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I do believe that I concur.
I say get Maize and Blue Deli in the morning, Zingerman's after the game and Fleetwood Diner's Hippie Hash late night. Trifecta complete...
ummmm...there is a garage on s. forest just a few steps away.
and fyi zingerman's is better.
Let's please not bring up the great deli war of Ann Arbor here. I don't want to get way off topic.
Do you think it's going to be possible to get a spot on a game day? That's where I parked last time I was in Ann Arbor, but that was a Tuesday afternoon so it wasn't quite as hard to get around.
Maize and Blue> zingermans
It is kind of hypocritical to call Maize & Blue the best sandwich and then also tell someone else to not bring up the sandwich war. I think you brought it up, buddy.
Zingerman's is by far the best, although Maize & Blue is very good.
Typically, that garage has at least a few spaces available, although it is a little more difficult to access with 601 Forest under construction.
Go with the Triple Play Reuben or Madonna's Top Hit.
Get a Courtney's Conversation. I am salivating.
It is National Sandwich day
Must try this Maize n Blue Deli. For discussion purposes, why is it better than Zingerman's? I've always been a huge Zing's fan, but I was just there last week, and my Georgia Reuben wasn't as great as I remember. It was damn good, but definitely had some flaws. Please...tell me about Maize n Blue.
Maize and Blue is basically like a small neighborhood deli sandwich packed high with meat and features dozens of combinations of delicious ingredients. Just thinking about it makes me want to drive to AA right now.
Seriously. I'll be in town for OSU and was planning to take my wife (who has never been to AA but loves a good Jewish deli) to Zingerman's, but with all this Maize and Blue talk I'm wavering. Can I get someone from New York or LA to weigh in on this? If I'm looking for something like Katz's or Langer's, which is closer?
Zingermans is anything but a yuppified New York Deli if for no other reason than they make their own bread and have been an Ann Arbor institution for almost 30 years. Their rye bread recently won an award as being the best in the US. I'd rank their corned beef sandwich better than any NYC deli. If you don't have good bread, you don't have a good sandwich.
One reason why Maize and Blue is liked better than Zingermans is that their products are less expensive, but Zingermans also uses the highest quality ingredients around.
Try a sandwich at both places and let us know which one you preferred more.
"I'd rank their corned beef sandwich better than any NYC deli."
I can only assume you have never eaten at some of NYC's great delis. Zingerman's is a great deli for many reasons, but their sandwiches have been wanting over the past several years.
I have tried the Stage Deli, Katz's and Carnegie Deli to name a few. I am not a New Yorker, but I think that Zingermans compares favorably with the places I have mentioned if only for the rye bread which I think is the best I have ever eaten. I have some friends who have met me in Ann Arbor and who grew up in NYC - the discussion about the best corned beef sandwich is always interesting, and biased, as it should be.
Zing's pastrami is better than Carnegie (which is entirely mediocre, a giant tourist trap). Not Katz's, though.
are my favorite Zingerman's sandwiches. Always good. FYI, If you get the reuben though, plan on drinking a ton of water the rest of the day - lots of sodium. But it's worth it!
is better than all NY/LA. Maize and Blue is like Carnegie -- huge, huge sandwitches -- good, but not great. Zingermans is better than Katz's and way better than Langer's (hate that place)
Your credibility just went way out the door. Langer's is easily the best deli in LA, and certainly one of the best in the country, hands down.
But it sounds to me like the people who like Maize and Blue like it because a) the sandwiches are huge, and b) it's a better value than Zingerman's. Is this basically correct?
In that case, I'll go to Zingerman's. I'm looking for quality over quantity (and it's not like Zingerman's sandwiches are small) and if I'm buying 4 tickets to UM-OSU, 2 plane tickets to get there and 2 nights lodging for the weekend...the price of the sandwiches is the least of my concern. See you at Zingerman's.
it was better than I remembered, and compared favorably with Zing's. Always loved that place, but at some point it just got to be over the top for me. I'll take the atmosphere at Katz's any day. One of the owners came up and engaged my shy daughter in conversation and she was really charmed. Even when the sandwiches were great at Zingerman's, I found myself resenting the smirking, self-satisfied people buying them.
I'll take Katz's pastrami over Zingerman's any time and every time. And even though Katz's can be kind of a tourist hell-hole, and even though it has a picture of Jason Williams on the wall (the Jason Williams who killed his limo driver, not the Jason Williams who wrecked his motorcycle and ended his basketball career), Katz's atmosphere is better it's not filled with over-privileged, self-centered pseudo-gourmets who think that they must know more about food than everyone else because they can afford to spend more money on food than everyone else.
