Rich Rod or Harbaugh. That is all.
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Rich Rod or Harbaugh. That is all.
You need at least 3 options for any decision, let alone one like this.
Not when we already have Rich Rod and he is fully committed to UM. I'd be much happier keeping Rich Rod than doing a full blown coaching search.
I'm not even sure the best way for Brandon to go, but even if he really wants Harbaugh, Rich should at least be plan B. I can't see another coach out there that would be a better risk than Rich Year 4, except MAYBE Harbaugh.
I think Rich is doing just fine. But if there is a decision to be made I don't get why we can't look at more than just Harbaugh, how do we even know that he is the best available?
List other realistic possibilities.
Decide next year.
Why we'd throw away the option that is the potential to be really good that RichRod brings for this year's "up-and-comer" is beyond me. If there's an obvious concrete candiate like Harbaugh that we may only get one shot at, that I can understand. I can't understand pulling the trigger for something (or it's equivalent) that will be available next year.
Heck, if you were that other incoming coach, all things being equal, wouldn't you want to walk into a situation with the defensive cupboard stocked a little better with 2011 recruits so that your clock starts ticking in 2012?
If Brandon were considering anyone other than Harbaugh, he'd have fired Rodriguez already. Plan A is Harbaugh; if he says no, RR is back (perhaps even with an extension).
We're apparently considering Brady Hoke pretty seriously, unfortunately, according to pay sites.
That could be a smokescreen.
Is still plan A
Bringing in Harbaugh doesn't guarantee anything in terms of success. Plus Harbaugh will not say no, he has already made it clear through the Wolverine alumni network that he wants the job.
I will stick with the GODfather of the Spread, thank you very much.
Michigan has only hired one superstar head coach. I'll give you one guess who it was.
Malzahn isn't the best choice right now, especially because the majority of the offense seems to have Newton making three fakes and then falling down for a six yard gain because he's about 30 feet tall.
Newton is only 27 feet tall. He looks taller on TV.
He sounds taller on tv when Danielson is verbally fellating him every chance he gets. I just wonder when Gary will come up for air.
Falling down for a 6 yard gain?? Darn if only we would have kept Mallett he could fall down for a 7 yard gain
+1 because I love hyperbole.
they'll be unstoppable
But he's the 10 foot tall invisible receiver that Michigan quarterbacks keep throwing to over the heads of everyone else.
The 17 foot tall wide receiver Navarre, and occasionally Henne, enjoyed throwing to. He's been on scholarship for about 10 years.
As to the thinking behind the coining of "TacoPants", I'm guessing that it's because whenever we throw to him, our visible receivers get their pants crushed. Just my speculation.
"Tacopants"? Tacopants is Jason Avant's eleven-foot tall imaginary friend. Chad Henne spent much of 2005 hitting him between the numbers, which are unfortunately eight feet off the ground and made of dreams. Blessed with infinite eligibility and the ability to sneak on and off the field without alerting the referees -- made of dreams, remember -- Tacopants has taken a lesser role in the offense as Henne matures but still pops up at inopportune times. The term has its genesis in this post.
That was from the old FAQ. Seems to be gone now.(?) I didn't look too hard
Made of dreams and has infinite eligibility
I don't know about anybody else, but I wouldn't feel too comfortable hiring anybody from Auburn anytime soon until a full investigation is complete, clearing the coaches. But maybe that's just my knee-jerk reaction to the pay-for-play situation.
Although I agree that Denard would be more likely to stick around if Malzahn were hired, I would have several issues with hiring him. First, he's never been a college head coach. I would much rather have somebody with a proven track record. Secondly, he's a very offensive-minded coach. There is nothing to suggest that he could fix the biggest problems with the current Michigan team, which are on the defensive side of the ball.
Not a bad coordinator, but just didn't have it when it came to being captain of the whole ship.
I don't know that much about Malzahn, but you better be sure you're getting someone who can handle the periphial issues when you hire/promote a coordinator to head coach.
Bobby Williams wasn't even a coordinator. He was MSU's RB coach.
Where's the nuclear bomb?
after Rich Rod retires with multiple Michigan Naitonal Championships!
Mike Hart was going to get that job, after interning and asst-coaching for several years under RichRod, when the latter retires. Wasn't that already posted somewhere?
That's a high risk/high reward guy. I think he is 5 years removed from HS coaching. He may be great, but I think he needs at least a couple of more years.
Why not Dan Mullen?
He would be my first choice after Coach Rod. I think if DB doesn't retain Coach Rod. Then Mullen and if not Mullen, have Gary Moeller has head coach and Malzahn as OC and coach in waiting. Have Gary tutor him about being head coach and a Michigan Man.
These are my second and third options. There is only one option I care about right now.
I think Mullen makes perfect sense.
If we get a head coach, we should be able to get someone who has been a successful head coach. There is more to coaching than offensive play calling.
Spread-N-Shred or Ground-N-Pound or we just let our current coach see his first full year of recruits turn into upper classmen next year ... This whole thing has grown tiresome.
...but I'll start a thread to discuss Malzahn.
I'm sure RichRod would thank you for your support.
Malzhan is an offensive coordinator who has never coached at the college level. Michigan already has an offensive coordinator struggling to make it as a head coach at the highest level. Why would they ever consider hiring another one?
That's right, Coach Rod was the offensive coordinator at West Virginia for 7 years before coming to Ann Arbor, not the head coach. Yep.
he was also presiding over one of the great meltdowns / quasi-scandals in SEC history (which is saying something) with the whole Arkansas mafia incidents in the mid to late 2000's that landed Mustain at USC, Houston Nutt at Ole Miss, and Arkansas gutted until Petrino had a chance to build things back up. I'll pass on Malzahn.
