LTT responds to Touch The Banner's evaluation
I'm blaming Magnus.
as will all of us
Magnus will have to post a ton of pics of fabulous babes to make up for that...
If he decommits because of what I said, then he's bound for failure. Great athletes don't have thin skin.
there there Vernon Gholston.
You mean Vernon Davis?
swing and a miss
A BEAST at TE and he plays his heart out.
All due respect, that simply isn't true. Many great athletes are some of the most insecure people on earth. They need constant reassurance which is why they surround themselves with yes men. The top ones aren't used to criticism because they're surrounded by people telling them how great they are.
Being sensitive to criticism doesn't mean anyone is destined for failure, especially at age 16. That comment is over the top.
I'm not talking about as 16-year-olds. I'm talking about as he goes through college and perhaps to the NFL. These kids take criticism every day - from coaches, teachers, camp counselors, etc. If they can't take criticism, they don't get better.
so...you take it upon yourself to guage whether or not they will be great players? Which one is the 16 year old?
Although I agree with your point to the extent that this obviously affects players more than we realize, how can you criticize Magnus for guaging players? We are only mad because a player that we covet in our class is offended that Magnus did not have a positive review of his talents. I hope you do not visit Rivals, Scout, 247, or ESPN either as this is obviously a practice you are opposed to.
I agree with everything you said, but as fans, we shouldn't be critical of these kids (who are just coming off of thier junior year and obviously far from perfect) just to prove that we have football evaluation skills. Why is it pertenant to look at a kid and say that he won't do this or perform at this certain level, especially after we have watched JK start three years as a walk-on. Its a crap shoot, especially with the O-line. As fans, we should be nothing but supportive and welcoming to these kids, especially since they are giving up other options to be here.
Then I'm sure you're fine with the people critisizing you, NOT as a person, but as a influential blogger that's representing Michigan, right? You seem to be fine with 'smartass' responses to 16yo athlets on twitter, cracking jokes at Asians, etc. Some more class and professionalism out of a blogger of a prominent Michigan site would be great. As you said, If they can't take criticism, they don't get better.
By the way, I thought the TTB article on LTT was pretty good.
People can criticize my comments as much as they want. It doesn't mean they're correct with their assessments, just like I'm not 100% certain that Logan Tuley-Tillman won't start his first game as a true freshman next year.
You better have a 2nd pair of skin...because the current flesh will belong to Coach Hoke.
lol grow up dude.
...for being unrepentant. Winners don't apologize.
But since you spend a good bit of the thread striking back at those who criticized you, it seems a bit disingenuous. "Great bloggers DO have thin skin"?
By responding so many times, Magnus has done the exact same thing as LTT. Magnus criticizes LTT for not being able to ignore the criticism, yet he can't ignore the criticism. I wonder what he used to do when his glee club got a negative review?
Keep things in context.
I said that if Tuley-Tillman decommits because of what I said, then he's too thin-skinned. I absolutely, 100% don't expect him to decommit because of what I said. That would be drastic.
People are criticizing me here, and I'm not doing anything drastic. People have a right to their opinions, including Tuley-Tillman. That doesn't mean they're correct.
But it still comes off as insinuating he's being a pussy about it. The problem wasn't the negativity of the post (which has been a bit overblown), but the reaction to a kid acting all offended. Much like Dantonio-Hart, you may take offense at what the kid says, but as an adult it's better not to strike back on that level. If he tweets it, and you don't respond, it's a short thread, and not a big deal. Tweet snark with a teenager and it's a losing battle.
Ever heard of Michael Jordan? Thinnest skin on the planet.
If I was him I would be more worried about what a professional scout has to say.
I think he's gonna have a really hard time changing Magnus' opinion. Let's take JT Floyd for example... He's improved remarkably from last year but Magnus thinks Frank Clark is better than him wut? No, he thinks everyone else on the defense is better than my boy Floyd.
In all seriousness, though, I'm very thankful to have people like Magnus give their opinion on Michigan football, because it's great to see different viewpoints.
LOL. If you remember, I wasn't that high on Clark coming out of high school. Now that he finished his freshman year, I think he should/will start next season. Why? Because he actually played well. I'll change my position on players if they show it on the field.
I'll change my mind on Floyd if he turns into a quality cornerback. So far I haven't seen it.
Magnus > Hoke/Saban.
Just ask him, I'm sure he would tell you.
Do you know that Hoke and Saban disagree with Magnus? Magnus said that LTT is a bit of a project, on a team that's not very good and maybe doesn't have great OL coaching (like most HS teams). He also said that the sky is the limit with LTT and that he could be an elite left tackle. Since we took Magnuson in the last class (along with Braden), it's likely that LTT has the luxury of taking a few years to get to the level he needs to be. It's very possible Hoke, Saban, and every other coach that offered LTT feels the exact same way, and are confident his upside warrants the offer.
Not every accurate scouting reports reads: This prospect is awesome and has no flaws.
Magnus>Hoke/Saban? Obviously. Look at his point total fergodsakes.
I obviously know more about football than I thought I did. Wonder if the Patriots are looking for someone to help get Brady back over the hump....
Magnus is great but he is also the biggest pessimist (realist) in the mgo-blogosphere.
Truth is, recruiting is impossible to judge. As I recall, the biggest knock TTB had was that LTT wasn't coached as well as he could have been. That's fixable.
All our players are going to face lots of adversity. The ones who rise to the challenge and stay around will be champions. As for me, I couldn't be happier that he committed, and I very much look forward to LTT proving Magnus and any other doubters wrong. But he has to prove it every day--on the field, in the weight room, in class, and looking in the mirror in the morning. He has to prove it--not to Magnus, but to himself and his team. The rest of us, we're just hangers on who really don't matter.
I would disagree that fans don't matter. Agreed he won't become a better football player because of us but if the Big House weren't filled and the away games not watched and blogs like this not enthusiastically followed where would the program be?
We are a part of the experience and are important just in very different ways.
Everyone matters, but in different contexts. I was speaking about the people to whom LTT has to prove himself. He should be most concerned in being true to himself. He should work hard and act nobly in order to satisfy his own drive and be able to take pride in who he is. Second, he will be a member of a team and owes a duty of effort and care for the team and its coaches. As far as Magnus and others on this site, we'll be rooting for him. If he does right by himself and his team, we'll have no complaints.
I think Magnus is great. Every Tom, Dick and Harry is covering recruiting these days, but interesting and qualified opinions on a prospect are much more rare. We all know a lot of these kids won't pan out. Magnus has the balls to try to predict which ones.
Hopefully kids can find better things to motivate them than some random dudes on the internet.
