"BREAKING: Mack Brown will resign as Texas head coach."
"BREAKING: Mack Brown will resign as Texas head coach."
I got some poppin' to do!
Here's a list of Texas players/recruits who had Michigan offers:
I don't think any of them will be transferring/flipping to Michigan.
Is this one for real this time or is this like the ESPN one?
So it's probably legit.
You mean the one operated by ESPN?
Gerg for coach
Kirk guarantees it
let the speculation begin! I say Charlie Strong
I say James Franklin from Vandy
GERG will coach the bowl, crush Oregon, and become the permanent HC at Texas.
He will then proceed to talk about the Little Engine That Could in the midst of cratering a once mighty program.
The report says Mack will coach the bowl game
NBC is running with this as well - (LINK)
According to their story, Brown will coach the bowl game, but if this is not a false alarm, then Texas is in a very interesting position, to say the least. According to another tweet, he supposedly has already talked to the team about it.
Gotta give Brown credit....made sure Saban was off the table first. This is not a coencedence.
I didn't realize there was beef between the two? I thought Saban actually looked up to him.
The last time Texas was relevant was when they lost to Saban and Alabama in the NCG.
Chip Brown tweeted this piece earlier today from Rivals' OrangeBlood page adding a bit of context to the whole Mack Brown retained/Saban extension situation that broke last night. Not sure how relevant the piece is now but some of the insight it provides is interesting. If Brown had stayed it seems like itd have been an impossible situation.
Chip Brown is trash. There's a webpage dedicated to all the tweets about his "sources" he posts that have been dead wrong.
ah missed that. thanks.
He at one point said there was zero sources for aTm gonig to the SEC. Said it was never gonna happen. He also said it was a done deal that West Virginia was joining the SEC, and that ND was going to join the Big 12 in all sports except football.
Maybe he and Ace Williams can pull their considerable resources together and get a story right once in awhile. Then again maybe not.
I was going to ask that. OrangeBloods is constantly churning out 'insider info' but it seems to fall flat half the time. Theyre halfway to Ace Williams to me
Edit: I found the above mentioned website that details all of Chip Brown's failures. A good read indeed:
I promise that link is legit despite the url
How perfect would it be to have saban still end up in Austin
I wonder who they have in mind to replace him. Take a chance on Narduzzi? BoB? Shaw?
Shaw may be the next head coach of the Oakland Raiders, so I doubt he'd go to Texas.
I would think they'd be more interested in Dantonio than Narduzzi if they wanted either.
Bring in Dantonio, with as much of his staff (at 4x current salary) as Dino wants. Narduzzi, Mike Tressel, plus plus plus.
I don't see it, though. I think it will be somebody from the state of Texas; not an Ohio guy like Dino.
better. What has Dantonio done over the last few years, but for this year and no connection with the South. He's also a prick and would not schmooze with the alums.
"Over the last few years" (Since 2010) Dantonio has led MSU to 3; 11 win seasons and won 2 Conference titles. While he doesn't have any recruiting ties to the Texas region with the right coaches that can be solved and UT and is still a draw for kids in Texas.
As for the prick comments, I don't think that it matter really because unless you have been to an MSU fundraiser you really don't know what he is like with boosters.
Maybe I'm being bitchy but I'm just tired of the "well he's a jerk" comments as a means to discredit the accompishments of others. If your team wins you don't care if the other coach is a "prick" because being a loser is a lot worse than being a jerk.
D'Antonio really is a prick. I know the man. Maybe prick is too strong; he's not a bad guy, he's just amongst the least "cool" people you could ever meet. He is cold and boring and always about business.
I don't really know how any high school kid could want to play for him. I have a feeling he gets a lot of overlooked kids who are mad at not getting attention from bigger programs, and they gravitate towards his negativity and underdog role. Hell of a coach. Good guy. Prickish attitude.
the last five years is not a great record, albeit with less than great talent. I'm not saying he is a bad coach. I respect what he has done at MSU and expect he would do well most places. He would be a bad fit at Texas given his personality and lack of connection with the HS coaches. You could question why then would Texas want Saban, a similar personality to Dantonio, but Texas and Alabama are two different worlds and I'm not so sure Saban would be a good fit at Texas either, but he would be successful just because he has proven himself to be a great coach and attracts great talent, two things Dantonio does not have, at least not yet.
Who is 'Dino'?
I think they would be more like to get Dantanio than Narduzzi (with Narduzzi then taking over MSU). More likely Dantonio is in for a big raise as he doesn't get paid much now and I can't imagine he would be leave as long as MSU takes care of him like they should.
People will also float Jon Gruden but he's not coming. Neither is Jim Harbaugh. Art Briles is probably out too with his recent extension. I don't think David Shaw will leave except for an NFL job.
More realistic options include James Franklin, Charlie Strong, Hugh Freeze, Jimbo Fisher, Jim Mora Jr., Todd Graham, Mike Gundy, and Dabo Swinney.
Also Gus Mahlzan but I think he got a recent extension too.
No way Jimbo leaves FSU. He's all set there with being in the MNC and all.
Jimbo isn't leaving FSU. Just not happening.
Mora just signed a long extension at UCLA. Malzahn just signed a long extension at Auburn. Saban just signed a long extension at Alabama.
Jim Harbaugh surprisingly has dodged the question at pressers when he's asked. He never just bluntly says "I'm staying with the 49ers, not even talking to Texs".
Of the names you've listed, I could see Gundy or Strong. The others are either 1. Texas wouldn't be interested or 2. They wouldn't be interested in Texas.
The extensions guys like Malzahan, Sumlin, etc signed almost certainly won't be able to stop Texas if they come calling if that coach is interested. Those extensions were signed in part for PR reasons and for recruiting. They likely have nothing in them that prevents the coach from leaving.
No Gruden, sure. But what about Tony Dungy?!?
Heard cowher was looking for a job
Hopefully not Narduzzi. I want Michigan to get their revenge against them first.
BREAKING: Texas hires RichRod.
Amen brother, I was thinking the same thing. Call me wrong, but I think Texas shit the bed on this one. Sure they'll get a good coach, but maybe not the "rock star" they were wishing for.
What's Football Scoop's track record like? Ira vouched for them on WTKA earlier this week. Theyre tweeting that Saban couldnt be seen as forcing Brown out the door while heavily suggesting Saban may still be in play for Texas.
