LLoyd thinks Notre Dame will join Big 10, also expand to 16 teams
if the headline wasn't intended to be sensational:
"Lloyd THINKS that ND will join the Big Ten EVENTUALLY"
Please no. No thank you. We don't want any.
The more Notre Dame sucks, the more pressure to join a conference to be relevant.
I almost think it's the other way 'round. If they're independent, they can soften up their schedule a bit, and rack up some Ws. In the Big Ten, they'd have to go head-to-head with OSU, PSU, Wiscy, Nebraska, etc. in addition to their regular bouts with us & FYS. Given their recent trends, this likely results in at LEAST 2-3 losses per season, and some tough games agains the middle of the road teams as well, not to mention the fact that there is no way their fan base let's them stop playing USC regularly.
I think if ND wants to stay on the national scene, they are better off independent. They can dial down their strength of schedule a bit, keep their exclusive NDC contract, and do pretty well. In fact, the only reason I would want ND to join the Big Ten is precisely so that they could turn into a no-name, middle-of-the-road team that would be forgotten about.
As Big Ten scheduling goes, they can club four baby seals, get to play the likes of Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, and Indiana and still have their games against Michigan and Michigan State.
I think they can play a weaker schedule but have the opening for an automatic BCS berth still there and the relevance of playing in a conference.
They're not going to dial down the schedule. ND is having a hard time selling out all its home games right now, as fans aren't thrilled to pay big bucks to see Tulsa and WMU. (According to posters on the ND boards, alumni are being bombarded with emails from the ND AD begging them to buy tickets to those games.) They need to play difficult schedules if they want to keep selling out - and probably also if they want to keep the NBC contract.
I think it's possible that the decision-makers at ND fear becoming an also-ran in the Big Ten, but financial circumstances are going to force them to play brutal schedules in any event. They're adding Texas, Oklahoma and Miami to future schedules. They'll probably lose most of those, but they'll at least sell out.
You're making a big assumption that NBC will remain willing to shell out, which is critical for continued ND independance. If ND tries to puff their record with a bunch of patsies, that's going to really hurt the TV ratings and directly impact the bottom line when the next contract comes up for negotiations. Ultimately the B10 offers ND cash, which ND might not be able to refuse regardless of any other considerations.
Too late, Catholics.
Now, let me propose this scenario... Imagine that ND's fall from grace continues for another ten years, and let's suppose that the BCS stays in place for that entire time. Do you think the BCS would ever pull the ND clauses from the postseason process, and refuse any team that was not in a fully fledged BCS conference?
No. The TV draw is too large for ND, especially if they are good enough to actually use the ND clause. They are arguably the most recognized team in the country and have fans not only because of their historic past, but also because of their religious affiliation. Why would the BCS, or the networks that have the rights to the BCS (ESPN) not want to bring in the dollars for ND? If they suck for the next 10 years, but if they win 10 games 11 years from now, everyone will be back on the bandwagon and the BCS will be drooling over them like always. Honestly, ND has sucked since the early 90's and they still have their own network deal and ESPN/ABC will play them any time they get the chance.
don't you know that the Catholics are never late for anything? I know this to be true because the man in fancy hat told me so.
This isnt Big East basketball, Screw that, we're fine at 12.
how you really feel.
for losing. They might win for winning, but. . . at some point somebody at NBC starts to talk about pulling the plug on 'em, no?
And in the B10 they're just a middle-rank school.
I know they're getting paid, but otherwise I think they're in a world of hurt.
The tipping point comes when Comcast (who now owns NBC) decides to move the ND games to Comcast channels, shutting out DirectTV, Dish and other Cable companies.
The reason I negged you was that you didn't add anything to this link. What good is that? we want to know what you thought about the article so that it guides the discussion. Don't just post a link as a board topic. That just adds noise.
You aren't providing anything more than what an RSS Reader provides.
i was actually just sharing an article that i came across, didn't know that was such a crime douche
Don't get angry Hulk.
Say, "David Banner I just slashed your tires".
...wouldn't like him when he's angry.
It would seem to explain the way the simultaneous expansion of the Big Ten and Pac Ten played out, and how the Big Twelve, particularly, was caught by surprise.
If this scenario does play out, I would expect, as a response, the ACC and SEC to come to a similar arrangement (Sugar or Orange Bowl), scavaging the leftovers of the Big Twelve and Big East to get to 16 teams.
