Top 7 are Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Florida State, Florida, Albama, and LSU. WIll announce his decision at the U.S. Army All-American Bowl
http://inagist.com/all/408325951055867904/ Per Allen Trieu.
Top 7 are Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Florida State, Florida, Albama, and LSU. WIll announce his decision at the U.S. Army All-American Bowl
http://inagist.com/all/408325951055867904/ Per Allen Trieu.
Is he still considered a Michigan lean?
With Hand to Alabama do our chances to land him go up?
I'll be pretty surprised if Mcdowell ends up at UM.
Does not seem like it. Coach Brown says one signal he gets is when recruits stop regularly returning his messages - and I am sure there are other similar Coach Browns out there (like TomVH). Hand broke off commuication with Coach Brown late and as Coach Brown has said, when you are not hot and heavy interested in that school anymore, why are you going to go through the motions.
I am hoping at this point he is SEC bound, so OSU or MSU do not get him.
So did mcdowell reduce communication with brown or not?
The day after Hand committed Coach Brown wrote a long post about how he should have went with his brain over his heart with Hand and that Hand had stopped returning his messages late in the process. So naturally I, along with a few others asked how McDowell was acting, and Brown indicated in much the same fashion as Hand.
IMHO, the other half of that analysis is whether McDowell is talking to anybody else. Has anyone seen interviews or twitter exchanges with any other reporters or bloggers?
Yes, he is still considered a Michigan lean by everyone except pessimistic Michigan message board participants.
I hate the pessimism of Coach Brown. :P
Quite interesting,but not to be taken seriously. Some are boderline pointless.
I mean, you can't blame Michigan fans though, can you? Michigan seems to lose out on an awful lot of these high profile kids that start out as Michigan leans and put off their commitment close to signing day. Off the top of my head, there's been Hand, Garnett, Diamond, and Treadwell. Derrick Green is really the only one I can think of recently that actually picked Michigan.
So in a way, being pessimistic is being realistic.
This happens to a lot of schools. And it also ignores that guys Michigan has reeled in late in the process or after they waited a while (David Dawson, Ross Douglas, Derrick Green, Chris Wormley, Ondre Pipkins, etc.). Each of those guys has a different story, and some weren't as late as December/January, but kids are on their own timeline.
I don't blame fans for being prepared for the possibility that a long-time Michigan lean will go elsewhere, but the recruiting analysts who do this full-time say that McDowell is a Michigan lean. So is he considered a Michigan lean? Yes. Do all the Joe Schmoes of the world agree with that? No, but I'm not sure why anyone would trust the Joe Schmoes more than the "experts."
I get that each kid is different but all those guys I mentioned were considered Mich leans late into their recruitment. Green is really the only one I can remember that went their way. Maybe Ondre was too but I don't remember much about his recruitment.
Didn't Dawson verbally commit to UM only to take a visit to Florida, at which point things got a little weird?
Mcdowell has never verbally committed to UM, has he?
So was Hand
Seven??? Wake me when it is down to five at least...
It's currently "down to five at least."
Update: Hand has denied having a top 7.
The experts always know best! Of course, on the other Hand, they do, except for the times when they don't.
If Brady's classes start to look mediocre, that will be a big strike against him. One of the things that has been very exciting about Hoke is his ability to recruit. If he can't sell Michigan to recruits, we may start to see the beginning of the end.
Not saying that McDowell would make or break the class, but if he goes elsewhere, it's another datapoint with a 2014 class that is suddenly looking underwhelming.
I still like Hoke, but I can't help but notice the excuses are starting to pile up.
As a Cleveland Browns fan you start to notice a pattern of excuses that explain poor play. It always starts with he's had 3 different coaches, 3 different systems, 8 different QBs throwing to him, he's dealing with new receivers, he was never given a chance. And of course my favorite, Peyton Manning had a terrible rookie year as well. Usually it just adds up to maybe he's not that good
He's fixing Rod's mess, he's running a system he doesn't want to run because of Denard, he's dealing with a young O-line, he's dealing with a QB that doesn't make good decisions, he's dealing with injuries, his OC is terrible, other successful coaches have had similar years, it's starting to sound familiar.