Big fan of Katz's myself, and if you want to beat the crowd, weekdays for lunch are great. I work in real estate development and the company has properties near Katz's so I stop in whenver I'm nearby at lunchtime.
I'm no New Yorker, nor from LA but I know good corned beef. There are very few places around here to find it. Zingermans is one of them. Maize and Blue deli just doesn't use the same quality meat...
Take her to Zing's and Amers. M&B is not a Jewish deli
But I have to say Maize and Blue is worth switching every so often. If only so you can experience a sandwhich you can't fit into your mouth. Like not even almost. So much roast beef......damn now I'm hungry.
1) Go there.
2) Do not leave.
Maize n Blue has great sandwiches, but for subs, give Sottini's on 4th Ave a shot. The meats and veggies are sliced very thin, which, in my opinion, is what makes a great sub. I try to hit up Sottini's every time I visit Ann Arbor. Highly recommend the pastrami.
To answer your question, I went to Maize n Blue on game days a couple of times back when I lived in Ann Arbor, and I don't remember the place being crazy busy. As a poster above mentioned, there's a City of Ann Arbor parking structure right around the corner on S. Forest.
I'm also planning on being in Ann Arbor for the Nebraska game. Can't wait.
MAIZE N BLUE it can't be beat
MAIZE N BLUE what a treat
Zingerman's ain't close a bit
Zingerman's it tastes like shit
Zingerman's is actually pretty damn good. I have done a fair amount of work for their expansion, so I get an opportunity to bum a lunch now and again.
Maize and Blue is better on the wallet.
I went last weekend before the Purdue game, since I was taking two of my girlfriend's brothers for their first Michigan game, and wanted to also introduce them to the staples of Ann Arbor cuisine. Maize and Blue opens surprisingly early, at 9:00 AM, and we got there around 9:45 or so to eat before heading towards the Stadium, and we had no problem getting a table. I can't speak for after the game, but if you're willing to go early, you'll have no problem.
And the Ham-I-Am is phenomenal. So if ham's your thing, I'd definitely recommend it.
You have two girlfriends? Nice.
Has more than two.
In other news, I am a jerk.
Respectfully, I disagree to your assertion that a modifier has been misplaced.
I have one girlfriend, hence the singular possessive.* She has four brothers, two of which I took to the game. Thus, I took "two of my girlfriend's brothers." Awkward, sure- but correctly stated nonetheless.
*If I had two or more girlfriends [agreed: nice.], and I took their brothers, it would be plural, as in "my girlfriends' brothers."
Lol at all you people, zingermans is clearly better, better ingredients=better sandwich, anything else is just lying to yourself, and you cant even say there are better variations at maize and blue since you can create a sandwich if you want with any ingredients. Throw in being able to sample anything just puts it over the top. but seriously how do people like it better? its a shorter line and more convient but thats about all i got and im not just saying all of that because i work at zingermans and people showing up is how i keep getting paid
Tell me about the pastrami. I'm being serious.
I've always thought pastrami is the most sensual of the salted, cured meats.
Cantstandya would be proud.
Their pastrami, Zingermans, that is, is excellent. It is as good as you will find in any deli anywhere. If you don't think so, you don't understand how Zingermans works. I am biased in that I have taken almost a month worth of baking classes there over the last few years, but when you spend some time dealing with Zingermans, you start to understand how they value quality ingredients and use them in all of their products. You also will learn why their bottom lines are not as high as you might think, due to how they treat their employees and the cost of goods sold.
It's a better sandwich, although every meeting I've ever had there I get the chicken caesar salad, which is also fabulous. MnB is great too, and cheaper and a more convenient option if you have, say, almost no time like I do some days.
According to the owner of one of the delis in question, Zingerman's/Maize and Blue/Amer's all have the same suppliers of most (obviously not certain house items) ingredients. Zingy's prices everything as if they are in NYC or northern Jersey; the other two do not. People will argue ad nauseum about which of the three is best, but the idea that one is the purveyor of special meats or cheeses is largely not true.
That information would obviously have to have come from someone advocating for Maize 'n' blue; Zingerman's bakes all its own (widely renowned) bread, makes its own corned beef and pastrami, and, since the opening of its creamery, even makes a lot of its own cheese. They may use the same distributor for some items, but to say that the quality of ingredients at both establishments is comparable would be risible.
You have been lied to. That is all.
Thats just patently false, Zingermans books are open and they barely make a profit on the sandwiches (the sides are the biggest profit maker). Anyways there is a reason food and wine magazine ranked zingermans one of the 25 best food markets in the world and its not because they overprice the same ingredients as maize and blue
...for many restaurants, but I assure you that an unmarked Sysco truck does not roll up behind Zingerman's.
P.S. We really need to be careful about this topic. It was a locker room sandwich schism that ended Bobby Williams tenure at Michigan State.
