it's amazing that espn has two really good college football writers - maisel and feldman and yet continues to employ forde and schlabach who are just downright dreadful.
Logic from Maisel
slabach >>>>>>>>> forde
yeah, but that's like asking if i want shit on rye or shit on wheat. i like rye better, but i'm still getting a turd sandwich.
You should read Bennett, and worse, look at anything that Andrea Adelson is even associated with. My God, do they even proofread the crap they put together?
It's the same thing as 97.1 employing Valenti & Foster. It doesn't matter how stupid and fact-less the things they say are. All that matters is that they are entertaining when they say it.
his title for his week 9 picks blog is "Sorry, Kirk Cousins, it ends here". Little Brother's first loss cant come soon enough. Go Hawkeyes....and
I agree. Unfortunately Rittenberg did recently do a piece that wandered into the territory of "Cliche Job Security/Must-Win Game" articles.
Yeah but even then I don't really recall him saying a number of games. Either way, Rittenberg seems to be pretty analytical when it comes to his opinions, it's not like he just talks to hear himself.
At the risk of exposing my ignorance, what is CW?
... which doubtlessly will now be shortened to BE'd! across the webs. At what point will we dispense with words altogether?
Mini rant over. I shall now go and yell at the neighborhood kids to get off my lawn.
Maybe it is because Maisel and Rittenberg actually pay attention to annoying little things like FACTS instead of just hearing one little tidbit or seeing one purposely-misleading headline and make assumptions-galore.
Also Woolfolk. (Assuming he wasn't counted the first time around.)
He is not happy when he is forgotten about. an you won't like him when he is upset.
I think Maisel actually did count him - either Woolfolk or Huyge. If you consider Huyge a returning starter (he'll probably replace Dorrestein) and swap Rogers for Woolfolk, we'll have 19 returning starters (10 offense, 9 defense).
Or he may have been counting Hagerup.
Unless, of course, that win is against OSU
If I may analogize. My local paper frequently runs Letters to the Editor from a person they know is using a pseudonym because the letters are just shy of the insane ravings of a madman*. They have run them with greater frequency in recent months, going so far as to republish the same letter several editions in a row on their online site. I initially thought this was a mistake until I realized their motivation. People comment on the letter, they complain about the letter, the letter writer and his band of trolling pseudonyms counter attack, leading to counterpoints by the initial commenters. Why do they do it? Page hits! People keep coming back to the site to check for new comments. Every time they do, more page views. This drives up their revenue in an area that is generally seen as more of a public service than anything.
Why do ESPN and other MSM outlets keep the "Rodriguez is on the hot seat" meme alive? Page views! People will talk about it, comment it, link it, debate it, write counterpoints. There is smoke but no fire because the smoke is artifically created to make you think there's fire, and most people don't take the time to investigate what actually happened.
*-Seriously, his topic of choice this month is the evil conspiracy that is Daylight Savings Time.
That explains the "There is no truth to the recent ESPN story that Rich Rodriguez eats children" story I saw on ESPN.
/Looks at watch
Yep. Too soon.
can you link to the Daylight Savings Time Conspiracy letter? I could use a good laugh.
From a good source McGloin starter for game Saturday.
Those, sir, are some big words. Are you SURE you want to invoke the Megan-Fox-nailing, unexpected-commitment-predicting, future-knowing Raback?
If so... well done.
Yes. I am sure. And if it doesn't come to fruition, I will gladly accept the suitable punishment.
That is probably one of the funniest letters to the editor I have ever read. I hope the letter was intended to be humorous, or else someone has no idea about reality (proximity of earth to sun, origins of DST, when DST historically goes on/off, etc.)
All in all - thanks for the good read.
also, can someone photoshop some bongos in front of this little sucker to represent our "cicada rythyms?"
But I can give you this:
At the root of it is there are large groups of people who truly enjoy watching the suffering and bad fortune of others. See Star Magazine, National Enquirer, etc. etc. Sad.
"Rodriguez the back woods rube who is in over his head" is the chosen fog to hover over and dump acid rain.
Add to that, the story appeals to the "I'm done" reflex of a lot of casual Michigan fans.
Rating's Gold on all fronts.
Wait, so you are saying that ESPN has a smoke machine that blows out bullshit??
All my relatives that live in Indiana seem to think that Daylight Savings Time is some evil conspiracy. We have not heard the end of this not that the whole state of Indiana is on Daylight Savings Time. Fun stuff.
we are effectively brining back more than 18 starters seeing as demens seems to have all but replaced ezeh. Really, if you look at solid-good contributors, we’re only losing mouton and schilling.