Basically it says that his technique needs to be worked on but that athletically the sky is the limit. I don't see anything wrong with that.
I think it might have something to do with tone - Magnus doesn't pull any punches and he doesn't hesitate to say exactly what he thinks.
To people who don't know him very well (myself included), I can see how he could come off as a bit of a dick. To people who do, however...he can come off as a bit of a dick.
I think Magnus is the best blogger left on this site, but that evaluation was over-the-top. Even his compliments of LTT were completely backhanded. It felt like Magnus discovered LTT was plowing his girlfriend 15 minutes before writing that.
this is apparently what is going to happen as fans become 'recruiting gurus' and recruits become integrated more to the recruiting process from both the recruit and fans side of things. Free information is great, but don't piss off our recruits.
Magnus doesn't consider himself a 'recruiting guru'. He is just giving analysis based on his experience as a coach.
But don't piss off our recruits. We're still courting them, after all.
I'm sorry. I'll send him a dozen roses to apologize. How dare I say anything mildly negative about a recruit! I should only give compliments because it's 100% certain that EVERY MICHIGAN RECRUIT WILL BE AWESOME!!!!!!!
I don't mean to add onto an attack.
This is probably a no harm, no foul.
You do a great job. It is unfortunate that the tone of the post was that he's overrated and that he saw it, but I think we're all over-reacting.
Keep up the good work.
Yet, if you're so inclined, I'd go with sunflowers, more of a sign of friendship.
I thought his review was reasonable, but I am also glad that LTT disagrees with it. It shows that LTT cares enough to take exception. There probably aren't five posters here with his level of knowledge when it comes to football, though, and he certainly has the right to his opinion.
All you can really demand out of someone on a blog is to know what they are writing about, be honest, and have integrity. I really don't see where any of those didn't happen here. I thought it was well-conceived, and the overall tone was that he has the potential to develop well with good coaching.
I don't know that I'm "glad" LTT disagrees with it, but I'm certainly glad he has the competitive spirit to try to prove me (and anyone who doubts him) wrong. As I said in my Tweet back to him, I'm a Michigan fan and I certainly hope he proves me wrong - that means success for my favorite team.
That being said, "proving me wrong" basically means he'll be a first day starter - because I said it would take him a couple years to learn technique and then the sky's the limit. So unless he starts and performs well at Michigan as a freshman or sophomore, then he'll basically be right where I predicted. And since it normally takes linemen two or three years of college to play in the first place, then the odds are that he won't prove me wrong.
Nooooooooooo. I'm not courting shit. If you're courting shit you're probably committing a violation so fucking stop if you are. Magnus is a blogger. He also is not courting recruits. He is writing to an audience of Michigan fans who value his honest opinions. He doesn't owe LTT or his audience anything besides his honest view.
fanbase support into their decisions. That's all I meant. But everything aside, I'm sure this situation is fine.
First of all, I like my O-linemen to be pissed off. That's the best kind.
Secondly, I highly doubt any recruit is going to question his commitment to a school because some fan they don't know writes something negative about him on his blog. If he does, then that kid likely doesn't have the mental or emotional capacity to play major college football.
I'm sure LTT isn't that kind of kid. He'll either use it as motivation or ignore it, outside of one reply tweet.
"I like my O-linemen to be pissed off".
Apparently LTT's attitude about blocking: "nasty" (according to Magnus) also translates to other elements of his life... online analysts.
Magnus just tries to be objective. Maybe he is too critical at times, but if these kids want to really take their game to another level they have to be ready for criticism. Remember the story about Mattison tearing Roh a new one due to poor technique (not entirely his fault due to previous shortcomings on defensive staff). NFL scouts' jobs are on the line so they will not hesitate to be brutal. LTT is a great football player now and has a good chance to be great at this level and possibly the next. Best thing for him to do is consider the criticisms and actively work to improve. Nothing better than proving people wrong.
(Disclaimer just in case LTT reads this blog also): I think you are awesome and really talented and way better at football then me. We are really excited to have you and hope you will enjoy your next 4-5 years at Michigan.
I respect Magnus, and I respect that he has a foundation for his opinions, but it's also important to keep things in perspective. Magnus knows football, but he also thought Cox was our best option at RB. That suggests there are limits to his expertise. When coaches pursue a kid the way they pursued LTT, I'll take it on faith they know something Magnus does.
No offense meant to Magnus, by the by. I check TTB every day.
Speaking of perspective, I thought Cox deserved a shot at running back because nobody else was doing jack squat. Vincent Smith could hardly break a single tackle and was averaging 4.4 yards a carry, which was something like 14th in the conference...and he was our primary ballcarrier. When your starter is worse than just about everyone else in your conference (except for Purdue's starter at the time), then yeah, I think the unused backup deserves a try.
you could've went a little lighter on your analysis man haha. Truly if it gives him motivation I'm all for it. Plus you have to have thick skin and don't always argue with the critisizm and actually take it and work on what is said that your weak points are. I tend to agree that he plays with mostly his upper body and his footwork will need improving.
I didn't agree with it either. Saying that it looked like he hadn't had a day of proper O-line training (however it was worded) was harsh and not very professional. It's possible to give a negative evaluation without it sounding like a complete insult. When you write things like that you get these types of responses.
If it help any LTT, Magnus also thinks Mike Cox is the best RB ever and Denard Robinson can't play QB well. Magnus saying you are "not that good" is actually a compliment by his standards
You mean the guy who threw 15 picks this year, completed 55% of his passes, and is being projected to the NFL as a wide receiver? If you're talking about "great quarterback" as in running for lots of yards and winning games partially because of a greatly improved defense, then sure, he's a good quarterback.
But yeah...take a look at those numbers. He's not that great. He is a great runner, though.
See what I mean LTT.
You'd have a point about his stats if winning football games was based on specific positions racking up specific stats, but it's not. Is a yard run by a QB less than a yard run by a RB?
And the playoffs never existed.
Well, Tebow is considered by many to be one of the better college quarterbacks in history because of the complete skillset he brought to the game at the college level. Maybe that skillset doesn't translate to the NFL but it doesn't change how effective the skillset is in the college game. So, yes, I consider Denard a great college QB precisely because his running ability negates the harmful impact of his interceptions and his lower his completion percentage. If he was only a thrower, I'd agree he is not great. But his total output using all of his skills makes him a great college QB.
But after the way he beat Pittsburg in the playoffs, everybody admitted he had arrived (or at least could do it) as an NFL quarterback. He put on a dazzling display of throwing under pressure.
When I really think about it, I can't name a college QB who was better than Tebow, especially for a career. VY had one great season and another good one. Matt Leinart was good, so was Sam Bradford and a handful of other guys. But in my lifetime of watching college football (roughly since 1990), I can't think of a better college QB than Tim Tebow.
