sorry guys I had a photo of the lockeroom that had a nameplate with jabrill peppers #2 on it. How do you post pics?
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
Who is #1?
I think that's Nelly.
Never noticed he disses Da'Shawn Hand at the beginning until now
He spit hot fire.
YOU ARE NUMBER SIX.
I am not a number. I am a free man.
I will not make any deals with you. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own. I resign.
Loved the TV show!!!
Love the Simpsons spoof of the TV show too.
Smitty Werbenjagermanjensen. He was #1
Yes I was. yes...I was.
Who is #1 then?
edit: beaten to the joke.
"Well, if he was the Son of Sam, who the fuck was Sam?"
I've seen some pretty strange posts throughout the years, but this one may take the cake.
So someone got the #1. My guess is Harris.
I missed something, If we give out the #2 then #1 has to be given out also ? if so maybe Funchess id hope because i want #1 to be earned not given before a player plays..Maybe the legend #87 will be someone else..maybe Jake..SPECULATION EVERYWHERE !!!
Apparently you missed the #1 jersey hanging next to #2 in the picture.
I highly, highly doubt anyone has been given the #1. Yet.
And lets not forget, Peppers is a special case; being given the #2 may be the one thing he doesn't have to earn on this team. If that's the case, so be it.
What I suspect is that after a year or two of Jabrill wearing the #2 jersey the staff/school/whatever will cristened it with a Charles Woodson legacy patch. Make it official.
If Jabrill ends up somehow surpassing Woodson, great, if not, well... you can shoot for the stars and still land in the clouds.
Looks like the jersey to the left is #1
Or is it the number 1 that proceeds a number such as 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 19, etc. ...
It appears unlikely that your suspicion is correct. On the arm, we can see that the number at least begins with a 1. Your observation of that is correct, but there are more details to glean.
On the leftmost edge of the photo, we see a thin fraction of a number on the chest. Usually that wouldn't be enough to be helpful but, the fraction we see on the chest is of a tall number, unbroken from top to bottom. In Michigan's numbering font, that can only be a "1." But of all the details viewable here, the characteristic most fingerprinty of a #1 jersey is that the number on the chest is centered precisely under the adidas logo.
Not only does the jersey begin and end with a "1," but it also has only one "1".
Either the jersey is hanging there for absolutely no reason, or it's been given out this year. Funchess? Harris? Canteen? Darboh? Chesson? They all seem unlikely. Because of the Kramerishness, Funchess is easily eliminated. Harris wasn't even the best newcomer this spring. Canteen getting it would be a slap in the face to Harris. Darboh hasn't even played in a game. And Chesson had a lukewarm debut.
under the adidas logo. Tough to argue it's anything but a number "1" jersey. Devin Funchess?
Excellent deduction Sherlock.
Who knows. I just assumed it was #1 since 1 comes before 2.
Left to right, these three jerseys may well be ordered #1 - #2 - #3.
That's too good of a logical answer to an easy question for our minds to handle.
I'm not usually a grammar nazi, but....
That's too bad of a written sentence that could have been an easy response for my mind to handle.
Todd Howard legend's patch???
Can't I dream
If you're trying to post an image, upload it to a photo sharing service first (I use Photobucket, but there are numerous options) and then paste the URL - which it will generate for you - into the OP in plain text mode. It should work then. As a note, you might want to resize the photo so it fits conveniently into the box provided - for headers, roughly 500 pixels for the length on this site, but remember to scale it appropriately.
OMG!!!! But he didn't earn it. Seriously KEWL story bro
Thanks LSA, it was a member of a Michigan group on Facebook, that took a pic of the lockeroom. upload shortly
That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!
OH MY GOD YES
The whole idea of giving someone a retired number is bad. Singling out a player as being special is bad for team chemistry. It is in conflict with the Bo's view of the "the team". I would rather go back to the days that players received decals for plays on the field.
It's just a number.
You think Blake is happy?
Vincent Smith wore it in 2012, for example.
it is supposed to be special. It cannot be good for team chemistry. I cannot imagine something like this taking place when Bo was HC. He gave away decals and players coveted those. I lived in FB's dorm during my freshman year and I remember that it was a big deal if a player got multiple decals after a game.
Nothing like jumping to the most nefarious of all conclusions based on your freshman dorm life of deacdes past. My first thought was, "Jabrill must be the most excited college freshman in the world. I'm happy because he's probably happy. Happy, Happy, Happy!"
