still not over it in South Bend
I'm blaming Magnus.
as will all of us
Magnus will have to post a ton of pics of fabulous babes to make up for that...
If he decommits because of what I said, then he's bound for failure. Great athletes don't have thin skin.
there there Vernon Gholston.
You mean Vernon Davis?
swing and a miss
A BEAST at TE and he plays his heart out.
All due respect, that simply isn't true. Many great athletes are some of the most insecure people on earth. They need constant reassurance which is why they surround themselves with yes men. The top ones aren't used to criticism because they're surrounded by people telling them how great they are.
Being sensitive to criticism doesn't mean anyone is destined for failure, especially at age 16. That comment is over the top.
I'm not talking about as 16-year-olds. I'm talking about as he goes through college and perhaps to the NFL. These kids take criticism every day - from coaches, teachers, camp counselors, etc. If they can't take criticism, they don't get better.
so...you take it upon yourself to guage whether or not they will be great players? Which one is the 16 year old?
Although I agree with your point to the extent that this obviously affects players more than we realize, how can you criticize Magnus for guaging players? We are only mad because a player that we covet in our class is offended that Magnus did not have a positive review of his talents. I hope you do not visit Rivals, Scout, 247, or ESPN either as this is obviously a practice you are opposed to.
I agree with everything you said, but as fans, we shouldn't be critical of these kids (who are just coming off of thier junior year and obviously far from perfect) just to prove that we have football evaluation skills. Why is it pertenant to look at a kid and say that he won't do this or perform at this certain level, especially after we have watched JK start three years as a walk-on. Its a crap shoot, especially with the O-line. As fans, we should be nothing but supportive and welcoming to these kids, especially since they are giving up other options to be here.
Then I'm sure you're fine with the people critisizing you, NOT as a person, but as a influential blogger that's representing Michigan, right? You seem to be fine with 'smartass' responses to 16yo athlets on twitter, cracking jokes at Asians, etc. Some more class and professionalism out of a blogger of a prominent Michigan site would be great. As you said, If they can't take criticism, they don't get better.
By the way, I thought the TTB article on LTT was pretty good.
People can criticize my comments as much as they want. It doesn't mean they're correct with their assessments, just like I'm not 100% certain that Logan Tuley-Tillman won't start his first game as a true freshman next year.
You better have a 2nd pair of skin...because the current flesh will belong to Coach Hoke.
lol grow up dude.
...for being unrepentant. Winners don't apologize.
But since you spend a good bit of the thread striking back at those who criticized you, it seems a bit disingenuous. "Great bloggers DO have thin skin"?
By responding so many times, Magnus has done the exact same thing as LTT. Magnus criticizes LTT for not being able to ignore the criticism, yet he can't ignore the criticism. I wonder what he used to do when his glee club got a negative review?
Keep things in context.
I said that if Tuley-Tillman decommits because of what I said, then he's too thin-skinned. I absolutely, 100% don't expect him to decommit because of what I said. That would be drastic.
People are criticizing me here, and I'm not doing anything drastic. People have a right to their opinions, including Tuley-Tillman. That doesn't mean they're correct.
But it still comes off as insinuating he's being a pussy about it. The problem wasn't the negativity of the post (which has been a bit overblown), but the reaction to a kid acting all offended. Much like Dantonio-Hart, you may take offense at what the kid says, but as an adult it's better not to strike back on that level. If he tweets it, and you don't respond, it's a short thread, and not a big deal. Tweet snark with a teenager and it's a losing battle.
Ever heard of Michael Jordan? Thinnest skin on the planet.
If I was him I would be more worried about what a professional scout has to say.
I think he's gonna have a really hard time changing Magnus' opinion. Let's take JT Floyd for example... He's improved remarkably from last year but Magnus thinks Frank Clark is better than him wut? No, he thinks everyone else on the defense is better than my boy Floyd.
In all seriousness, though, I'm very thankful to have people like Magnus give their opinion on Michigan football, because it's great to see different viewpoints.
LOL. If you remember, I wasn't that high on Clark coming out of high school. Now that he finished his freshman year, I think he should/will start next season. Why? Because he actually played well. I'll change my position on players if they show it on the field.
I'll change my mind on Floyd if he turns into a quality cornerback. So far I haven't seen it.
Magnus > Hoke/Saban.
Just ask him, I'm sure he would tell you.
Do you know that Hoke and Saban disagree with Magnus? Magnus said that LTT is a bit of a project, on a team that's not very good and maybe doesn't have great OL coaching (like most HS teams). He also said that the sky is the limit with LTT and that he could be an elite left tackle. Since we took Magnuson in the last class (along with Braden), it's likely that LTT has the luxury of taking a few years to get to the level he needs to be. It's very possible Hoke, Saban, and every other coach that offered LTT feels the exact same way, and are confident his upside warrants the offer.