I'm surprised the media didn't pick up on that.
I think Kellen Moore was a better college quarterback than Tim Tebow. Will be interesting to see what he does in the pros, but man that guy was always clutch in every game I saw him play. I know he didn't play the same talent level as Tebow every week, but when he did play against a BCS team, he usually torched them as well.
I'd say Steve Walsh at Miami (just based on the sheer winning) or mid 80's Testaverde over Tebow.
Tim Tebow has put up 500 yard games in the NFL? Or did you just go off on your own little tangent there?
He only got the job because he's a Michigan Man not because he was the best. Is that what Michigan is all about? You do the best, you get the job. This MM meme is crap.
Who is the "he" in your signature? Hoke?
That doesn't even make sense. There are plenty of QBs with more total yards and more wins than Tim Tebow.
running qb's dont count..below average passer but the greatest rushing qb in the history of the game.."not that great" The guy has almost 2900 rushing yards in 2 seasons and 30 rusing td's to go with his 4700 yards passing and 38 passing td's. No as a passer he's not that great but overall as a qb hes fucking amazing. His numbers woud look even better if Borges had knew how to use him from the beginning of the year.
Wish LTT could see this so he would know that as knowledgeable as you might be..sometimes you have some really dumb opinions.
Can any of us actually argue that Denard is a great QB? Unless he's playing Notre Dame, I think all of us would be worried about the game being in his hands going down to the wire. He's an incredible athlete, and a better person, but thus far he has done nothing to prove he is a truly elite quarterback. I love all the Michigan publicity that comes with him, but it's not like calling him an average QB is a ridiculous claim.
This is the problem with recruiting information being so available. Whatever, sure there are benefits too.
but isnt TTB one of our blogs? And by ours I mean a University of Michigan fans site. And by reading I am assuming Magnus write this TTB blog? Well I have always liked Magnus and his recruiting updates.
Yes, TTB is a Michigan/recruiting oriented blog run by Magnus. You'll see Brian link to it fairly often, and it has a place in the left sidebar with other M links (Michigan Blogs).
I just didnt want to offend anyone by making a guess so I figured someone would set me straight.
No worries. Truthfully, that's what I like about this place; when you don't know something, somebody else does, and will usually share without being a dick.
I hope Brian never criticizes him in a UFR.
Kids need to realize that if you're playing major college sports, random people will criticize you from time to time. You can't go crazy on twitter every time it happens.
I agree with you. However, the ones going crazy are the commenters in this thread. All LTT did was give a little jab back, saying I'll prove you wrong on the field.
He's 16 and not a senior in high school yet.
Between me and you LTT i didnt agree either...Magnus sees the same film i and most others see which is only a small example ... everybody has their opinion..Work hard in the classroom and on the field and you will be just fine..good luck kid and Go Blue
This is a funny thread. If you actually read my post, you'll see that I said Tuley-Tillman could be very good down the road. He just has a lot of technical things to work on. If you look at Kyle Kalis and then look at Tuley-Tillman, they're miles apart.
I'm fine with it if Tuley-Tillman disagrees with me. Or if other readers or scouts do. The truth is, I hope he turns into a 1st round pick and obliterates the Big Ten for three or four years. But that's just not possible for every recruit.
Anywhere, here's the original post if you want to read it:
I know people don't like to read the harsh comments but there is no need to sugar coat it. Just because they are committed to Michigan, doesn't mean they are college ready right now. A lot of these kids are projects and very few are college ready when they step on campus.
You could have been a little less of a smart ass in your twitter response to him.
My response to his comment said "I see you missed the part where I said 'the sky is the limit.' But that's ok. I'm a Blue fan so I hope you're great. #GoBlue."
Of course, he will, so he was mostly right. (note - he also compared him to that Jake Long fellow, so it was not really meant as a negative,)
Year - 2015
They go to the line. One of the 4 tight ends goes in motion - passing LTT he yells out an audible. The NFL bound DE looks to the sideline, a sad puppy look on his face. LTT runs over the top of the DE and takes out two LBs for good measure. As they help the players off the field, the commentators pass off to the sideline reporter who says she thought she heard the TE call "Magnus" as he passed LTT. She was looking for Mattison for clarification.
RollDamnTide is actually a spy and trying to get LTT to commit to Bama
Normally when you give a negitive, you cap it off with a positive. If his foot work sucks, the positive is its something that can be easily improved which will make him a better tackle in the future.
How's this for a positive?
Tuley-Tillman could be a very good blindside tackle in a few years. If he takes to the coaching at Michigan and learns footwork and technique, the sky is the limit. He's got skinny legs and a big butt, which makes him a prime candidate to carry added weight in his butt and upper body and turn into a 315 lb., mobile tackle. He also displays a nasty attitude about blocking that will serve him well when he figures out how to put it all together.
You ALSO said
Logan Tuley-Tillman is not very good right now. He has size, athleticism, and potential galore. But every offensive line recruit Michigan picked up this weekend has better technique than him. Tuley-Tillman played for a 3-6 Manual team that emphasizes the run, and even his footwork in the running game is questionable. It looks like Tuley-Tillman has never had a day of quality offensive line coaching.
When he run blocks, he stands up too high. He picks his foot up and puts it right back down where it was. He crosses his feet at times. He keeps a narrow base. When he pass blocks, he doesn't give ground, which opens things up for speed rushes. And you can see during his Core 6 videos (here and here) that he doesn't know how to cancel the inside rush if those speed rushers try to make an inside move. He is a huge project at this time.
If I told my wife, "you look like shit today, but the dinner you made was pretty good," guess which part she would notice?
Lucky for us LTT isn't a woman.
Magnus isn't exactly LTT's husband. He is writing to an audience of fans even if LTT happened to read it. Yes it makes sense LTT would be upset, but Magnus wasn't writing for his benefit firstly, and secondly Magnus was plenty generous in blaming his technical faults on coaching alone.
The difference is that I'm not trying to make Logan Tuley-Tillman happy or make him fall in love with me.
Also, there are other differences.
Did you read the post? Magnus had a paragraph about his weaknesses, and another about his strengths. In fact, the section about his strengths was far more positive than the part about his weaknesses, at least in my opinion.
And why does he need to follow up his negatives with a positive? Are we in second grade?
He just can't do the worm. I'm sorry.