This is a good thing because it is another chip in the carousel that could open a spot for Narduzzi to take.
Right now from Columbus to Tuscaloosa coaches be counting dolla bills...
Nick Saban come on down.
Texas has more money than any university. If they zero in on somebody, no one will out bid them.
But it raises the market price for everyone else...just like ridiculous contracts in MLB have a way of dragging the 2nd tier players up a healthy little bit.
*Texas has more money than anyone that cares about football. Harvard has almost 12 billion more and Yale is slightly ahead of Texas.
Who do they go after and get? Is this the job that gets Gruden? James Franklin from vandy? Charlie strong? I think Texas could go after just about any coach in America, get pretty much whoever they want.
Except Saint Nick :(
About Saban....lol. Anyways, I think Texas wants to get a younger Saban....
Michigan, ND, Penn State, USC, Tennessee etc etc etc.
Lived in Austin, football in Texas is different than the others you mentioned. They can offer pretty much any $$$$ to whoever they want.
Recruits Texas already, and is a hot commodity at this point. Seems to me like a great hire if he's available and doesn't bolt to the NFL.
Doubt it, since I believe he recently signed an extension.
Art Briles to Texas. You heard it hear first folks.
He just signed an 8 or 10 year extension. So no.
I've heard it a lot of other places.
that Urban Meyer's wife was looking at homes down in Austin. She particularly likes one 4,000 ft place with a two-story fireplace in the great room, but isn't thrilled with the chintz wallpaper everywhere. Decisions, decisions...
We could give the Texas fanbase a serious lesson in Flight Tracker application.
Here is a photo of why Petrino is interested
Aaaaaaaand here come the,"she's not even very attractive" comments.
a couple teams that Saban has escape clauses for in his new Alabama contract. Texas could be one of them?
Obviously the other in Ann Arbor
Only a matter of time.
is it a coincidence that the mack resigns when the mega millions jackpot is up to $500 Million
I spose it's time to go. I guess. He turned this year around with the help of Greg Robinson and had them within a win of the Big XII championship. Texas brings in talent and they should win more..but maybe the talent they bring in isn't what the stars say they are, which maybe he should scout high schoolers better, but, eh...I guess they need a fresh start.
If I'm texas I'd make a run at Charlie Strong. He would be my first choice and after that who knows. O'Brien could be a name, Not sure on Franklin for the Texas job though.
I'd rather have Bobby Petrino than Charlie Strong...
Imagine Petrino in Austin...
You don't give the kid a candy store.
He'd be fine as long as he doesn't lay down the bike again.
Actually, O'Brien is one that haven't heard a whole lot about. He's done a great job at PSU considering their situation. He should def get a pretty good look I would think.
Are you high.
Petrino was 12-1 his last year at Louisville and brought the team to the Orange Bowl, which he won. He was also 10-3 and 11-2 his last 2 years at Arkansas. He's a more accomplished coach. I don't care if he had a mistress. Arkansas's AD (Michigan Man) was made out to be a hero for firing him, but look where they are now.
Are you asking.
Texas can get any coach they want. I doubt they want a DC with no experience.
Not that I think that will happen, but that's the only scenario I can see where Narduzzi ends up in Austin.
the plot thickens.
Jim Schwartz for Texas! Please?
I read it as "Mack Brown re-signs with Texas" and I thought, "Oh good, so that's all squared away now."
Then I read it again and thought, "Waaaaaait a minute..."
LOL I thought I was the only one!
I did the same thing and reading the comments in this thread was very confusing for a minute.
after Saban had signed to thwart Saban from going to Texas. Brown doesn't think that Saban's values mesh with Texas' values.
Ya, you read the OrangeBloods report I presume? Some very shady stuff going on there and very disfunctional as well? The thing is, that's not for him to decide. That's what resignation means. Yet he felt the need to interfere completely.
...which means absolutely nothing because Saban has no buyout. His contract "extension" might as well be written in crayon on a napkin.
"Extension" even more the case. Just because he agreed to it doesn't mean he can't/won't go to UT. They are mutually exclusive and UT could give him anything to get him to come. $8mil+ per year probably isn't even out of the question.
Texas needs to learn that no one gives a damn about them outside of Texas. They really did this before the Heisman ceremony? We get it, you were in the NC game a couple years ago. Run along back into the corner with ND.
This is a classic comment coming from a Michigan fan. Texas may have an ego about them (like we don't) they've had much more success recently than Michigan or ND have had.
I don't see why that's supposed to sway me. They've earned the right to stomp around declaring "we'll send truck loads of ivory back scratchers to who ever we damn well please and take him from your school" and time their press release to steal national attention away from the second biggest night in the college football post season? My comment wasn't "Michigan and ND are superior to Texas on the football field."
You really think they were trying to steal the thunder from the Heisman ceremony?
This couldn't wait until tomorrow morning? The anouncement that Mack Brown is leaving two weeks from now?
I think the announcement came after the banquet (last night), and after Saban signed his extension (yetsterday). The Heisman ceremony is neither here nor there.
I wonder what aggieblue, tigerblue, or [Insert Big 12 Team]blue would say.
Yes, I am paid to break big news stories. But lets wait to break what is undoubtably, a big story because the Heisman Trophy winner is announced tonight... Makes sense.
To do with the ceremony, it ends that part of the saga and sends a message to recruits that Texas is bigger than the Heisman
It is a great honor no doubt, but you are pretty over the top in your views on UT "stealing (its) thunder" and all.
Really? You actually watch the most over-hyped event in the college football season?
I don't agree, at all. Perhaps Ol' Rich will go to Austin?
Serious question: dantonio to Texas?
I doubt Dantonio leaves. He is getting up there in age and has had heart complications. He also signed a huge extention which made him a "spartan for life".
First. For the kind of money Texas would offer he would be gone in a second.
Texas however will not be hiring a guy coming off a 6 loss season in 2012. That's not happening.
The Texas opening is likely going to create a number of other openings and that could lead to Dantonio getting offered a better job somewhere.
Dantonio definitely could get good offers, not great but good (his health and age are too much to overlook), but this idea that he's leaving MSU is just ridiculous
Things, first, why does everyone refer to the health problems Dantonio has? He had a heart attack, not a heart transplant. Also, his age....pretty sure Saban is older than him. I'm not saying Dantonio is going anywhere, I think he loves MSU, the excuses though seem kind of lame. Some act like he is on the edge of death and that his only option is MSU.
of what Hoke is paid. I doubt he leaves MSU, but if he did it would be for a TX level job/$$. Should be easier at TX - more recruits with equal to worse competition. If TX didn't feel they have to make such a big splash with this hire - they should consider Dantonio IF Narduzzi is part of the deal.
