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Major D-1 University Is About To Be In Hot Water
February 24th, 2011 at 4:16 PM
#602
Players Selling gear
February 24th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
#603
I read the same thing over on
I read the same thing over on Scout. This is really interesting. It was first reported on the Ohio State Scout premium board. It doesn't seem like it would be OSU. It's supposed to blow the lid off of a major program. It has to be football. I was thinking ND. I hate to be like this but I hope it is them or one of the other teams in the midwest that we have to have recruiting battles with. It would get things running much quicker if that were the case.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
#604
Yeah. This is huge news.
Yeah. This is huge news. Whatever school it is will probably end up getting hammered to the point that they won't be relevant for quite some time. This is the most interesting thing I've read on Scout in a long time. It's going to be a B10 team and we can only hope that it's ND (they're not in the B10 but I count them anyway), PSU or MSU. I'd like it to be ND too but MSU would be fun as well.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:21 PM
#605
This thread feels like bad
This thread feels like bad Karma.
February 24th, 2011 at 7:16 PM
#606
VILOATIONS
I THINK I MAY KNOW WHO OR AT LEAST THE CONFRENCE.<<THE SEC>> GO TO OVERSIGNING.COM IT WILL REALLY OPEN YOUR EYES ABOUT HOW BAD THAT CONFRENCE HAS BEEN.
February 24th, 2011 at 7:41 PM
#607
okay, man
You don't have to yell, I'd have gone if you asked nicely.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:50 PM
#608
Notre Dame
Makes the most sense to me. They've consistently hauled in major recruiting classes regardless of their on field results to the point that I've often wondered if they were paying guys to come.
February 25th, 2011 at 1:20 AM
#609
" a major D-1 school that not many would expect"
kinda rules out tOSU, unless you were to add " to be held accountable".
February 24th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
#610
could you be more Vague?
could you be more Vague?
February 24th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
#611
It's legit, though. I've
It's legit, though. I've heard of the same thing. There's really not much else to say. He's just telling you what has been reported thus far. It's vague but incredibly intriguing.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:03 PM
#612
Is it legit because you have
Is it legit because you have read the same thing on message boards, or legit like other sources are reporting on it?
February 25th, 2011 at 1:24 AM
#613
No, it's legit because Larry's an expert on flash news reports
asdf
February 24th, 2011 at 6:59 PM
#614
Thanks for your insight, you
Thanks for your insight, you have quickly become my least favorite poster.
February 24th, 2011 at 7:15 PM
#615
He just now
He just now became your least favorite poster? Where have you been.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:20 PM
#616
Backboard University, surely.
Backboard University, surely.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:59 PM
#617
you sir,
win...
(Stands in empty gym, glares up at hoop and shakes fist)..."I HOPE YOU BURN IN HELL!"
February 24th, 2011 at 4:23 PM
#618
this just in MSU players are
this just in MSU players are using football as a work release program, and getting paid!
BOOM mgoroasted!
February 24th, 2011 at 4:24 PM
#619
wait
i just reread the title and it said 'major'....can't be MSU
BOOM mgoroasted again!
February 24th, 2011 at 4:26 PM
#620
Can you link to the rivals
Can you link to the rivals thread? I have not seen this on the Fort.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
#621
Obviously paywalled, if anyone else is trying to click it.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
#622
Thanks.
Thanks.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
#623
Dear God have it be ND. I
Dear God have it be ND. I would like little more than for them to suck forever. More than OSU. I actually respect OSU, maybe it's The Game, maybe it's the big ten, but I at least respect OSU in addition to hating them. With ND, I just hate them. I hope their program suffers.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:55 PM
#624
It's your word, but
Samsies!
February 24th, 2011 at 4:28 PM
#625
Link to the Scout thread on the same topic.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=162&f=1088&t=7234810
It appears to have originated from Bill Greene, a scout writer. I have no idea if that's where the rumors started, but I guess he posted it on OSU's premium board last night.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:50 PM
#626
Do either of the threads have
Do either of the threads have any sort of non-vague details that could be worth wasting a 7-day free trial on?
February 24th, 2011 at 4:51 PM
#627
Absolutely not. It's the
Absolutely not. It's the same wild speculation. If anything concrete comes up, it will end up being posted here anyways. Use the 7-day trial for a signing day if anything.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
#628
Use the 7-day trial for a
Use the 7-day trial for a signing day if anything.
Absolutely not. It's the same wild speculation. If anything concrete comes up, it will end up being posted here anyways.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:13 PM
#629
I agree, I was only picking
I agree, I was only picking the best time, assuming there isn't another coaching change. The whole thing is a waste of money.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
#630
Dirk Diggler posted what was
Dirk Diggler posted what was said below.
February 25th, 2011 at 1:27 AM
#631
You mean the 7 day free trial
followed by the 7 week attempt to cancel your subscription?
February 24th, 2011 at 8:25 PM
#632
posted from iPhone
Greene hasn't posted anything about this.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
#633
Please let it be an SEC
Please let it be an SEC school and not a Big Ten school.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:43 PM
#634
Why?
I'm all for it being a Big Ten school (provided it isn't us). That benefits us a lot more than an SEC team getting in trouble does.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
#635
Because it hurts everyone in
Because it hurts everyone in the conference.
It might be funny to us to see PSU or someone go down, but if this scandal is as big as they're saying, I don't want Michigan's name anywhere near it: I don't want them on highlight tape playing the team, I don't want to hear "as a fellow conference member, University of Michigan's AD Dave Brandon had this to say..."