How about the fact that he hasn't even played his SR year in HS yet? It can be tough for guys that size and gifted athletically to overcome bad habits because they can get away without it. LTT will be fine, he has awesome physical gifts, a great work ethic, and a good head on his shoulders. He will more than likely redshirt like most freshman OL and will end up a mainstay on our OL. I'm not even worried about him.
failed to register with you? Comprehension is a wonderful thing. I hope LTT is fueled by this - in fact, I'd be tickled if he dedicates his first start to Magnus.
I love this. LTT showing his competetive side. C'mon, we are all sensitive about our abilities and no one likes As much I like TTB, I respectfully disagree with much of Magnus' player analysis and to a certain extent find 65% of it highly "debbie-downerish" and just flat out dour. His dislike of JT Floyd (who has turned himself from a liability into a consistent and reliable corner) and liking of Avery over Floyd comes to mind. So I can't say I blame LTT for callin' it out. I honestly do not know what Mags is thinking sometimes in his analysis. HOWEVA, relax folks...TTB's analysis is not going to steer LTT away from the "global degree" at the Mich. I may get hated on for saying this but I personally know of many Michigan fans who feel the same way about this but do not have the fortitude to speak or write it. Good for LTT. Sorry so long...oh, and Roll Damn Time it is nice to have you on here...you got my vote for coolest new guy.
You mean JT Floyd, who got torched against Ohio State and Nebraska and who was literally running away from blocks in the Sugar Bowl? Yeah...you're right. I'm not sold on him. As a redshirt junior, those things shouldn't be happening.
He's Morgan Trent 2.0 to me.
Ugh, I think USC just threw another TD to the guy Trent is covering. #rosebowlflashbacks
You are a rather negative dude. Floyd also helped seal the win against Illinois and was a huge difference from 2 years ago defense to last years defense.
He did play well against Illinois, and I acknowledged that on my blog. That doesn't mean he's a great corner. Everyone points to the Illinois game when talking about Floyd, and then I point out Nebraska, Ohio State, AND Virginia Tech...and then people are like "But the Illinois game!!!!!!"
who played really well covering our opponent's #1 receiver the entire year. Nobody said hes Charles Woodson...most people are able to give credit where it is due...and Floyd deserves credit for going from pretty dam bad to an average B1G corner in 1 year. Yes he did have 2 bad games to end the year but that doesnt erase what he did on the season as a whole. Blake Countess was just as bad on both those games btw.
He wasn't as bad as you think in 2010, and he wasn't as good as you think in 2011. That's the thing. People think he was atrocious during the 2010 season, when actually he was the same guy but with a crappy coordinator who couldn't get pressure on the QB and a crappy cornerbacks coach who made him sit 10 yards off the line of scrimmage.
You do realize that the actual coaches of the Michigan Football team LOVE JT Floyd, right? Maybe you should go back to writing about Doritos or Little Debbie snacks.
I'm glad RollDamnTide rushed to the board to tattle on Magnus.
How did we ever keep Magnus in check before RDT came along?
Yah, let's shoot the messenger.
You guys have to remember where he comes from. He has a chip on his shoulder. He is big, talented, and raw. So Magnus basically is saying he needs technique and fundamental work due to his coaching or lack of it. He's going to get superior coaching in all areas. I have no problem with LTT's reaction and can't wait for him to prove his doubters wrong.
It is important to remember that the youth football development system in his hometown is terrible and that his coaches are working with players that come from families with bigger concerns than football. I was on the Manual football coaching staff, and I know his coaches. They understand and can teach the game. But I agree with Magnus, though, LTT isn't yet ready to be a M-level starter. This is mostly for reasons beyond his control. Kids from his neighborhood have been told "they can't" for their entire lives. Some lose hope, and others respond with a giant "fuck you, hater."
I don't understand why this is an issue at all. Is Magnus supposed to become some sort of fanboy where he writes up "omgz this guy is gonna win the Heisman" just because a guy committed to Michigan? Magnus looks at the film, and does an honest, objective evaluation of the player. If LTT doesn't like his evaluation, then great, let him use it as motivation. That's great. But for us to crucify Magnus for simply doing a great job of OBJECTIVELY evaluating talent, is absolutely bullshit. Keep up the good work Magnus, you have my support for sure. And LTT, if you read this, we couldn't be more excited for you to be a Michigan man.
It's cool for Magnus to rip on players, but we should refrain from criticizing Magnus. Gotcha
Well, if you disagree with something Magnus writes and respond by criticizing Magnus, then you are making a logically-fallacious ad hominem argument. The better response is to point out the flaws in Magnus' position.
Does he have to be an "fanboy " and write a fluff piece? No, not at all. (OL do not win Heisman btw), but c'mon the kid is 16 and is a great prospect (one of the best in the nation), yet the article is just...nitpicky.. Whether intended or not, the tone of the read comes across as...well...presumptuous and a little bit malevolent. I know it is just a projection, nevertheless, at least convey that you are happy for the kid that he chose Michigan and that it is a good get for us which it is esp because the kid seems to love Michigan and is passionate about playing for us. What I have always liked about TTB is that he isn't homerish and is objective and I believe to be very informative. I used to somewhat agree with his analysis of JT Floyd. Howeva, JT has gotten much better and still, will in no way admit it. Then there is the Cox thing, Now this. I am sure TTB meant no ill and is just calling it as per see it, but when you get down to it the projection is just not very graceful with it's wording/phrasing.
I don't mind someone giving their opinion on a recruit and identifying their strenghts and weakness. But some of Magnus statements are totally unnecessary in an evaluation process-For example Magnus says: " He could be a first round pick in 2018, or he could get frustrated and leave Michigan early." Seriously, do you know this young man well enough to say that he may get frustrated and leave? Just stick to the physical evaluation which is typically good and stay away from being a mind reader. Keeping It Real Up in this Piece! Thats how I roll!
The part about "leaving Michigan early" was out of line as purely baseless speculation. The film evaluations are fine, albeit overly negative.
Your baseless speculation is my mind reading. Don't split my hairs and I won't split yours.
LOL. So the "first round pick" thing was base-ful speculation? The positive things are good feedback, but the negative possibilities aren't?
The point is that some really raw kids get frustrated with their lack of development and stop playing football, transfer to a smaller school, etc. This has happened numerous times throughout the years. Some people 'round these parts call this "high ceiling, low floor" or "high risk, high reward."
I personally look forward to reading Magnus' evaluations. Too often we get a review from someone wearing Rose (Bowl) colored glasses. Magnus has a keen eye for weaknesses. That said, I do hope in the future that TTB keeps in mind that the commits are reading these reviews. Some of the points could have been written in a friendlier manner. I'm not saying to sugar coat it, but lines like "It looks like Tuley-Tillman has never had a day of quality offensive line coaching" are just not necessary.
