Michigan is back and the SEC can suck it.
M ranked "2nd Most Likely" to end SEC's Reign
While the country may not be betting on us September 1st, I have to believe the majority will be rooting for us.
Come on you Wolverines!
flow is reminiscent of Custer's. Coincidence?
...I think not.
Custer was an arrogant, foolish man. Jake Ryan is nothing like Custer
That's why you should have read Old Custer by Eli Cash.
To be clear, this is about which programs can end the SEC's reign in the near future, not just 2012. I think we belong high on this list, but it'll take a few years before the super-elite Hoke classes occupy most of the roster. We could lose a lot of contributing talent after this season (more than usual), though the schedule will be much softer next season. From 2014 or 2015 through the foreseeable future, we should be rolling.
Agreed, considering the team we have now plus the how recruiting is going, I think that spot is about right looking at it over the next couple years.
Actually, Stewart Mandal had something similar earlier this week, it dealt with this year, and it is not pay-walled:
However, he discusses teams possessing a good chance this year. He doesn't really go into the programs, recruits, and future or long term, multiple championship runs. Just those, in his opinion, with the best chance at this year's BCS. He also discusses the SEC dominance, SEC team expectations this year, and then the 5 Best Non-SEC, and 5 runners-up.
It has Texas, Oregon, USC, MSU, and FSU with the 5 Best; and UM, Okla, WVU, Wisc, and Clemson are in the next group that “may reach the big game, but their blueprint suggests they'd suffer the same fate as those before them."
"Michigan: Brady Hoke likely needs another year's recruiting haul before the Wolverines can field an upper-echelon defensive front."
Did Texas find a QB?
I don't see either of those getting it done.
...actually kind of Mandel's point; that the SEC dominance has been built via a rushing attack with game-manager (rather than superstar) quarterback on offense and a strong, disruptive d-line on the other side of the ball.
Schools like Alabama and LSU have had the success without great QBs and Mandel makes the point that it will probably a school using a similar approach that upends the SEC dominance. Of the schools that fit that mold and that he believes have a chance to accomplish such a feat this year, Texas & MSU are considered candidates.
I'm not saying he's right...just trying to clarify his argument.
Well, sure. But "game-manager" is a significant step up from where Ash/McCoy were last year. Plus they are surprisingly thin on the OL. The problem they have isn't matching up with the SEC, it's winning enough games to be in that position (which they won't).
Well, when sparty peaked they ended Georgia's "reign of dominance" so there's that, bama and LSU might be another story, though.
Mandel was trying to do something a little different with this article. He's talking about which teams match up well with SEC powers, not which teams are most likely to unseat them this year. Says he:
The following is not a prediction of which teams have the best chance to reach the national championship game. Some may not be cut out to win their own conference. Rather, it's an attempt to identify which teams, based on their returning personnel, anticipated areas of strength and coaching philosophies, are best suited to face the prototypical SEC representative in a one-game BCS championship matchup.
ESPN's usual SEC fellatio is reaching truly epic proportions this season. The cover of ESPN Magaizine's college football preview edition has a photo of SEC voodoo dolls with pins stuck in them. (Which is why I smiled and laughed when I opened it up and saw the 8-page feature on Tyrann Mathieu, which was in the process of becoming totally irrelevant).
ESPN voodoo works - same day that came out is when SEC DB started falling. We may want to be more careful on our thoughts on ESPN, so they don't turn the voodoo on us
Well to be fair, the SEC has thoroughly dominated college football for the past 6 years. I'd say their fellatio is justified.
I don't think that it's justified, as there is nothing "fair" about it.
Before the oversigning was curtailed, SEC teams would get an extra entire recruiting class every four yours, and ESPN's lovefest never seemed to be too interested in discussing that advantage.
The analogy would be if one NFL Division had a siginificantly higher salary cap than the rest of the divisions, and the media conveniently neglected to mention that as a reason why eventual Super Bowl winner came from that Division every year. Add to the that the rumors that SEC teams are, and have been, out right paying players, and you have a very unbalanced system. The SEC has great players, no doubt. But, they're basically able to stockpile them, and, if the rumors are true, nobody else has a chance to get them to come to their school if they're not going to pay.