More likely (as mentioned elsewhere in the thread) is that the subsequent shuffle after TX makes it's hire opens a job that Narduzzi might actually consider.
is having recruiting contacts within and in adjoining states. Dantonio is a midwesterner and knows the area. Unless he hired assistants very familiar with the recruiting in Texas I doubt he could put together a successful program.
Thus it is highly unlikely Dantonio is going anywhere.
Saban was a midwestern based in his coaching before he took the LSU and Alabama jobs...Mack Brown coached at UNC before he took the job...
LSU wasn't anything when they hired Saban. So they needed to take more of a risk on a coach.
And Mack had been coaching around the South for about 15 years before going to UNC, so it's not like he jumped straight from Carolina to Texas blind
Not only that - you have to have the right connections and right personality to fit the school. Mack Brown lasted so long because he was great at bringing in big money and smoozing doners to keep them happy. Dantonio does not seem capable of doing that.
Dantonio works at msu because he's got that grumpy, us against them mentality the whole school does and it's not a high profile job where he has to kiss ass all day. Honestly msu winning double digit games every year is probably bad for his job security because as the program grows, expectations rise, people pumping in money start to expect certain things and then if you have a couple 7 - 8 wins seasons you're gone.
Dantonio was from Texas area. Also, this is Texas, the university of Texas....this is THE school in the area, coaches and players will listen to Texas regardless of where the new coach is from...to me since this is Texas, the so called "ties" the coach has or doesn't have is irrelevant.
He is from Texas and played at South Carolina. I guess a more accurate statement would be that his coaching ties are all to midwestern schools however I agree that can be overrated.
There is no way UT picks up a someone with no head coaching experience. That would be too great a risk with minimal reward.
Serious answer, no.
Probably time for him to go, but I wonder if they'll try to stay in-house (maybe Major Applewhite?) or try to nab someone. I guess Petterson is the big name out there now, but I do wonder who is going to be available and who would fit in culturally. So what you will about Brown, but he seemed to keep everyone happy down there for most of his tenure.
The few Texas fans I know are having wet dreams about Harbaugh.
That's not happening.
If it is it's gross.
I agree on all counts.
I would fucking lose it. And then I would cry and lose it again.
Jim or John?
Step 1: Hire Mike Leach
Step 2: Remove all sheds from campus
Winning all the internet rewards.
I'd love to see the pirate run that team, but I'd be terrified for every working girl and streetwalker in Austin because Craig James would be on a rampage trying to stop it.
Speaking of their class, I looked at Rivals and only 3 of their 23 current commits are from out of state. Crazy
Gus Malzahn said it was his dream job. I know he's about to go to a national championship with Auburn, but winning one didn't keep Gene Chizik safe there. Think he jumps ship after the NC game regardless of outcome?
That way he can get out before the alleged shit hits the fan over recruiting.
This is fun...Texas would be a great job to have.
Lots of fine curvy women in Austin to get Petrino in trouble. This time invest in a Trike Motorcycle.
I can't help but believe that this is a product of all the baseless conjecture being spewed by the media, ESPN in particular. I wonder if he resigns had it not been thrown around the last couple of weeks like it was truth when it wasn't. To me, it's really irresponsible. Especially when ESPN has a dog in the fight with the Longhorn network. Same thing with ESPN being involved in the SEC network and constantly stroking that conference. I'm not a journalist, it just seems like this kind of thing is a conflict of interest.
Looks like it worked though. ESPN got their story.
ESPN has far too much power in the college football world. I for one really hope Fox Sports 1 gives them competition in hopes that this changes.
What about tressel? I know he has a show cause and all, but if any school has the clout to overcome that, its Texas. They could sign him fairly below market value as well as he is damaged goods no?
Tressel was screwed. We all loved it, but he wasn't running a dirty program, he just slacked on accountability. I don't even believe he is "damaged goods". He'd be a fantastic hire.
Are you being sarcastic? "He just slacked on accountability." That's sarcasm, right?
Honestly, do you think he did anything that at least three SEC coaches aren't doing in any year?
I understand where you're coming from, but that doesn't mean that the SEC coaches are merely "slacking." They're cheating too. But Tressel got caught. Not getting caught doesn't mean it's not wrong.
Soooo, you're saying there aren't at least 3 SEC scoaches running a dirty program??? I disagree.
Dirtiness has followed him wherever he's ever gone, look it up. The guy brings trouble and lack concern/control for players and their actions off the football field. He may be a good coach, but nothing a school like Texas wants.
Tressel cheated his entire career. He only got caught twice.
If he is free from NCAA Tressel would be their best hire
Tressel probably wouldn't even make the bottom of top ten coaches Texas is seeking. Mike Gundy, Bob Stoops, Bobby Petrino, Art Briles, and at least a half dozen others look a lot better than Tressel for the job.
As a Michigan fan and angry season ticket guy I was frustrated by Tressel for years. His smug pseudo pious approach, his bossing around Gee, the cheating. None of the names you mention are his level of coach in my view.
I'll give the devil his due. Sure they won't hire him but he is a hell of a coach.
I would say Stoops's 4 BCS National Championship appearances trumps anything Tressel has done. The others I listed are a bit lower, but they still have the advantage of recruiting Texas or the general vicinity on a regular basis. Tressel would be completely out of his element in Texas.
Stoops mostly got over on a weak former Big 8 played nobody got BCS berths.
Tom Osborne perfected this pre BCS
He knows how to win. As far as i can tell, thats about all any program cares about. The moral high ground is a great bonus, but losing is worse. Case in point, nick saban.
rumors seem to be Texas wants either a Super Bowl winner or National Championship coach. What about Urban? He just got knocked out of the title picture by MSU, Miller will be gone after next year. Texas fits the size of his ego too.
Then Narduzzi gets the OSU job.
That last one would suck, but it would be a possibility.
I can't see how a program of OSU's caliber is going to hire a HC with zero HC coaching experince. I'd be shocked if they brought in Nartuzzi.
I agree that it is far from likely. It's still a possible out come.
