Rashman

October 27th, 2010 at 2:55 PM ^

Are there still people who actually pay attention to the program who actually feel that Lloyd was forced out?  I thought it was pretty widely known and accepted that he left because he was ready to leave, and that Bill Martin wanted him to coach at Michigan for as long as he wanted to coach at Michigan.

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maizenbluenc

October 27th, 2010 at 4:37 PM ^

I think he stayed on after stepping down as head coach because Bill Martin wanted him there in the interim - especially as there was going to be a AD transition as well.

How about now that all the transitions are done, Lloyd wanted to retire for real, spend his spare time focused on Motts, travel a bit, and see his grand kids?

That's what Lloyd said. So why wouldn't I believe his reasoning?

Who here wants to retire while they're still healthy and able to travel, with a long successful career with a highlight ending to look back on, with financial security, and with a meaningful side activity to stay engaged with?

Oooh: me, me!

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SFBlue

October 27th, 2010 at 3:26 PM ^

My understanding was that Lloyd nearly retired after the '07 Rose Bowl, and that Bill Martin convinced him to stay another year. 

An interesting question is whether Lloyd would have remained as coach as long as Bo was living.  I think the answer is that he probably would have.  (Coincidentally, Michigan is 22-24 since Bo died.)

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StephenRKass

October 27th, 2010 at 2:55 PM ^

Or it was a slight misquote.

But yeah, I remember when AC was a freshman, and I don't think I've seen buzz like that since then, until Denard. Some will point to Hart's beginnings. Hart did have a tremendous first freshman year, but the buzz wasn't the same as with Carter. I think the difference is that with Carter, and with Denard, they are/were both electrifying, and could break out for a huge gain any time. Hart had heart, rarely fumbled, and gained lots of yards. However, he just wasn't a burner and breakaway threat in the same way as AC and Denard.

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Michigasling

October 27th, 2010 at 3:30 PM ^

at least from those of us watching him then.  When your first play from scrimmage as a back-up frosh is a fumble that's turned into a 40-yd (approx.) TD, you're buzz-worthy.  Now, of course, the buzz is a full-scale swarm.

EDIT: Just re-read the article, and you quoted him correctly, but he said that no one got as much "interest as a freshman" since AC, not that Denard was currently a freshman.  And Denard did indeed make us interested last season.

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mikoyan

October 27th, 2010 at 5:14 PM ^

I was listening to that game on the radio because I was doing a trip down US-12 for my blog.  I remmeber when he took his first snap and Jim Brandstetter said, "Look out for this kid" and he took it to the house, I think or something like that.  I don't think we saw his full potential last year because he was used strictly as a running quarterback.  Now that we've see that....wow.

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Michigasling

October 27th, 2010 at 6:01 PM ^

And it was only later that we found out it was a broken play, which almost makes it more exciting, because he had the quickness of mind (to go along with the quickness of his feet) to make a big something out of his first mistake on his very first play as a collegian.  (I didn't see it live, but at a very loud and very excited alumni sports bar.)

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MGoShoe

October 27th, 2010 at 2:54 PM ^

...Lloyd's enthusiasm.  All indications are that his lecture circuit shtick will be positivity and he'll leave the controversial statements to others.

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WolverBean

October 27th, 2010 at 5:39 PM ^

Do you suppose the DetNews actually flew Chengelis down to Huntsville for this story, or did she just summarize the local writer's story?  I know she was in pretty good with Lloyd, and I suspect she'd have loved to be there in person if she could be.

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Yooper

October 27th, 2010 at 3:09 PM ^

Lloyd has not actually been out there the last couple of years with many positive comments.  I think he probably thinks/knows that RRod is going to be around and he needs to make peace with the program under Rodriquez.  I wouldn't be surprised if Brandon may have helped, as it is clear that if you want to be part of the Michigan football program Brandon will not tolerate people undermining the coach or the progam. 

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M-Wolverine

October 27th, 2010 at 7:31 PM ^

There has to be some negative slant.
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<br>And your position on Brandon is laughable. Who do you think Brandon is closer with- Rich, or Lloyd? Brandon probably has the job in part because he's tight with Lloyd and I'm sure came highly recommended by him. It's not like Brandon hasn't been around for years in one capacity or another.

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