The issue also had an interview with Steve Nash and one of the questions was about getting along with Bynum. Timely stuff.
I'd love to take down the SEC's reign. We're like Harry Potter: For neither and live with the other survives.
Had one or ten mimosas on this lovely Friday morning eh?
LOL. I knew I should have gone with an LOTR reference.
And it's a Yoda quote. Methinks the joke is on the person who corrected the original photo.
It's a meme called troll quotes where the incorrect photo/quote/identificatoin is the whole joke.
I saw one with a Samuel L. Jackson quote attributed to Denzel with picture of Morgan Freeman. The first comment under it was "I just love Will Smith."
was thinkin’ the same. just couldn’t read it that it made any sense.
"Neither Can Live While The Other Survives"
Hard to end the SEC reign when they only play themselves.
fellatio and playing with themselves, what has the board come to?
Funny to see the B1G occupy 5 of the 10 spots on the list. I would agree with UM and Ohio, but I'm not sure I see MSU, Wisky, or Neb winning a national title anytime soon. I think USC is probably the only team that can end the streak this year (unless UM beats Alabama) but within 3 years this program will be something to behold.
Oregon is ranked #5 and played Auburn tough in the MNC game 2 years ago, so they are another team that could do it. But I live in Seattle and have about as high an opinion of Oregon fans as, say, Wisconsin fans, so I hope Oregon goes 3-9.
Things will be much different for the SEC in a couple years when the playoff system starts. I also think it's likely that we could see the NCAA consider some form of stipend for players in the not so distant future, which will further level the playing field. Since, ya know, there are rumors that maybe some SEC schools are compensating players already. As far as individual schools go USC is obvious and Michigan should be a top 5 favorite to make the MNC game next year with how easy their schedule looks and the further development of players on both sides in the respective coaching schemes. we'll lose some pieces but we also have some serious talent that's come in recently to fill the holes.
I've heard those rumors too.
However, where stipend = A and an envelope stuffed with cash = B,
A+B is still greater than A.
Just because there would be stipends doesn't mean boosters will turn off the SEC cash faucet.
They'll still hold the advantage for kids who seek that.
"Michigan should be a top 5 favorite to make the MNC game next year with how easy their schedule looks and the further development of players on both sides in the respective coaching schemes."
Is this assuming Gardner goes back to QB next year?? This may be 'common knowledge', but I am very confused as to whether he plays WR this year and sticks at WR or if he is just a WR this year, and back to QB next year... I'd love to see Shane Morris redshirt (which is the plan, right?) and be eligible for 3-4 years instead of only 2-3 years... I feel like that class, when it matures, is going to be battling USC, and Alabama in the playoff systems come 2014/2015
... I'd love to see Shane Morris redshirt (which is the plan, right?)
I don't care who the HC is. Michigan is going to play the best players it needs to win games. Now, this year, this week. I remember when Rick Leach started; it was a shock, because I had thought that Mark Elzinga was a pretty good operator of Bo Schembechler's modified-wing offense. Nobody (except Bo?) knew then how good Leach would be.
If Shane Morris is at least the second-best QB on Michigan's 2013 team (I am never going to get used to Team Numbers), I expect that he will be playing.
This is not a 401(k) plan. We aren't investing. We are trying to win games. It is ridiculously early to speculate about such things; and since the one thing that we really do know about Shane Morris is that he will not be an early enrollee at Michigan, there is additional doubt about his first year. But I expect that Shane Morris will play as a freshman, and that he might end up as a 2013 starter at some point. Russell Bellomy might have more to do with that outcome, more than Devin Gardner or Shane.
I base this off of what I've heard from Borges and the fact that it's in Gardner's best interest regarding his pro prospects to make the move to WR. I get the impression that Borges is pleased with the progress that Bellomy has made, and while he isn't the greatest athlete necessarily, he should be capable of running the offense well especially if we have emerging talent at WR. With a pro style qb our offense should be very well balanced and the defense will still be solid.
Between Borges and Hoke, I get mixed reviews... I feel like Borges is on the Pro-Bellomy campaign and Hoke is on the Pro-Devin campaign... who knows but them in all reality... I guess we'll wait and see, but I always thought Devin was a great QB, and hope he's a good to Great WR....