On the other hand, you:
Why is it "supposed to be special"?
Because an awesome player wore it previously? Should we not use all of the other, unretired numbers too?
This is dumb, it isn't a retired, or legacy jersey. Vincent Smith wore it two years ago. Vincent. Smith.
You're missing my point entirely. I'm all for Jabrill getting the #2.
to getting lectured by a fan about giving out 'special' numbers? Last season was the only year since Woodson left that the #2 jersey hasn't been worn. Most years it was given to two players. It's always been given out to freshmen. This time it's going to ruin the team chemistry? OK you seem to be an expert.
Cato June was special, man!
But it's Jabrill MF Peppers
I think I just rolled my eyes so hard that I pulled my superior rectus muscle. That's the muscle that controls eye rolling. I think. I wasn't totally clear on which muscle did what based on those Wikipedia diagrams.
Needless to say, though, your comment made me roll my eyes to a great extent to express my exasperation and disbelief!
It's a number. Blake may want to keep his number. It's also a number that has always been worn since Woodson. Shawn Crable and Vincent Smith both had it as freshman.
People make a big deal out of #1 being earned even though that's never been true except for Braylon and then after him.
#2 has NEVER been like that. Ever.
At what point do you stop going batshit crazy over numbers? Does #77 have to be earned? That's far more prestigious than #2 if you look at the talent that has worn it.
What are you talking about team chemistry. How about Peppers actually be GOOD...THAT is fucking GREAT for team chemistry.
That was literally the strangest hissy fit I've ever seen on this site. I had to make sure you weren't joking because it was just weird.
I almost wonder how you felt about Caris LeVert wearing #23 as a freshman. Almost.
getting a #2 Jersey because I thought Justin Turner was the next woodson....please let this be different.
Maybe Blake wants to keep his number.
I GUARANTEE you that he or Raymon will be wearing #11 this fall. I'm more confident in Countess getting it, though.
Remember, #11 and #21 must be given out this year.
Why wouldn't there be viable candidates? This is Michigan FERGODSAKES!!!!!!!!!!
The goal of the program is to get those numbers on the field yearly, to make sure those Legends are remembered forever.
#21 and #11 are up for grabs this year. My picks are Chesson and Countess.
Why couldn't Wilson wear it?
Kovacs and Avery both wore it as safeties, why not Wilson? Not like Avery was a starter or played a ton. Wilson should do both.
Just wondering how you can guarantee (with all caps) something that none of us have a clue about. Especially when I kind of just presented a very realistic alternative.
I'm not making a big deal out of it, and I'm really not in a position to speak about Blake Countess' current emotional state.
For some reason I think he's probably a little bit itchy right now.
I'm guessing your little brother was better than you at sports
Perhaps numbers shouldn't be given out at all, and each player should just be assigned a CAPTCHA.
I am in favor of this.
In order to tackle this player you must enter the following phrase:
Yeah, giving Braylon #1 really hurt Michigan. They only won back-to-back Big Ten Championships when he was given it after being told he "had to earn it".
Interesting stat: The last three years the #1 has been on the field, Michigan has won the Big Ten.
I seriously hope they get rid of that "earn it" thing and just give the #1 jersey to a freshman receiver. It saddens me that that number hasn't been out there in 10 years.
2 is not retired....Cato June, Shawn crable, and Vincent Smith all wore it. I'm sure some other less notable players wore it as well. Something tells me that jabrill requested the number and wants to prove something....that excites me.
And Justin Turner.
and Sam McGuffie
And didn't Rodriguez get a bunch of shit for that for not appreciating Michigan tradition properly?
You win. This argument is closed.
DB might hear you. Don't need to give that... man... anymore ideas.
Man? Everyone knows he is a robot sent from the future to push Shitty product on us all. #theBRAND #isPOOP
Way, way too much of. an incompetent tit to be a robot.
WTF is an "alumnist?" You mean alumnus, bro.
Thanks LSA again! looks like the pic posted haha.
This got me jacked. Where are the "There are..." posts? I'll admit, I'm too lazy to take them on myself.
...I can't stand the location of the adidas logo centered above the number, looks like a fuckin circonflexe from a distance.
Frankly, I wish they'd keep their dirty logo off our jerseys but if they must, then couldn't it at least be towards the right shoulder? Maybe use it to balance out the stupid B1G logo too.
That's pretty cool, excitement level elevated !!!
It's like you're back from the future!