I would much rather this be Auburn or Alabama and leave them to deal with the wreckage.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
#636
I don't really care about the
I don't really care about the conference as a whole. OSU winning the national title in 2002 may have benefitted the conference, but it absolutely sucked for Michigan. I'm fine with the conference sucking if we're good. As long as we're a BCS auto-qualifier, it doesn't really matter if we're the #1, #2, #3 or whatever conference.
If, say, PSU goes down, that would mean the state of Pennsylvania would be wide open in recruiting, and that our games against them probably become easier. Those are direct benefits to us. Alabama or Auburn going down doesn't benefit us at all. Some other SEC team, that cheats more effectively, will just step in and fill the void.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:19 PM
#637
Us playing in the "SEC North"
Us playing in the "SEC North" would be a big harm to us though, in my opinion. The Big Ten being seen as a clean conference has a lot of benefits.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:26 PM
#638
I don't see why one program
I don't see why one program getting in trouble would tarnish the whole conference. MSU has been hit hard by the NCAA twice (once in the '70s and once in the '90s) and it didn't seem to affect the conference's rep. And of course OSU has had the Clarett issue and now the tattoo thing.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:35 PM
#639
Unless this is totally made
Unless this is totally made up or hyped, this won't be five players taking money for selling their own stuff. This will be SMU round two.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:48 PM
#640
There's no way it'll reach
There's no way it'll reach that scale. SMU was on probation six times in 30 years before the NCAA dropped the hammer.
BTW, MSU's two run-ins were big deals. They were banned from postseason play for a couple years in the '70s, and vacated their entire 1994 season, followed by four years of scholarship reductions.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:14 PM
#641
In this day and age, with Cam
In this day and age, with Cam Newton running around and Lane Kiffen and all that, my bet would be that they bitch slap someone if the facts are there. If they have names and amounts and bank accounts and whatnot, some school is going to face ridiculous penalties because the NCAA wants to show its relevancy, and that school would be an easy target.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:35 PM
#642
The USC treatment (some lost
The USC treatment (some lost scholarships and a postseason ban of 1-2 years) is the standard for punishment now. The NCAA seems to actually regret the SMU death penalty, even though it was fully deserved.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:40 PM
#643
I think the SMU case just
I think the SMU case just scared every other dirty school back into semi-compliance. We got hammered with the Fab Five for one booster, USC with a couple agents, but I can't think of a systemic paying for recruits scandal since. It might be there, but I can't think of anything comperable since.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:45 PM
#644
I don't know. The pressure
I don't know. The pressure to win has only increased since then, so it would stand to reason that the cheating is still going on. I think schools are just getting more sophisticated about cheating. They're "outsourcing" it to third parties that are harder to track down (and probably, harder for coaches to control, if they even want to).
February 25th, 2011 at 1:30 AM
#645
Yes, the Legends and Leaders division names
are constantly on guard in protection of the B16's image.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
#646
I understand what you're
I understand what you're saying but if it were a team that goes toe to toe with us in recruiting that would help out a lot. Plus that team would be down so we could count on a win more so than before. There are a lot of pros if it were an elite Big Ten team. I agree that it sucks that the SEC schools get away with murder and never get caught, though.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:03 PM
#647
Or we could beat teams when
Or we could beat teams when they're good like we did for over a hundred years up until 2007.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:30 PM
#648
The late 30s - 50s and 60s weren't exactly kind to Mich either..
100 years of dominance is stretching it a bit...but clearly it would be nice to win without our opponents being depleted.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:37 PM
#649
I'll take the wins, and let
I'll take the wins, and let outsiders bitch that the conference wasn't tough enough. In the 1970s, when we had the nation's best winning percentage, the Big Ten mostly sucked. We ran roughshod over most of our opponents. It was fun.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:29 PM
#650
I'm hoping it's a Big East school.
Just end the conference. They bring nothing to the table.
Any update on when the news report will come out?
February 24th, 2011 at 5:04 PM
#651
um
what about Basketball?
February 24th, 2011 at 5:08 PM
#652
I'm assuming this is a football thread.
The bouncey ball doesn't matter here.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
#653
"... school not many would
"... school not many would expect"
It's Purdue. Book it.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
#654
Danny Hope is
really mad at you TJ. Expect him to introduce a Purdue message board poster the next time you see him.
Also, I wouldn't mention Russell Bellomy either. It's still a bit of a sore topic.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
#655
Does Purdue have message
Does Purdue have message board posters? Wouldn't that require them having fans?
February 24th, 2011 at 5:26 PM
#656
That eliminates OSU
That eliminates OSU
February 24th, 2011 at 5:56 PM
#657
Purdue?
Are they a a major D-1 team?
February 24th, 2011 at 4:31 PM
#658
Maybe it'll be reported that
Maybe it'll be reported that Charlie Weiss literally ate one of his players while at Notre Dame. It probably damaged their APR.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
#659
Glass houses and such
As big of a fan I am of "Ha, your coach is fat" jokes, sadly, I'm afraid that we are in no position to make them anymore.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
#660
Hoke is lovably husky, like a
Hoke is lovably husky, like a young Chris Farley. Weiss was "that guy needs an intervention" fat.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:03 PM
#661
Oh. My apologies. He's just
Oh. My apologies. He's just big boned.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
#662
Not the same - Charlie Weis
Not the same - Charlie Weis is at least 3 times fatter. And Charlie has the FUPA issue, too.
Plus - Hoke is a big, built guy who has gotten overweight. Charlie Weis is a fat person. A really fat person.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:09 PM
#663
I would describe Weiss as 20
I would describe Weiss as 20 pounds of shit stuffed into a 10 pound sack. Hoke is more of a chubby funster.
