Locker room issues after the game?
I'm copy and pasting WMUKirk's post from the Snowflakes Offense thread. Feel free to delete if you think it shouldn't be up. Figured people would miss this as it is buried in that thread.
"I do not know where to post this but here's information for you.
1. Michigan will be holding a players only meeting tomorrow, spearheaded by Jake Ryan, and Ramon Taylor.
2. Shane has a high ankle sprain, doubtful he plays next week. Can barely put pressure on it.
3. Desmond Morgan is highly upset that Jabril didn't play today.
4. Players morale has geniuely finally dipped.
5. Jabril turned his back to the coaches after the game, and looked in his locker. He's highly disgusted.
6. Doesn't feel like a team, defense keeps to defense. Offense to offense. Not much cross mingling between them after this game.
7. Nuss & Hoke argued with Dave Brandon present. Words weren't audible to any one else. "
September 28th, 2014 at 12:02 AM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 10:53 PM ^
Am I the only one who thinks it's odd that the official story is Peppers was apparently hurt in practice during the week, and spent the game in the locker room getting treatment for said injury?
How does that happen? Or did he just not show up?
September 27th, 2014 at 11:05 PM ^
I don't know who Hoke thinks he's fooling when he puts out releases like this. You would think after the Gibbons fiasco he would have learned. If you don't wanna comment on it, fine, but don't make up illogical explanations.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:05 PM ^
It reads as a pretty blatant lie if these rumors are even marginally true. Hoke doesn't want to say anything about injuries/suspensions because he is in bunker mode. Raises too many questions to have Peppers looking surly on sidelines in street clothes, so they force him to sit in the locker room and call it an injury.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:59 AM ^
I think this was pretty obvious to anyone tuning in via TV at 3:30 and hearing the story. Did you really think it was an injury?
September 27th, 2014 at 11:01 PM ^
You would have to assume that Nuss and Hoke were at each other about Shane after the injury. It makes sense that Brandon would be involved, as this is going to be a PR issue that Brandon is going to have to get on top of...he probably wanted to find out what the heck happened.
In regards to Peppers, he might know more about being a DB than his coach who is in his first year at the position. It is a bad situation, and if Brandon botches the next hire(95% chance he does IMO) he is likely gone. Perhaps to Rutgers...
September 27th, 2014 at 11:15 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 1:11 AM ^
...except that I don't think Brandon needs a logical reason to be involved, to be involved.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:08 PM ^
That being said, and I know many of you are going to go off on me, but our players are average and not getting it done either. OF COURSE, we can attribute this to the coaches as of course we have had very highly ranked recruiting classes, so they have to be better than our opponents, but they are not showing it on the field. So, the players should be meeting because that are not meeting the emotional and executional levels of comparable opponents.
We won't really know till a new staff is in place, but I do think that the players own a big part of this too.
I am and have been in favor of staff changes, but when you only beat programs that are not even close to the level of Michigan and are losing with the margins and continuing mistakes to the comparable programs it's not all coaching.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:15 PM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 11:11 PM ^
The more I hear the more I see chaos within the program, some of that is due to the staff, and some is the situation. No one likes losing, it is demoralizing and can break down team morale / cohesion. I also think Brandon inserting himself into the Football program is probably not helping things. With all the chaos I can't figure out how this team operates, which leads me to wonder if the staff even knows. What does Hoke do? He seems a figurehead more and more, and with limited coaching staff positions he is an expensive way to fill a position. I have no dobut he has a love for the University, but does he have the vision to lead this team, or is he being hindered by Brandon's micromanaging alpha dog persona. I also wonder why Nuss is on the sidelines, and if he is running into conflicts with the position coaches. I assume he knows his stuff, and if he had confidence in the staff he could sit up in the box and focus on calling plays. Maybe he does not trust some of the position coaches beneath him? That is probably why I'm screaming fire someone now. Given the chaos I don't know who to fire, and that is probably a weak vote for cleaning house.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:13 PM ^
Hoke and Mattison get into it last week
Hoke and Nuss get into it this week
More injuries to star players in garbage time due to Hoke's incompetence.
Wanton disregard for player safety.