Put a BIG logo on there and I'll consider the internet won
but don't quit your day job haha
Peppers looks taller in these pics. Like 2 inches taller...
I am so over all of the numbers nonsense. They can give the number 1 to a punter at this point for all I care. At least someone will be wearing it for once.
This is an abomiation! First press boxes, then scoreboards and now this!!!!!! What's next? Cars that drive themselves?
Elon Musk nods accordingly
Oh jeez BO haha talk about expectations.
This. I approve of it.
Jabrill Peppers retweeted me. We are also both class of 2014 HS graduates. Therefore, we are bros.
Seriously though, I love how pumped we're getting over a jersey number being assigned to a player. But at Michigan, every jersey number has a story.
Ugh. Why are you tweeting Jabrill Peppers?
Well it's much less creepy considering Peppers is actually following him on twitter, they're the same age. If one high schooler follows/tweets another, whatever.
He's signed already and is the same age as me. I figured there's no harm in it.
At least I'm not 30+ tweeting an 18 year old. Or worse, tweeting a player on another team nasty things.
Yeah it's fairly low on the tweeting creepiness scale, but I still wouldn't recommend it.
Calm down old man. Yeezus says it's cool.
As long as you don't go off on him for a subpar performance I don't care
He's not exactly a recruit.
I know I'm late to this party but when I read Wolverine Devotee's post on tweeting Peppers I literally let out an audible "ugh".
And then - the very first response was you with an "ugh". Why do people insist on tweeting total and complete strangers regardless of their percieved "connection". I do not get it.
Perhaps it would be helpful if Brian and other bloggers, say from 11W, wrote articles with helpful hints and posted them on the front page for others to read.
OMW OMW OMW OMW OMW *FANS SELF* *FAINTS*
it seems marginally OK for an 18-yr-old recent HS Grad to tweet an 18-yr-old football player who is soon to begin his CFB career.
But what's to stop some 30-yr-old (or 40? or 50? or 60?, etc.) from pretending to be just an incoming college freshman is this scenerio? I just think it's best to ratchet down the "hero-worship" a little bit and show extreme restraint when thinking about tweeting a kid who is yet to play a single down at The Big House.
I could not be more ready for Michigan Football!
I...don't know how I feel about this.
I am 100% for it. He's the best player Michigan has brought in since Charles. He's a freak.
Woodson played TB in high school and wasn't that highly sought after, nationally.
I hate the legacy number thing. How will a player ever get to make his own legacy? I'd honestly want to keep my own number.
I mean if peppers wants to, he can. Initially he just wanted to keep number 5, but he started coming around to the #2 idea.
In my opinion, it's close to being the dumbest idea ever in college sports, right alongside the retiring of jersey numbers in the first place. Unless college football is going to expand jersey numbers out to 3 digits, it find it all kind of dumb.
I'm glad TB Mel Anthony wore No. 37, but I'm also very glad WR Jim Smith did too, And FB Bob Perriman after that. And LB Erick Anderson after that. And LB Jarrett Irons after that.
Each of these players were very special and made huge plays for the Michigan football team. They are all remembered for their contributions and their jersey numbers.
Anthony Carter, Greg McMurtry, David Alexander, Braylon Edwards were all spectactular too wearing No. 1 in their own way.
But what good are all these great numbers, if kids can't even play with them anymore? I think the practice kind of diminishes new players from making their own great story at Michigan, having to live in the shadow of prior giants. Screw that. Everyone knows past is important.....for purposes of tradition. But living off the past, or living in it are both ill advised.
Peppers getting No. 2 is really cool. I understand the choice.
In some ways, I wish he'd have picked little-used No. 39 or 38 or 46 at Michigan, to sort of say "screw it, I'm my own person, and I'll make my own damn legacy here, thank you".
Those players are remembered as legends because of what they did on the field. People remember Braylon as #1 as well as AC because each was amazing. If Peppers (or any other player using the same number as a former M legend) has an amazing, legendary career at M, he will likewise be remembered for his #, just like those before him. Having or not having the legends program will not change that.
I like the legends designation for #s of former Michigan players and hope that someday we have multiple players at those same numbers designated as legends. It was a bold decision by the athletic dept and it makes us stand out even more than other programs because of our history and tradition.
this drama detracts from the team concept in my mind. Let's send all the legend jersey athletes to SEAL camp and see what kind of respect that garners them. I say hand out the numbers and let the chips fall where they may (including the legends jerseys.) This will create an atmosphere where (with double digit numbers) all jerseys will be legend jerseys sooner rather than later.