Texas is probably a slightly better job than OSU, but not by much. I only say that due to the financial ability that the Longhorn Network gives them and the talent in the state. But, there is a lot of talent in Ohio, the BTN is strong, and OSU probably has had more success in the last 25 years than UT has. Urban is from Ohio and has roots at OSU. He has no claim to UT or the state of Texas. I can't see him leaving his home state and former school just for an ever-so-slight move up in programs...especially after only losing one game in 2 seasons at OSU. I'd bet Urban is quite confident he can win a NC at OSU in the next few years and probably expects to be able to be in the NC picture every year. And, with where they currently are, the weakness of the B1G, and how he's recruiting I would find it hard to argue he wouldn't.
Then again, it has to gnaw at Urban that many people were not certain that an undefeated OSU should have a shot at the NC game over a one-loss SEC team. The weakness of the B1G also hurts him at OSU.
Urban to Texas
Dan Tonio to Ohio State
Narduzzi to HC of MSU
Let the good times roll!
How does this benefit UM?
I found your next place to jump to!
/Please let it happen!
1 heart issues resurface
2 resign to take care of health and be with family
3 figure out it was just heart burn from the burritos you eat
I always felt bad for Texas when Colt McCoy got injured in the NCG in 2010. I really thought Texas was the better team with McCoy and that really set them up for some struggles after that. They had some really tough luck and didn't seem to be able to develop a QB. Gilbert, Ash, and Brewer never producing/developing really hurt them. I heard someone on ESPN saying some nonesense that Texas was down because they couldn't land RG3 or Manziel, not even realizing that Ash & Gilbert were both higher ranked recruits than RG3 or Manziel were. I have wondered why Texas still couldn't win with all that other talent around the QB and all those great recruiting classes.
That game sucked too.
With the amount of recruiting nowadays it's seems like a NCAA coach is a 365 24/7 job. Would a Super Bowl winning NFL coach really leave that to go coach Texas?
Crazy if you think that an NFL head coaching job is any less demanding.
I don't think it's less demanding, but the ways in which it requires/eats up a coach's time as opposed to college coaching must be drastically different. The recruting thing could get old real fast.
NFL is more demanding based on roster restrictions/personnel and you can see how Saban worked this to his advantage at Alabama vs. his time in Miami. Personnel plays a much bigger role in the NFL in determining if you have success or not. Also, scheme is key in the NFL in that talent disparity (unless you're a Browns fan like me) is less in terms of team to team variance vs. college.
Let the dominos fall
I think it would be pretty sweet if Texas stayed in this current slump for a while. Before Mack Brown got there, the Horns were a mediocre program for about 25 years, where 8-4 was considered a great season. While Michigan fans were complaining that Lloyd Carr was consistently getting 9-3 seasons out of 11-1 talent, a usual comment on MLive was that, hey, at least we're not Texas.
Once Mack got there, Texas looked alot like Notre Dame did when they were coached by Lou Holtz, winning 11 games every year, half of their wins always by the skin of the their teeth where every critical bounce and flukey play went their way...game after game, season after season.
Just look at these bowl results that took place over a 5 year period:
2005 Rose Bowl: Kicked a field goal with 6 seconds left to beat Michigan 38-37.
2006 Rose Bowl: Scored a TD with 19 seconds left to beat USC 41-38.
2007 Alamo Bowl: Scored a TD with 1 minute left to beat Iowa 26-24.
2009 Fiesta Bowl: Scored a TD with 16 seconds left to beat Ohio State 24-21.
I really grew to dislike these guys. I've never seen a program win so many close games over such a long period of time. And given how Michigan sucks at close games, I resent them more.
You gave your post off as matter of fact and then proceeded to give us 5 bowl games where nothing 'flukey' seemed to happen.
The 2005 Rose Bowl was indeed flukey; someone (maybe Crable, but I can't remember for sure) actually got a piece of the game winning field goal but it inexplicably still went through the uprights.
Texas was also outplayed by USC for the national championship but Vince Young absolutely went off that game and basically single-handedly won that game, including a late game come from behind drive to win the game
Yes. Crable's forearm/elbow. I remember screaming "Blocked!" when I saw it hit him, but the ball had so much on it that it went on through the uprights
Ernest Shazor got a piece of it, then Victor Hobson brushed a finger on it after the initial deflection, IIRC, and it still went through.
Well, Vince Young was part of the team which means USC didn't didn't outplay them. It isn't necessarily enough to outplay everyone on a team but the QB.
Also the disrespect for Tressel's career is a bit surprising to me. I truly believe he's dirty, but the guy won 81% of the games he coached at OSU, won a national title, made two more appearances, won six Big Ten championships in ten years, making eight BCS bowls in total, winning four.
If Brady Hoke comes close to matching that over the next decade, the board would (rightfully) be asserting that he's one of the best coaches in the country.
I'm behind you 100%. I just hope that IF Hoke does get to that level, we aren't left to deal with how dirty our coach was in achieving his accomplishments.
But the man can coach; you don't stumble into five national championships. I'm with Brian in feeling that "Ding, Dong" was a perfect title to seeing him ousted from the bench in Columbus.
good point - same situation
From 2000-2009 Texas was 110-19 and 7-3 in bowl games with 1 MNC. Close games or not, that is a good record that I think a lot of Michigan fans would sign up for right now.
It's funny because when those same last second plays happen for UM, it is a great comeback but if it happens for them then it is a fluke.
He may have rejected the UCONN offer, but I think he'll bolt immeadetely to Texas if the opportunity presents itself.
You can't honestly believe that Texas would offer Narduzzi their head coaching job do you? That is insane. The overrating of Narduzzi is scary.
But it could end up being very, very delicious.
LOL. I can see why he rejected UCONN, but if Texas came calling I think it would be a diffferent story... NOOOO FUUUUCKING WAAAAAY
I agree, Tressel at Texas would be a dangerous combination
Auburn fans will be freaking out right now. Malzahn said Texas is his dream job and he has never been shy about job hoping. Plus everyone knows how crazy the Auburn fan base is. Job security and Auburn don't belong in the same sentence.
I said exactly this earlier in the thread.
To AZ with 3 mins left in the game... Sigh
"Job security and Auburn don't belong in the same sentence.". Hmmmmmm, but you just did.