In a few years when LTT is all Big 10, we can sit back and laugh about this thread.
There's a difference between potential and achievement. Like all incoming freshman, He's got no college level achievement yet and HS football is a tricky business to judge because of the varying competition levels. He does have a load of potential. And that's what offers are based on. But being big doesn't necessarily mean he'll be successful, although it really helps for that position. He still has to show up, learn the system, improve technique, etc. etc.
So while I might disagree with Magnus's evaluation, LTT's tweet only cited things under the 'potential' column. I'd be more convinced if he had a highlight tape showing that he already knows proper stance, proper reads, what to do against different D-Lineman moves, a demonstration of judo like hand technique would be nice. If he can demonstrate all that and has the weight room measurables to go with his size, that would be a slam dunk case.
As far as personality and taking criticism. It only matters if he can take it coming from a coach. But I liked his response. If 'proving the doubters wrong' translates to working harder in the offseason, that's good.
Would you have been in favor of Hoke holding off offering LTT because he didn't meet your "slam dunk" criteria? Offering a bunch of critical, questionable, technical jargon of a 16 year old with worlds of potential is a bit of a ruse, when you know as well as I do, that every coach in the country would love to have this kid committed to their school.
Have I ever said that I wish Michigan wouldn't have offered him? Here's an excerpt from my comments in his commitment thread:
With the solid players in the class ahead, Michigan can take a couple chances here in the 2013 class. I would have been less impressed with someone like Tuley-Tillman in the 2012 class, because Michigan needs guys who can play relatively early. I think all of the 2012 offensive line commits are more ready to play from Day 1, and they'll have a chance to get on the field within a year or two. But the coaches can take some time to develop a couple of these 2013 kids without having to plop them on the field as wide-eyed freshmen (or redshirt freshmen).
In other words, since Tuley-Tillman probably won't have to play immediately, then that gives him time to develop the technique that he doesn't have. So he'll have a cushion of a couple years to get better. You need a mix of "sure things" and "athletic projects." Tuley-Tillman fits in the latter category. Not once have I questioned Michigan's decision to offer him early.
Magnus you are responding as if I had responded to you. Actually if you notice, I was responding to BlueSeoul.
But since you took the time, I must retort.
I think you are guilty of poor writing. You agree with Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame and many other elite programs that LTT deserves to be considered one of the elite HS junior OL in the land and you WOULD have offered him. The sentiment that you are in concurrence with Hoke offering LTT does not shine through in your analysis.
Under what you called "the bad stuff", you said,
He is a huge project at this time.
And under the "good stuff", you found time for this positive little gem
he could get frustrated and leave Michigan early.
And under the "bad stuff" I wrote this:
He has size, athleticism, and potential galore.
The point was that there are both good and bad things, which is why I devoted significant space to his talents and his weaknesses.
I know, alls I'm saying is your analysis can be easily misconstrued,and your overall agreement of early offering LTT doesn't come across clearly.
My analysis is easily misconstrued by people who latch onto little snippets without looking at the whole picture. Ultimately, I can't help it if people ignore parts of my writing. It will all shake out in the end.
I have always appreciated your work and have never understood when the minority criticize you. So, was the analysis meant to be mostly positive, with some negative caveats? Though- and I'll be honest, I respect your opinions far above my own- from the whole of the piece, I interpreted an emphasis on the negatives despite possible positive caveats.
I did see the many positives in your write up, for you gave many compliments about potential that you don't give often. Perhaps we've all under-valued the worth you place on some of those statements. Others might use "the sky is the limit" as fluff, while dogging a player's technique, when to you, that statement has real weight. Overall, I doubt many people question your analysis, though they may wonder why some comments read vehement.
Thanks for your hard work studying and informing the fanbase.
The analysis is meant to say that he has a ton of potential but he's not there yet. Kyle Kalis is an elite prospect with the size, athleticism, and technique to be good from Day 1.
I typically say what I mean and mean what I say. I'm not big into "fluff" and think it's a waste of time, so if I say "the sky is the limit," that's exactly what I mean. I absolutely believe that if he puts in the work, gets the necessary opportunities, and stays healthy, he could very well be a first round pick in four years.
Thanks for the compliments.
would I be in favor of holding off on the offer? Hell's no. I'll take all the guys with amazing potential we can get. But I don't really follow recruiting so I can't give an informed position of where players stack on the recruiting boards. I was saying if LTT really wanted to prove TTB wrong, he'd have done better to point out his excellent technique in a video or something, rather than cite his offer list.
From my outsider's view, LTT committed, TTB gave a mixed review of his abilities, LTT felt dissed, and said plenty of other people like him. Well that's not addressing the specific points in the review. We like him, we offered him, we accepted his commit, the two things, (liking him, and perhaps a lack of refinement in his technique) are not mutually exclusive.
I'm more concerned in general with H.S. kids mistaking potential for entiltements. I'm gonna go on a litle rant here that is about Div. 1 athletes in general, not necessarily LTT.
A Div. 1 football player is like a god amongst men in H.S. They're bigger, faster, and on the local news. You can't blame them for getting a big head and having biased views about their abilities. The hope is that once you get them signed and on campus you can give them the constructive criticism they need to become BETTER without them giving up and transferring or loafing on the bench. Most every kid has had sunshine blown up his ass for so long in H.S. that they think they should start from day 1. And while some can, and some are pressed into duty because of unfortunate circumstances, it's really better for everyone that they bide their time, work hard, and improve their game.
Realistically speaking, a very small percentage of a Div 1, even a BCS AQ conf. team will go to the NFL, so there's little incentive to graduate early and get out, unless you're one of the 5-10 guys out of 85 on a roster that are going to spend more than a year or two in the NFL. You might as well spend 5 years in college. Hell, if anyone wanted to pay me to spend an extra year in college, I'd be all over that like white on rice.
And kids put too much emphasis on the games. The games are really a small percentage of the time you spend related to football. Yeah, they're the glory moments, but it's better if you're a guy that enjoys practice, since that's like 90% of what you'll be doing. Patience is a hard thing when you're young, but waiting for 2 or even three years developing before you get sent out to the wolves in front of 100k people is better than playing too early and having your weaknesses on display for everyone to see.
The richrod years give us many examples of kids getting thrown into games too early and it wasn't good for their development or for the program.
So back to LTT, Offers and recruitment are all about potential because you figure you can teach the kid the right technique when the get on campus. But if you're going to get into a tiff with someone on the internet, you should address the specific points they make. I know the GOP debates have america thinking it's okay to be asked a question and then talk about something entirely different, but that's not how normal people try to win arguments.
