
Although, maybe that's what he wants us to think, and he did it on purpose so that we're always worried that Pryor can catch too.
I do agree that the Rivalry is boring. And I think that was a key reason for adding Nebraska and adding a Championship Game to the Big Ten season. Hope to see you there sometime because beating OSU is so nice I'd love to do it twice.
Is English delutional - if he ever thought he could win against to$u with all talent they have.
Guess he is one cupcake with feelings.
Check out the FAQs for this site. We don't use pejorative forms of names to describe our opponents, such as "O$U". That kind of thing is best left to sites such as mlive. KTHXBI.
I expected Ron's comments to be something along the lines of
"Oh, so that's what a competent offense looks like! Ha ha ha...what a fool I've been!"
Unless you refer to some kind of parallel universe, I can't imagine any scenario where a team you coach is in a position to hang 70+ on anyone, let alone the Buckeyes.
Why is Ron English talking about himself? Why not talk about his team? Granted, not much he can say, but he can talk about scoring 20 on OSU, he can talk about learning experience for his guys, etc, etc. Why talk about himself in the way that he does in this instance?
If I were a EMU fan or official, I would be kinda upset. His comments read like he has little to no faith in the team and he will be gone at the first opportunity. Even if EMU sucks and has no hope (which is likely, unfortunately), their head coach shouldn't be implying it to the media.
"I'll be in this profession for 20 more years, so I'll have my day."
In a logically ordered universe, this guy would be coaching DBs and hitting the road aggressively as a recruiter at a school like, um, Michigan. EMU is a tough row to hoe, but even when adjusting for degree of difficulty I'm not sure he has the legs to coach at the high D1 level.
I'm sure EMU officials were happpy to hear their head coach have so much confidence in their program.
Semi-related to the OP: In retrospect, does anyone think Rodriguez should've kept English as DC? Not that RR could've predicted the attrition on that side of the ball, but maybe keeping English would've stanched the bleeding a bit and preserved some continuity on defense.
Obviously, I don't know all of the politics behind the scenes, maybe English wouldn't have wanted to stay, anyway. I'm just asking fellow fans for their opinion...
Being a coach (basketball, not football, but situationally can be similar) it is a difficult position to be in when dominating an opponent. I've been on both sides of blowouts, neither are fun. When winning, kids can get lazy, and develop bad habits. When playing backups in a blowout, I keep the O and D simple and concentrate on execution. If I run up the score with my third string vs. their starters, so be it. At some point the onus is on your opposition to stop you.
Halfback pass to Pryor, questionable. Off tackle runs for 4th quarter touchdowns are EMU's fault. They're just bad.
Think stench ... He was DC for the Appy State debacle, and a position coach during some of the worst recruiting classes we've ever seen at U-M. No, I do not wish he had been kept on.
and you are up by 30 ... and the starters are still in ... you are officially running up the score.
Go Blue !
It begs the question: What world is he living in?
The world of the being DC of the 2006 Michigan defense?
The world of being DB coach for the 2005 Michigan defense?
How about the world where Ron English is HC of one of the most decrepit college football programs in the modern age?
This has got to be the lamest line of sentences ever uttered by a college football coach.
As fate would have it, Ron English IS HC of EMU, and whether it's Ohio State or Norfolk State on the slate, it's his job to get his players ready to perform.
They may not win. They may get blown out. But it's his players and his football team. Jesus, take some ownership for what you can control, shut up and play the effing game!
One other thing: since when is everything all about Ron English and his commentary on his future coaching career? The dude has some psycho issues.
I could care less if a team "runs up the score". What lead is "safe" before letting up? Should NCAA institute a mercy-rule? Nut up and stop the other team.
This isn't just throwing the ball to get your 2nd team experience. Tressel had the first team in for three quarters, and up 45-20 late, was running trick plays.
I didn't go to EMU but it was definitely running up the score. Tressel's intention was to run up the score, and that's bullshit.
Id take ron english back in ann arbor, I didnt mind having a top 10 defense in michigan. He obviously does not fit as a HC quite yet. He jumped the wagon alittle too soon with taking the head coaching job at eastern.