February 24th, 2011 at 11:48 PM
#664
funny thng is that CW (IIRC)
funny thng is that CW (IIRC) had a gastric bypass while he was still with NE and he is still that big.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
#665
I would describe Hoke as more
I would describe Hoke as more big than fat. He looks like an old football player. Weis just looks like an obese man.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:11 PM
#666
I stood next to Coach Hoke
I stood next to Coach Hoke and had a conversation with him and he is neither big nor egrediously fat. Perhaps my perspective is a little skewed at 6'3 245lbs, but he's not Geroge Perles in his latter years. I remember commenting to myself (I do that a lot) that he "looks bigger on tv."
February 24th, 2011 at 4:33 PM
#669
Someone had to say this
Someone had to say this but...
It's not us right?
February 24th, 2011 at 4:37 PM
#670
People have been joking about
People have been joking about the 3* mafia the last 3 years, and you think it might be us?
February 24th, 2011 at 4:40 PM
#671
It could be. Like someone
It could be. Like someone stated above this is extremly vague. I thought it was something the board would love to discuss so I posted it. With our current problems along with osu having tatto gate I wouldn't think it would be either.
February 24th, 2011 at 8:34 PM
#672
our fanbase is e-savvy enough
our fanbase is e-savvy enough that i think we wouldve heard something if it was us
February 24th, 2011 at 4:36 PM
#673
Lemme guess....oh I don't
Lemme guess....oh I don't know....ILLINOIS!!!! The Zook is cooked.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
#674
the did call him 'juice'
the did call him 'juice' williams
February 24th, 2011 at 4:38 PM
#675
Are you sure
It's not tennesse? The program is under investgation again, same with basketball and baseball. It seems like the NCAA is doing whatever it can to beat the UT athletic department into the ground.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
#676
They got their notice of
They got their notice of allegations yesterday. Can't imagine they'd have more allegations come out immediately after. NCAA probably would have waited and packaged everything.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:39 PM
#677
Is there info in it that you
Is there info in it that you can conlcude its not US?
February 24th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
#678
I'll throw my hat
into the ring for Illinois. They aren't a school that would be "expected" to commit violations, I'd classify them as a major D-1 and they have regularly outperformed on the recruiting trail in recent years despite being pretty bad.
ND is a close second for all the same reasons.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:17 PM
#679
Illinois has a history of NCAA sanctions...
With very little to show for it. For instance, Mike White left Illnois after the NCAA put it on probation. While White lead them to the 1984 Rose Bowl, they lost to a 6-4-1 UCLA team, and none of his other teams managed more than a loss in a second tier bowl.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:18 PM
#680
illinois used to get nailed
illinois used to get nailed for violations all the time. i would certainly expect it of illinois and especially zook
February 24th, 2011 at 4:42 PM
#681
Where has Rosenberg been on
Where has Rosenberg been on this one?
February 24th, 2011 at 4:44 PM
#682
My money is on Nebraska.
My money is on Nebraska.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:05 PM
#683
That would make some sense
That would make some sense also, but I'm still picking ND.
February 24th, 2011 at 10:42 PM
#684
Oklahoma and Nebraska would
Oklahoma and Nebraska would certainly fit the bill of major programs that you wouldn't expect. It would also put to rest the complete enigma of how 18-year-old kids voluntarily choose to spend four years of their lives in Oklahoma and Nebraska.
February 24th, 2011 at 11:39 PM
#685
Oklahoma would not be a
Oklahoma would not be a surprise, they are one of the dirtiest programs in the country. Kids go there because of the benefits and it's not just football players. The whole AD is dirty. I have lived in Oklahoma for over 20 years and Tulsa is pretty decent but the rest of the state is pure hell including Oklahoma City, Norman, and Stillwater.
February 24th, 2011 at 11:53 PM
#686
You obviously
have never lived in Ohio.
February 25th, 2011 at 10:26 AM
#687
HA
Never lived there but I have spent some time in Ohio and I always thought the two states were identical except one is cold longer and the other is warm longer. Hell Oklahoma fans and Ohio State fans are identical too.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
#688
I think ND fits perfectly.
I think ND fits perfectly. They recruit top classes every year and still suck. The fact that they pay players and still suck would be the surprising part.
It would be funny if they were banned from TV. They would lose their precious NBC deal and nobody would want them in their conference. They would have no source of revenue other than ticket sales, which would probably plummet.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:55 PM
#689
example post if it's Notre Dame:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahfuckyouahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 24th, 2011 at 4:45 PM
#690
You know the payoff is not
You know the payoff is not going to be satisfying at all. Either Western Kentucky gets hammered for one player sneezing during a compliance meeting or Penn State gets a slap on the wrist for running an incest orgy cult.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
#691
They don't call it Happy
They don't call it Happy Valley for nothing.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
#692
This is what it was There
This is what it was
There is a major news outlet that is on the verge of publishing a report that will blow the lid off a major D-I program, and not a school many would suspect................
They are inches away from having all they need to go on it. I would expect something before summer and it will be a bombshell, with names-dates-amounts.
This won't be a message board blog, but rather, a huge news story. But to publish something like that, you better have your facts right. I think they've got it...............
February 25th, 2011 at 10:50 AM
#693
"Major news outlet"
So not the Columbus Dispatch or Detroit Free Press? (Not anything in Nebraska, Oklahoma, or Tennessee either ...)
The Chicago Tribune? The New York Times? Hmmm ...
