My apologies for what was apparently and overreaction. Order has now been restored to the world, thanks to JGB's better judgment. Sorry for causing you guys (and myself) unnecessary trouble.
Manti Te'o thread below
This is the goddamn fifth reponse I've tried to type out before being censored. Is this one staying? My fingers hurt.
Thank you for apologizing. We know the mainstream media won't. Instead they'll just run with this new story and hope that no one notices their utter incompetence.
You know that old saying, "If you can't do... teach."
It needs to be changed, "If you can't do... join a branch of the failing mainstream media whose idiocy knows no bounds and irrelevance approaches faster by the day."
I suspect that there will be any number of serious journalists - be they "MSM" or not - who will give this more than a cursory look.
voice recognition software. You only have so many fingertips.
You must relax profit!
Another reason why I hate everything Notre Dame. Even Rudy was a fake as Joe Montana i think said they carried him off the field as a joke not out of respect.. Makes me appreciate the greatness of being a Michigan Wolverine...
So... was it an actual hoax or no? I'm still reading and not understanding it all. thanks!
I think the TL;DR version is this - Manti Te'o's girlfriend is/was a leprechaun who pretended to be a pretty girl.
Meanwhile - I appreciate the hard work that the mods do. At the same time, half the reason the mainstream media covers stuff today is because it comes out via alternative sources of media, including blogs which provide room for discussion and debate of all kinds of themes. So granted, there's a need for balance and we don't want the blog getting junked up. At same time, as a Michigan grad, I am really proud of the atmosphere open to dissent and debate, carried out by intelligent people, that I experienced during my time on campus and I would hope that this blog would encourage and promote that same atmosphere.
I agree. The discussions are outstanding on all issues. I was initially afraid that the train would leave the station only to find out that the bridge was out, for lack of a better description. I'm glad you all called me out and that ND issued such a quick statement that we could get on with the discussion. Just trying to protect the MGoBrand, not squash discussion. Thanks again to everyone for calling me out but being fairly kind about it.
Quick hook based on the nature of the sole source; quickly returned when ND fessed up. Well-played, in my view.
why does the 'mgobrand' seem to rely on censorship over speculation? I understand some stuff (such as Ace Williams) because there is no positive outcome, but other times I fear you guys overly sensitive/downright draconic when it comes to the converations on the message boards.
Oh no, we couldn't discuss it for a whole 10 minutes!! Discretion is fine when we're talking about internet rumors and a person's reputation. You did nothing wrong.
From Notre Dame spokesperson Dennis Brown:
On Dec. 26, Notre Dame coaches were informed by Manti Te'o and his parents that Manti had been the victim of what appears to be a hoax in which someone using the fictitious name Lennay Kekua apparently ingratiated herself with Manti and then conspired with others to lead him to believe she had tragically died of leukemia. The University immediately initiated an investigation to assist Manti and his family in discovering the motive for and nature of this hoax. While the proper authorities will continue to investigate this troubling matter, this appears to be, at a minimum, a sad and very cruel deception to entertain its perpetrators.
So, there's that. Let the Leprechaun tears start flowing.
Was it an imaginary friend?
Hard to believe Notre Dame has been investigating this for three weeks and has not come up with anything. If Te'o was talking to some girl every night they would only need to check Te'o's phone records and trace the number to the owner. Also, one would expect Te'o would have a photo of this girl that he apparently took to Hawaii and met in other occasions.
Most likely Te's is still lying and ND is trying to cover him. This is a bad idea, as every reporter that previously reported about this story has an incentive now to dig for the truth.
It's too early to make a solid decision on this. All I know is like the Catholic Church, ND will cover their ass and throw whomever they need under the bus to make this go away. Remember the rape and suicide? No one else does. If this is true, it's beyond whack.
of the rape-suicide case, including a really good piece that sportswriter Dave Zirin published on the day of the BCS Championship Game. I posted that and it was immediately deleted. On one hand, Zirin is a great writer who covers stuff that a lot of sportswriters shy away from in the name of avoiding controversy (I guess) or because of their own narrow definition of what "sports" means and what it does not. I figured at the time of its fast removal from the blog, the mods sought to save me from a quick trip to Bolivia. Given that it was game day, for some (especially folks going for ND in that game) it would probably be interpreted as akin to the neighbor's dog coming into your house and shitting in the living room.