Have to include Webb in there, has been a big part of the run game, surpassed Koger for playing time.
a 6-7 MSU and one that currently stands at 8-0? Experience and not losing a lot of contributors? It hasn't been superstar freshmen recruits that cured all MSU's ills from last year. That won't be our salvation either. Experience will.
Yes, but he'll most likely be replaced by Huyge, who is basically a returning starter. Schilling and Mouton are the only guys (now that Black is sharing time with Banks in the DE rotation) leaving without an experienced replacement - although I guess you could argue that we still haven't replaced Olesnavage at kicker from last year.
With all the negativity and drama that has surrounded Rich Rod, I am amazed how well he has kept his composure and stayed positive throughout the process. And for that I tip my hat. I know if other coaches were in his sitiuation they may have acted a lil crazy by now.
No, no, no.... don't you know that RR has done a bad job dealing with the media, and that he isn't likeable? Get your narratives straight!
I heard he gave those kids at Mott cancer!
This is what I have been thinking about for several weeks, and actually since RR arrived.
He is a genuinely nice guy. Everybody who deals with him likes him, especially his players. He is good at recruiting. He is intelligent in football, and makes reasoned decisions in a timely manner.
Furthermore, he is always a pleasant, engaging, and intelligent interview. And he is open to the public.
All of this despite the setbacks and the controversy and the prejudice.
He represents our university well.
He is a "Michigan Man".
It was refreshing to read that from Maisel. I am not sure what is happening at ESPN, there seems to be an outbreak of rationality wrt Michigan. It appears that Bruce Feldman has been afflicted for some time, but lately is becoming contagious. Here's hoping for an epidemic.
Ivan Maisel is one of the few guys left on ESPN who realize that the sports are supposed to be the attraction and not the network. He deserves better than that pile of idiocy.
He and Gene Wojowhatsisface make a great podcasts on Mondays.
Dave Brandon would be insane to fire RR after the season. With the first-ever night game at the BIg House and against Notre Dame and then a 2012 season opener on a Thursday Night against Bama, starting over again would probablt drive him into politics.
7-5 or better and RR is guaranteed to stay. With the timeBrandon spends around the football program these days, I trust his judgement either way, but I just can't picture a change at the HC.
the Bama game is not on a thursday night, it is on a saturday.
...RR is a good coach and given time he could bring Michigan not only back to respectability but to a level beyond.
That being said, if Brandon feels that a change needs to be made for the benifit of the university, even if he finishes 8-4, he needs to pull the trigger and get someone in here who he feels can do it.
I trust DB to be a very smart man who knows this university, football in general and the politics that dictate the timing of neccessary moves.
I still think this weekend shapes up as a huge one for RichRod. Win and the monkey should be off his back--confidence will rise. Lose and neither of the next two will look as easy; the hounds will be back in full cry.
Lose and neither of the next two will look as easy; the hounds will be back in full cry.
They don't look easy now. UM is almost over the hump, I think. Finish the season at 7-5 or better and that gets RR another year and there will be real progress in 2011 (event hough the schedule is dicey with tough Big 10 opponents on the road for the most part). Anything less...well...you're right about the hounds and they would have a justifiable position (even though I would be on the other side of that argument).
This is the way is looks to me: RR's future as coach and UM's near future as a football team rest squarely on the shoulders of a talented, but, young offense with a JV defense. If the kids can play mistake free football for 3 weeks in a row, they should win at least 2 or 3 and it's all good for RR. I'm really hoping they pull through, but, that is a risky proposition.
2011 sets up great by comparison.
Returning starters in 2011:
QB - Robinson/Forcier
RB - Smith/Shaw
FB - McColgan
LT - Lewan/Huyge
C - Molk
RG - Omameh
WR - Odoms/Hemingway/Stonum
SR - Roundtree
DE - Van Bergen
NT - Martin
LB - Roh
LB - Demens
LB - Johnson/Thomas Gordon
CB - Floyd/Woolfolk*
S - Cam Gordon
S - Kovacs
Not all of these guys are full-time starters, but they've had significant starting experience (or, in the case of Demens, will likely have had such by the end of the season).
returning starter since he was one when he got injured.
btw, Magnus, wanted your take on the Demens hype and the Woolfolk hype.
I think Demens looked good on Saturday. He's a step up from Ezeh, although I don't think he's a world beater just yet. If nothing else, Demens is a better hitter than Ezeh. Barring injury or a regression, he should probably be the starter for the remainder of the season.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Woolfolk hype," though. I'm just going to guess you're talking about what position he'll play next year. Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, I'd really like to see Woolfolk play free safety next year. A lot of the big plays this year have been the result of Cam Gordon's poor recognition and lack of speed. I'd rather Woolfolk patrol the middle of the field with Floyd at one corner and some other guy (whether it's Avery/Talbott/Christian/a freshman) playing the other corner. The non-Floyd cornerback will probably be about equal to James Rogers, but the FS backing them up would be better, assuming Woolfolk recovers from injury.