We're going into year 4, I expect to see improvement, I still think Hoke can do it. I'm just not as sure as I used to be
You know the wheels are starting to fall off the fanbase when Michigan gets compared to the Browns.
I just don't hear him whining in the manner you are portraying him. The fans may be saying all this, but not Hoke.
Year Avg* #Commits
2010 3.19 27
2011 3.24 20
2012 3.56 25
2013 3.63 27
2014 3.44 16
So by that view, there's been a drop off, but we're not yet in the clubhouse. Not nearly as bad as 2010-2011, and nothing back-to-back (which is really causing the current O-Line problems), and nothing that a 2014 10-2 won't fix.
but the jury is still out on player development. The Ohio game gave us a glimpse (offensively) of what we can be when all our players are working together. I read that MSU's defense only has one four star (Bullough) and the rest are 2/3 stars. Stars don't matter if you can develop well. Everyone has their panties in a bunch right now over this season but given another offseason I think we will see the development we want.
MSU does a great job in defensive player development; this cannot be denied. I don't recall the exact stats but when I looked up their players the starters had 2 four stars only and I believe 3 2 stars and the rest were 3s. Guys like Dennard who is a probable 1st or 2nd round NFL pick was a 2 star, and Calhoun was a 3. Their LBs are just about all "lower end" recruits from Michigan or Ohio - Denicos Allen, Ed Davis (who might be their next star based on the UM game), Taiwan Jones etc. Ironically their highest rated LB (Max B) is probably their least athletic.
They take athletes, swich their positions, find a fit, and coach them up. And before everyone says they are all seniors, these same seniors were often starting or getting major minutes in MSU's 2011 top 10 defense, and MSU's 2012 top 10 defense. They have a system, and Dantonio has a eye for talent - canot be denied, even Tressel says he has the ability to find those diamonds. And we saw in 2002 what Dantonio did with a bunch of 4 stars and a few 5s.
There are no excuses at Michigan... an 18th ranked class or 14th or 10th or 15th is better than MSU ever gets. It is better than Wisconsin ever gets. It is better than what Stanford gets 9 out of 10 years.
Good post, man.
The excuse/reason is that Michigan had some terrible coaching/recruiting for three years, and now the talented guys being brought in are youngsters. I don't know whom you expect to be a stud on this defense, but there really aren't very many highly rated guys who are upperclassmen. Countess is about the best you might come up with, and the guy was a First Team all-conference selection as a redshirt sophomore coming off of ACL surgery.
There are two ways to be very good - get great talent, or have great development. Alabama does both. Michigan State does the latter. Michigan is developing guys pretty well, but the elite talent isn't there. It's just not.
You seem to be on a very pessimistic kick lately, and it seems to be stemming from a lack of patience. I'm not sure if you still think that 5-star Demar Dorsey is playing for Michigan or if you think Dymonte Thomas and Taco Charlton are seniors or if you think Jabrill Peppers is already on campus, but none of those things are true. I'll tip my hat to Dantonio and Narduzzi for their player development, but that really doesn't have anything to do with Michigan's situation.
By the way, Max Bullough had 89 tackles, 7 tackles for loss, and 3.5 sacks while starting 14 games as a sophomore in 2011 (behind Jerel Worthy).
Behind not-Jerel Worthy, James Ross has 81 tackles, 5 tackles for loss, and 1.5 sacks while starting 8 games as a sophomore in 2013.
I imagine you were referencing Bullough in part with your talk about this year's seniors being starters in 2011, and you'll notice that their statistics aren't that far off...and I think we can both agree that Bullough probably had to fight off fewer blockers than Ross.
Take your facts and logic out of here. Hoke, Borges, and Mattison are clearly morons.
of those schools would like to recruit like Hoke has? Believe it or not but Hoke is trying to make some major repairs to a program that had slowed down and then went off road.