Swapping Okalhoma with FSU into the "top 5" makes more sense to me.
A wether is a castrated ram. A wether is very docile and will go wherever the flock goes. You put a bell on a wether and then wherever you hear the bell you know the flock is there because the bellwether is sure to be with them.
On a side note, castrating rams is also where we get the term testify. Before speaking in court you would have to sacrifice to the gods on behalf of the truth instead of putting your hand on the bible. The testicles were proof of your sacrifice.
...now people are just shitting me?
Contrast that with the "bell cow", which serves a similar function in locating the herd but is actually the leader, followed by the others.
the sec isnt going anywhere, at best um and maybe osu can hope to get to the level of the sec, on occasion. just too much high school talent in the south.
So you have been a fan of college football for about 3, maybe 4 years right?
This. Not 10 years ago, an SEC team went undefeated and didn't make the national championship game. In the first 8 years of the BCS, an SEC team played in the BCS championship game twice, and 2003 LSU was #3 in both polls yet somehow made it in.
So this whole SEC domination thing is a pretty recent phenomenon. Before the BCS, the teams winning championships were Michigan, OSU, Miami, FSU, Nebraska, etc. In the 90s, the SEC won 3 national titles, in the 80s they won one. So although they've had a great run, no doubt, this is a very new thing for them.
Its especially true when you consider Alabama was a non factor when this whole SEC reign started. Then you look at Auburn who had a Juco transfer and had one good year, they were pretty mediocre last season. Florida, who won 2 national championships are meh now. The only team that has been consistent through this SEC "dominance" has been LSU.
Edit: This is meant to say that the reign can't last because new good teams are not going to keep popping up.
The last time Ohio state won a National Championship before the BCS era was 1968. Weird that you grouped them in there with Miami, FSU and Nebraska.
Yeah, you're right. I was just thinking of teams in the top-10ish for most of that decade. They had at least three seasons I can think of with only one loss in the 90s.
too much hs talent getting by for the clearinghouse, and then stacked up by oversigning and with bag money
How is the SEC not going anywhere? The B1G is finally getting consistant quality out of teams not named ohia or Michigan (Wisconsin, Nebraska(???), and MSU) that helps with ranking our conference (all Top 25 teams)... I feel the playoff system + Realignment are going to add more balance to the college football world... we may never see another Conference Championship/MNC in the same game again...
Obligatory reminder: Michigan is 20-7-1 all-time versus the SEC (6-2 in the last 8 games). Recent victories have come against Florida (twice), Auburn, Alabama, and Arkansas. Each of those programs has recently won or played for an SEC championship, and three of them have recently won national championships.
This was the first thought that went through my head when the predictions came out. If only the rest of the Big Ten could match that stat. I give us more than a fighting chance with Denard.. 24 -21 M. Book it.
I'm sure Hoke is taking pages out of Carr's book- figuratively. I mean it's been said over and over on this board, UM vs Florida, basically a home game for a team that thought they were good enough to be a national championship team, favored by more than 3 scores and we nearly beat them by 3 scores [if Hart doesn't fumble in the redzone (goal line) twice!]
that dang Mike Hart guy!
reign is spelled correctly.
If Southern Cal is poised to be a team of national dominance in the next few years, then the NCAA didn't whack them hard enough.
And Oregon will get slapped hard by the NCAA and further help USC become the best PAC team
How a team battles through punishment should not be what determines whether or not the punishment was strong enough. All it means is that USC is good enough to weather the appropriate punishment.
If a team Michigan is playing gets a personal foul on an offensive drive, and then ends up scoring, would you say "it looks like the refs didn't punish them enough for that personal foul."? If I get docked 5% of my class grade for missing too many classes, but I get an A anyway, does that mean the teacher should have punished me more?
Look, USC had a very good team last year, and they didn't get a chance to play for a conference or national title because of the sanctions. These next few years, their depth will be a lot less than it would have been because of the sanctions. If they're still able to field a contender despite all of that, good for them.
How a team manages their punishment has no bearing on it's merit. This is not to say that I think the NCAA has been fair with their punishments.
That's fair, as long as you felt that way when it was doled out. But for someone's opinion on the punishment to change based on on-field performance, is silly.