February 24th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
#694
heard on espn that the only
heard on espn that the only schools with no major violations are northwestern, BC, stanford and PSU; and NW and BC have had point shaving scandals
if i had to take a wild stab i'd say PSU. not with joepa's knowledge of course, but id have to imagine itd be pretty easy to hide from him
February 24th, 2011 at 4:46 PM
#695
Oklahoma; how they keep
Oklahoma; how they keep getting people to go to Norman has been forever beyond me. Boomer Soonered
February 24th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
#696
I was thinkin...
I was thinkin' the same thing. Why the hell would I ever want to live in the giant field that is Oklahoma for four years if I can go to another top program? I guess someone could say the same about the snow up here.
Granted, history and tradition-wise, they rank as highly as we do, but they don't have Michigan academics and Ann Arbor to offer. As far as football goes, they are very similar from a high-level overview:
Top echelon history, flagship state school in a decent talent-producing state (relatively), next door to a top-talent producing state with a large number of fans/alumni residing there. Ease of academics probably plays a positive and negative role for certain recruits, same as ours can be a positive or negative for recruits (ex: Wayne Lyons vs. Demar Dorsey).
Still, I wouldn't mind seeing Norman burn, if only to even out the absurd amount of cheating there in the 70s and 80s.
February 24th, 2011 at 10:50 PM
#697
beating on mah sooners again
why go to norman. simple -- the coeds. it is reason #2 why i went there instead of umich. see signature for reason #1. the school, in Norman, had only 22k on campus at that time, and it was the best looking campus of the three that i visit -- Purdue was by far the worst. so you get the small college feeling at a major university. for those who attended OU for the academics, it was a good school. my dad, a umich ChE grad, thought that it was neary as good as umich. my dad's grad advisor advisor was teaching still at OU. he was still a major force in thermogodamnics (yes, you read that right.) and a great guy -- outside of his thermo class.
okay now for some dirt: yes, most of the football players and b-ball players had special, not in the regular student catalog courses. Marcus DuPree had, in his last term at OU, 2/4 not in my student catalog. I accidentally took a 200 level english course that was a footballl friendly class. I did not know this until after I finished. (...and I works my tail off to get that A when i did not have to; hey, I'm an engineer.) On the other hand, Brian Bosworth had a legit major and a 3.4+ gpa. Waymon Tisdale, a b-ball player and first roung NBA draft choice, and I had the same class; we both got B's in Poly Sci. He too received a degree from OU.
disclaimer: my lawyer/then OU temp president was the one to give the resign today or else ultimatum. And yes, i do have stories of the early 80's sooners which justfied the near dismissal just as the NCAA dropped the hmmer on them in the early 90's.
February 25th, 2011 at 12:11 AM
#698
I live in Ft. Smith AR which
I live in Ft. Smith AR which gets all of the same weather that OKC gets. With the exception of one day earlier this week we have been in the 60s and 70' for almost 2 weeks. When was the last time that you could count on that weather in the middle of February in Detroit. I understand what you are saying about the middle of a field thing but there are pros and cons to going anywhere.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
#699
I hope its not us. My top 3
I hope its not us. My top 3 that i would love to see in order is
1. ND
1a. Alabama
2. MSU
3. OSU
February 24th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
#700
Not the strongest in math but,
ND, Alabama, MSU and OSU equals 4?
February 24th, 2011 at 5:03 PM
#701
ha i know i submited it then
ha i know i submited it then i realized how much i hate alabama and their oversigning and decided to throw it in there but couldnt decide which one i hate more and forgot to change it
February 24th, 2011 at 4:47 PM
#702
-
I'll put my money on ND or Illinois. Seriously how did Zook that level of player to Illinois when they were 2-10 year after year.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:49 PM
#703
Is there any word
On the time period that these violations took place?
February 24th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
#704
Tennessee
My money is on Tennessee.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
#705
There has been no word on
There has been no word on that.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
#706
Man...there are so many...
Man...there are so many schools in which I would like to schadenfreude (yes, I know it isn't a verb).
Let's see here...I hate OSU...MSU...ND...and as much as it would help recruiting, I can't root for it to be one of them. It seems just to close to home...plus, even blind people can see that those schools are moral and ethical leaps and bounds ahead of the SEC West.
Please, please, please be any or all of the following: Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Arkansas, Ole' Miss, South Carolina. Regardless of oversigning, the business of recruiting and educating student-athletes is a joke in the SEC, but especially among those schools. Hell, if you've got the president of a member school (and arguably the most powerful, if not most then top tier) writing an open letter to SI because the rules have been bent and broken so badly.
Please just give Bama and Auburn the Death Penalty and I'll be more than happy. I'm tired of the media comparing that rivalry to the M-OSU rivalry just because that state is filled with dumber and more vindictive people with free time.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
#707
Please, please, please be
Please, please, please be this.
February 24th, 2011 at 8:52 PM
#708
what about kentucky?
my wishlist is:
1. Alabama
2. Kentucky
3. Auburn
4. Florida
5. Ole Miss (unfortunately not a DI power in anything major)
6. South Carolina or Clemson (same deal)
February 24th, 2011 at 4:52 PM
#709
"They have to get all of
"They have to get all of their facts straight before coming out with it."
Well we know it's not the Freep, then.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:21 PM
#710
Another clue . . .
A "major news outlet" is about to break the story. Surely that entails actual journalists and a readership in triple figures, at least . . .
February 24th, 2011 at 6:26 PM
#711
Your "readers in triple
Your "readers in triple figures" reference made me laugh out loud in class. Well worth the ineffective +1 I can send you in return.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
#712
My top 5:
1.)
