chance of bowl: 13.6%
Malik names a top group devoid of Michigan.
It ain't happening.
Develop talent and it doesn't matter.
Maybe we should've recruited some kids from Ishpeming (the team that beat Loyola two years in a row, including 2012 with Malik).
Develop talent and it doesn't matter.
Yeah, recruiting matters, but sometimes even top recruits don't pan out the way you hoped they would. And when you don't get the top recruit, you do better with the recruits you did get.
Better FSU than MSU.
I thought his parents were Michigan fans. That's been the talk his whole recruitment.
I don't think the coaches offered his parents.
I know that but the OP stated that his dad is a huge FSU fan.
LOL. Looks like we should've.
Both parents care about the education, but I read that his mom cares a bit more and she really likes what Michigan presents from an academic standpoint.
I also read recently that msu has been doing a good job of convincing his parents about the academic opportunities at msu.
Parents not sold on MSU at all.
The "value of an UM diploma" doesn't simply mean earning power in his 30s and 40s - it also relates to the quality of education (experiences, professors, other students) that make UM significantly better than MSU and most of his other choices.
As an alum, I'm biased by my experience and extensive facts.
Regardless, hope they make the right choice for the long-term.
Damn you 2013! Oh wait, it's 2014.. Anyways, he's been long gone for a while, this is not a surprise.
I think you are correct, when was the last time this sphinx of a recruit gave us any promising signs? I think we just assumed since we had momentum this summer...momentum is now gone bye bye.
Hopefully anywhere but Staee.
That would be just as bad
Remember when we were wondering whether there would be any playing time left for Lawrence Marshall?
Malik said he had a top 7, then only listed 6 teams. I don't think he was saying that he had officially eliminated Michigan...I guess take it fwiw that Michigan is the team he forgot.
Wouldn't want him anyway. His math skills suck.
Hurts to miss out on 2 of the top 3 in state guys, but this is a great class. Wonder who Brady and the crew go after for that spot in the class.
For the most part this staff closes early and has no success finishing late.
Honestly, Hoke didn't have a huge amount of top level schools to beat out. By that point, most of the big time offers Green had at the beginning weren't really chasing him any more. Bama, Oklahoma, and OSU already had filled up at RB. Green waited too long. Not trying to discount him as a player, but his field of sutiors had dropped off considerably by December last year.
I've never felt like Malik would end up at Michigan. I would love it if Malik played for Michigan, but I just felt like he's been looking for reasons not to go blue. He could really be a BIG help to the D-Line, and probably have a good chance at early playing time.
Dont have to look much further than the product on the field for reasons not to go blue.
That's the sad truth. The silver lining of that is what I mentioned- early playing time, and a chance to help turn things around in his home state. Also, all of his family and friends could easily attend his games. I'm not holding my breath, though.
Chickens coming home to roost.
You're talking about EMO posters, right?
were just emo losers with sand in their vaginas. Hand will look awesome in the winged helmet next fall.
It's not often that a post puts a smile on my face or makes me actually 'laugh out loud'.
That was solid.
This really isn't shocking news. If anybody has been reading the signs or, like Brandon Brown says, the lack thereof. Those are three really good options for a high school football player to choose from. Moving on.
Really strange recruitment... First he claims he's ready to commit to Michigan. Then his parents make him wait. Then his parents love Michigan, but he no longer likes Michigan...
Is it really that strange? I feel like this kind of recruitment happens at least once a year for us. (Treadwell, Diamond, Garnett, etc)
not too strange, hes been tight lipped the whole time. as an 18 yr old he has the size and athletic ability to project as nfl caliber player - whether he gets there or not , only future will tell. but if hes looking to develop into an NFL DE or DT while also winning some games why would michigan lead his recruitment? he could be the biggest UM fan in the world but the product on the field and recent trending speak volumes. his other choices are stable programs that have been winning pretty consistently for past 5-10 yrs and trending upwards while developing talent and sending multiple DL to NFL. UM is a great place, no denying it, but theyre relying on history and tradition and will continue to do so as theyve been doing since approx 2005 until they compete with big boys on the field in consecutive seasons. and while hoke has given these current high school kids plenty of reasons to look at UM, hes given them more reasons to hesitate and look elsewhere due to repeated poor performances on the field. just an unfortunate fact. id probably go elsewhere if i mcdowell and i had visions of both winning big bowl games and developing into top draft pick. maybe hoke rights the ship, maybe not, but the school gave him 4-5 years to do so and theyll let it play out....but as far as signing with proven commodities right now, UM falls tier below fsu and osu and other programs that have been getting it done
I shudder to think what recruits will do with another 7-8 win season. And thus a new coach.