135 Years of never losing 3 games in September now over
30 year runnning streak of never being shutout (longest FBS) now over.
(P.S. RR never lost to Minnesota)
September 27th, 2014 at 11:31 PM ^
We need some who can ignite all of this talent we are holding back. Not on the staff right now obviously. I would let Mattison finish the year up. Knock hoke out.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:37 PM ^
Really?
When RR was the coach, Denard hit for 2000+ passing yards and 1000+ rushing yards two years in a row
What happened to his stats when brady hoke came in? Career ruined.
DG is a product of RR that has also been ruined by hoke.
Sad.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:43 PM ^
his offense was continouslty stymied by MSU and OSU. Oh and his defenses sucked.RR and Hoke both sucked as UM coaches. Arguing for either one is idiotic.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:05 AM ^
I would encourage you to watch the tape of those games.
Michigan completely changed gameplans vs those teams. They tried to slow the game down, and it didn't work with RR's players. They were trying to keep the defense from being on the field by scoring too quickly (a huge problem with RR teams) ... and it backfired horribly.
With a defense that could have put up some 3 and outs, the offense could have fun in it's normal fast pace... I know, it's hypothetical, but the whole offensive scheme was changed for those games for some reason when our best chances were just saying F it and going for the high scoring shootouts and never getting a stop on defense.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:19 AM ^
OSU and MSU muscled up his offenses and shut them down. MSU did the same to OSU last year. Save for Oregon this year MSU has done pretty well vs spread teams.
RichRod is no Urban Meyer. His offense flopped and no re-writing of history can change that.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:19 AM ^
this offense was stymied by utah and minny. ugh.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:45 AM ^
Denard was only a starter under Rodriguez for one year.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:57 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:07 AM ^
you sure, they did't seem to be best buddies last week....
At this point, I dont care. Bring in people who show some passion on the sidelines. I look at ND and Kelly coaching his kids today... or how emotional he gets to the point i make fun of it, and i'm like "I wish our coaches were that fired up on the sidelines"
September 27th, 2014 at 11:30 PM ^
Double post
September 27th, 2014 at 11:27 PM ^
I just feel bad for Devin & Shane. We ALL know how much Devin has sacrificed. Shane plays his heart out & gets murdered on that late hit...and NOBODY shows any backbone to go after the guy that hit him. Not sure if a Schembechler coached team lets anybody get away with that.
This team has no leadership, no desire to be great & no heart.
I feel bad for all of them. They're being let down.
September 28th, 2014 at 1:10 AM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 1:43 AM ^
No way. Shane's not going to play the next game coming off of a concussion and a high ankle sprain. Devin has to get the start. Or Bellomy. But we all know down that path lies madness.
September 28th, 2014 at 2:00 AM ^
The players - injured or no - must fit the offense and not vice versa.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:28 PM ^
6. Doesn't feel like a team, defense keeps to defense. Offense to offense. Not much cross mingling between them after this game.
If that's the case, I have to wonder what all the talk about renewed team interaction and intermingling was as this was pointed out constantly as one of the reasons that there were problems among different units within the team with communication. That is to say, different goals and justa decentralized feel that really didn't seem like it could perform above a certain ceiling. If there is an issue here and, in the end, not everyon is on the same page despite playing on different sides of the ball, that's all on the staff, I would think.
September 28th, 2014 at 6:41 AM ^
There probably is an element of this with all teams, though. This just feels like the usual, generic "problems" that pop up when a team loses a bunch. That's my problem with reports like this; they contain the most generic, cliche points that it is hard to know if they are real or made up to get some attention.
The team is in turmoil, but I've not seen anything on the sidelines or reports from practicces before this rough season to make me believe the team is in-fighting all that much.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:32 PM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 11:55 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:57 AM ^
That's exactly it! Hoke is calling the shots here... aka playing football like its the 1800s... Let's see what Nuss can do in charge. I'm betting he will hands down open up the playcalling. He coached spread offense back at Washington. I don't think he just happened to "forget" how to at Michigan.
September 28th, 2014 at 10:37 AM ^
I think Lloyd Carr, coming in cold off the street and not knowing any of the playbook or really the players for that matter, could coach circles around Nuss or Hoke.
