I love that guy, and there's no way I'd be as passionate about Michigan without him. A well deserved honor.
Good stuff.
Great honor for a great Michigan man.
Of course it does. No one's asserting he's a terrible person. However, what happened happened, and Lloyd certainly had his chance to speak to Bacon and clarify matters. You can choose to look only at the good aspects of his character if you want to, but everyone has flaws whether you want to see them or not.
I'm honestly surprised Section 1 hasn't started a 14,231 word diatribe about that article from HTTV.
I don't see people who were bothered by what they perceived Lloyd to be during the RR years telling his most ardent supporters that they need to lose respect for him. They say they don't view him the same way and that is their right.
It seems like it is always pro-Carr voices who demand that people with different views than them "get over it." You aren't going to change that Carr was and still is a somewhat divisive figure. Whether or not you think it's fair, it is part of his plight. If you genuinely admire the man, that should be all that matters. You aren't going to change how other people feel.
If not for 97, we'd be more irrelevant than Notre Dame. At least they have their 1988 championship under Holtzchhhshshshs. Without Coach Carr our last championship would be in 1948. Even sparty would be making fun of us.. they claim 6 titles since that time!!
I hate that every time someone says something good about Carr someone has to come in and mention the Rodriguez debacle. move on
I think you're probably right about Moeller, but we'll never know. Under Mo we slipped into our mini-funk in the mid-'90s, and fans were not happy. Whether he could have delivered a national title in '97 is anyone's guess.
Eeeerrrrbody seen da lepakun say yeah!
Lloyd Carr and Barry Larkin each going into Halls of Fame today?
LIKE
Congratulations to Coach Carr. He did many great things for the UM Football program. In the end he was human and may have made some bad decisions but the good he did far outpaces the bad.
I'm glad to see a few reasonable posts here. Why can't the "binary" types just stay on MLive? Lloyd was a class act most of the time, but he did occasionally slip. Nothing wrong with that ...
Anyway, congratulations to him. What I liked best about Lloyd was that he realized there was life outside football and he seemed to share that philosophy with his players.
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...why the college football Hall of Fame is over-rated.
I became a Michigan fan in 2004 when I started going to Michigan.
Lloyd Carr never beat Ohio during that time.
And the Horror.
And poor recruiting that set Rodriguez up for failure.
And how he handled the Rodriguez situation in general.
I don't understand why Carr is so respected...
With respect to NCAA violations, Marcus Ray was suspended for half of his senior season because he was caught taking money from a guy who wanted to be his agent (the exact same offense that saw USC nuked by the NCAA in the Reggie Bush case, just on a smaller monetary scale). A more ambitious investigation probably would have turned up the same sort of thing with regards to Charles Woodson (his future agent was at the Heisman ceremony, Woodson and other NFL players eventually sued said agent and it was pretty clear that he'd been in contact with most of his clients while they were still playing college football).
So to say there was never a hint of a violation is a pretty dramatic oversimplification of things. A more zealous NCAA (or perhaps the existence of a group like Yahoo!sports in the late 1990's) may have done quite a bit to change perceptions.
That was not a program violation. No one on Carr's staff committed a violation there. He sat Ray once it was known that he'd gotten an extra benefit.
No Michigan coach would have ever presided over an NCAA violation if there was never an internal sabotage. Funny how people forget that.
He deserves it. Took over following the Moeller issues without missing a beat. Won a National Championship. Kept our nose clean with regards to the NCAA. For that matter he only ever struggled to beat two coaches. Both those coaches are currently working other jobs following NCAA investigations.
I still sometimes miss his surly attitude when sideline reporters asked dumb questions.
In before Section 1 says something that causes a mod to lock the thread!
El Jeffe says something stupid about Section 1 but before a mod locks the thread!
In right after lbpeley says something about El Jeffe saying something about Section 1 and Section 1 saying something that causes me to make a comment that results in a loss of all of my points again.
Ah right... I couldn't remember why you got dinged so badly.
What was the stupid thing? I happen to be one of the few who likes Section 1's dogged determination. It's just that he is, apparently, an acquired taste.
I just get tired of the five posters here who snark on him all the time. I have no problem with his dogged Freep bashing. I also don't read every word he writes, so maybe that allows me to not have my life ruined by him like those others who apparently feel the need to dog everything he writes.
Congratulations to Coach Carr, not only for his tenure as head coach, but for 27 years total of dedicated service to the football program. There are not many people who hang around a program that long in various capacities, much less long enough to eventually be the head coach for some of that time. On top of that, to win the AFCA Coach of the Year, the George Munger Award, the Paul Bryant Trophy AND Walter Camp Coach of the year for that magical 1997-98 season just highlights how much respect he commanded among his peers. A great honor, and he definitely deserves it.
Tremendous.