Of course, I advocated for Woolfolk to play FS this year, too, and he was still in line to play cornerback. He's a good cornerback, but I just think he's more valuable to this team as a safety.
I agree with you on Woolfolk at free safety. But I hope you're wrong that our current freshman won't be better than Rogers is now next year. If that's the case we've failed in recruiting and development.
Well...I hate to disappoint you...but...
I think Avery, with a year under his belt, can be an upgrade from Rogers. The kid has good athleticism and instincts, but just doesn't fully understand his responsibilities as of yet (and needs another 10-15 pounds).
You could add Koger to the mix as well. In fact I think the two back, four wide, with a tight end formation could give us some serious advantages next year.
we're goign to have a 3 lineman formation? I think that's illegal...
Anyone who still clings to the "fire the coach and all our problems will be solved" way of thinking should talk to a Notre Dame fan these days and see how they're liking their latest regime change.
Different is not always better.
They gave him a full five years and ample opportunity to prove himself. His last team was full of the players he had recruited and developed. Any coaching change is risky (again IMHE), but after five years that was outweighed by the risk of keeping him on. I thought they jumped the gun a bit on Willingham, but not with Weis.
Now that early contact extension they gave him was just stupid...
UM could win right away.
Two, thus staff has yet to show that they can field a big ten quality defense.
Third, this staff has yet to prove that they can a team if good quality.
Maiden is ignoring some glaring issues with this staff. Issues that no amount of spin will eliminate.
This is exactly the kind of post that has been referenced in the "What is and isn't allowed to be posted" Thread.
Even if you have some good points to make here, they don't come through with all these errors. The comments also do nothing but back up the notion on this blog that most people wanting RichRod gone don't back it up with sound logic. Come on, you've got to bring it better than this. "Maiden"...really?
I'm more of a fan of the indie/punk genres, but this is clearly what they meant:
I'll donate one of my MGoPoints for that.
Third, this staff has yet to prove that they can a team if good quality.
I will not neg you. Others already have, and by the end of the day, you may have zero points. I will, however, off some constructive suggestions on a post such as this.
1. All that you did was make unfounded, unsubstantiated and unthought out statements. If you have a point to make, offer some support. It doesn't have to be Mathlete level analysis, but tell us why, or example, you feel that UM could win right away. Analogies to other teams starting a defense with 7 freshmen and a walk on, along with ZERO back-up QBs that have done well would work.
2. You basically said the same thing 3 times. All of your points say the same thing - RR sucks as a coach. If that is how you feel, say it once. And, if you do want to say that, refer back to rule #1 and say it correctly.
3. You reference Maisel's spin. What spin are you talking about. Give an example. Same goes for your other points. Give examples, or some form of support. Otherwise the post has the feel of a temper tantrum.
I personally, do not necessarily disagree with you that our current coaching staff might not being doing a great job with what they have available. Notice, I said "might" because while I am dissatisfied with aspects of this team, we are 5-2, and could end up with an 8 win season with what might be the worst defense fielded in any major conference this season. So for me, the jury is still out.
I think that by in large, IM is correct - Branson would not be inclined to fire RR. But, there are things that could alter his inclination. If, for example, we go 6-6 after going 5-0, I do not see RR keeping his job. Two epic implosions in 2 years would likely result in RR being shown the door, IMO. Similarly, if, for example (and I am not remotely saying it would happen) we only go 7-5 and Harbaugh's agent calls Brandon and says, look, Harbaugh has offers to go to the NFL but would really rather come home - if you guys are going to change coaches, this is your chance to get him), I am not sure that Brandon would pass this up. There is also that pesky NCAA violations thing still to be resolved.
Again, I think that RR will be back, but I think that there will be many factors that will ultimately affect that decision.
I think if Michigan goes 7-5, Harbaugh is in the NFL. It is unlikely in the extreme that Brandon decides to change direction after a winning season. Things would have to go *really bad wrong* in order for that to happen, because it means hitting the "reset" button on the investment made over the last three years.
Maisel's logic perfectly captures the conventional wisdom, which is how I feel most of the time. Michigan is improved over last year, and this will most likely be reflected by the results over the next five weeks.
However, there are two caveats. First is the remote potential for serious NCAA sanctions. Second is the equally remote possibility Michigan loses the next five games in such a way that includes blow-out losses to bad teams (like last year's Illinois game). Either of these scenarios, unlikely though they are, could change the syllogism.