My top 5:
1.) Clemson
2.) Stanford
3.) Cal
4.) Virginia
5.) Nebraska
February 24th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
#713
Top 25 class this year out of
Top 25 class this year out of nowhere including Brandon Phelps, who chose Virginia over Ohio State, Michigan, LSU, Penn State and Nebraska, among others. Granted he is local and may have wanted to stay closer to home but how does Virginia randomly start nabbing recruits?
February 24th, 2011 at 6:23 PM
#714
Because Brandon Phelps'
Because Brandon Phelps' parents both went to UVA. And literally almost everyone else in the class is from either Virginia or a private school in Maryland - those schools are UVA pipelines on and off the athletic fields.
It'll be Virginia Tech before it's Virginia.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
#715
Oh,
how I do wish it were Stanford. I have an unhealthy hatred for that school that may or may not stem from being rejected by them. Twice.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:10 PM
#716
Clemson would be an obvious
Clemson would be an obvious choice after this past NLOID. If it were Stanford, that would explain how Harbaugh got them up and running so quickly. No one could say that we didn't dodge a bullet there. I think the other ones are iffy at best.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:54 PM
#717
Clemson? They keep pulling in
Clemson? They keep pulling in top class after top class.
February 24th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
#718
That was my first thought as well
That was my first thought as well
February 24th, 2011 at 4:56 PM
#719
Damn it its slippery rock.
Damn it its slippery rock. Theyre a major program, they always get announced at all of our home games so they must be a major program.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
#720
I heard it is the Naval
I heard it is the Naval Acadamy...
February 24th, 2011 at 5:29 PM
#721
West Point
It has to be the Black Knights. I mean, their players are trained marksman in numerous weapons, for chrissakes! Teaching college football players to shoot heavy machine guns and artillery has to be against some kind of NCAA rule, right?
February 24th, 2011 at 6:37 PM
#722
Actually, the academies DO
Actually, the academies DO pay their players. They're active duty military.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:00 PM
#723
I got a dollar on Stanford.
I got a dollar on Stanford.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:59 PM
#724
It fits the criteria of a
It fits the criteria of a school that people would not expect. It might not get the attention that it deserves because people in Palo Alto don't care about football.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
#725
OMG INSIDERZ, are you guys
OMG INSIDERZ, are you guys getting clues? Where are they pointing?
February 24th, 2011 at 5:24 PM
#726
Ask the Hardley Boys
They usually have raging clues pointing somewhere.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:02 PM
#729
If its not a B1G team.
I really would like to see it be an SEC team preferably LSU!
February 24th, 2011 at 5:26 PM
#730
I was thinking a SEC school
I was thinking a SEC school like LSU, Alabama, or Auburn.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:02 PM
#731
The caveat is that we all
The caveat is that we all expect schools like Bama, Auburn and LSU to be dirty programs.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:05 PM
#732
What makes everyone thiink
What makes everyone thiink it's a Big 10 school? The excerpt Dirk Diggler posted above doesn't indicate that.
Surprised no one's mentioned Texas. Obviously a major program, and would definitely be surprising as Mack Brown is widely considered to run things pretty cleanly. Yet, in the end, would really not be *that* surprising....anyone that saw the Pony Excess documentary knows how shady Texans can geet when it comes to their football.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:14 PM
#733
The reasoning behind it is
The reasoning behind it is that Bill Greene (the man who posted it) is a midwest analyst for Scout. You could be right, though.
February 25th, 2011 at 11:04 AM
#734
That plus "major news outlet"
That plus "major news outlet" points to Chicago Tribune to me - so hoping ND. Then again, there have been enough statements and issues leaked from tUOS that there is something to start with, however that would make it less of an unexpected surprise.
Iowa, Wiscy, or PSU maybe. The respect for Jo Pa makes PSU more likely I guess.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:11 PM
#735
maybe it's the Freep?
and the whole story will turn out to be totally overblown.
February 25th, 2011 at 11:55 AM
#736
NEWSFLASH
The Freep is reporting that South Dakota State University is being investigated for "major" issues involving their football program.
One source indicates that the third string long snapper was issued a warning ticket for J-walking. The student reported, "but I was on a 2-track in the middle of the forest. There wasnt a soul near me for 2 miles and I looked both ways before I crossed." There was a Volunteer Student Compliance Officer watching and reported this Major Violation to the NCAA.
DISCLOSURE: We, at the Freep, are committed to fairness, honesty and integrity in all of our reporting. Please stay tuned for this breaking story.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:23 PM
#737
As long as it's not Michigan
And I don't see any way it could be us. PSU or ND would be a real surprise. Is it definitely for football? Basketball recruiting seems shadier.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:25 PM
#738
There was stuff about Auburn
There was stuff about Auburn a while ago? Who knows. We'll see soon enough.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:44 PM
#739
Auburn
The OP stated it was a school most people wouldn't expect. I'm guessing most people wouldn't be surprised if Auburn (or any other SEC school except for maybe Vandy) was caught with major ncaa violations.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:27 PM
#740
I have it on good authority
I have it on good authority that it's not Temple.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:32 PM
#741
Well, I think it is safe to say that Ted Oakley
does not think much of the hiring practices in the SEC!
February 24th, 2011 at 5:37 PM
#742
TCU
Put me down for TCU.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:43 PM
#743
I'd be cool with Wisconsin
I'd be cool with Wisconsin after last night and Bielema's dickery all the time.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:49 PM
#744
It's kind of funny
reading posts where people think it might be a southern school. The OP states that it's about a school not many people would expect. Do people really think southern schools don't cheat? I don't think to many people would be surprised if an SEC school got nailed for cheating.