The way it's going...the numbers are changing before the players have a chance to leave their own legacy. The possibility of generating additional legacy traditions is diminished by moving high performing or promising athletes to existing legacy jerseys.
I will say it again. A player will be remembered as a legend by his actions on the field, regardless if he is the first, second, third, or nth great player to don a particular jersey number.
It's wasted time evaluating players with respect to their number and not their play. They gave up helmet decal game week awards for this reason.
Honors like this are best left for banquets when a player's career is over when coaches, players and even fans can appreciate a player for what they have accomplished. I'd rather the coaches spend this time coaching instead of fulfilling legacy requirements - to assign jerseys annually, leave that to the equipment manager.
Jersey numbers resonate as in my mind when I see players on the field. I will always associate Leach with 7 and Lytle with 41 (who played as 25 as an under classmen.) If performance is all that matters - let's swap jerseys every game based on who has a better practice week.
and Derrick Alexander combined into one human being.
How do you make your own legacy? By your actions on the field. Jersey number doesn't matter
Any player is forced to wear them??
They do that for most visits.
Seriously though, that is a horrible picture. Why cut off the jersey and why not get a little more in the pic? Come on.
"Who is Number 1."
"That would be telling..."
"I am not a number, I am a free man!"
I don't care about jersey numbers.
Coach McGary sez: Win the Game!
Didn't Vincent Smith wear #2?
It's important to know whether this is an up-to-date photo or from a past recruiting visit.
IF it's recent, then the most interesting thing is what's on the photo's lefthand side. Given the evidence on the arm (that the number begins with a "1"), chest numeral (the number ends in a 1), and chest numeral placement (alignment precisely under the adidas logo tells us this is a #1 jersey and not a #11 jersey), it would appear the jersey was recently hanging for either (a) no reason at all or (b) because someone got it.
Earlier in this thread, I wrote about how it doesn't really make sense for any of the receivers to be getting a #1 jersey right now (Funchess, Chesson, Darboh, Harris, Canteen). But it isn't strictly insane to wonder whether the coaches might change their minds about Funchess's jersey.
Maybe it doesn't make sense for him to have a TE legacy jersey now that he's switched positions. A tempting hypothesis compels us to ask whether the #87 might have been freed up by a Funchess move to #1 (by far the most deserving player on the roster). In such a world, Jake Butt could be a fitting wearer of #87.
I agree. My first thought was that this must be from a recruiting trip.
In the locker room, don't positions sit together? That's how we were in HS. If so, it wouldn't make sense for #1 (WR) to be next to #2 (DB)
Unless Jabrill is splitting duties already... /rumormongering
The locker room is not in position groups.
I went on a stadium tour in 2012 and Bill Austin (longtime tourguide at Michigan Stadium) said one of the first things Hoke changed was breaking away from the position "groups" and into regular numerical order.
Story checks out boys
that Hoke went away from numerical seating and to position group seating. It was some kind of mini-story about the difference between his approach and RR's. A couple quick Google searches didn't turn up anything relevant but it's been like three and a half years, so that's not too surprising.
A certain #2 once said after a mediocre season the year before: ''How about we just win?''.
This is a mistake. Better to make your own number than live in a shadow of another. I dont like this at all
Uh oh. Have you notified the coaching staff?
good one. i actually laughed. Ill take it further and say that i cannot stand the patch. btw where in nyc r u ? Im in rvc on long island
Ha, well thank you for taking my snide comment in stride.
I'm up in Washington Heights in upper Manhattan. I was out in Long Island not that long ago, and I hadn't realized how much I miss things like free standing homes and trees.
If you're going to wear that number, Peppers, then make sure you do it justice. Normally I'd say pick your own number and forge your own legacy, but many great linemen have worn #77, and the same goes with receivers and #1. Why not allow the great corners to wear #2?
I know I'm way late to the party, but the "How do you post pics?" just reminds me of this
I don't worry about his number, but i certainly hope he carefully follows the washing/drying instruction label, that jersey looks like it would almost fit my 10 year old daughter.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think getting worked up about jersey numbers is kinda silly. Guys will wear numbers. Most of them will be different from other ones.
Maybe they can just give each player his own unique alternative jersey. Shoulder stripes for you, piping for you, some kind of foam latex body suit for that guy.