Maize and Blue, #8 on challah. Yeah buddy, that's good eatin'. Best sandwich in Ann Arbor, hands down. As much as I love the place, though, the sandwiches are about where it ends. If they had a really great brownie, better sides... But who cares, the sandwiches are incredible.
That wall of autographs can't be beat, either.
who cares which is better? There is obviously a debate. However, Maize and Blue wins because I can get a sandwich there without paying as much as i would for a meal at Chop House.
I went to Maize N' Blue after the Purdue game and didn't even have to wait to get a table. We waited a little while for our sandwiches since people were getting carryout, but it wasn't too bad at all.
As far as Maize N Blue vs Zingerman's. The one sandwich I had at Zingerman's was without a doubt better than the ones I've had at Maize N' Blue in strictly quality. However, the portions and price of Maize N' Blue are far superior. Being a college student, this means that I'll go to Maize N' Blue over Zingerman's 9 times out of 10.
Carnegie Deli in NYC $16 on the top, Zingerman's in Ann Arbor $15 on the bottom. The corned beef and pastrami are comparable (Zingerman's used Sy Ginsberg meats, as do many delis in SE Michigan--so much for the exclusivity). Maize n' Blue deli has large portion, but their corned beef/pastrami are not as good as either of these--but good for the price.
And that's not even counting sides. Go get a filet at Knight's or somewhere.
It's high, but not crazy. You can't expect to go to a good Jewish deli and pay Subway or JJ's prices. But the best deli in LA (in my and many other's opinion), Langer's, has a famous pastrami on rye with cole slaw and Russian dressing for 13 bucks. It's a full meal, and I'd eat that over a cheap filet any day.
15 years ago, that Zingerman's sandwich cost half as much and was twice as big. They've been coasting on reputation while decreasing portion size at a pretty constant rate for years, but because they're Zingerman's, they'll be defended to the death by people who don't know any better.
Bando: You are spot on.
I have been going to Zingerman's since they opened: price has gone up and the size of the sandwich has gone down to the point where you feel like someone is ripping someone off. I'll pay $15 for a sandwich, I just won't pay $15 for THAT sandwich.
One of my go-to's used to be The Special. Lox, cream cheese, bagel, onion, tomato. Used to be about 10 or 11 bucks. It was huge, bursting with ingrediants, came wrapped up in deli paper.
Today, 14 bucks. It comes in a plastic box. Overtoasted bagel, a paltry little pile of lox, a paltry pile of thin onion slices, a couple slices of tomato, and a little plastic tub of cream cheese. You have to assemble it yourself, and what ensues is a fraction of what The Special used to be.
You nailed it. Still tasty, though.
Also, Blimpy's is no longer "cheap food." A burger (with some fixins), something fried and something wet will run you at least $15.
And I can't believe how much smaller the portions were. I ordered a small, because the bigs used to be a huge meal, and it wasn't even filling for $12. So I got the large next time...and it wa more "these are not the overpriced but huge sandwiches they used to be". They're just overpriced.
Doesn't Zingerman's get their corned beef from Neiman Ranch?
I love Zingerman's and went there the Sunday after the Purdue game. But I also tried Frita Batidos (on this site's recommendation) right after the game. To the OP, if you want to add a new and amazing food stop to your trip, you should definitely try FB. My buddy, also a Zingerman's devotee, and I could not stop talking about the chorizo fritas and coconut cream batidos with a splash of rum that we had after the game. Also, I lived in Miami for 5 years, and this blows the Cuban restaurants I went to there out of the water. Incredible.
Old Country Buffet or Golden Corral should be your favorite restaurant because, although the food quality is really low, there's no limit on how much you can eat.
For the record for the purpose of this thread I would actually say maize and blue is a better gameday bet, I have no clue why people wait in a line for over an hour when there is college football going on but then again i post on here and request off all saturdays so yeah. But yeah zing is better overall quality and if you have the time the experience is great, people who just get a sandwich and thats it are missing out.
My usual Maize and Blue jam is the #6 Where's the Beef? That's what I'd recommend.
As far as game days, I think it's best to go somewhere before the game. After the game, usually everyone is looking for a place to grab a bite and it's incredibly crowded. I haven't been to Maize and Blue before or after a game, but I would anticipate it's similar to the other Ann Arbor eateries.
Your parking question seems answered and I don't want to get involved in the ZIngerman's vs Maize and Blue debate. It's a very subjective thing, especially considering the sides are divided. Each has its merit though.
... if you are taking orders.
Who. Came. First.
Best sandwich ever.
meal I've ever had was at Alinea in Chicago....the second best was at Maize and Blue deli. What makes a meal great is a lot more than the food
The best basketball player I've ever seen in person was Michael Jordan. The second best was my chubby 5'2" cousin...