Please keep your inflamatory comments about the Catholic Church to yourself.
no need to bring anything the Catholic church has or hasn't done into this, it's completely irrelevant.
and yours happened to be the last. Either way, unless someone wants to post a credible report linking the Te'o girlfriend scandal with the awful things that went on in other institutions, there's not a need to bring the scandals Catholicism has had surrounding it onto the blog. It's the same as the politics rule, and is enforced for the same reason.
I'm not interested in a debate or conversation of any type on the topic. I believe the rules of this site prohibit discussion of Religion and Politics. His cheap shot at Catholics was uncalled for and doesn't belong here.
for the Craig James connection to this story. That is about the only thing that could make it more weird.
hooker that James tried to kill but got away.
This is incredible. How can this be true?
As terrible as the Lizzy Seeburg and Declan Sullivan stories are, this one could do the most damage to the ND "brand". Which, like, wow.
Bizarre, to say the least. What motive, if not insurance fraud, extortion, etc? Perhaps a twisted plot to boost Te'o's Heisman candidacy.
Te'o issued a statement Tuesday afternoon:
"This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about, but over an extended period of time, I developed an emotional relationship with a woman I met online. We maintained what I thought to be an authentic relationship by communicating frequently online and on the phone, and I grew to care deeply about her.
"To realize that I was the victim of what was apparently someone's sick joke and constant lies was, and is, painful and humiliating.
"It further pains me that the grief I felt and the sympathies expressed to me at the time of my grandmother's death in September were in any way deepened by what I believed to be another significant loss in my life.
"I am enormously grateful for the support of my family, friends and Notre Dame fans throughout this year. To think that I shared with them my happiness about my relationship and details that I thought to be true about her just makes me sick. I hope that people can understand how trying and confusing this whole experience has been.
"In retrospect, I obviously should have been much more cautious. If anything good comes of this, I hope it is that others will be far more guarded when they engage with people online than I was.
"Fortunately, I have many wonderful things in my life, and I'm looking forward to putting this painful experience behind me as I focus on preparing for the NFL Draft."
Interesting that both ND and Teo were press-ready with statements, and that neither Teo nor ND came forward with news of the deception until after the NC game and after Deadspin came out with all the facts.
My guess is that there is more reporting to be done on this one.
1) ND is unwisely trying to cover this up and protect Te'o. Reporters are going to be investigating this now as thoroughly as possible. (Very likely).
2) Te'o actually got faked into believing he was dating a girl that did not exist. (Not so likely). If this is the case, Te'o is extremely dumb and ND can never make the argument that they have higher admission standards than everyone else for football players.
My plausible but completely baseless story is that he genuinely thought he was talking to this girl online but had never met her. When he could otherwise be swimming in a pool of pussy and choses not to in the macho environment of a college football locker room, he embellishes this to include meeting, talking every night, etc so the story sounds more socially acceptable. Then he is the victim of the death hoax. So I'm guessing it's the story of an insecure immature child, in which case i really feel bad for him to have to go through this so publicly
"swimming in a pool of pussy"
Teo's statement still doesn't explain the supposed meetings, among other things. With all he has to lose, why come out with this now when it was supposedly known before the 26th? He was making statements about his GF before the NCG.
ND posters are guessing it's an attempt to cover up something in his personal life, ala Rock Hudson. Clearly just baseless speculation, but it makes as much sense as anything else.
ND will release a statement saying that joe theisman's name didn't rhyme with heisman.
Need to hire an investigator to get to the bottom of this. Just weird because I heard him on the Jim Rome radio show in Sept/Oct and he sounded like it was a "real" relationship. If his explanation is true then it is sad. If it is not true then oh boy...
I thought I read when the story first broke back in September when she supposedly died that they had been dating since they were in high school. But now it's being said they met online and never met in person. I'm confused.
Lou Holtz is actually a marionette?