Call me crazy, but I think who ever Texas hires will NOT be a big time hire (ie not Meyer, harbaugh, Saban, etc). College football is a crazy world these days - not only with inflated coaching salaries but teams like Baylor, Michigan state, Ucf, Louisville, etc can play in bcs bowl games - there's more parity than ever meaning people can win at "smaller" programs with out the additionally stress. And when coaches like sumlin are getting five million a year for winning zero conference titles or bcs games, why would a coach leave to a big time program?
I mean michigan found this out the hard way and I think Texas will too. Whoever they get I bet the collective reaction will be "that guy?!"
We have a playoff system coming. I'd bet it expands from 4 teams to 8 or more relativly soon. The 5 power conferences are already looking to make changes to the current NCAA setup/rules. I see the rich getting richer and the little guys moving further back. Now, Louisville, Baylor, and MSU are all in these conference so they will have a horse in the race. But, long term I don't think they can compete with the Michigan's, Texas', and Florida's of the world. These school's may be down relative to their expectations (albeit far from bad teams for the most part), but with the resources they have, the way they recruit, the fan base support they have it's hard to imagine they won't reclaim their spot sooner rather than later.
We will agree to disagree - I just don't see it going back to the so called "big boys" and the rest of them.
Texas tech, Baylor, Texas A&m, and tcu have all had better seasons than Texas in the last five years - and that's just in Texas alone. The landscape is changing, and if I'm an up and coming coach what's the incentive to leave a comfortable situation when I am making a boat load of money and winning?
Anyways I guess we all will wait and see but I think the hiring will be underwhelming and Texas may strike out on their top choices.
What's the common denomenator with all those teams (Baylor, TCU, and TA&M)? They all have/had great QBs. When UT had Applewhite, Simms, Colt McCoy and Young they were great. They have struggled because Gilbert, Ash, etc. never really developed. Baylor had RG3, TCU had Dalton, and TA&M obviously has Manziel. But, in all fairness none of those QBs were highly rated recruits coming out of high school, so all those schools lucked into those QBs to some degree and capitalized on their success by recruiting after they had success. If you insert a good QB into Texas the past few years I'm sure they'd be really good too.
The hard part for Texas is that anything other than a top national coach with a proven track record will be considered a failure. Unless you get a Saban, Meyer, Miles, etc. the fan base won't be happy. I wonder if Muschamp is kicking himself now.
Quality qb play is a huge part of success. I wonder why teams don't proportionally over-recruit qbs (like take 2 every year) to increase the chances of finding a really good one. Maybe the recruits wouldn't go because they'd face too much competition?
Is that high level QBs don't want to be playing together. Most want the chance to have "their" team. There don't seem to be many teams that are getting 2 4-star QBs in a class. QBs can get drafted high from mid-level schools, so they don't have to go to one of the top-25 schools to have a shot of playing on Sundays. USC early 2000s is the last school I remember running out stud QBs year after year. That's just my uneducated take on it.
I agree, I thing the "big name hires" out there already have the jobs they were looking for. Either that, or they are just too old (Dantonio).
gets the Texas job and Narduzzi will take over the Sparty program
If I were hiring a head coach I'd only want Dantonio if he came with Narduzzi. I think Dantonio would struggle a lot more at a program where he couldn't at the underdog in the weeds card. He's never proven himself as a recruiter of big time kids.
Why not the great Lane Kiffin? haha
Mack Brown was a really good coach and he will be hard to replace. However, I bet Texas gets someone better than Brady Hoke.
Texas my first call is bill O'brien.
There is no proof he is a top coach. He's achieved middling records with decimated teams, but that just proves exactly what it sounds like. I don't get the BoB love to be honest. I know, i know, he is coaching a team in turmoil, blah blah blah. Can he win big? We have no idea.
He's a former NFL OC. His teams would immediately have a decided schematic advantage.
Experience at both levels, he's recruited pretty damn well considering psu's situation. Frankly, I think they have over achieved the last two years even considering their record. That being said, I understand what you are saying, even though Texas can offer anyone any amount of money, I feel like this search is heading in the same direction as one of ours. It seems like this program is at about the same spot we were up in Lloyd's retirement, although, Texas has a lot more talent waiting in the wings supposedly.
announcement, said the decision to stay or go was fully Mack's. Interesting. If true, it did allow this first class guy to go out on his terms.
Most coaches at one program start to believe they are above the program/school. Not Mack.
Leon, Texas is lucky you are not in charge. As it stands, that would be a desparate call after about 25 no's and it would be about 2 seconds long before Bill got some suntan lotion.
In addition to kind of over achieving at Penn State, O'Brien was an excellent OC with the Patriots. Not as bad a choice as you think.
I am a K-State fan. Because I cannot start topics, I am forced to discuss navel gazing Michigan topics for a bit before I can blow your minds with my really awesome original posts.
" Heaven forbid we have a down season or two. Ignore whether Hoke and his staff develop young men, keep a clean program, are good for the school and graduate their players. It's all about how many wins this year or in two years.
What should we expect from our program? Teams that show character and in which we can take pride."
"Criticising coaches is fine, talking openly about forcing out a coach if they don't hit your personal W/L threshold is counterproductive."
Do these guys really think there is some giant magic karmic up/down vote Michigan bucket that is being tainted by someone, somewhere on the internet talking about multi-millionaire Brady Hoke's job performance? Good grief, the Big House isn't going to grow legs and terrorize Ann Arbor like in Ghostbusters. I hope all the young people that actually earned their way in to Michigan laugh at these class ring cheese dicks. You should demand results.
An old money attitude in a new money world will doom you to the faint praise of being "true Michigan men" and "playing it the right way" and being proud of a mediocre team in a mediocre Big Ten. If the achievements of Fielding Yost still keep you warm in 2013, more power to you.
gobluehtown, compiled some nice stats, but I wanted to look at 3 different questions:
1) conference record- are you competitive in the Big Ten?
2) conference titles- are you the best in the Big Ten?
3) BCS bowls- are you competitive among the nation's elite?
To provide some similar context I picked out 3 other blue blood programs that have had similar profiles over that span of time:
Michigan: Spilt National Title and on (1997-2013) 17 seasons
Nebraska: “ (1997-2013) 17 seasons
Texas: Mack Brown era (1998-2013) 16 seasons
Notre Dame: post-Lou Holtz (1997-2013) 17 seasons
Notre Dame N/A
Michigan 5 (Lloyd Carr 5)
Texas 2 (Mack Brown 2)
Nebraska 2 (Osborne 1, Solich 1)
Notre Dame N/A
Michigan 3-3 (1 MNC) (Hoke 1, Carr 5 (1))
Texas 3-1 (1 MNC) (Brown 4 (1),)
Nebraska 2-1 (1 MNC) (Solich 2, Osborne 1 (1))
Notre Dame 0-4 (Kelly 1, Weis 2, Davie 1)
The most recent MNC appearance is Notre Dame.