February 24th, 2011 at 5:54 PM
#745
Just spitballing here but
It's probably the ESU Timberwolves.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:10 PM
#746
I can't believe
More people haven't said Auburn.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:14 PM
#747
It's supposed to be
It's supposed to be surprising.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:32 PM
#748
Honestly, if this school is
Honestly, if this school is supposed to be a "surprise" then it isn't going to be anyone in the South (maybe Florida or Georgia), and it won't be OSU or probably even us, simply because there have been well published if not overblown violations in the last few years.
Notre Dame gets recruits because they're the Dallas Cowboys of college football. Everyone around the country wants to play for them and people will pick them to be good even when all evidence shows otherwise. I don't think you can look at their recruiting success and point to violations. It could be them but I don't think they're recruiting success would be the reason.
I think it's too early to make any real predictions outside of those.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:18 PM
#749
Put Me Down.....
For Clemson!
February 24th, 2011 at 6:35 PM
#750
He said it wasn't an obvious
He said it wasn't an obvious choice. Any school in a former confederate state save Vanderbilt is an obvious choice.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:20 PM
#751
My first thought was Oregon.
My first thought was Oregon. I think they realized the shit that USC was pulling and figured the only way to compete was to go with the crowd. They probablyy even picked up the tab on a couple of Usc transfers
February 24th, 2011 at 6:22 PM
#752
Good Guess....
Lots of Nike money floating around, definitely would be a surprise, ......
February 25th, 2011 at 2:44 AM
#753
Doubtful. Oregon's recruiting
Doubtful. Oregon's recruiting classes have flown under the radar the past few years. Come to think of it, I don't think they've ever even pulled in a top 20 class.
February 25th, 2011 at 10:49 AM
#754
From Rivals.
Dating back to 03 their classes have been ranked 26, 12, 28, 49, 11, 19, 32, 13, and 9. Over the last 5 years their average is 16.8. Not mind blowing except the jump between 06 and 07, but not really under the radar either.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:30 PM
#755
The most likely outcome is
The most likely outcome is that the rumormongering is complete bullshit, kind of like the rumors last fall that Auburn was going to be kicked out of the SEC by the end of the season.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:30 PM
#756
The most likely outcome is
The most likely outcome is that the rumormongering is complete bullshit, kind of like the rumors last fall that Auburn was going to be kicked out of the SEC by the end of the season.
February 24th, 2011 at 8:57 PM
#757
there were rumors Auburn was
there were rumors Auburn was going to be kicked out of the SEC?
February 24th, 2011 at 9:29 PM
#758
yep, there was
a TigerDroppings (?) message board thread about someone who had connections that said the Cam Newton thing was being strung out because the FBI was investigating Bobby Lowder because he owns a bank that received bailout money.
Allegedly that investigation uncovered (or would uncover) a plot to use his failed bank and his casino interests to launder payouts to Auburn recruits and players (such as "OMG I went to Lowder's casino and won $5,000. What luck!" ) . And with Lowder being an Auburn trustee and his past transgressions with boosterism Auburn was going to get destroyed by the NCAA and could potentially lose their accreditation (because the school's board members involvement proves a lack of integrity amongst the university's leadership).
Then the loss of accreditation would force them to be kicked out of the SEC. But none of this could come out until the FBI had nailed Lowder on the bank/casino crimes.
In fact according to the TigerDroppings insider the only reason the Cam Newtown thing was on the FBI's radar was because it could corroborate things they learned about from wiretapping Lowder's business associates.
Here is a link that has that link
February 25th, 2011 at 2:58 AM
#759
Just to play devil's
Just to play devil's advocate...it doesn't mean that a.) the FBI wasn't investigating Lowder, b.) they are not currently investigating Lowder, or c.) they investigated Lowder, the investigation uncovered dirt, but the AUSA's didn't decide to go forward with prosecution yet or are still deciding or didn't have evidence "beyond a reasonable doubt." One thing I'm sure of: the Justice Department hardly ever prosecutes someone unless it's what most attorneys would consider an open-and-shut case. I worked for a similar government enforcement agency during my 1L summer, and the pervasive attitude there (and even moreso at the Justice Dept, from what I've told) could be summed up in the words the director of my particular field office told me: "We're the government. We don't lose." (Although they do. . . but it's really rare, less than something like 1 percent of the time). My point in this rambling post is that I think it tends to make the DOJ less inclined to prosecute borderline cases, and they also have priorities of what they prosecute and politics play a role. There's too much unknown to just dismiss the stuff in that tigerdroppings board out-of-hand. . . or say it's true.
February 25th, 2011 at 7:05 PM
#760
i still hold out hope
that even a fraction of the TigerDroppings stuff is true and Auburn gets its comeuppance. I'm just not holding my breath.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:32 PM
#761
Pics or it didn't happen..
Pics or it didn't happen.. Seriously, some anonymous poster has some information from a "source" who says a major d1 program is going to get boiled. We know it happened, now we just have to get the facts straight? Err. Yah.
Why would top recruits go to ND? The same reason they would go to UM.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:58 PM
#762
It wasn't an anonoymous
It wasn't an anonoymous poster it was one of the writers that is employed by the recruiting service.
February 24th, 2011 at 6:42 PM
#763
my money is on nebraska
Bo Pelini seems kind of shady coming from Youngstown. That city is corupt as hell.