So there are 4 superconferences, each with their own title game. They each scrap the BCS. B10 and P10 play each other in the Rose Bowl. ACC and SEC play in the Orange Bowl.
If there is no BCS, there's no BCS Championship game. Weird that we wouldn't have that. Conveniently, there is a Rose Bowl and Orange Bowl champ. Take the next step?
This could culminate in a 8 team playoff pretty easily. Heck, there could eventually be a Divisional Championship in *SOME of the conferences, making it an 8-16 team (depending on who has a divisional championship) .
Enjoy your independence ND! Haha I love a good conspiracy...
That'd be a pretty epic plan and something I could get excited about if it came to fruition.
And, if this actually is their gameplan and they pull it off, they'd be considered strategic geniuses par excellence in my book*, forming an alliance like that that puts all the cards in their hands relative to college football would be a major coup, and mutually advantageous for both conferences in a huge way.
(*I already consider Delany a strategic genius. Nebraska was a huge get, and the way it went down, I give props to Delany... There was an article posted here recently in the Nebraska newspaper that gives some insights into how N to B10 happened. Delany saw a great opportunity, adapted, and siezed it.)
You sir are both a gentleman and a scholar.
You're stealing my lines.
I have been beating the drum on this line of thinking since this move to expansion began.
I agree with you until you get to the SEC. As long as they have ESPN touting them as just short of a pro league, I think they are sound. They would be in a position to pick up Texas, Oklahoma and about any other leftover Big 12 team they want.
But I am hoping that Jim Delaney is thinking along these lines. The Big Ten must have controlled grow to remain a top conference.
ps - like the way you think. Maybe the Big Ten should hire us as consultants. What do you think?
I hope not. I don't want any more teams in the conference. We're already only going to be playing PSU, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois and Purdue 40% of the time starting next year. Adding still more teams is going to mean even fewer games against those teams. We've got our 12th school and a conference title game. That's enough.
we don't need (or want) Notre Dame or their pompus ass in the B10. Nebraska will likely win the Big12 this year and then bolt to join the B10. I see ths move as taking the B10 to the #2 football conference ... just behind and pushing the SEC (which is losing respect w/o Tenn. & Georgia being strong).
If I was B10 commish - no B10 teams would play ND. They had their chance ... so fuck em ! Maybe they'll join the big east conference ... and finally be able to compete with teams at their level.
Go Blue !
How do you enforce a "No one is allowed to play Notre Dame" rule??
I can't think of any team we have beaten twice in the last 10 years, worst than ND.
2003 - Michigan 38, Notre Dame 0
2007 - Michigan 38, Notre Dame 0
I'm pretty sure we stomped on hapless EMU at lesat a couple times in the lsat 10 years. Not the same, of course.
I'm happy with 12 teams. To hell with Notre Dame and to hell with superconferences, which are a terrible idea for anyone who likes football tradition. I don't know when people became obsessed with the conference making money, but we aren't getting any of that money. I would rather have a good slate of traditional opponents than a disjointed mess of teams that are highly ranked in all-time winning percentage and/or wins.
Notre Dame football is declining, and has been for quite sometime. The only way ND would ever join the B10 is in an attempt to salvage the tattered remains of a once great program.
I grew up and lived most of my adult life within 45 minutes of South Bend Indiana. You would be amazed at how many people in that city hate ND with a passion. (for good reason but that belongs in a different post)
The B10 offered once. ND was just too elite to join.
I say let them sink.
ND believed itself too elite to join.
An error on my part.
I've been waiting for years to see ND in the big ten. I think they would have a few rivalries from day one, just maybe.
I was at a private fundraiser this year with some clients where Chris Spielman was the guest speaker. He told the small group that two people "in the know" confirmed to him that ND to the Big 10 is all but a done deal, probably in 2014.
He said the Big 10 was prepared to pull UM, Mich St, and Purdue off of the schedule if they did not join. He also told us the Big East is making a similar stance in the other sports forcing their hand even more.
He sounded pretty confident in what he was saying, and the additional TV money from the Big 10 network may be to good to pass up.
I hope he meant that we (and MSU/PU) were prepared to pull ND off our schedule, and not that the conference itself was dictating it to us. Whom we schedule out of conference is our business. not the Big Ten's.
dang...Lloyd Brady really is everywhere!
...oh wait, Lloyd Carr ::yawn::