This guy has been irrelevant to me for months. Writings been on the wall.
Isn't coming here. Move on.
What a surprise! Just kidding. He's never been close to the other recruits, so I don't see why he should come here and be unhappy
That on UTL II his plans were to go home with his parents, but he ended up spending the night in town because he was having so much fun. I could be wrong....
FSU might not have space. They just took another DE this morning
They have a few questionable takes on board right now. Malik would push them out for sure.
Also, Damien Harris removed all Michigan stuff from his Twitter profile, similar to what George Campbell did....
Well that is just awesome.
The George C deco mitt hurt, but Harris is a UofM fan...would hate to lose him. He is a game changer.
We need a dynamic RB, with Green and Smith looking like nothing special. Harris is that dynamic RB, so I completely agree
I think Smith looks pretty solid. Hard to tell though with the fucking shittiest-ass ass-shit offensive line ever.
Yall really need to understand just how much that "he grew up a _______ fan" shit doesn't matter with these kids when it comes to them picking which program is best suited to put them in the position to make millions.
The same with kids who say they "academics" are a priority when picking a college (a la D. Hand). Not to say it isn't a factor at all, but the vast majority of that talk is honestly just lip-service. These kids wanna develop into pros & win games, usually in that order. Hoke & Co isn't doing that at the level these recruits desire right now.
There is a distinct difference between being a life long program/ school fan and being "interested in academics."
The academics reason is typically superficial and even when it does matter it usually is not "the" only reason.
A life long fan should make you hard to beat. More importantly your scheme argument is bogus and is just cover for your program cynicism. The cynicism is fine with me bad the bad argument....is just well off. Kids a five star rb, applying to his dream school, loaded with 4 and 5 star rb prospects, with a coaching staff committed to the run to the point of insane stubbornness.
Losing is clearly the biggest problem in recruiting top talent, not scheme or anything else.
You know how many kids Michigan has pulled out of Ohio that grew up "lifelong OSU fans"? More than u think, dude. Trust me. Those that ended up at Mich did because they thought they fit in better here, whether it be earlier PT, they clicked better w/ the coaches who were recruiting them, fell in love w/ the campus on visits, etc.
A different sport, but Tyus Jones will end up at Duke, though earlier in his HS career said he grew up w/ MSU as his favorite school...and MSU is considered an ELITE bball program. Problem is, Izzo isn't producing lottery picks. Kyrie was #1 a couple years ago. Jabari could follow this year. When it came down to it, MSU wasn't even in his top 3 or so.
We can give examples all day, point is, kids ending up at schools they didn't grow up rooting for ALL THE TIME. I will give u that the "academics/lifelong fan" isn't the same "canned answer that sounds good". Whenever a kid says that tho, all that means to me is he'll definitely consider that school, but not a lock by any means, especially if they didn't grow in said state of school/has family ties to it.
That's not "program cynicism" at all, its "I've been a HS recruiting nut for far too long to just those type of quotes w/o a grain of salt". Cynicism of the information these kids are willing to give annoying "recruiting analysts" that keep blowing up their phones? Thats probably it.
...and I never said anything about Mich's "scheme". Don't know if you were directing that at me or not.
The whole "I've been a lifelong fan...but I'm not going there" is really indicative of how bad things have gotten for Michigan. If they were still a top program and winning 9, 10 games a season on the reg, then they would be pulling in the majority of these types of kids.
But the fact of the matter is, the program isn't very good, so despite being big fans of Michigan, the kids find it in their best interest to go elsewhere. Its sad.
He sounds like a jerk.