February 25th, 2011 at 10:24 AM
#764
Could be.. but
Your logic would also make Oklahoma, Arizona, Florida State, Ohio State, Kent State, etc... all guilty since all of their head coaches or Coordinators are products of Youngstown.
February 25th, 2011 at 10:29 AM
#765
Going by the list you
Going by the list you provided, 3/5 of those programs have either faced recent sanctions or have a history of shady practices. So, you contributed to the supposition that Youngstown is a corrupt community.
February 24th, 2011 at 7:05 PM
#766
Every ND Student Has to Pass Calc
If it's ND, and it's some sort of grading/cheating-related scandal, I can't say I'd be surprised.
Then again, Stand and Deliver was based on a true story.
February 24th, 2011 at 7:12 PM
#767
Let's hope it's ND; we want the B10 to continue
to look good in comparison to the likes of the SEC. We'll soon be wiping the floor with MSU anyway.
February 24th, 2011 at 7:14 PM
#768
I could see Weis cheating, but
As much as I hate ND, I don't think it's them. They recruit so well regardless of performance because they're the biggest Catholic university in the country. That alone gets you in with a lot of players and families. Add the constant TV exposure and (now seemingly pre-) historic success and ND doesn't need to cheat to get good players. List of major programs that would surprise me:
Northwestern
PSU
Stanford
Wisconsin
Iowa (though I have a funny feeling it might be them)
...and I guess Nebraska and Oklahoma
February 24th, 2011 at 10:56 PM
#769
"ND doesn't need to cheat to
"ND doesn't need to cheat to get good players"
Except maybe for this little incident...
Following an investigation in 1999, the NCAA placed Notre Dame on two-years probation for extra benefits provided by a representative of the university to football players and one instance of academic fraud. The NCAA found that Holtz and members of his staff learned of the violations but failed to make appropriate inquiry or to take prompt action, finding Holtz's efforts "inadequate." (straight from wikipedia)
February 24th, 2011 at 7:40 PM
#770
I'm going Big 12 team.
All these teams (aside from PSU) are teams I wouldn't really be blown away by. I mean any SEC Team you have to figure is dirty from the get go, but what if it were Texas or Oklahoma?? I mean as much as I hate Texas for beating us in the best Rose Bowl Game ever (except for our national championship win), I respect the heck out of Mack Brown and Bob Stoops. If it were either of those two teams I would be absolutely shocked.
February 24th, 2011 at 7:45 PM
#771
man some of you guys are
man some of you guys are really sounding pathetic
February 24th, 2011 at 7:58 PM
#772
If it's wrong to wish ill
If it's wrong to wish ill upon our hated opponents then I don't wanna be right.
February 24th, 2011 at 7:59 PM
#773
don't get me wrong I got more
don't get me wrong I got more than one laugh out of the thread, but the off season is only getting started...
February 24th, 2011 at 7:54 PM
#774
anybody notice this before?
this could be telling.
February 24th, 2011 at 8:05 PM
#775
This made me think
If Anthony Zettel was offered money to go to Penn State, do we owe bkFinest an apology?
February 24th, 2011 at 10:30 PM
#776
Maybe?
Maybe?
February 24th, 2011 at 8:00 PM
#777
"a major D-1 school that not
"a major D-1 school that not many would expect"
If that's the case, you can rule out OSU, USC, Oregon, UNC, and the entire SEC. I don't think that many of us would be surprised to see these allegations levied against those schools. My picks would be Texas, Clemson, Iowa, or Kansas State. Clemson & KSU are probably out because...really..."Major D-1 Program"??? That leaves us with Texas or Iowa.
Where's your money?
February 24th, 2011 at 9:43 PM
#778
why wouldn't you be surprised
why wouldn't you be surprised by oregon. I've never anything dirty about them. They even kicked their heisman candidate QB off the team. They've got the nike money burning holes in their pockets (and apparently on their basketball court), they have become much more relevant in the last 5-6 years, their in the same conference USC, and whats more shocking than the MNC runner up recruiting scandal.
February 24th, 2011 at 9:43 PM
#779
why wouldn't you be surprised
why wouldn't you be surprised by oregon. I've never anything dirty about them. They even kicked their heisman candidate QB off the team. They've got the nike money burning holes in their pockets (and apparently on their basketball court), they have become much more relevant in the last 5-6 years, their in the same conference USC, and whats more shocking than the MNC runner up recruiting scandal.
February 24th, 2011 at 8:04 PM
#780
Does this have anything to do with the Real Sports story?
It cam out yesterday that they 'may' have some damning stuff on Auburn, Miss State and 'bama...but they are still trying to get a few people on the record.
EDIT: It cam out yesterday, haha
February 24th, 2011 at 8:07 PM
#781
Is this
Is this bet-able on Bodog yet? If so, I'd like to put a few bucks on Wisconsin. Brett Bielema is such an ass-hat; he deserves the (football version of the) death penalty.
February 24th, 2011 at 8:26 PM
#782
Ass-Hat!
Sorry, the +1 won't help return you from Bolivia, but +1 just the same. I also can't stand Beilema. I think tagging him Ass-Hat is AWESOME!
February 24th, 2011 at 8:08 PM
#783
I know we're all looking at
I know we're all looking at football here, but could it be Duke basketball? That would shock the shit out of (nearly) everyone.
February 24th, 2011 at 8:19 PM
#784
Must be a slow news
Must be a slow news day.
Nothing against the OP, but this reads like one of those fortune-tellers who use generalizations and some murky language to "divine" that I had a dog growing up that I cared about, broke a bone playing a sport, and liked hotdogs at baseball games.
