Great screen name.
Hoke was top notch at this aspect of his job.
Great screen name.
But is it as good as dinardogasm? (I ask because I don't know)
Memories of '09 and '10 still have me reluctant, however there were a couple games in both of those seasons that UM lost that could have went either way. I think each of the last 2 years' teams were on the verge of being decent, but youth, injuries, and bad luck with turnovers (or carelessness, take your pick) handicapped them.
With those constraints under control now, for the most part, I'm confident that this team is on the verge of being 'good.' That being said, I dont see why most of you are only confident about Purdue going forward. Without Wisconsin on the schedule, I think Michigan, accross the board, is as talented or more talented than every remaining team they have left to play. I think they will be favored next week, and if they win, Vegas will like them at MSU also. Illinois on the road is a toss-up and Ohio's offense can't possibly be on the same trajectory as our ever improving defense - adequate as it may be. 17 points will win that game.
are we going to a bowl game?
But will there be roses?
Depends if we win the tough games (MSU, Illinois, and Neb). And if TSIO improves enough of their defense to slow down Borges beautiful play calling
Hopefully that question will be anwered next week...which is all that matters right now really.
Can't be lower than 14. Impressive win (over a ridiculously bad team) and lots of bad teams dropping out of the top 20. No one should leapfrog us so as bizarre as it seems; 13-14 is reasonable.
I agree with robmorren2. I was telling a friend of mine earlier today that if everything fell into place perfectly (Bama, Sconsin, Clemson or Va Tech won big) that is exactly where we would end up. Do I think that we would be these teams that we are passing? Shit no! But this is how the system works... And the current system says we'll be #12 when the polls come out tomorrow.
This is the way Bo used to crush the Little Eight back in the day.
It's a very faint whiff, and it's still in the distance, but I'm startng to smell real Michigan football. I don't care who you're playing, 58-0 is a respectable score.
|AP Top 25|
|4||Boise State (1)||4-0||1280||W||4|
|6||Stanford||3-0||1205||Winning 31-19 UCLA||7|
|7||Wisconsin||5-0||1177||W 48-17 Neb||5|
|8||Nebraska||4-1||991||L 48-17 Wiscy||15|
|10||South Carolina||4-1||950||L 16-13 Aub||14|
|11||Virginia Tech||4-1||883||L 23-3 Clemson||19|
|12||Florida||4-1||820||L 38-10 Bama||16|
|13||Clemson||5-0||744||W 23-3 VT||8|
|14||Texas A&M||2-2||734||L 42-38 Ark||24|
|15||Baylor||3-1||659||L 36-35 KSU||17|
|16||South Florida||4-1||585||L 44-17 Pitt||NR|
|18||Arkansas||4-1||434||W 42-38 TAMU||10|
|19||Michigan||5-0||417||W 58-0 Minn||12|
|20||TCU||3-2||338||L 40-33 SMU||NR|
|25||Arizona State||3-1||112||Winning 28-20 OrSt||22|
And I could see A&M, SC or UF staying ahead of us too. Thanks for putting this up though, makes it a ton easier to visualize. I'm thinking we'll end up around 14th +/-1
TAMU joins the two loss club, and the only member of that club in the Top 25 heading into today was Florida State @23. TAMU has to fall into the 20s.
South Carolina staying ahead of us would be reasonable, but I'm figuring the voters will move them down a few spots after a loss, which leaves a window.
Maybe I'm biased against VT. I picked them in the Pick Six contest (based on what seemed to be a cakewalk schedule) and was afraid they'd get exposed today. I didn't see the game, and the total yards don't look as bad as the 23-3 score suggests. Still, they are now a one-loss team that was beaten soundly.
Nebraska & Florida got destroyed. (I think we could stay within 31 of Wiscy). Neither has a validating win against a ranked opponent. (Neither do we, but we also don't have a blowout loss.)
ND might slip in this week. If not, they have AFA next week and a bad USC team after that. I'm not Lou Holtz here, but I think they could win 9-10 games this season and be a good team, ranked in the high teens or so, by the end of the season.
I still hope you're wrong though...It just seems crazy to me that we'd be knocking on the door of the top 10 without a win over a ranked opponent, or a road win, or any preseason hype. It makes me incredibly nervous.
Wouldn't be totally shocking to leapfrog Arkansas. Probably not justified, but 58-0 might sway some voters given how close their game was and we aren't very far behind in votes as it is. Somewhere between 11-13 is probably right. I would be surprised with 14 or lower.
9-3 is a WORST case scenario - and sparty, ohio & neb (my potential losses) are all eminently beatable. A top 10 finish seems probable after what was a VERY encouraging day today both froma playbook and defensive standpoint.
It's not a "worst case" scenario. I've seen better Michigan teams than this one lose conference games they should have won by multiple TDs. Also, I think you are forgetting @Illinois, which looks like it will be one of the most difficult games left on the schedule. Plus TSIO could also be much improved by the time UM plays them, with the return of the suspended players and additional maturation for MIller.
Still, I agree with what I think is the spirit of your post--that the most likely way to finish 9-3 is by winning all "easy" games and losing the marquee matchups.
Squeked out a 23-20 win over Westerm Michigan last week and was down 28-17 late in the 3rd quarter to NW when Persa left the game. No way does Illinois win that game today without the Persa injury. Both games were in Champaign, im not impressed.
not saying we deserve it, but we are 5-0, and that's what happens. The right teams lost in front of us this week, and Nebraska lost big enough to drop below us. This is slightly terrifying, because looking at the schedule, what game isn't winnable right now?
Yes, we may go as high as probably #12, but many, many voters and columnists remember that Michigan has gone 4-0 to start the season the past 2 years, and then crashed in flaming ruin once the away games and B1G schedule started. It's mentioned in every Rittenberg/Mandel/Forde/etc. piece I read.
However high we go, I think we'll be SEVERELY punished for a loss, more than almost any other team in our position would be, due to our reputation for collapsing down the stretch.
Hopefully we can just win out all the way and avoid that bias entirely, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us drop 10 spots or more after our first loss this year.
Solution: Just win them all.
I agree--there do seem to be a lot of writers and commentators who are just waiting for the bottom to drop out on us again. I think that makes these next two weeks huge as far as perception.
Let's not get caught up in the rankings. As long as we stay "Bi-Winning" (non-conf & B1G season), we should be good. Let's restart this thread after we dump-truck little brother...
I'm really juiced to move up in the rankings - this year however - I'm not so sure. Not drinking the kool-aid just yet but getting closer. If we win the next two weeks on the road, pour me a big o glass. Denard looked better yesterday and the D is playing well. Getting a little more excited each week.
I think we'll be #12 this week.