I like IM pretty well, detest Schlabach and Forde. I know we at mgoblog generally dislike College Football News, but they had a great line in the prediction for the game this weekend:
Penn State is bad at playing football this year.
Sometimes even the cretins get things right. Go Blue.
I am a rabid "RR must stay" fan. Because to the core of my being, I think he represents our best chance at being incredible in the near and intermediate future. I truly think he is a genuinely good human being who also happens to be a remarkable coach. However, I know that one of my faults as a fan stems from being "overly loyal."
You are right, though. The season should play out. If we win this weekend, it is not definitive validation. Conversely, with 4 more games left, if we lose, it's not condemnation either.
I guess it is true that most people seem to be of the idea that firing RR will devastate the program. This may not be true. HOWEVA, I think most people remember the difficult transition from Carr to RR including all the transfers and bad press. I doubt this would happen again and I think David Brandon would handle the search for a new coach better then Bill "sailboat" Martin. I just think many fans are fearful that another coaching change would mean lots of transfers and a negative affect on recruiting.
I tend to agree with this statement by Maisel. I am an RR supporter and really want to see him succeed. David Brandon must decide at the end of the season what he wants to do. There is the elements of the sunk costs that Michigan has already incurred and the opportunity costs that are involved with keeping RR or firing RR. Howeva, if Michigan loses the last five games I don't know if even the most loyal RR supporter will be able to stick by him. I really like David Brandon and if he decides to make a change I have confidence that he will make a decision that is best for Michigan. He does after all have a massive pimp hand. Ultimately I hope RR wins enough games so that he will be here next year. I think next could shape up to be a really special season.
absent a 2009-like finish, which I don't think will happen, bringing RRod back is the obvious and compelling choice. Maisel does a great job of setting out the reasons why. Getting a win this week and another one in the two weeks that follow should put an end, at least will take the steam out of all this talk.
Long time reader but first time commenter. I think the intense fire R-rod now crowd and the intense just give him time crowd both have it wrong. I evaluate coach Rod by asking is he maximizing the potential of his team. A good coach almost always wins the games he should and ocassionally pulls off upsets. My concern with coach Rod is the bad losses the last two years and the lack of a meaningful win. No one will ever convince me Toledo and Purdue in 2008 and Purdue and Illinois in 2009 were games we should have lost. I could get over one or two losses like this but four bad losses in two years makes me at least question the direction of the program. So far so good this year. We beat the five teams we should and lost to two better teams. I think the last five weeks provide the perfect test for determining if the program is heading in the right direction. We have had a week off, our team is healthy and we will be the best team on the field each of the next three weeks. The last two games we will be decided underdogs. I think the semi objective standard should be win the next three or win two of three with an upset in the last two. Accomplsih that and I think R-Rod should enjoy our complete support and confidence. If not, I think there are legitimate questions about the trajectory of the program. I personally think he will make it to year four at which point he owns all the problems and should be judged by the bottom line reults on the field.
I really don't care about any losses that occurred in 2008. We were really young and really bad and really didn't know what the hell was going on. That's what happens when you bring in a new coach with a brand new philosophy. If you want to blame anyone for those losses, blame Bill Martin, who hired a coach who runs the zone read option without the personnel to run it.
Understand your view on 2008. It's fair to say Martin knew what he was getting. I'll confess I'm from the school of thought that says you coach the players you have not the ones you want to have. I think you have to adapt your system some when you don't have players to intially fit your scheme. The Toledo game just really sticks with me. I live in Toledo and have season tickets. I just remember how awful that team was in 2008 and we still lost to them. Anyway, I'm curious if you agree with the second part of my comment about the next five weeks. I know you have a football background and you seem to be pretty objective when you assess the team, the coaches and our personnel. Curious if you read it the same way.
Regarding adapting to personnel:
On the one hand, I do think it's somewhat silly to run the zone read option with quarterbacks who are unable to do it well. It probably would have behooved Rodriguez to run a more pro-style offense in 2008. The offense probably would have looked more competent. However, the personnel that year STILL would have been terrible at running a pro-style offense, too. So he could have gone 3-9 running his offense . . . or he could have gone, say, 4-8 while "adapting" to his personnel. That's not a wide enough margin to make a difference, in my opinion.
I do agree with most of the second half of your post, though. I do think we should be favored in the next three weeks, and I think Michigan NEEDS to win 2 of those 3 games. However, I don't think we necessarily need to pull an upset over those last two weeks. I'm not saying I'd be happy with a 7-5 season, but it would show continued improvement.