Lorenz Comments on MGo radio post OSU
After a very insightful segment last week, Lorenz from 247 rejoined Ace and Brian for a lengthy segment post OSU. Comments below as best as I can transcribe.
Note if a player's name is not listed below he was not discussed. (i.e. Walker)
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DL Jordan Elliott (!!) - all 4 of them
- See him as sticking with UM if for nothing else than to prove doubters wrong.
- UM coaches can see him as an outside or inside player (DE/DT) - same for Camp & Gary due to athleticism for all 3.
DL Keyshon Camp
- Ace said he was surprised Camp left campus without committing since he paid his own way for an unofficial.
- Lorenz said he was put off by weather and "re-affirmed" committment to USC. Lorenz does not see him going to UM now. USC confirming coach appealed to Camp.
- A disappointment on Michigan's end - when recruiting Texas, Florida, California kids this is going to happen.
CB Lavert Hill
- Going to keep dragging it along and go on all 5 official visits and wait til UA AA Game Jan 9 to announce.
- Doesn't know what schools he will go visit. But doesn't take away from UM's chances. UM feels supremely confident.
WR Donnie Corley
- Pursuit of Corley is rooted in connection with Hill. i.e. hope they can get a "package deal". Corley "may" not commit Dec 8.
ALL Mecole Hardman
- Brian says Hardman said generic nice things; didn't see movement on Hardman.
- Lorenz thinks he stays down south. Maybe TN. GA seemed to be the fav b4 firing.
- Loves Jeremy Pruitt.
TE Isaac Nauta
- GA firing coach works out for UM of course. Nauta had great relationsip with staff. Proximity is big for Georgia. GA barely uses TE.
- UM coaches confidence as never been higher post firing.
- Nauta may go to GA after new coaches announced to visit.
- Lorenz thinks fit is too good - if Nauta goes to GA it sure doesn't have to do with "TE things" and fit.
- Nauta wants EE.
- Lorenz wouldn't call UM favorites.
WR Pie Young
- Thought he would commit this weekend. Other finalists FSU & Bama and those schools have other players higher on board so he is not a take for them at this point. Only UM would take him right now (edit: of those 3 schools).
- he might be waiting to see who Miami hires.
- Still would be surprised if he is not part of class.
WR Velus Jones
- Probably UM or Oklahoma if he leaves USC. Had a great official to OK prior week.
WR Dylan Crawford
- Went radio silent post Oregon visit. He is a quiet kid as it is. May decide at Army UA game.
WR Eddie McDoom
- Will take official Dec 11.
Some trepidation they dont get any of these guys as they are trying to get some high end recruits (Corley / Crawford) and could miss on those and then lower targets could be elsewhere.
LB Dontavious Jackson
- UM did very well with Jackson. He is a huge priority for UM. Obvious need on field vs OSU helped. (silver lining of getting a$$ kicked I guess)
- UM made it crystal clear with current LB situation he is a guy who could come in and compete immediately to play.
- LSU FSU Texas other challengers.
- UM at very least should be in til the end
CB Chis Brown
- Same as last week - Texas v UM as top 2. Dad loves Wolverines.
DL Rashad Weaver
- Brian: Scheduled visit to Temple - is this prelude to decommitment? Lorenz - maybe.
OG Terrance Davis
- UM remains in great shape. No known competitors who are serious. Maryland Lorenz guesses is one (Durkin!)
- Last week Lorenz said Davis *or* Delance not both in class. That has changed now. Would take Davis now if he says yes.
- Mom and grandma came with him.
- Will he wait to commit at UA game? Maybe.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:22 PM ^
You okay, man?
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December 1st, 2015 at 2:36 PM ^
This is what the Pie Young section originally said, for context: "Otheh finalists FSU and Bama and those schools have othehh playehs igheh on boahd. Only UM would take im hight now."
December 1st, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^
A lot of typing on the fly and my h button on laptop is wonky of late. Thats why all these h's. :D Went back and edited.
December 1st, 2015 at 10:11 PM ^
alum96 can't type and eat pie at the same time.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:24 PM ^
Disappointing on Camp that he was turned off by the weather. If you wanna play in the NFL you've gotta get used to playing in the cold!
December 1st, 2015 at 2:31 PM ^
... 3-4 years if I could. Wonder if there is any data that supports Playing in cold weather in college helps you succeed in cold weather in the pros.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:34 PM ^
Someone needs to get on this stat.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:38 PM ^
I am 60% sure there is a superguide summarizing it all.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:38 PM ^
Well, it worked pretty well for Tom Brady & Charles Woodson... just sayin'...
December 1st, 2015 at 2:48 PM ^
How do these guys let weather play a role? My gosh, he's a man, not a flower - weather will not hurt him. Some people are too soft....
December 1st, 2015 at 2:57 PM ^
I know this is inconceivable to some in Michigan, but cold weather is not an easy thing to deal with if you've never experienced it, especially if you have another good option where you don't have to deal with it. It can be downright shocking to those who haven't lived in it. Hell, my neighbors think it's "freezing" as soon as it drops below 60. That's just what they're used to.
If someone from Michigan visited Palm Springs or Phoenix during the summer, they might be put off by the weather too, that doesn't mean they're "soft."
December 1st, 2015 at 3:11 PM ^
Nope, P. Springs & Phoenix are "dry heat" - always preferable to humidity.
Take it from an A2 native who moved to the West Coast 30 years ago - if I visit MI in summer I practically die now. I come for a game and visit every October - any other month it has to be a family situation to get me there. Although a June wedding was pretty nice - we avoided any tornado warnings the whole week somehow!
If you're willing to rise early enough you can get a full run or other outdoors activity in dry heat quite comfortably. The same cannot be said for humid heat. You can be drenched in sweat by 8 am.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:47 PM ^
It was unbearably hot compared to Michigan. Dry heat or no, 110 degrees is hot. It wasn't just me. The downtown was nearly completely closed in the evenings and on weekends. I could walk down the middle of the biggest roads on a Saturday. There was no traffic. Business had signs out; Open Sept 5th or some such date.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:51 PM ^
But you kinda proved my point - if you want to do an outdoor activity you need to do it really early or late. But that's not always an option. Sometimes the only time you have to do yard work is midday or your kid has a sporting event then, etc. You can call it a dry heat, but high of 120 and low of 90 is pretty brutal. Also - if you like to play golf, most prefer to do that when the sun is out.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:42 PM ^
Weather doesn't bother me becuase I'm not a little kid. Of course I've never been to an extreme cold area like Alaska, and I've never been to a tropical rain forest. But anywhere is the U.S. I don't even think about the weather.
December 1st, 2015 at 4:18 PM ^
I do - and pretty much anyone else who's lived West of the Rockies for a fair bit will agree - humidity is a bitch. It lasts all night, makes you sweat just drying off from the shower, absolutely beats the crap outta ya when you're not used to it.
Last time I was in humidity for any length of time was a spring semester program at Tulane I did 30 years ago.
Relocated to the Bay Area after that & I'll tell you what man - class or family reunions in July kill us West Coasters!
My A2 grandparents retired to Phoenix so I spent quite a bit of time there in many different seasons - me & Gramps would tee off with the Early Bird special crowd at 6:30 or 7 am. Beat the heat pretty much every time that way. Sit on the patio in the shade it's doable outdoors. In humidity shade don't matter! It's like a blanket...
December 1st, 2015 at 4:26 PM ^
sweated through my t-shirt five seconds after walking outside... brutal, but I love New Orleans regardless
December 1st, 2015 at 5:49 PM ^
My wife HATED the Michigan winters and when I wanted to change careers, put her foot down and told me she could not live in Michigan anymore as the cold weather was too hard on her. She grew up in Portland and lived on Okinawa for ten years, so she just hated the cold.
I found it inexplicable but I knew that staying was no longer an option and I was really tired of hearing her complain about it every year for six months, we had a great house, awesome friends, and lived in a good school district, but those good things just could not stack up. So I get it if recruits are either A) turned off by the weather or B) want to get away from it.