The most recent MNC win is Texas.
Neither Michigan nor Nebraska have a conference title under their current coach.
I think the divisional/title game format has allowed Michigan to back in to a BCS appearance (and that will happen again), but it will suppress your conference titles. For example, Texas has 6 additional conference wins in one less year, but only two titles and 2 fewer BCS appearances. The good old days of the lazy Susan Big Ten schedule never making its way to a true round Robin are gone. The Big 12 is a crap shoot and very competitive because of the new format, and the division/title format certainly resulted in a number of upsets as well.
Mack Brown just “retired” tonight after achieving a hell of a lot. It will be interesting to see who Texas hires and how that all shakes out. Nebraska and Michigan since 1997 have not been the same. While Nebraska owned the early 90’s, Michigan has clearly been better since, but has not been a real threat for a National Title.
Maybe that is not what you want to chase, but it should be. If you think Brady Hoke is the guy to do that you should keep him. But history says it should start winning 10+ games soon if that is ever going to happen. Hell, Bill Snyder has won 11 games 8 different times and did it in 6 of 7 years during his best stretch. That only got us 3 BCS bowls, so be thankful that isn’t your problem. I don’t understand the attacks on someone actually putting together a case that Brady Hoke’s seat should be getting warm and if you look at a group of your peers, things can go off the rails pretty easily with a couple bad hires strung together. Of course it is easier to recover from, but if you are indecisive you lose in the mean time.
When Michigan State has the better program, you should probably make a move.
yeah, but I'm trying to get points.
I will use every single one of my points to make sure that you don't get to 100.
heh. ok then.
I'll take MSO GSP's word for it. Stopped reading after KSU mention.
lot of unmotivated learners here.
Insulting our blog is not going to get you the points you claim you need.
That was an insult? Good grief.
Posts like that are why the point system returned.
If I wanted to read a lecture from a Big 8 (12)/whatever conference fan about the state of Michigan football I'd ask for it.
Then why did you read it?
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
I got through paragraph 1
luckily reading stamina can be improved through practice, however comprehension is more important and it seems you lack that too, so maybe giving up was a good call.
If I could start a topic I'd post a breakdown of the game, but since I have to post in topics I thought I would try to keep it somewhat on topic. I spent a bit of time compiling some data to make a case. I think voting systems and restrictions on new posters is asinine, but given the format it seems absurd that I'd rack up down votes for what I posted.
But starting off your first ever post with talking about being "forced to discuss navel gazing Michigan topics" on a freaking MICHIGAN BLOG because oh noes, you can't make your own threads. You're just asking for it. If you aren't a troll, perhaps you shouldn't disrespect an entire forum in your first post. Just a thought.
I'm glad you spent time on that data. Maybe you should have spent more time being less of a dick in your first post.
Because it eliminates obvious trolls posting stupid shit to get people riled up. You can dislike whomever you want, doing it in a constructive way.
Ok. Is what I posted really "trolling?"
I think you tl;dr that one too:
"Don't be redundant. Don't use stupid nicknames like O$U. Spell things correctly. Don't post useless replies like "I agree" and whatnot."
Saying stupid and/or false things about Michigan in order to get Michigan fans upset is a tried and true way to phish for clicks. Let's not feed the trolls.
That's awesome. Thanks for the laugh.
Killer troll move to indicate that the faq is tl;dr
Good luck around here Kid. You share your wisdom.
Try reading my post again. Slower. I don't think you read the FAQ. I did, and I haven't violated it.
You would be better served looking to engage in some friendly back and forth about the bowl game in the comments before making the jump to long posts about M's football program in broad strokes.
We have respected members from OSU, MSU (RIP WatersDemos :/ ) and ND. I'm sure a KSU fan looking to talk about the bowl game matchup would be well received if you know what you're talking about and are a reasonable person.
I looked and did not find anything on the bowl game. I truly did not anticipate the sensitivity and lack of engagement. I spent a bit of time compiling the information.
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/official-michigan-vs-kansas-state-bww-bowl Going to the search bar and typing "KSU" would have been a start. However, I'm sure the "Mack Brown resigns" thread seemed more appropriate.
Whatever happened to Walter?
the posting. i will likely lose points for this but alternate points of view if not posted in a smug or insulting manner should be tolerated without big time negging
No it wasn't.
You lost me when I had to scroll down the page to just to finish reading your post.
narrow margins tho.
If the Big House grows legs like in Ghostbusters, lets hope it attacks Columbus.
For a waterboy to be named later!
Normally trades need to bring value for both sides.
To think that any of B1G coaches are UT worthy its plain foolish, and to think Narduzzi or Dantonio are UT worthy is even more foolish..no one in big ten has proven they are elite coaches not Meyer not Dantonio and his boyfriend Narduzzi..both teams have played easy schedules in mediocre conference..at the end they played each other and the team that wanted the most won...it took Bret Bielema 3 rose bowls trips to be looked by Arkansa who is not close to what Texas is..Texas wants to win soon, they have been down since 2009 and their fans/boosters are getting impatient
Meyer has not proved he is an elite coach? I guess those rings were bought on ebay.
Texas would hire Meyer. I only say that because you appear like you might actually be too stupid to know that.
this would be a good time for a longer post and to make some friends here
Is this Drew Sharp?
Like it or not, I'm pretty sure most people who know anything about college football consider Urban Meyer an elite coach.
Meyer hasn't proven he's elite... This year.
Urban Meyer probably has the best resume of any active college coach nor named Saban.
If he retired the first time he said he would, we'd have been beating down his door with $5 million contract offers post RR
Of all active FBS coaches, Urban Meyer has the highest win percentage (0.842) and the FBS coach closest to him is Bob Stoops (0.803). Other highlights include 2 National Championships and a 7-1 bowl record. If he isn't qualified to coach any school anywhere, then I'm not sure who other than Nick Saban (4 National Championships in the last 10 years) might be. I don't like Urban Meyer for obvious reasons, but saying he isn't elite is just not true.