My evaluation from a former college lineman. Good feet and can stick with block once engaged. Catches instead of punches for now but should vastly improve this area as his coordination and strength catch up with his body. In summary could be dominant in the very near future. My optimism is based on his motor which the coaching staff also identified. A big man who puts in work is a big man who will prosper.
Why oh why do we (being any pro-Michigan site) have to rip on recruits before they even signed a LOI...especially one so sought after as LTT? We make fun of Meyer for saying stuff about his own players being not very good, yet we (I use this losely, mind you) do an over-evaluation of someone who simply gave us a verbal. Even if it was supposed to be constructive, the wording was ALL OFF. There are better ways to make points. These are young guys remember. They can and sometimes will change their mind on a whim, especially if they feel they have been slighted so early...there is alomst a full year of recruiting still. Seriously man, take it easy, use better wording and stop giving recruits a reason to swap. I'm not saying lie, but be constructive....better than what was used there. You think Saban or Meyer won't lie through their teeth and try and use that at one point or another? Look at the history and think again...dirty recruiters will use dirty tactics to try and muddle with players minds. LTT is a smart guy, but thats not to say that smart people can be taken by craft coaches every now and then.
Please feel free to begin quoting bloggers when you talk to recruits. Remember, you have the OZone and the Elven Warriors. Game on!
I am not quoting anyone, but these recruits search this stuff themselves. Hoke does not use negative recruiting, pretty much all of our competition does, thats my point...well that and Magnus can use better wording.
will be consumed. Michigan plays on a national stage.
As for the rest, I misunderstood:
seriously man, take it easy, use better wording and stop giving recruits a reason to swap. I'm not saying lie, but be constructive....better than what was used there. You think Saban or Meyer won't lie through their teeth and try and use that at one point or another?
Seriously chill out. He said a lot of positive things along with some areas of improvement. This happens to every recruit out there at every school. In most all of our Hello: posts, there parts about the recruit's weaknesses. I promise you Nick Saban is not going to bring up a blog during his pitch. LTT knows Hoke likes him.
Magnus writes a blog, he can say whatever he wants. Some people like to talk about how awesome everything is, and some like to be more critical. We can't be afraid to scout our recruits because they might take their ball and go home.
I agree. All recruits have posts on weaknesses. Its just the way it was said. The article on recruiting stories was an excellent example of a coach or some other media-type using heresay to sway a recuit. I don;t think LTT is going to swap, I just think the way we post our Hello uses a better structure on what a player needs to work on vs saying that they are not very good. No matter what great stuff we say afterwards.
Most Ohio folks who are Cleveland Cavalier Fans are not mad at Lebron for leaving Cleveland as he had the right to make a professional decision after 7 years. But the anger comes from the way it was said (how it was done). Same thing here. Thats all were saying peeps! We're all on the same team here! Can't we all just get along?
One difference between Meyer and me? I'm not trying to recruit players.
I see what you're doing here, RollDamnTide. You slowly gain our e-friendship, only to ultimately pit us against each other, and at the expense of one of our prized recruits, who was also strongly considering Alabama, coincidentally.
I'm hip to your jive, son. You better watch it.
Let's not single out Magnus for stating an opinion and analysis on a recruit. The entire college football offseason Is centered on this stuff. If anything, we should point the fingers at ourselves for obsessing over kids that haven't been to their senior prom yet. Magnus gives an opinion on a website because we all want hear it.
Yes, we should single out Magnus. He isn't a football expert and he shouldn't be critiquing any prospects. If anything he is only qualified to critique people who are unqualified to have a blog about what their blog is about. He is an expert at that.
Suggestion for Magnus: it might be a more prudent idea to wait until after these guys have signed LOIs before critiquing/projecting them.
It's threads like this that remind me why I never read the MGoBoard very in-depth. Magnus brings something to the table that most of you do not, an actual knowledge of the details and fundamentals of football. How many of you that are criticizing Magnus' evaluation of LTT have any idea what proper technique looks like for an offensive lineman? What their form should look like? How high is too high? What do good hands look like for a lineman? Most of you have no idea. Not only do most of you have no idea, most of you have not even watched LTT's film to see if you can find the things Magnus is talking about. If you had watched the film and do know anything about proper technique for a lineman, you would see that Magnus is correct.
Magnus isn't criticizing LTT at all. He said he has the potential to be a first round NFL draft pick. What more praise do you people want? He gives an analysis of tons of recruits every year and this is the one you guys decide to freak out about just because the kid tweeted something? Magnus gave less than rave reviews about Dawson, where is your freak out there? Gave less than favorable reviews for Khalid Hill BEFORE he committed, no freak out on that one either. Get a grip guys. Magnus watches film from a purely analytical/football knowledge based viewpoint. If most of you had any knowledge of the fundamentals and techniques that go into making the great players you see on Saturdays, you would know exactly what Magnus is talking about.
Other quick notes that some of you can't quite understand:
- Denard was voted league MVP and not 1st team QB. That is exactly what Magnus is talking about when he says Denard is not a great QB. He is a phenomenal player and none of us would trade him for any QB in the nation but there are reasons he is going to be an NFL WR. (Don't give me the Tebow comparison here either. Look at the comp % and INT rates between Denard and Tebow. Nowhere close)
- JT Floyd remains less than stellar. I have approximately zero faith that he can shut down a top level NCAA receiver and he has never ever done anything to prove otherwise. OSU game and ND game serve as prime examples. Posey and Michael Floyd owned him. Agree with Magnus again here. JT running away from people in the Sugar Bowl is also correct.
- As far as the Cox being the best RB thing, I think Magnus can acknowledge that is not the case. What talent evaluator shoots 100% from the field? None, give the guy a break. He made those comments at a time when we had no true RB and Cox had shown flashes. I bet there are a lot of us that would have liked to see Cox get a chance in at least one game at that point in M football lore. I'm positive that Magnus is not pushing for Cox over Toussaint at this point.
Don't be so sensitive guys. Magnus comes across as a pessimist because he is not a blatant homer like most of you. He has forgotten more football than most of us have ever known and his opinions and evaluations are usually spot on. And for the record, most HS lineman do not have the advanced technique and training that a recruit like Kalis had. Most lineman are very raw and need seasoning in the weight room as well as in the technique area, that is why almost all of them redshirt.
That could all be 100% true but misses the point. When you're talking about a recruit - a kid who could choose to go to school elsewhere - you're supposed to be a total homer. The last thing you want to do is give the impression that the kid isn't wanted by Michigan fans. (I'm not saying that's the case, but a desperate rival coach could try to claim that.)
Wait until they're actually in the program to scrutinize them.