The #1 jersey use to be the only one that received special attention and was given to our top wide receiver. Now the jersey number situation has gone a little overboard with the fan base and the school. I know #2 isn't a legacy yet. Though Some kids are going to feel pressured into accepting a legacy number, when they would prefer to wear another jersey number.
Though they’ll probably feel it’s disrespectful to turn down a legacy jersey. Many people fail to realize that playing sports is part psychological. Some players do get mentally connected to wearing certain jersey numbers… some to the point of superstition.
Shane Morris looks real nice wearing #7 and he may feel comfortable with that jersey. Though he’ll probably be asked to give it up, and run around with a big 98 on his back. Something that could mess up his psyche and disrupt his comfort level.
Tom Harmon was a great player and a statue should be built along with his jersey being retired. Though lets be honest, in today’s game, #98 is an awkward looking number for anybody other than a defensive linemen to be wearing. The other legacy jersey numbers at least fit their respective positions.
Agreed. They should be used on a rotating basis. We don't need a new #21 every year. Let it happen once every 5-10 years.
It's a terrible qb number. Though an honor to wear it will never look right in today's game.
I was hoping he'd choose π
I'm sure Vincent Smith will say some are reading to much into it.
I thought you were talking about the depth chart. Would be nice to see him take over in first year.
If anyone really thinks his success or failure at Michigan will depend on what number he is wearing, you must be joking. Right? RIGHT?
Maybe he can wear 4.32 and skip right to the NFL combine???
I just read this whole thread...wow. I'm always on this site but never post, but after seeing everyone freak out about numbers I just have to say...everyone just cool out. It's been said by others but get over it. They can hand out whatever number they please. Good for Peppers.
You may be right about this being a recruiting prop, but if you pay close attention to the distance between Jabrill's nameplate and the edge of his locker, you'll see that your comment that the adjacent lockers don't have nameplates is baseless. They wouldn't be in the photo whether there or not. So that "evidence" of this being from a recruiting trip is equivocal. If it's from a recruiting trip (an important question to answer if we want to put this behind us), then this would *likely* be a picture that's already been in circulation. Can we find a 12-month-old match?
The jersey to the right appears to be #13. You can see what looks to be a tip of a one. This calls into question that the jersey on the left is #1, since the jerseys do NOT appear to be in numerical order.
I concur with your arguments. If it were simply done by position group, the 13 could be Terry Richardson.
False. The "angled tip that stops abruptly" that we see on the right could be the upper left hand corner of many numbers. In the Michigan numeral font, a 3 is one of them. It's equivocal.
Meanwhile the one on the left is absolutely a #1 jersey. The arm proves it begins with a one. The chest numeral (because it displays a numeral whose right border extends as an unbroken block from the top until the picture ends halfway down its length) is only consistent with a "1", so it appears the jersey is either a #1 or a #11. But the most telling trait of all is the fact that the chest numeral is centered *precisely* under the midline Adidas logo.
That tells us that the arm numeral is the only numeral.
This post was meant as a reply to TheBarwisEffect (7:51).
The angled tip is way too short to be anything other than a 1, IMHO.
Not to mention the number is further left on the jersey than the 2 on the middle jersey, further fueling the idea that the jersey on the right has two digits.
I want to know who #3 is! 3 is like 2+1 combined!
I hope they give Peppers the #2 jersey, especially if they even hinted at it during recruiting. Then again I also thought Gallon should have worn #1 last year...he earned it. No disrespect to #21 intended.
I think every locker had a jersey hanging in it. Notice how there's no plate on #1 though?
We can't say whether there's a nameplate over that jersey. If we pay attention to the spacing between the locker border and the beginning of the Peppers nameplate, we see that neither adjacent locker could possible show its nameplate in this close-up photo. Bust out your ruler if you don't believe me.
Because I have to pretend I have a fandom limit in order for people to take me seriously, I'm going to believe you.
This ruler in my hand? Um, I'm measuring the diameter of my coffee mug. Does it look too wide to you?
No doubt I'm a fan and that brought me in reach of a question about a barely visible Michigan jersey. But my tendency to try to answer it the way I've been--to be quasi-verbose, detail-oriented, equivocate where necessary, and express myself at least semi-quantitatively so long as it's possible--are more emblematic of my occupational hazards than my fandom problems. Though there's no doubt I have those problems..
but I think that all of the "#1" talk was a reference to a show called "The Prisoner" and not an actual statement about the #1 jersey
who is 24601?