Whoa! This hadn't occured to me, but what about Stoops to Texas. I wouldn't say he's on the hotseat, but when Oklahoma has struggled in the past I've occassionally heard and read grumblings about him being fired or resigning. Anyone think he has the cajones to jump to Texas? I'd have to think he'd be a great hire for them, having a recruitng network in the area, a proven record of success, and also brings the charm I would expect them to want to display to alums and donors. I also wouldn't consider him prohibitively old, 53 right now, for the job.
...by most of the comments here. Have we really been that traumatized by MSU that we can't stop talking about their coaches?
Texas isn't interested in any B1G coaches, save for possibly Urban, and he's not going anywhere.
Saban is obviously their first choice.
Malzahn is second.
Their third choice may as well be their seventh.
We can drop the whole Dantonio/Narduzzi thing. Either of those hires would be laughable in Texas.
I would not be surprised if they hire Jim Mora or David Shaw from the Pac 12.
Shaw just said he wouldn't even leave Stanford for the NFL right now, so I doubt he'd jump ship for Texas.
Joe Schad disagrees with you.
There are a lot of coaches that would be considered "laughable" in regards to the UT coaching search, discussed on this board. IMO Dantonio isn't one of them.
The speculation about Dantonio is in the national media as well. Taking a look at Texas forums, there are a number of posters that have mentioned him and want him.
Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with hoping one of your rivals loses a coach, or being glad to see a great player of theirs graduate, etc. It is a relatively new reality, however, that we have to concern ourselves with Sparty's fortunes in these matters. Back in the day it didn't concern us as much because we would always be better, regardless.
Who is walking through the door if Brady leaves?
The hell with another coaching change.
Maybe this is finally Kirby Smart's moment to leave Saban's nest.
I'm just not sure he is "Texas Ready" and by that I mean he has no head coaching experience and Texas is likely looking for someone in a head coaching position, likely in a BCS conference.
Historically Texas is a step up. There is more talent in Texas than in the Midwest. Meyer would be able to get even more speed from that state. No school would out bid Texas. Meyer's track record seems to be taking a team that's close to greatness, and pushing it over the top. That was what happened when he took over at Florida. That team was pretty much assembled, he added a few pieces, and put it over the edge. Look at OSU. He came in after Tressel, and essentially maintained the level they had been at. In the end, it is all just guess work until the shoe actually drops.
So...have the Texas blogs fired up the flight trackers yet?
I'm assuming they're going to use private jets, not commercial. Who is their equivalent of Stephen Ross?
You most certainly can track private jets with flight tracker. And I think Joe Jamail is the the big Texas alumni. The football field at their stadium is named after the guy.
Joe Jamail is Mack Brown's attorney, I think it is safe to say he will not be heavily involved in this coaching search. He is pissed and on the outs.
Tom hicks is the fat cat leader, but many other dudes with $
This will certainly be interesting. Texas fans seem to want Mack out, but...be careful what you wish for.
strong chance Urbs goes to Austin. I also thought Saban would go to the NFL to replace Shanahan, but all that seems to be dying out as Saban says he's staying and the Shanahan quiting/getting fired talk has died down. I still think he's leaving for Houston, but don't as sure now.
If that's the case, I'm going over to Bucknuts and 11W almost immediately to see the meltdown. It'll be biblical.
If I were UT I would certainly contact Meyer, but I think there's a greater chance of Meyer retiring than leaving OSU for another school after just two years. He's back in his home state and has everything he needs at OSU to be consistently in the CFB elite.
I've seen all of the "experts" predicting who is most likely to wind up as the coach at Texas, but I honestly think Texas is going after Saban. Regardless of his extension, I think they'll pony up the money to get him to Austin. If that happens, I expect the National Guard will have to be called in to quell the rioting in Tuscaloosa.
I'd really like to see what Coach Rod could do at Texas. Their situation is very similar to the end-of-Carr era.
I imagined a Rod / GERG reunion.
At the risk of throwing a lit match in your room of knee deep kerosene, it would hypothetically reunite him with Gerg.
And if they were successful, look out!
And if they were to be SECcessful, hell..
... you ever get an eyelash stuck under your eyelid that you can't get out, and that constantly irritates your eye because it scratched the cornea a bit?
Well, imagine an eyelash the size of a Buick wrapped in barbed wire and coated in sulphuric acid.
I reckon it would feel like that.
Would make for interesting drama though.
More to the point, it would have been fascnating to see what Rod would have done if he had a firm "hands-off" policy imposed on him against a hand picked DC. The Texas AD, hypothetically speaking, would have more than enough clout to impose such a restriction on Rod and still be an attractive landing spot for him.
If all this Texas stuff had been happening at the end of 2007, I think UT would have gone after RR in a big way, since at that time he was one of the hottest young coaches in the country. His folksy, unpretentious and corny personality would have been a better fit for a southern school than for an upper-midwestern conservative stick-up-the-ass fan base such as Michigan's that liked the fact that Lloyd Carr read Kipling by the fire.
As it is now, I don't think RR has had enough success at AZ to make him attractive to UT.
Yeah, I'd be shocked if Texas gave him a serious look, but I would be curious about what he could do. Before he got here, we all believed that he was a great coach that would really take off at a bigger program with more resources. He failed here, but there were difficult handicaps he couldn't overcome. I wonder what UT would be like. They all hate Mack Brown, so there should be at least a period of unanimous support. And yeah, I think his attitude fits a lot better down south. Just curious is all, I don't think it'll happen.
1. Change nothing.
2. Receive pay raise from existing employers.
He went to the Les Miles school of coaching negotiation.
I don't know about the whole situation in Texas but I think this just illustrates the difference between D1 football now and 30 or 40 years ago.
Bo's teams struggled in the early 80s. Bear Bryant was 8th and 7th in the SEC in 1969 and 1970. Even Woody had dud seasons. I can't think of 1 D1 coach that had 20 straight 9 or 10+ win seasons
Guys like Beamer, Dantonio, and Fitzgerald seem to be getting a shot to build something without threatening jobs every time a team takes a step back from the lofty expectations those coaches helped to make realistic. For the biggest teams in cfb, it seems very different whether it is the AD or the coach looking elsewhere.
I understand the game is different now and with high salaries come high expectations. That said, mean reversion is bound to happen and for a guy that coached a team to 2nd in the conference and shown yoy improvement for the last 4 years to basically be forced out seems like a product of the new era.