If I have to be a total homer, I'm going to stop writing. Why would anybody respect someone's opinion who's all sunshine and roses all the time? The fact is that 30 signees (out of 93) from the 2008-2011 classes have already washed out, and several more have yet to see significant playing time (Isaiah Bell, Jordan Paskorz, Ken Wilkins, etc.). There are bound to be some guys who don't pan out. It's just a fact of life.
I have absolutely no problem with an honest evaluation of a prospect and for the most part I agree with Magnus on LTT. Where I think he screwed up is he came across like kind of a dick, especially when responding to Logan's tweet. It's been the concensus that LTT has elite skills and athleticism but has some work to do with technique and learning the nuances of playing at a high level among other things but to say things like "he could get frustrated and leave Michigan early" or that LTT "is not very good right now" come across pretty dickish. Also to respond the way he did and basically talk down to one of our recruits was uncalled for and could have been handled much better and more professionally. Logan seems to have a really good head on his shoulders and I know he will use this as motivation but in the future lets try to not piss of our players a year before signing day and then talk to them like children when they respond. Other players might see this and use it to further the myth that we're all smug jackasses as a fanbase.
Hey magnus.... There is no need to defend yourself.. Youre one of the few here who isn't deluded and calls it like it is, and you tend to keep things at even keel, and is appreciated by many.
Hey magnus.... There is no need to defend yourself.. Youre one of the few here who isn't deluded and calls it like it is, and you tend to keep things at even keel, and is appreciated by many.
Magnus' informed evaluations are the most honest you'll find on a Michigan fan site. That's why I value and read his commitment posts before anyone else's. His honesty has built a trust that he'll give his opinion with no bullshit, whether you like it or not. Keep it up.
Keep doing what you're doing. I want honest opinions. You may be right , you may be wrong, but the truth is interesting. The people who just want to tell me that every kid we get, every player we have, every coach, is god's gift....that's boring and bullshit. And anyone who thinks one of our recruits is bolting bc of one of our fan's evaluations on the Internet, well you're dissing that kids character more than anything Magnus says. LTT, you know what to do, put in the work and become the stud that Magnus said you can be.
Didn't see this posted anywhere but Preist Willis plans on visiting during his spring break!!
I'm waiting for WarDamnEagle to show up
His posts are well done and often interesting. But there is something wrong here
Dude, put down the tinfoil hat...
I highly doubt that mgoblog is the target of some sort of covert operation in which Alabama has planted a seemingly bengn operative whose goal is to win our hearts, collect intelligence on Michigan football, and sow dissention among the ranks of the Internet presence of the Michigan fanbase.
If this thread has shown anything, even the so-called "experts" that post on these boards do not approach the level of significance to be targets of the Alabama intelligence agencies.
If they were smart they'd recruit one of the lower level staff members - grad assistants, quality control coaches, etc. - who has access to the vital information they seek: game plans, playbooks, personnel assessments. They'd probably try to leverage a desperate financial situation, since we all know these guys are the ones who work for pennies, but have access to family jewels. Failing that, the long hours and limited interaction with the ladies might leave them susceptible to the old fashioned honey trap.
Only if you believe mine was too
Where does this so called football guru even coach? I'm just curious if his team has had any sucsess in the playoffs. With his awesome knowledge, they better have some state championship trophies in the case.
So a coach needs to have multiple state championships in order to discuss a high school prospect's strengths and weaknesses?
In that case, he's the head coach at Harrison, Brother Rice, East Grand Rapids and hockey coach at Catholic Central.
I know I'm late to this party but are we pissed at Magnus because he told the truth about LTT but did so too soon or are we pissed at him because his evaluation is all wrong? Or are we pissed at him because LTT is pissed at him?
Seriously folks...if a recruit bails because someobody on a blog said not nice things about his current technique then he really would struggle under...oh i dunno...reall live coaches who yell and swear and stuff. Cause last time i checked that pretty much happens every day in practice.
I don't think you realized the shit-storm you'd be creating with this post. TTB is run by one of our most famous posters here -->Magnus.
I sincerely hope LTT knows that Magnus knows how to write and eat and presumably nothing else, like, at all.
Let's all hear it for our local middle school junior varsity assistant to the football equipment manager for pissing off one of our highly touted recruits because he - in all his wisdom - doesn't like LTT as a prospect. Thanks, man. Good call. Well crafted. Hope you got 14 unique page views this month.
Could one of you defending Magnus on this by proclaiming his "expertise" explain to me what makes him so qualified to trash recruits on a blog with heavy traffic? He is a Jr. High football coach. Christ.
Which is a hell of a lot more than most "recruiting analysts" have going for them. Not to say that Magnus is right all the time or even all that often, but considering how many highly sought after recruits don't pan out, that isn't saying much. Half of the recruits in this class probably won't see significant playing time ever, that's just the nature of the game. Most analysts are way too possitive about recruits, and if you've ever read the break down of the #73 rated DT in a class you'd know what I mean. Not every 3 star is a diamond in the rough, not every 5 star is a sure NFL first round pick. These players have flaws in their game, otherwise there would be no reason to rank them.
If he wants to be critical and call a spade a spade, many people find that refreshing. If you don't care for his rankings, then don't visit his blog. I feel bad that LTT is upset by what Magnus wrote, but I don't think Magnus should change what he writes because one recruit is upset.
On the term "trash someone". Does it matter if someone did proclaim this? The fact is, It's his blog; it's what he does. Don't like the content? Don't read it. Disagree with it? Don't take it for gospel (you're obvi not doing that anyway). It's as if we're forced to read EVERYTHING on the internet these days and NEVER take anything with a "grain of salt".
It has nothing to do with whether we would/should go there, but the fact that recruits do.
As stated before, criticism is acceptable; tact is requested.
It's more than a grain of salt to LTT, otherwise he wouldn't have responded publicly. And I don't think we should be in a position to tell our potential recruits to take our harsher criticisms with a grain of salt.
You don't think that maybe we're overstating how upset LTT really is about this?
Yeah, he tweeted about it. News flash: Not everything a 16 year old tweets about is life changing. He's probably over it and we're all still up talking about it.
I think he probably was pissed about it. And I doubt he's totally over it. He said he'd use it as fuel to prove the doubters wrong. It seems to be grating him.
I have always appreciated Magnus's analyses, so I can appreciate you sticking up for him, as well. And I know he was very positive about his potential.
Basically I think statements like "huge project" and "every offensive line recruit Michigan picked up this weekend has better technique than him" were a bit much and singled him out pretty negatively. It's enough to say he's a project or to point out his weaknesses, while highlighting his strengths. To me, it's over the top to say "It looks like Tuley-Tillman has never had a day of quality offensive line coaching." But Magnus probably knows what that looks like. Still, I can see how that could upset a kid who's considered one of the best in the nation.