I forgot about that. Malzahn was Mustain's high school coach and came to Arkansas with him in a package deal until the Springdale folks started FOIA'ing text messages. Michigan isnt going to be interested in more baggage.
I agree about passing on Malzahn but take it from someone who lives 45 minutes away from Fayetteville, that was all about Nutt. Nutt pissed off Mustain, and took more and more power out of Malzahn's hands every game until by the end of the year the "Malzahn offense" was nothng more than the Houston Nutt show (which was really not an interesting show to watch).
DB fires RR (and I don't want him to), then I want Jim Harbaugh, and that's a big if (literally).
That's a big if
I don't mind Harbaugh being the front-runner, and I don't necessarily think Malzahn deserves the job, but I think the non-RR/non-Harbaugh conversation deserves to remain open. Sure, it's annoying, and, sure, I can self-deprecatingly admit that I'm contributing as much. But this is the state of our program: The state of uncertainty.
Moving on, it's silly to say that a program like Michigan needs to hire a "big name" or "proven name" despite the fact that prior to Rodriguez, Michigan hadn't hired a "big name" since before the hiring of Schembechler. And that seemed to work for us rather well. And, detest his success though we may, ugh, Tressel (?).
Michigan just needs a strong leader, teacher, and coaching staff organizer. With these things in spades, the "size" of the coach's name becomes immediately immaterial.
I don't see why we can't do that after we see what happens with RichRod in 2011.
RichRod vs Harbaugh, whether you make an active pick (Harbaugh) or a stay-the-course pick (RichRod), you've made your pick.
Of course. But making my pick and talking about the pick Dave Brandon might make are wholly separate things. I choose RR. DB may not. And we may, because of that aforementioned "may", talk about this ad nauseum without enterring into realms that are fruitless or hypocritical or ironic or contradictory or anything-else-that-is-anything-except-lame-but-inevitable.
I flat out don't want someone other than RichRod or Harbaugh next year.
We have something in RichRod that might be really good. Under RichRod (and then Bill "Bobby Williams" Stewart), West Virginia knocked of Top 5 competition in Georgia and Oklahoma in BCS bowls. And we've seen the potential that RichROd has created with DRob. Of course, we've got to fix the D, but that can be done with a new coordinator. RichRod brings something to the table that is hard to find.
On the other hand, if you think Harbaugh is Sparky Anderson, and now is your one and only chance to get him, then I can understand that. Sometimes good managers like Les Moss get replaced because someone else is thought to be better. It happens all the time in sports.
But I think it would be foolish to throw the option on the "might be really good" away for this year's "one of the top up-and-comers". "One of the top up-and-comers" will be available next year.
To me, it's either RichRod or Harbaugh (or a big surprise Gruden-like candidate). Not a "prospect".
Be sure to negotiate a generous golden parachute, you know, just in case things don't work out.
back next season, but if DB wants to go in another direction i hope he hires someone that will run the spread. So no i don't not want Jimmy to come home!
The absolute last thing that I want DB to do is to fire an established coach with a track record of success (albeit at other schools) that has improved the team (albeit slowly) for a relatively untested coordinator-- especially an offensive coordinator.
Malzahn has undoubtedly done a great job at Auburn and he also did some nice work at Arkansas and Tulsa, but what has he done that would make anyone think that he would do a better job than Rodriguez as a head coach? What would he do to fix the two biggest problems on the team defense and special teams? What would he do with recruiting? The one thing that we do know about him is that he would likely know how to run a good offense-- which is the one area where we seem to be doing well.
If we are going to fire Rodriguez (and for full disclosure, I think that would be a bad idea), I would hope that we would be able to bring in someone that is a clear upgrade. For me, that's someone that's been a successful coach at the highest level, not a coordinator that was fired from one BCS coordinator job and has all of two years of OC experience at another BCS school.
I suppose that Harbaugh fits the bill of a successful BCS coach, but I do wonder if he had QBed for Iowa or Notre Dame instead of one of the more memorable M teams of the last 30 years if there would be as much support for him as there appears to be from certain segments of this board.
As for hiring Malzahn or another coordinator (even one that more established like Wil Muschamp or a great defensive coordinator like Kirby Smart), I would be highly unimpressed. But of course, I don't have a vote, so we'll see what happens.
The CBS sideline reporter really likes Cam's juice....
If you wanted to bring in Malzahn, then why would you fire Rodriguez who is considered by everyone (even by guys like Urban Meyer) to be the godfather of the spread and a genius about understanding its execution?
If you were going to hire Gus why not keep Rich they run the same style neither have defensive back grounds but RIch has won as a head coach at the college level so why would you hire an unproven coach after getting rid of a proven head coach with the same style
I like the coach we have now.
won't have contract money to play with at Michigan like they do over at Auburn. I suppose it would be funny if Dee Hart called Saban after the bowl game and said "I'm sorry, the money... it's just too much!" if Malzahan got the job... but yeah, not worth it.
I'm cool with the coach we have now, thanks.
If DB decides to change coaches, I'd rather he not get the hot new guy with a history of awesome offense next time. To me this is just the same as chasing hot stocks which can make you broke very quick.
But, what I think doesn't matter...that's all.
Malzahn is a really good OC but is completely unproven about his ability to hire a staff and call the shots from start to end. Whether you are a RR supporter or hater I don't see how you can think that Malzahn would be the better choice. RR's insistance on running the 3-3-5 IMHO was the downfall of the D this year, but he at least sticks to it becasue it worked in WV. Malzahn only knows what worked for him at the high school level. RR has proven that he can win in the Bg East, Harbaugh has proven that he can do more with less, Malzahn has only proven that he can do more with more. My guess is that Malzahn will start out with a head coaching job somewhere small like a low level MAC team before he gets to go somewhere big. I think Charlie Weiss should prove the logic in that.