Spot on, IMHO
Projecting out when these Fr/So recruits are seniors, they should be good or very good. More top level recruits will follow and develop as they play supporting roles in their early years. They will excel as Jr/Sr and we could quickly be in a position that Alabama enjoys today. Patience. It's tough, especially after all the "wait until next year" falls we've had recently.
great stuff! and remember for how great MSU is this year...they were 6-6 last year!
Magnus, you killed it there.
Well played...vs. hurr hurr Sparty develops players Michigan doesn't meme. Facts are interesting, indeed.
a) if you line up the upperclassmen of UM vs MSU on defense the UM recruits were higher rated almost universally. So when you say there aren't many highly rated guys on defense, I am simply saying MSU has the same issue and there is not the constant excuse making you hear here. When people say we have no talent because one class was ranked 21 is sort of laughable when that would be the best class ever for a MSU or Wisconsin.
b) your comment about MSU developing players is what I said,we agree there.
c) the jury is out how the development is going because according to the mgoblog illuminati almost all of our older players were either (i) not as good as their recruiting rankings and/or (ii) not developed by a bad coaching staff. Of course that excludes the fact the current coaching staff now has had 3 years with them, so apparently all the ranking services were wrong on all those players excluding 3-4. It is a bit too convenient to me that every player recruited in the RR era aside from 3-4 was way too highly rated. Many of these guys are 4 stars which should be by and large very good college players.
d) I defended Ross on the "How good are our linebackers" post today - I said he can be like denicos allen who is an undersized terror on the outside of the LBs for MSU. And I said keep in mind he is 2 years older than Ross so in 2 years they should match up quite well. But aside from Ross JMFR and Blake that is about all we have in playmakers. The rest are role players or very young. Some flashes this year from Gedeon very late, Stribling early, and Henry.
a) You can't look at "This class was #21 but the defense isn't good" outside of the context. The way the team rankings are set up, you could have the #1 recruiting class by bringing in all offensive players. The class that was #21 on Rivals was the Rodriguez-to-Hoke transition year, and Hoke made late runs for guys like Heitzman, Poole, and Carter while having to deal with riff-raff like Greg Brown. That's hardly an indictment of this coaching staff. Dantonio's third year at MSU saw them ranked #73 in total defense. Why?
c) I'm sorry if it's too convenient for you to say that all except 3-4 were way too highly rated, but along with those 3-4 who have turned out to be pretty good, lots and lots of them left. Just look at the 2010 class, who would be seniors or redshirt juniors this year.
d) It's probably not a coincidence that the "playmakers" you mentioned were highly rated (Countess) or redshirted as freshmen (Jake Ryan, who wasn't even that great as a redshirt freshman). That's kind of the point - some guys are stars, and some take time to develop. You want the older, less talented guys to be stars...and you want the young guys to be stars RIGHT NOW.
MSU had a losing record(after a bowl loss). People insist on ignoring Dantonio and Narduzzi's first three years at MSU. Probably due to it looking worse than what Hoke has done at UM in the same length of time.
We'll know a lot more about Hoke after next season.
We ignore Dantonio and Narduzzi's first three years at MSU because it's painful to accept that we are striving to become anything Dantonio-related.
That's just a dumb thing to say. Why is that painful? MSU has been good for a little while now, have beaten us, and has played in 2 of the 3 Big Ten championship games. Is that not something for which every team strives?
I agree we will know more about Hoke after next season.
As for Dantonio and his 3rd season he was taking over from John L Smith whose record at MSU the prior 3 years was 5-7, 5-6, 4-8. I know every time someone posts anything positive about Dantonio you bring up Dantonio's 3rd year. I would ask you - do you think Hoke had more or less to work with in year 1-2 with what RichRod left "in the cupboard" than Dantonio did after John L Smith? In many ways it is comparing apples to oranges. Hoke has the advantage of the Michigan brand, he has the advantage in getting into homes of players Dantonio would never have a chance at, he has the advantage of getting a much higher caliber of position coach and coodinator if you think money buys quality, etc etc.