The head nod right before Papa Johns.
Subway. Got to try it once.
My favorite at Maize and Blue is the Where's Bo?. It's got pastrami, egg, and loads of other goodness.
I know this will send me to Bolivia but...
go to Kroger, buy a pound of Oscar Meyer deli meat, any kind of bread, and some jarred condiments. You will recreate Maize and Blue fairly accurately.
I'd rather be able to control time and space and go to Drake's.
I love the Drake. That was a Seinfeld reference, right?
No. Drake's Sandwich Shop which was on N. University across from the diag from 1929-1993. I guess you never had the limeaid.
#73. Unbelievable. That honeycup mustard is amazing. And there's a parking garage on South Forest basically across the street, usually parking even on gameday.
I wasn't impressed with Maize and Blue Deli. I love corned beef and I was actually pretty disappointed with theirs. Their other sandwiches are good, but I'm too much of a corned beef addict to order anything else.
If you can't do corned beef and pastrami right, why call yourself a deli?
I'll cheerfully admit to being a Zingerman's slappy, at the same time have sadly noticed the decreased amount of meat per sandwich, with the slow, steady rise in price.
Back in the day (late 90s), I could barely finish a whole Zingerman's. Nowadays (and no, I haven't blimped up, I'm still the same 180#), I can gobble one down with little effort.
Haha you sure you just haven't packed on some pounds?
I love Zingerman's pastrami, but it was beat out by a restaurant in the Herbie Hancock Building in Chicago.
it's been over 5 years since i've last had one but my fav was #69. it had a sharp and slightly sweet mustard that made the sandwich. mmmmm.
You gotta go to Zingerman's. It's pretty much what heaven will be like (except that in heaven, everything will be free). Just go around and get free samples of cheeses and honeys that you've never heard of but that turn out to be amazing. Try some of their many balsamic vinegars. They've got great sandwiches, but it's not just about the sandwich. Get some hot chocolate, and request that it be made with Calder Dairy milk. That's to die for. Also, get an eclair. The eclairs are astoundingly good.
If you go to Maize and Blue, you'll get a good sandwich for much cheaper than Zingerman's. But if you go to Zingerman's you'll spend more but you'll learn things. You'll learn about the potential of food, you'll probably run into some new things, and you will taste things that you've never tasted before. And the service is really good too. Everyone knows everything about the food.
There's delis all over, but Zingerman's is pretty unique in my experience. A lot of what I know about food I've learned from talking to people there. You learn how great things can be when they're done right, and how that's done.
I don't know if zingernans is the best for gameday though. With M&B you are right there on campus where things are much more lively than in Kerrytown
One of these days I need to wade into the corned beef and pastrami waters. I've always wanted to try them, but I don't want to blow money on a sandwich I don't like.
That being said, if you are an asparagus fan give the Laura’s Asparashazham a try. Its asparagus on top of peppered ham(delicious), and smoked mozzerella placed between grilled sourdough. It was delightful, until I had to pay for it.
Ask to taste some to see if you like it, a good deli will let you try some of the corned beef/pastrami, at least in NYC and I know at Zingerman's.
As simple as that is, I can't believe its never crossed my mind to just simply ask. Especially considering that I ask to try the honey walnut shrimp every time I go to Panda Express becuase its awesome, but I don't want to pay the extra $1 to have it as an entree.
You won't spend money on pastrami in case you don't like it, but have no problem ordering an asparagus sandwich?
In hindsight that does sound odd. However, I've been a big asparagus fan for as long as I can remember. Its probably my favorite vegetable. Also, if I didn't like it on the sandwich I could just pull it out and eat it as a side. Never having had pastrami and being locked into it if I don't like it made me a bit hesitatant. I'm definitely going to ask to try a sample next time I go though, although its going to be hard to unseat the asparashazam since that was the best sandwich I've ever had.
I prefer Maize & Blue over Zingerman's. Mainly because I'm cheap. I'm willing to eat some lesser food if I save $2-3.
Great option on grilled challah.... minus the Green peppers and add banana peppers...
the last three home games and we've never had a line. As long as you get there before ten you won't have any problems.
I am MI born and raised, A2 reared, and BLUE through and through, BUT... You are driving me crazy saying Zingermans is as good as Katz! Katz is the quintessential east-cost deli, (the people, the samples, their meats are sublime, and egg-creams also)! Langers, Zingermans, including in Phily, Detroit, Chicago, Boston delis, LOVE a good deli, been to them all, and are all good, but everything else pales to Katz.
ps. Langers and Zingermans are similar to answer your question from before the rant!
get something with honeycup mustard.