Not every accurate scouting reports reads: This prospect is awesome and has no flaws.
Magnus>Hoke/Saban? Obviously. Look at his point total fergodsakes.
I obviously know more about football than I thought I did. Wonder if the Patriots are looking for someone to help get Brady back over the hump....
Magnus is great but he is also the biggest pessimist (realist) in the mgo-blogosphere.
Truth is, recruiting is impossible to judge. As I recall, the biggest knock TTB had was that LTT wasn't coached as well as he could have been. That's fixable.
All our players are going to face lots of adversity. The ones who rise to the challenge and stay around will be champions. As for me, I couldn't be happier that he committed, and I very much look forward to LTT proving Magnus and any other doubters wrong. But he has to prove it every day--on the field, in the weight room, in class, and looking in the mirror in the morning. He has to prove it--not to Magnus, but to himself and his team. The rest of us, we're just hangers on who really don't matter.
I would disagree that fans don't matter. Agreed he won't become a better football player because of us but if the Big House weren't filled and the away games not watched and blogs like this not enthusiastically followed where would the program be?
We are a part of the experience and are important just in very different ways.
Everyone matters, but in different contexts. I was speaking about the people to whom LTT has to prove himself. He should be most concerned in being true to himself. He should work hard and act nobly in order to satisfy his own drive and be able to take pride in who he is. Second, he will be a member of a team and owes a duty of effort and care for the team and its coaches. As far as Magnus and others on this site, we'll be rooting for him. If he does right by himself and his team, we'll have no complaints.
I think Magnus is great. Every Tom, Dick and Harry is covering recruiting these days, but interesting and qualified opinions on a prospect are much more rare. We all know a lot of these kids won't pan out. Magnus has the balls to try to predict which ones.
Hopefully kids can find better things to motivate them than some random dudes on the internet.
Basically it says that his technique needs to be worked on but that athletically the sky is the limit. I don't see anything wrong with that.
I think it might have something to do with tone - Magnus doesn't pull any punches and he doesn't hesitate to say exactly what he thinks.
To people who don't know him very well (myself included), I can see how he could come off as a bit of a dick. To people who do, however...he can come off as a bit of a dick.
I think Magnus is the best blogger left on this site, but that evaluation was over-the-top. Even his compliments of LTT were completely backhanded. It felt like Magnus discovered LTT was plowing his girlfriend 15 minutes before writing that.
this is apparently what is going to happen as fans become 'recruiting gurus' and recruits become integrated more to the recruiting process from both the recruit and fans side of things. Free information is great, but don't piss off our recruits.
Magnus doesn't consider himself a 'recruiting guru'. He is just giving analysis based on his experience as a coach.
But don't piss off our recruits. We're still courting them, after all.
I'm sorry. I'll send him a dozen roses to apologize. How dare I say anything mildly negative about a recruit! I should only give compliments because it's 100% certain that EVERY MICHIGAN RECRUIT WILL BE AWESOME!!!!!!!
I don't mean to add onto an attack.
This is probably a no harm, no foul.
You do a great job. It is unfortunate that the tone of the post was that he's overrated and that he saw it, but I think we're all over-reacting.
Keep up the good work.
Yet, if you're so inclined, I'd go with sunflowers, more of a sign of friendship.
I thought his review was reasonable, but I am also glad that LTT disagrees with it. It shows that LTT cares enough to take exception. There probably aren't five posters here with his level of knowledge when it comes to football, though, and he certainly has the right to his opinion.
All you can really demand out of someone on a blog is to know what they are writing about, be honest, and have integrity. I really don't see where any of those didn't happen here. I thought it was well-conceived, and the overall tone was that he has the potential to develop well with good coaching.
I don't know that I'm "glad" LTT disagrees with it, but I'm certainly glad he has the competitive spirit to try to prove me (and anyone who doubts him) wrong. As I said in my Tweet back to him, I'm a Michigan fan and I certainly hope he proves me wrong - that means success for my favorite team.
That being said, "proving me wrong" basically means he'll be a first day starter - because I said it would take him a couple years to learn technique and then the sky's the limit. So unless he starts and performs well at Michigan as a freshman or sophomore, then he'll basically be right where I predicted. And since it normally takes linemen two or three years of college to play in the first place, then the odds are that he won't prove me wrong.
Nooooooooooo. I'm not courting shit. If you're courting shit you're probably committing a violation so fucking stop if you are. Magnus is a blogger. He also is not courting recruits. He is writing to an audience of Michigan fans who value his honest opinions. He doesn't owe LTT or his audience anything besides his honest view.
fanbase support into their decisions. That's all I meant. But everything aside, I'm sure this situation is fine.