The excuses for Hoke and the comparisons end next year. I believe year 3 for Dantonio was the year they had that incident in the dorm and it derailed their season. From there Dantonio had 3 of 4 seasons with 11+ wins including this one. If Hoke can repeat that accomplishment with a much easier backdrop in terms of brand, recruits available, budget, university resources, et al I am sure we will all be happy.
Sucks to hear it but the truth hurts......
I don't even know where to start on this...
No, 2014 isn't underwhelming. It's a small class and still top 10 in the nation. No small feat, even without any additions.
You're forgetting one Peppers, J.
Our 2015 class is already stacked.
What, other than Hand choosing Bama, has made you think that Hoke has lost his allure on the recruiting trail? Even if McDowell goes elsewhere, which I have expected for quite some time, he's pulled in better classes than we have seen in over a decade.
Let's all find stupid things to bitch about because we live in the moment, and our myopic vision can't let us see past an ugly season.
You forgot the compliment at the end.
He wants to beat Ohio, which I respect.
Touche on all points.
I made my post without the research and reflection that usually accompanies my posts. In fact, I was on the phone with my girlfriend AND taking a practice quiz for exams (in a separate tab) while writing it, so I probably shouldn't have clicked "submit" in the first place without checking my opinion against the facts.
I'm still bitter about Hand, but obviously that isn't a basis for saying that the class is mediocre.
And now you're making excuses, just like Michigan. Why isn't your girlfriend taking the practice quiz for you by now? She's been on the team long enough but we haven't seen the same develop we get out of Magnus' girlfriend. If this one dumps you, it's a serious indictment of both your boyfriending and posting abilities.
Just busting balls, EastCoast! I don't post a ton, but twice (including yesterday) have had an MGoBoard post rack up huge downvotes mostly on account of not thinking before I clicked "submit." It's a brutal board but sometimes you gotta own up to it.
Now it's time to get YOUR facts straight. I have worked hard on my girlfriend, and have managed to turn her from an Unrated non-recruit who doesn't even WATCH sports to a Michigan girlfriend who has a mini-Final Four banner hanging in her room.
It's true that she STILL doesn't enjoy sports, but she now has multiple Michigan t-shirts, a Michigan pillow, a Michigan hat, and she pays attention to game scores.
If my fan development skills translated into player development skills, Freddy Canteen would already have broken Gallon's single game receiving record.
All but 2 of the 17 teams ahead of us in the Rivals rankings have more commits than us, and those 2 have the same number of commits as us. Considering they use the top 20 commits for each school in their rankings, we basically have 4 big fat blanks sitting there waiting to be filled. It's really too early to consider these class rankings to be definitive.
Yeah, okay dude.
I shake my head.
Class ranking can definitely be boosted by signing a boatload of players. I usually like to look more at the average star/player and in that regard with Rivals, UM is in a tie for 10th.
While the rankings aren't definitive and UM only has 16 commits, barring some transfers between now and early Feb, UM only has a couple more spots open, right? Their class isn't going to change that much over the next 2 months.
We are a young team w already good recruits ! Our 2014 class is fine . Our 2015 class will be our best yet !
Lawrence Marshall is his teammate and he is on board , so I say we have a pretty good shot ! Go Blue !
has played his recuritment...close to the vest. Interesting,indeed.
It "feels" a lot like Treadwell to me. ... but he is even quieter and closer to the vest than Treadwell. But a heavy early lean, which went months without saying much, and then other schools pop up on his list and eventually he gone.
Treadwell wanted $$$$ and got it. You think its the same, eh?
When a top player in the State of Michigan can't pull the trigger yet with all Michigan has to offer .. its over. Especially since everyone thinks he is a Michigan lean. Top 7 ... really.
says your wrong..
I was so close.