Neg me to oblivion but this is some sick shit.
you not knowing the diffetence between oblivion and bolivian is even worse than this T'eo story.
So Grizzly Adams did have a beard??
ESPN just read his statement as if it was truth. What. A. Scumbag.
Absolutely disgusting. "Speaks with her on the phone." "Meets her multiple times in Hawaii and in California." Blatant liar.
ESPN appears to be defending him. Not investigating it at all. Just giving Te'o's statements and Notre Dame's.
I hope this guy never lives this down.
Infamy is a stain that does not ever come clean. I wouldn't draft this guy or allow him in camp tryouts. It will be interesting and a statement about which organization picks him up from this hole he's dug for himself.
Wow, if the allegations are true, that is one massive effort in part by Manti and his friend. Only AJ McCarron may one up this if it turns out his girlfriend is a hologram.
Brent Musberger would be crushed
Why? Te'o is not a QB for Alabama
I'm convinced that the mystery girlfriend is Lance Armstrong!
But everybody was making up fake gfs so he had to do it too just to keep up.
Manti you has sum splainin' to do
Sure glad I hate ND . . . this is a tough one to swallow!
Take another trip with me, down bad memory lane
“Take Manti, for example,” Weis said. “I love Manti. Manti and I will be close the rest of our lives, as will his family and I. But I think it’s important for me to understand it’s their team, it’s not my team. I have to worry about Kansas. But there (are) a lot of young men that are having a lot of success this year that I’m very, very happy for.”
I do recall being appalled that fans just accepted and even applauded the fact that he played in a football game rather than attend the funeral of his girlfriend.
We have a winner!
This is some shit. Someone is lying because his dad talked about how she flew to Hawaii to visit them.
Notre Dame sure is good at covering things up.
1. Bryan Kelly and the kid he killed
2. The rape
You could probably throw the fake Rudy story in there too.
Hold on.......... Kelly killed a kid?
Craig James, and it was 5 hookers, not a kid. Allegedly.
I remember that, so fucked up.
Sad , sorry, shit.
The guy who planned the hoax found a real woman to talk to Manti every night. And Manti believed it.
Oh and please, please beat up Notre Dame this year! Those guys really don't deserve anything, especially after last year.
A guy I served with in the Marines on his first deployment his platoon made up a Facebook girl to friend him. And he pretty much had a relationship via Facebook with her......or with most the guys in his squad. However, he figured out that it was all BS when trying to meet her in person. So no way I believe Te'o or ND.
No sooner do I tell my wife: "I'll believe in Michigan winning the NC when deadspin becomes more reliable than the MSM...."
No sooner do I tell my wife: "I'll believe in Michigan winning the NC when deadspin becomes more reliable than the MSM...."
MT has an online girlfried who is fake but he doesn't know it but he tries to convince the entire country that it is a real girl friend?
MT invented the online girl friend himself for publicity or to prank the entire nation?
Gullible and a liar or just a Liar.
Either way he looks very strange/bad and he seems delusional, mentally ill or has a personality disorder.
The real question should be ask, fake or not, did he know or not but are the ND girls really that unattractive or boring that popular athletes have to resort to online dating?
Manti and athletic director make me sick..what a fuckn joke that press conference was
Perhaps he was just dating Ms. Michigan.
this country had hard hitting, investigative news media? I understand that back in the day, they would have gotten to the bottom of this in about 4 days not 4 months. No one was curious about the funeral, the girls back ground or family life? What her friends at Stanford had to say about her?
Teo is in the closet and had a relationship with Tuiasosopo. Teo made up a fake girlfriend with him to cover their tracks, but their relationship soured. Teo, knowing the gig is up, maintains he wasn't in on the hoax.
After reading the end of the deadspin story. What did Te'os "friend" have to gain from this "publicity" stunt and to top it off he creates a second fake account and teo asks for all his followers to follow this fake family member.... Welcome to the "Hall of Douche", manti, your picture will hang there crooked next to tressle, kiffin, carrol,..etc.
Woody Allen had the best revision of this ol' chestnut:
"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym."