Looks like an SEC NC

Submitted by pdxwolve on

Pending the outcome of the Oklahoma game, it's conceivable that LSU, Alabama and Arkansas will be 1,2 and 3 this week, basically sealing an all-SEC championship.

 

rbgoblue

November 20th, 2011 at 12:00 AM ^

Well it definitely isn't a "national" championship when both teams come from the same conference.  LSU already proved themselves superior to Bama (at Bama - no excuses), so it would be nice to see them play someone else.

In 2006, the two lines of thought were: no rematch, and you can't play in the NC if you didn't win your conference.

rbgoblue

November 20th, 2011 at 12:55 AM ^

Yes, someone also pointed out Nebraska in 2001 fit this criteria as well.  That said, neither of those games were rematches of games played earlier in the season.

What I was pointing out, however, was that in 2006, the widespread opinion of the voters (likely influenced by an SEC media campaign to get Florida in the championship game) was that Michigan did not deserve a spot because they didn't win the Big 10 (despite their only loss being by 3 on the road to the #1 team in the country).  Obviously, since 2006, the SEC has changed their tune.

MrVociferous

November 20th, 2011 at 12:24 AM ^

That's a lame argument.  Who else deserves to be in the championship game?  It ain't LSU or Alabama's fault that the rest of the top 10 is self-destructing.  The only thing you can argue now is LSU-Arkansas, and you get that game next week.

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Cope

November 20th, 2011 at 7:52 AM ^

Any team can still beat any team. There should be no rematch. Either Lsu or Alabama could still get torched by a great team they haven't seen yet. Remember this rating system that sets up the nc game is asinine. Just bc Arkansas has been creeping up by winning doesn't mean they're near the 3rd best team. And IMO Alabama should lose a few spots in the polls for giving up 21 points, under 10 yards away from 28 points, and over 300 yards rushing to Georgia Southern, an FCS team, at home this week. Shows they're not the #2 team no matter how close Lsu/Alabama was, which may have been just match up.

This ranking system is crap and comes down to eyes of voters who have biases about conferences that rarely play each other. And then the rankings dont support the outcomes. Remember very mediocre Penn st only lost like 24-11 to Alabama. Neither bama nor Arkansas should be in the nc game.

Honestly, when it comes to bama, I'd like to play them right now. I think we have a strong chance of beating them, especially while we still have Martin, Molk, and these seniors.

coastal blue

November 20th, 2011 at 9:48 AM ^

because had they voted for a rematch - which they really should have. Had USC won out there would have been no controversy, but there is no way they should have jumped Florida - none of this "Big Ten is the worst, most overrated conference ever!" mentality would have ever surfaced. 

Michigan would have played OSU and the teams would have finished 1 and 2 in the rankings and no one would be any wiser that they were both frauds. 

Couple that with Penn State beating Tennessee and Wisconsin beating Arkansas that year and you have the Big Ten with 3 teams in the Top 5 and two victories over the SEC's next best teams...yeah the Big Ten would have been known as the best conference in college football. 

Instead, 32-11 and 41-14 happened. 

Space Coyote

November 20th, 2011 at 12:08 AM ^

LSU beat Alabama at Alabama.  I know it was a close game.  I know according to the "eye test" that they might appear like the two best teams.  But LSU already proved they could beat them even at Alabama.  It is the same argument I had against LSU replaying Oregon, who they smoked on a neurtral field.

Now if Michigan can lose a close game to OSU at OSU and not be rewarded with a rematch, even though according the to "eye test" they were the best two teams, then someone else should get a shot.  

IMO, the MNC should be LSU (if they win out) against the next highest rated opponent that they haven't beat already.  Be that Oklahoma, VT, Houston, I don't care, give some one a shot that hasn't proven that they will lose to LSU.

southern_yankee

November 20th, 2011 at 12:09 PM ^

This SEC lovefest is making me sick.  Yes, they are a very good football conference, but the only way to truly know this is for them to play other conferences.  They don't.  The Big12 imo is the best conference this year, and I don't think the B1G and Pac12 are as bad as everyone thinks.

If this comes to fruition, I will boycott watching the BCS title game by doing something particularly anti-SEC -- like reading a book.

swdude12

November 19th, 2011 at 11:42 PM ^

A team that does not win its own conference...let alone play in their conference championship should no way in hell be able to play for the National Championship. 

swdude12

November 19th, 2011 at 11:53 PM ^

Wiki

Nebraska then fell to Miami 14-37 in the Rose Bowl, but the controversy of these events led to more modifications to the BCS formula, which followed a pattern of seasonal tweaks dating back nearly to when the BCS system was implemented.

 

So I am assuming the BCS changed their scoring system because of this...i wonder how much this effects the BCS scoring.

rbgoblue

November 19th, 2011 at 11:57 PM ^

I believe the changes made to the BCS modified the credit a team receives for margin of victory, capping it at around 21 pts.  The computers were giving too much credit to teams that were running up the score.  I remember those loaded Miami teams mercilessly embarassing their opponents.

FGB

November 20th, 2011 at 12:01 AM ^

Oregon is still going to the Pac 12 CG (barring a shocking loss to Oregon State) to play an awful ASU team or an awful UCLA team, so the Oregon loss doesn't do a whole lot without other really surprising results.

The Oklahoma loss on the other hand is great, because the loser of Oklahoma State/Oklahoma is probably out now.  I think at this point, beat OSU and we're in.

Red is Blue

November 20th, 2011 at 7:58 AM ^

If Oregon wins out they get the PAC 12 auto which leaves a one loss, top 5, Stanford (assuming they win out) as the likely second from the PAC 12.  A long way to say, I don't think Oregon's loss necessarily means that the PAC 12 only get 1 into the BCS.

That being said, the OU/OSU Big 12 losses help our chance a lot.  The non-auto will have at least 2 losses with one or two of the losses coming very late in the year.

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 19th, 2011 at 11:48 PM ^

I can't believe that i'm agreeing with Lou Holtz at this point, but if LSU beats Arkansas, then just give them the NC if you're going to re-match.  They would have clearly demonstrated at that point they would be the best in the nation.  If you're not going to give someone else a shot, then what the hell is the point.  Also, the self-fufilling prophecy would be ridiculous; OMG SEC is the best because they win NC's!  Let's put two SEC teams in the NC!  OMG the SEC won another NC!  OMG SEC is the best because they win NCs!

funkywolve

November 20th, 2011 at 11:10 AM ^

Stanford will probably move up to 4th in the BCS rankings.  So if they beat ND and LSU beats Arkansas, Stanford will probably end up 3rd in the BCS which guarantees them a BCS berth.

VaTech - they might be 5th in the rankings and can quietly start making talk about being in the BCS title should be beat Virginia and Clemson.

death by wolverine

November 19th, 2011 at 11:58 PM ^

Just being a realest here, but LSU and Bama are the two best teams in the country. Question is, what if Arkansas beats LSU? Does Arkansas play LSU in the national championship or does Bama?

Huma

November 20th, 2011 at 8:33 AM ^

What if Ark beats LSU, which of Ark, LSU, and Bama goes to the SEC champ game? I believe the tie-break is highest BCS ranking. Let's say Ark beats LSU and jumps both teams in BCS rankings and then goes on to lose to Georgia in the SEC championship- then what happens? LSU and Bama could still potentially end up #1 and #2 and play each other in the MNC while neither of them even won the SEC West, let alone the SEC. The BCS is stupid.