Oh well... the sexy back picture is better than all the rest.
Gallon, GIBBONS(!?), Turner, LaLota...
What a pic
simply cannot lose with that list.
Which schools has he visited? I thought only UM, MSU and OSU. It looks like he is visiting bama this weekend and Florida the next. Has he visited FSU or LSU yet? The Army bowl is January 4th, and I can't see him committing to a school he hasn't visited
I think MM will be more of a DT but he will be welcome at any spot on the D Line. I miss when we got consistent push up the middle with DTs. Somebody hit me with a Branch clip.
If 247Sports is correct, Malik's recruiter is none other than Fred Jackson. Terry Samuel is the MSU recruiter and Bobby Williams is the person trying to get him down to Tuscaloosa. I always find the recruiters to be almost as interesting as the recruited in these situations when you have highly-touted prospects.
when they said Malik is still considered a Michigan lean, but history suggests to me that high profile guys who are 'omg Michigan locks' early who then drag out their recruitment for several more months tend to go elsewhere.
Again, I know nothing, but I'll believe it when he puts on a Michigan hat
This is so true. So many guys were "locks" that just didn't happen.
Fine, but I bet you that's the case for many programs. There are also a lot of guys who were locks who ended up committing too, so that's not really a good argument. I'm not saying he'll certainly choose us, but this whole "Treadwell didn't pick us so McDowell won't either" argument is silly.
That is because the idea of "locks" is stupid. There is a word for "lock", it is "commit".
Leans are different. Its more about the analyst's hunch than anything else, though. Always good to keep in mind.
Do recruits take official visits in a dead period?
Nope. I believe the last weekend for official visits will be 1.5 weeks from now (December 13-15). Recruits can still visit campus and coaches, but they have to do it on their own dime.
Someone with more knowledge can probably give a better answer, but I don't think "dead period" means what you think it means. I believe a recruit can initiate any contact he wishes to have. I'd assume that means a kid can take an official visit if he so chooses. Additionally, I think some of the "dead periods" are just more limited contact periods.
If we are no more seperated than 6 other schools this late in the process than I am officially not getting my hopes us. From everything I've heard it's between MSU, OSU, and UM. If Narduzzi leaves MSU I can't see he wouldn't go to UM, but I was under the assumption he wanted to stay close to home. Either way, I'm off the recruiting bandwagon...hopefully he comes, if not oh well.
A top 7 does not mean that all 7 are equal, so this does not mean we are no more separated than 6 other schools. I assure you there is some hierarchy among those schools.
Betcha a dollar he pimps us....
Probably - maybe he plays with Hand after all
he pimps us? yikes, sounds dirty
Yeah, after dealing with 2 eighteen year olds (my kids) I've long since given up on trying to understand their decision making. Regardless of Malik's choice, he won't make or break UM's program. If he decides to Go Blue, I hope its because he truly wants to.
Let's face it. The whole Hand thing is so recent we are all doom and gloom for anybody who has long been a lean...especially after the way the season went. I HOPE he goes Blue, but honestly I am done worrying about recruits. I love following recruiting and think the mgostaff does a fantastic job keeping us informed. I just refuse to get wrapped up in certain guys making or breaking a program, especially after watching state take lower profile guys and turning them into all conference guys.
24/7 still has him at 92 percent Michigan. They aren't perfect but that's still pretty reassuring.
i wish we could go back to not knowing who our recruits for the insuing season are until we read it in Lindy's or Phil Steele's college football preview magazine, or a Michigan football season prorgam (I'm 25, so i don't remember before those days) . This whole knowing your team's classes 1, 2, and 3 years out adds way to much drama to the soap opera that college football has become. Michigan hasn't done well in the soap opera era. We did better when most of the college football world was under wraps.
I just hope we can win 80% of our games in a 10 year span again.
I mean, you can still do that. It just takes some measure of self control.
Hopefully he did not feel dissed by M when everyone was drooling over Hand. We need some beast down D lineman.