Yes, a big-name team will be caught paying its players -- just like they have for years. UM, USC, most of the SEC, FSU, SMU, etc. - it happens, and saying stuff like "oh yeah, it may be out by the summer" is just nebulous enough that when you hear Tenn. or Auburn are being investigated in April it will sound like foresight instead of mere generaliztions.
February 24th, 2011 at 8:27 PM
#785
What about Boise State. It
What about Boise State? It seems whenever they're playing they talk about how they recruit so well out of California. Would any decent player really want to go from California to Idaho to play on that horrendous abomination of a field?
February 24th, 2011 at 8:44 PM
#786
Boise doesn't recruit well at all
They don't recruit that well out of California. Their team overachieves and its not full of blue chip recruits.
But back to the OP, when will it be revealed?
February 24th, 2011 at 8:44 PM
#787
Boise doesn't recruit well at all
They don't recruit that well out of California. Their team overachieves and its not full of blue chip recruits.
But back to the OP, when will it be revealed?
February 24th, 2011 at 8:57 PM
#788
Look at their list of commits
Look at their list of commits over the past nine years. They do not recruit at an elite level at all.
February 24th, 2011 at 8:57 PM
#789
Nothing's gonna happen
Google USC, Reggie Bush, Basketball. Slap on the wrist. It's not like they are having an extra 20 minutes of stretching.
February 25th, 2011 at 2:59 PM
#790
Ohio State is still worse with Clarett
Tutor comes forward and sheds light on how much bullshit is going on there. Maurice Clarett for one class skips all quizzes, walks out of the midterm, doesn't take the final, and is given an oral exam by the prof and he magically is eligible.
Clarett blows the whistle on fake jobs and free cars. Other former players confirm what he has said including Drew Carter I believe. Tressel had already been nailed for the same sort of shenanigans with his quarterback at Youngstown St.
There is no fucking way that Maurice Clarett should have stayed eligible for that season. The fact that Tressel pulled off keeping that kid eligible for 1 season, and Pryor for 3 just proves to me that the man is in fact a god damned miracle worker. Literally NOTHING happened to them. The NCAA sleeps through a bullshit investigation, and then the whole thing just goes away.
I just can't get over it, it's incredible, they should have to forfeit every game of the 2002 season in which they lost to Illinois anyway because that WR has the ball in his hands with a foot in bounds in the endzone.
February 25th, 2011 at 1:33 AM
#791
I really, really hope it's
I really, really hope it's ND, only because my boss goes on and on about how ND is the only school he can root for because they're the only school that does things "the right way" anymore. With him, it's particularly insufferable, because he really has no clue about the general goings-on in college football on a year-in/year-out basis. He's completely clueless about Lou Holtz's NCAA infractions at every stop he's been at. He was convinced that Urban Meyer would be the next coach at ND when Charlie Weis was fired. Hell, he asked me this past season, "Whatever happened to that one QB Michigan had, Chad Hanky? Did Forcier pass him on the depth chart?"
February 25th, 2011 at 1:41 AM
#792
Has he heard of Michigan-ND
Has he heard of Michigan-ND 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, or 2010 by any chance? Video proof is readily available on YouTube from WolverineHistorian.
February 25th, 2011 at 2:36 PM
#793
nothing is more infuriating
nothing is more infuriating for me than having to talk to an ignorant and cocky college football fan.
February 24th, 2011 at 10:44 PM
#794
I'm hoping the NCAA brings
I'm hoping the NCAA brings down the sanction hammer onto Alabama.
February 25th, 2011 at 12:24 AM
#795
Okay, you read in an
Okay, you read in an unspecified thread on Rivals that an unspecified news source is about to break a story that an unspecified D1 school is in trouble.
film at 11
February 25th, 2011 at 1:40 AM
#796
hey!
it's not like a thread wasn't created weeks ago indicating the Pistons had been sold bc somebody's friend said so...
February 25th, 2011 at 1:39 AM
#797
App State
here comes a vacated loss!
February 25th, 2011 at 1:42 AM
#798
Ha
Geaux_Blue wins the thread. Shooting-blank +1.
February 25th, 2011 at 2:52 AM
#801
I am not going to say who I
I am not going to say who I hope it is because honestly it doesn't matter. I want whoever is cheating to get caught, whether it be ND or PSU where it might help our recruiting, to Alabama or Auburn to prove (over and over again) what the SEC is willing to do to win or to any other major program that wouldn't have any affect on Michigan at all. IMO its dumb to say who you want it to be because if this story is true and someone is paying money to multiple recruits then I want that team to be caught. All the other teams that we are speculating or saying on here are just as clean as we are so I hope OSU fans aren't "hoping" its us just so they can recruit Michigan easier. No, let whoever is cheating (well okay whoever gets caught and not for over signing) get punished and deserve it for that reason and that reason alone. After we know who it is we can all talk about how it affects Michigan.
February 25th, 2011 at 4:38 AM
#802
Hell with notre dame
All signs point towards... notre dame.
"To hell with notre dame."
February 25th, 2011 at 10:43 AM
#803
TOSU
If you thought that tattoogate was a little strange and didn't quite add up, you are not the only one. That was the start of something, not the end of something.
February 25th, 2011 at 10:49 AM
#804
Iowa.
Cityboyz Inc.
Rape
Iowa.
Cityboyz Inc.
Rape scandal covered up
Exercise issues
Ferentz is dirty IMO
February 25th, 2011 at 12:04 PM
#805
Iowa?
I'll throw my wild speculation hat in the ring and say it's the Hawkeyes. They are coming off the whole rhabd thing right now.