I agree with this. I find it making it VERY difficult for me to predict who is going where, which teams will likely be successful, and which coaches deserve to be let go for exactly these reasons.
When Boise State can regularly enter the NC debate, then conventional powerhouses mean less and less. The talent is spread out, and being a big fish in a little pond becomes arguably more attractive than being a mediocre fish in a big pond.
The exceptions, though, are maddening: primarily SEC (especially Bama obviously) based. I think that suggests either (1) systematic cheating or relaxed standards of such a degree as to absurdly disrupt competitive balance; and/or (2) success of a conference as a whole has become a necessary prerequisite for success of any individual team.
Even Urban Meyer, with his impressive win streak, finds himself on the outside looking in as a result of this. His record in the SEC means even after a late loss, he's still on the list. Maybe not number two, but close enough for a possible invite to a playoff. In the B1G... maybe, maybe not.
Texas is like us in that regard. Maybe worse. Big XII I think has less cache than B1G (though with Longhorn Network, Texas has the ability to self-aggrandize more than the Big XII alone... But this only gets you so far - like ND, which got the invite to the NC, but clearly lacked the TALENT and hence recruiting prowess that a competitive division provides). I do not foresee significant improvement with whomever Texas chooses (with satanic exception) for those reasons.
Mack Brown is Texas' Llloyd Carr. I think they'll have similar drama with his stepping down.
The introduction of the expanded playoffs might change ALL of this, but I'll believe it when I see it.
I still think that NOW, unlike the past, the strength of the conference is of comparable importance to the strength of any individual program in terms of recruitment.
The strong get stronger.
In that regard, we should b quicker to raise pitchforks against Delaney than either Brandon or Hoke. And we should be pulling for big B1G success in the bowls.
There is also more parody in cfb than ever before. Bo and woody's teams had at least 105 scholarships. There were also memorial type scholarships set up by boosters which did not count against the athletic dept. this makes winning 10+ games perennially even harder these days.
Just to correct a misconception that has been repeated several times in this thread, there is nothing inherent in a contract "extension" that would prohibit a coach who got such an extension from coaching at UT. Without anything else in it, it usually just makes the move much more expensive and reputionally more difficult for that particular coach and the hiring school.
Now if the extended contract had a non-compete clause in it, that is a different story. I heard (unsubstantiated) that Sumlin's contract may have such a provision. That would make it difficult for him, but even then it not impossible (recall Rich Rod's breach of his contract). I am not sure the others folks mentioned have a similar prohibition (Saban, Art B, etc.).
Going to be interesting. Great town, great school, big money, big perks, huge recruiting base. Not many better jobs than this one in college football.
This is my first post but I am a long time reader of the blog. I live in Austin now and, without giving the person away, I work with one of the former top officials of UT. This is not as cushy of a job as everyone makes it out to be. Forgive the long post but I think some of you might find this interesting.
Recruiting - lots of talent nearby since Austin is right in the middle of the state's population. However, the Texas cache isn't what it used to be. Baylor, A&M and to a lessor extent Tech and TCU are competitive now. Also, one has to constantly "recruit" the high school coaches here more than anywhere else in the country. People still take that old fashioned, good ole boy network stuff seriously down here and everyone is gunning for TX recruits, including the SEC more than ever. It is tough for an outsider to come in and put a fence around the state for the best players like Tressel did in Ohio. Art Briles is so successful because he was a well regarded high school coach here.
Politics - the coach is the figure head for the school and the aforementioned good ole boy mentality requires a lot of time spent kissing babies, making speeches, attending university events and generally kissing up to the boosters. Also, Rick Perry is using his position as Governor to undermine the school and the coach will have to deal with this. The person I work with left because of this. Rick Perry is trying to get his people on elected to the Texas board of regents to undermine the school and make A&M the academic and football power in the state (for brevity's sake, he is a die hard A&M guy). Bill Powers, the president, narrowly survived the first attempted coup Thursday. The coach will have to deal with this background infighting.
History- the belief is Texas is an unstoppable football power which the right guy at the helm. A look back at the history books suggests otherwise. Mack brown is the second best coach they have ever had and he won 1(!) national title and 2(!) conference titles in 16 years. Yet, the expectations are UT should be in the national title picture every year. The narrative isn't supported by reality. Unrelated but speaking of which...
ESPN (unrelated to coaching search but interesting) - the person I work with was intimately involved in negotiating of the Longhorn Network and the school's admission to the PAC 16. Yes PAC 16. Interestingly, Texas was committed to joining a new "PAC 16" with several other Big 12 Schools. There was an agreement in principle to deal with revenue from LHN and a press conference scheduled to announce. ESPN didn't want this because Fox has PAC 12 rights. On the eve of the press conference ESPN showed up with buckets of cash through increased take home on LHN and back door "donations" from Disney, it's corporate parent, to the school to keep the Big 12 together. The rest is history. However, my colleague tells me they made sure to draft all Big 12 agreements with an escape hatch for Texas (low buyouts, etc.).
Thank you for the great information! I hope you continue to post as this develops.
Thanks and don't mention it. I have been a reader of the blog since 2006. I appreciate everyone else's contributions but stay out of the fray. Thought I could actually add to this discussion.
This is why Brown is gone. Reported that Winston tried to contact Brown and Brown did not pursue.
Mack has completely whiffed on QBs lately. Obviously not the only problem with Texas, but it was one of the more glaring ones.
I mean, the guy who became the second redshirt freshman to ever win a Heisman would have gone to Texas in a heartbeat if Texas had just freaking offered him. That's a glaring mistake. Obviously hindsight is 20/20...but wow.
Andrew Luck coming out Texas too. His QB recruiting was awful after he got Colt McCoy, that's why they couldn't compete for championships
The Meyer speculation is complete crap, IMO.
It could be argued the Ohio job, in a vacuum, is at least as good as the Texas job for a coach like Meyer.
Texas has $$$, but Ohio isn't shy about funding it's athletics.
The institutional fervor for winning football is greater than it is at Texas. The Texas attitude is more similar to that of Michigan's...we want to win, but also want to do so while maintaining some level of integrity. Ohio fans, at their core, care far less about that and this SEC-type approach suits Meyer.
You also have the inherent advantage of being the only major conference school in a large and talent rich state. There's far more recruiting competition in Texas.
Add all that to the fact Meyer has emotional ties to Ohio, I see no reason for him to consider it.