If you're gonna blow it up, might as well go big.
September 27th, 2014 at 11:32 PM ^
Two, I honestly wouldn't blame him if he transferred. He has to be looking around and seeing this roster loaded with talent, and absolutely none of it is getting developed. He has the potential to be a top-5 pick in a few years. Why should he jeopardize his future with a coaching staff that is doing squat to get him ready for that future?
That being said, I do hope he stays and weathers the storm. He is a rare talent that can be a program-changer. But I can't blame him if he doesn't stay. He has to think about his future.
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September 28th, 2014 at 12:29 AM ^
What boggles my mind is that Michigan had versatile players like Howard and Woodson... Players that Peppers is being compared to... yet these jackwagons can't put him in a position to succeed (whether thats literally EVERYWHERE except DL and OL)... Even Moeller and Carr's collective archaic asses managed to make Howard and Woodson iconic in the college football world.
Yet these coaches are squandering everything... I feel so bad for Devin and Denard ... They could have achieved MUCH MORE.
September 28th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 11:36 PM ^
September 28th, 2014 at 12:42 AM ^
A good coach changes this in two years and everyone knows that. Why would it take 5-7 years? That doesn't make any sense.
September 28th, 2014 at 1:08 AM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 11:48 PM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 11:51 PM ^
He is our version of Mattt Millen of the Detroit Lions but may be worse. He has proven he is completely clueless running a major college football program.
Hoke was an inferior coach that Brandon hired because they were friends and Brady was big Michigan man. We would have a decent team by now if Brandon had listen to RR and hired him a good DC with the $$$$ he allowed Hoke to spend on Mattison. If he did we may have had an elite team by now. But all Michigan Men got their wish of heaving a coach even worse than Bump Elliot from the 60s.
Pepper is a goner! I hope he can transfer to a good winning team that will appreciate his talents.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:10 AM ^
yes, yes, yes.
I'm not sure about peppers, I hope Hoke is gone and someone who can unite the locker room comes in and lights a fire under everyone's ass.
DG seems like he just is indifferent anymore. he loves to play to win, but knows he likely isn't going to be big in the nfl and obviously is taking advantage of acadeics while still at michigan... Why sacrifice his own health if the rest of the team doesn't give a fuck?
September 28th, 2014 at 12:15 AM ^
He was a complete failure at UM. His special teams were not so good either. Hoke and RR were both bad fits.
September 28th, 2014 at 1:18 AM ^
...for Hoke to match RR's B1G winning percentage he'd have to lose his next 35 conference games.
Today sucks, for sure, but anybody pointing to the Rodriguez era as some sort of golden age is nuts.
September 28th, 2014 at 2:01 AM ^
hoke didn't lose the entire roster when he came in, he was playing with a team that RR had to build from the ground up, stop trying to BS it and look at it as something that is more than one dimensional
either way, RR whooped oregon's ass last year, sparty good their ass whooped by oregon this year..
either way, nothing i just said means anything except I don't like the comparisons, and that we need to look to the future... and that starts with chasing these clowns out with pitchforks
September 28th, 2014 at 2:11 PM ^
September 27th, 2014 at 11:54 PM ^
If any of this is even partly true, I wouldnt be surprised to see some off field issues resulting from this and the eventual label of "lack of iinstitutional control" levied--the same thing that led Bobby Williams to be fired mid-season.
September 28th, 2014 at 12:03 AM ^
was given the death penalty by the NCAA and we cannot recover.
September 28th, 2014 at 1:02 AM ^
...if I was HC and I had a RB that trucked the entire D and gave me my only competitive TD, and then the OC only gave that guy 3 carries over the next 25 offensive snaps as the game went from 7-0 to 7-27, I'd yell at his ass, too.
Of course, if I was that OC, I'd be yelling back, "Yeah? Well why do we use that god damned dinosaur punt coverage scheme that gave up 70 return yards on 3 punts in the 3rd Q?"
September 28th, 2014 at 1:07 AM ^
...than hear rumors that guys just walked into the locker room and said, "Whatever bro," put on some backwards facing baseball hats, and skateboarded away with a Sunny D in hand.