The fans at the warmer weather schools are also pretty funny when they simply cannot understand a guy wanting to play somewhere cold as well, explaining to them that not everyone freezes in the cold or melts in the snow is always a fun experience.
December 1st, 2015 at 6:48 PM ^
in Michigan my whole life. I am in my mid 50s and I have to tell you, I still love the 4 seasons. The cold doesn't bother me. My wife and I like winter sports. I understand some just can't take it, I get that. But I still like the challenge of winter. If I get tired of the cold and snow, we head to Florida for a week or so.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:07 PM ^
You go on vacation to Greenland, Flower?
College isn't a vacation per say, but it's a choice on where to spend 3-5 years of your youth. May as well pick a place you enjoy living, right?
Funny to me how people justify living in Michigan. If you haven't lived anywhere else, you really have no frame of reference.
Living in a place where the sun comes out more than 6 months a year is actually quite nice.
December 1st, 2015 at 4:30 PM ^
Michigan is not Norway. There's good weather from March until late October. Four months of cold weather is not that bad. OSU seems to be doing just fine recruting kids from Texas and Florida...and Columbus is not much warmer than Ann Arbor.
I've lived in Florida for five years now and I really miss Michigan's fall weather, but I will never miss scraping the windshield. ;)
December 1st, 2015 at 4:30 PM ^
There's good weather from March until late October.
May and June are good weather.
September and October are good weather.
The end.
Is the high below 65? Not good weather.
Is the high above 85? Not good weather.
Is the humidity over 40%? Not good weather.
December 1st, 2015 at 5:24 PM ^
Uh, no.
First of all, there is not a single month of the year that Ann Arbor averages highs above 85 degrees. The highest is July which averages 83 degrees. June in Ann Arbor is more 70s than 80s, and it's rarely above 90. Very nice summer weather.
The other thing people forget: the farther north you are, the longer your summer days are. It's very nice having it be light at 8:45PM. Yes, winter days are also shorter, but this is the tradeoff.
Second of all: high below 65 is bad weather?!?! My favorite time of year is when the highs range between 55 and 65 degrees. Brisk, comfortable for all types of outdoor activity (and yes, that means actually being active). 60 and sunny is the best weather there is.
November in Ann Arbor really is not too cold, especially the first half of it. Even December is fine because at that point the cold is novel.
The only part of the year I don't like in Michigan is January-March. Especially February. Winter just drags on a bit too long here.
December 2nd, 2015 at 10:10 AM ^
First of all, there is not a single month of the year that Ann Arbor averages highs above 85 degrees.
Didn't say anything about averages...and we have to talk about humidity, and the 3-4 inches of rain per month.
Second of all: high below 65 is bad weather?!?! My favorite time of year is when the highs range between 55 and 65 degrees.
When the high is below 65, the low is below 40. Too cold.
Great weather? Summer in Portland, OR.
High - 80F
Low - 60F
Humidity - 30%
Rainfall - almost zero
...and sunny every day.
Plus they're further north so their days are longer.
December 1st, 2015 at 4:01 PM ^
Personally, I'd love to live in London. The US is a boring country to me. It has an abundance of natural beauty, but little appealing culturally to me. Europe does.
Outside of extremes like Alaska or Tahiti, weather has little bearing on where I would like to live. Culture to me is far more important.
But that's just me. I understand perfectly why this kid wants the fun and sun of SC. Good for him that he can get what he wants.
December 1st, 2015 at 4:28 PM ^
we can all send you a postcard
December 1st, 2015 at 6:12 PM ^
Because Michigan weather sucks, I went to UofM from Los Angeles and the weather change was awful. As far as i was concerned we had nice weather for two weeks at the start and two weeks at the end and the seven months in between were miserable. The sun comes out once a month ... but you can't even feel the sun's rays and since there are no clouds its COLDER. Meanwhile my friend at UC Santa Barbara is emailing me about how hes walking to class in flip flops and surfing afterwards. Why not choose better weather? You'd have to have a Hoke/Borges breaking Gardner level of an awful coaching situation for where you go to actually matter in terms of your NFL stock. Half the people in the NFL are from crappy football schools, where the kids go doesnt really matter.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:52 PM ^
Would be a good study...Favre played in Mississippi in college and thrived in cold weather games in the pros. My assumption would be that if you have talent you can play in any weather.
