Pending the outcome of the Oklahoma game, it's conceivable that LSU, Alabama and Arkansas will be 1,2 and 3 this week, basically sealing an all-SEC championship.
But who else is credible at this point?
Well it definitely isn't a "national" championship when both teams come from the same conference. LSU already proved themselves superior to Bama (at Bama - no excuses), so it would be nice to see them play someone else.
In 2006, the two lines of thought were: no rematch, and you can't play in the NC if you didn't win your conference.
Kansas State wins 35-7 over Oklahoma in the Big12 championship game yet the sooners still play in the BCS Championship game.
Yes, someone also pointed out Nebraska in 2001 fit this criteria as well. That said, neither of those games were rematches of games played earlier in the season.
What I was pointing out, however, was that in 2006, the widespread opinion of the voters (likely influenced by an SEC media campaign to get Florida in the championship game) was that Michigan did not deserve a spot because they didn't win the Big 10 (despite their only loss being by 3 on the road to the #1 team in the country). Obviously, since 2006, the SEC has changed their tune.
furthermore, how great of a rematch would it have been in 2006... LSU - Alabama will probably be close the second time as well, but that will be b/c no one will score.
It would have been great for us, but we weren't the best two teams in the country. I hope everyone remembers how the national championship and Rose Bowl went that year.
LSU plays Arkansas next week, while Alabama plays Auburn in the Iron Bowl. Nothing "sealed" yet.
Better than a rematch IME.
Fuck them and every media member who rallied against UM-OSU rematch in 2006
You hit it right on the head.
I've been watching the games today dreading that Alabama comes out on top. Here's to hoping Oklahoma can pull it out at Baylor and end up leaping over them the same way Florida did with us in '06.
if our only loss was by 3 on the road at the #1 team in the country and we didn't get a rematch then nobody should get a rematch. No-bo-dy. Nobody!
And as for LSU-Alabama we had that game a few weeks ago.
Any team can still beat any team. There should be no rematch. Either Lsu or Alabama could still get torched by a great team they haven't seen yet. Remember this rating system that sets up the nc game is asinine. Just bc Arkansas has been creeping up by winning doesn't mean they're near the 3rd best team. And IMO Alabama should lose a few spots in the polls for giving up 21 points, under 10 yards away from 28 points, and over 300 yards rushing to Georgia Southern, an FCS team, at home this week. Shows they're not the #2 team no matter how close Lsu/Alabama was, which may have been just match up.
This ranking system is crap and comes down to eyes of voters who have biases about conferences that rarely play each other. And then the rankings dont support the outcomes. Remember very mediocre Penn st only lost like 24-11 to Alabama. Neither bama nor Arkansas should be in the nc game.
Honestly, when it comes to bama, I'd like to play them right now. I think we have a strong chance of beating them, especially while we still have Martin, Molk, and these seniors.
Your signature says it all.
It's pretty clear they're the best. I'd only be really pissed if LSU lost in the SEC championship and still got into the NC. That would be a similar situation. They played early in the season so it's only mildly infuriating instead of Why Crable Why level infuriating
it's possible for them to lose to Georgia, one of only two SEC teams to actually play competitive football against Kentucky, rather than playing can we put up more points than kentucky's basketball team -or- let's play football our team is going to count in dog years.
Agreed/ Everyone who votes for Alabama this year and railed against us in '06 can go fuck themselves.
Except those people were right? OSU got destroyed and so did we. I have no problem with an "SEC bias", honestly. They have proven time and time again that they are the most dominant conference. It wasn't necessarily evident in 2006. It damn sure is now.
because had they voted for a rematch - which they really should have. Had USC won out there would have been no controversy, but there is no way they should have jumped Florida - none of this "Big Ten is the worst, most overrated conference ever!" mentality would have ever surfaced.
Michigan would have played OSU and the teams would have finished 1 and 2 in the rankings and no one would be any wiser that they were both frauds.
Couple that with Penn State beating Tennessee and Wisconsin beating Arkansas that year and you have the Big Ten with 3 teams in the Top 5 and two victories over the SEC's next best teams...yeah the Big Ten would have been known as the best conference in college football.
Instead, 32-11 and 41-14 happened.
LSU beat Alabama at Alabama. I know it was a close game. I know according to the "eye test" that they might appear like the two best teams. But LSU already proved they could beat them even at Alabama. It is the same argument I had against LSU replaying Oregon, who they smoked on a neurtral field.
Now if Michigan can lose a close game to OSU at OSU and not be rewarded with a rematch, even though according the to "eye test" they were the best two teams, then someone else should get a shot.
IMO, the MNC should be LSU (if they win out) against the next highest rated opponent that they haven't beat already. Be that Oklahoma, VT, Houston, I don't care, give some one a shot that hasn't proven that they will lose to LSU.
This SEC lovefest is making me sick. Yes, they are a very good football conference, but the only way to truly know this is for them to play other conferences. They don't. The Big12 imo is the best conference this year, and I don't think the B1G and Pac12 are as bad as everyone thinks.
If this comes to fruition, I will boycott watching the BCS title game by doing something particularly anti-SEC -- like reading a book.
A team that does not win its own conference...let alone play in their conference championship should no way in hell be able to play for the National Championship.
They shouldn't. But they sometimes do. Remember Nebraska in 2001? They lost their final game to Colorado 62-36, didn't win or play for the Big 12 title, still went to the national championship game.
Nebraska then fell to Miami 14-37 in the Rose Bowl, but the controversy of these events led to more modifications to the BCS formula, which followed a pattern of seasonal tweaks dating back nearly to when the BCS system was implemented.
So I am assuming the BCS changed their scoring system because of this...i wonder how much this effects the BCS scoring.
I believe the changes made to the BCS modified the credit a team receives for margin of victory, capping it at around 21 pts. The computers were giving too much credit to teams that were running up the score. I remember those loaded Miami teams mercilessly embarassing their opponents.
and got pounded my miami (ytm)
As much as I hate the SEC, and as much as I agree with what you are saying, who else is there... I hope somehow a #2 emerges that can even be argueably as good as Alabama. And even if Oklahoma wins, they aren't looking good.
Question: Doesn't both Oregon and Oklahoma losing increase our chances of a BCS bowl?
Oregon is still going to the Pac 12 CG (barring a shocking loss to Oregon State) to play an awful ASU team or an awful UCLA team, so the Oregon loss doesn't do a whole lot without other really surprising results.
The Oklahoma loss on the other hand is great, because the loser of Oklahoma State/Oklahoma is probably out now. I think at this point, beat OSU and we're in.
There are a couple weeks of games left and Ark @ LSU & Bama @ Auburn are next week.
Woundn't a rematch (if lsu and alabama end up 1 and 2) in the nation title game be BAD for collage football?
Seems like I remeber someone saying this in 2006...
Not bad ...
Pac 12 should only get 1 with Oregon's 2nd loss
Big 12 only 1 with OkSt loss (and potential [probable?]) Oklahoma loss
If Oregon wins out they get the PAC 12 auto which leaves a one loss, top 5, Stanford (assuming they win out) as the likely second from the PAC 12. A long way to say, I don't think Oregon's loss necessarily means that the PAC 12 only get 1 into the BCS.
That being said, the OU/OSU Big 12 losses help our chance a lot. The non-auto will have at least 2 losses with one or two of the losses coming very late in the year.
I can't believe that i'm agreeing with Lou Holtz at this point, but if LSU beats Arkansas, then just give them the NC if you're going to re-match. They would have clearly demonstrated at that point they would be the best in the nation. If you're not going to give someone else a shot, then what the hell is the point. Also, the self-fufilling prophecy would be ridiculous; OMG SEC is the best because they win NC's! Let's put two SEC teams in the NC! OMG the SEC won another NC! OMG SEC is the best because they win NCs!
I laughed as I read your self-fulfilling prophecy... and I cried because of how realistic that narrative could be in a couple weeks.
You know who the happiest team in the land is this Saturday? Oklahoma State.
Not quite. Okie State needed oklahoma to win tonight. Now a victory in the bedlam game won't mean nearly as much.
I'm pretty sure that would be Arkansas/Va Tech. OSU still is pisssed over their loss last night.
Stanford will probably move up to 4th in the BCS rankings. So if they beat ND and LSU beats Arkansas, Stanford will probably end up 3rd in the BCS which guarantees them a BCS berth.
VaTech - they might be 5th in the rankings and can quietly start making talk about being in the BCS title should be beat Virginia and Clemson.
perhaps the 5 weeks of collective apathy leading up to the national championship game will remind people how stupid the bowl system is.
Just being a realest here, but LSU and Bama are the two best teams in the country. Question is, what if Arkansas beats LSU? Does Arkansas play LSU in the national championship or does Bama?
What if Ark beats LSU, which of Ark, LSU, and Bama goes to the SEC champ game? I believe the tie-break is highest BCS ranking. Let's say Ark beats LSU and jumps both teams in BCS rankings and then goes on to lose to Georgia in the SEC championship- then what happens? LSU and Bama could still potentially end up #1 and #2 and play each other in the MNC while neither of them even won the SEC West, let alone the SEC. The BCS is stupid.
Oklahoma choke job.
Fcuk Oklahoma (and the Big 12 for that matter).
As we learned from the Nebraska experience today: they're just not that good.
Calls the timeout, tempting the 2nd-most electrifying player to run down the field and deny them overtime.
Big Game Bob
An atom bomb just went off in the big 12
we might have even gotten some NC chatter. sheesh. the BCS is stupid
If we'd beaten MSU (and lost to Iowa) we'd control our destiny to the B1G chamionship game against either a flawed Wiscy or a no-offense PSU, and we'd DEFINITELY be getting NC game chatter.
Borges, I love you this week, but damn that was a dumb call on 4th and inches. sigh.