But I think Magnus has been hit pretty hard over it, and it should be let go. After all, he is very knowledgeable and I consider him an expert. I appreciate him too. I agree we should go to bed.
Your whole post was golden except for your very last sentence*. There's no reason for that kind of talk.
*I'm a bit more in line with Magnus on this post than you are. He said some harsh things, sure, but there were also some phrases that I don't think many recruits get out of his evaluations.
Is that a challenge? The wife just awoke out of her stupor to ask me what I could possibly be doing this late for hours on the Internet. I think she's asleep again...
That is a good point that Magnus's positives about his ceiling are praise doled by him to few. That may have slipped past LTT's radar. He definitely made LTT sound like he could be what many can't. Perhaps the post rang negative because it lowered expectations from high ceiling and quality player to just high ceiling. I don't know if I'm capable of coherent thought this late.
Admittedly, though, we all are a bit reactionary because of LTT's response.
megangoblue is gone for the weekend, and I'm now home after a brief stint out with the roommate, so I'm drinking beer and watching Californication until further notice. Also, I'm a bit hungry, which might turn into pasta with sauce and cheese stuffed sausage, just depends how much I think I'll realisticly eat. Good questions...
Who's LTT again? Kidding obviously; I like his game from my layman perspective, but I do respect Magnus' opinions and I hope LTT will take more than the negatives out of that critique.
I've never understood when he's taken criticism in the past. He knows his stuff. And for this situation, I've just hit the point at which I agree with WolvinLA2 that I've thought about this more than LTT ever will. Or something like that.
More importantly, I miss the days of roommates and beer and random instinctive late night meals. They've been replaced by 9-5 and elusive abs and being hungry. However, I have a wife in the next room. And that makes it all better. Almost. That she's in the next room. JK she's worth spending life with. Date night. On mgoblog. I need to stop
Honestly, I understand what you're saying. I'm a senior this year and I'm looking forward to some boring nights at home in ~18 months when I've finished the stuff I need to following graduation and megangoblue is finally done with school.
Also, apparently there was something left on one of the burners and it set a smoke alarm off, so I'm guessing the roommates are hoping I get to those nights sooner rather than later, as well.
Once again, I dont think it was what was said, but HOW it was said. Criticism is great. Every recruit needs it to learn. They can handle it. It was the way it was said. Not to get all "what-i-do-in-rl-crap", but I was a corporate trained for 6 years of my life for a huge company. I didn't take whatever staff I had in any particular city I happened to be in and tell them, "you all arent very good right now, BUT..." It would come out wrong and some highly skilled people would have been very offended. When people read their Hello: ____ posts on Mgoblog, I am quite positive none of them get upset on any areas of improvement that are listed. Because it is listed that way helps. If it was called, "areas where they blow the chrome off a Harley", they may respond differently. Tillman responded...that alone should give anyone pause that a step was taken too far in the wording alone. The evaluation by someone who obviously knows what to look for in a recruit would give him ample reason to be honest and thorough. But, and this is a big but (yes, I know what I just said), it was worded all wrong. The final, and smaller point, is that maybe going that in depth on someone who hasen't signed a LOI isnt the smartest. In the end, if doesn't matter what he, myself or anyone on this forum sees in an evaluation of the talent. It matters what Hoke, Funk and the rest of the Michigan staff sees in his evaluation. Being that he was a well-loved and highly touted and desires player makes this seemingly early and slightly harsh evaluation also a little questional. But thats me, and what do I know? I am no coach and will never pretend to be. I have been a fan and a follower of Michigan sports my entire life, and that is the capacity that I will remain. Heck, i was a runner, not even a football player. So I am not speaking as an expert on proper techniques in the art of a tackle or a guard. I am, however, speaking as an expert in my field for over 14 years, and much of that has to do with communication and teamwork. Peace
Ace has balanced it pretty well so far (see Dukes speed), but Tim kinda straddled the line a few times in Hello posts. I can't remember who it was, but there was one guy he was brutal on, and posters called him out on it. In hindsight he may even have been right. But there was at least a better way to say it.
On another note, I was discussing this with my wife who was an English and Communications double-major about the article. She starts to agree with me and then stops dead-track and asks: Is that your bog name with the picture of the big-boobed cheerleader?? Isn't that the one you and your friend Scott were commenting on during the Sugar Bowl? I had kinda denied it then, but I was busted (figuratively and literally) here. So yea, thanks alot LTT blog...now I have a years worth of dishes to do.
That's some funny sh*t right there!
Whenever I am on the board, I hope that you have posted so that I may gander once again at that picture. I don't know if it will help the dishes go any quicker, but know that you have done a bit of good in this world.
Btw care to share where you got the pic from?
Enough with this PC, Nanny State, cant take criticism, BS. The guy wrote an honest evaluation about a fotoball player. From what I understand, it's kind of what he does. It's his blog from what I understand, as well, meaning he can write whatever the hell he wants, HOW he wants, and b**ching about it isn't going to change anything.
For those of you who think this will deter a recruit (from committing to Michigan) it's time to take the tin-foil hats off.
Did I hurt your feelings and make too valid a point?!
Critic is good, but you could be less of a dick about it. From someone who read your blog.
"Logan Tuley-Tillman is not very good right now. He has size, athleticism, and potential galore. But every offensive line recruit Michigan picked up this weekend has better technique than him. Tuley-Tillman played for a 3-6 Manual team that emphasizes the run, and even his footwork in the running game is questionable. It looks like Tuley-Tillman has never had a day of quality offensive line coaching."
That's being a dick? Man, I'd hate for you to meet my boss.
Magnus uses such inflamatory language as "not very good" and "questionable." He has the gall to say "he has size, athleticism, and potential galore." He said that three highly rated, highly sought after 4-star OL commits (two of which are near 5-stars) have better technique than him. He then actually gives him an out by blaming his coaching.
What a FUCKING DICK.
I actually also see the dickishness, just saying. Obviously the whole critic isn't like that, but I could see how LTT was offended by it.
That out of our systems...Michigan Fans REUNITE! Everyone's different, has different opinions, different morals etc. This is a great place to come to to discuss said differences between all of us. In the end, though, I hope we all realize we really are rooting for the same team and student-athletes (minus that insightful RollDamnTide character!).
You, Sir, are obviously a Nazi.
/s (Sad that I have to add that. But +1 for you)
Keep up the good work Magnus, thanks for your honest assessment.
Said it before and I'll say it again,Magnus is a DOUCHEBAG.
My god people. Lock the blog.
but WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH ALEX KOZAN?????