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December 2nd, 2015 at 9:21 AM ^
Brett Favre was born in Gulfport.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:59 PM ^
Brett Favre turned out ok. Who needs data when you have anecdotal evidence?
December 1st, 2015 at 4:33 PM ^
Rodgers is from CA.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:35 PM ^
Makes a huge difference. Plus you have to suck it up if you get drafted to a cold weather team.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:38 PM ^
You're getting paid at USC and Alabama as well. Don't see what the difference is to be honest.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:45 PM ^
We're no saints, and I'm not just talking about the Ed Martin scandal. Let it go.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:13 PM ^
You're on the wrong blog lilpenny - and ugly as Hell too!
December 1st, 2015 at 2:49 PM ^
and you're little weanie's going to get all shriveled up in the cold. Wimps.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:36 PM ^
That is true but with college recruits get to choose (for the most part), whereas their respective "power" is relatively diminished when it comes to the NFL.
December 1st, 2015 at 6:45 PM ^
Eli Manning
December 2nd, 2015 at 4:49 AM ^
John "Horseteeth" Elway as well.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:45 PM ^
Yea I get that but if you get drafted by Green Bay you are going to get used to it there. hot chicks and nice weather for 12 months a year for 4+ yrs with a blueblood program is hard to turn down for a 17-18 year old.
Like the guy above me said maybe UM needs to commission an actual study showing midwest college players perform better in the NFL than those in the south. I doubt that would work out so well.
December 1st, 2015 at 4:16 PM ^
If he couldn't handle that weather, he really would be miserable as a student here. It doesn't rain in February.
December 1st, 2015 at 5:52 PM ^
Think about the greatest franchises in the League: The Packers, Steelers and Patriots. All cold-ass freezing weather. Also throw in the Bears, Giants and Eagles as examples of NFL blue-bloods. That's Big Ten country, folks. "SEC country" in the NFL is the Jaguars, Bucs, Dolphins ... at least the Panthers are good this year.
December 1st, 2015 at 6:16 PM ^
that people are different - period. I know some that LOVE winter and the colder, snowy-er (?) and colorless it is the better. I know many more that live for summer, the sunnier and hotter the better. Me? I don't like extremes. I'm in Michigan and I hate the grey, bitter cold as much as the bright, humid, blistering heat. I'm a spring/fall guy in that I like 50-70 degrees, bright and colorful days mixed with overcast days. If from a warm climate and I KNEW I were going to play in the NFL one day I'd like to think I'd be willing to play in the cold just to get used to it. Yet, I think I'd prefer to avoid schools that play in 40 degree games by October. B1G schools open hot but are in that cold rain by October 1st most years. If I'm honest I'd have to admit that weather would be huge in my recruitment. If from the south or SoCal I'd very likely not go to a B1G school. That's just me and if the guy writing this grew into a top-100 recruit there is no way I don't go to UM. It's fandom, love, etc. If I don't have that and I'm not from the area I'd never deeply consider UM no matter how much I may respect them. People are different and there is no debate.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:27 PM ^
Haven't heard anything on Lamar Jackson in a while. Could really use a true safety.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:31 PM ^
Read on another thread that the Michigan coaches went to see him in person and were apparently not impressed with him. Other schools also seconded that. Not sure source.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:38 PM ^
Michigan is no longer recruiting Lamar Jackson.
December 1st, 2015 at 5:34 PM ^
if no Camp, would we go for Chris Daniels? Or is Chris Daniels out now?
December 1st, 2015 at 6:03 PM ^
I believe Chris Daniels is still a possibility from Michigan's end, but he is likely headed to Oklahoma.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:46 PM ^
I always love your avatar - she just filed for divorce so is "in play".
Not hearing much on him lately - they did go visit Long (Stanford v UM) yesterday I believe. They also are going after Fuller at S but most assume he is going to OSU.
December 1st, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^
Nothing interesting on Gary?