Congratulations Coach Carr on your enshrinement into the College Football Hall of Fame this weekend. A true class act and the epitome of a Michigan Man, this is a well deserved honor.
Good for him. I bitched and moaned about his conservative style at times. But he was a great coach and a class act.
I see there's talk (which he seemed pleased with) of him being on the final four selection committee. It makes me feel a little better about that one aspect of the new system I've been most skeptical about.
I love that guy, and there's no way I'd be as passionate about Michigan without him. A well deserved honor.
Great honor for a great Michigan man.
I love me some Lloyd. And Congrats to him for his accomplishment. He's done so much good for the football program, the University, and Mott.
But since Three And Out, I'll never respect him as much as I used to. Would still love to hear why he made the choices he did.
I entered the situation as much of a Lloyd Carr fan as exists outside his immediate family, and I find a lot of the Carr bashing that happens in 3 and out and on this website to be a lot of bluster and very little substance. A whole lot of "Wait till you read it" followed by a whole lot of nothing I haven't heard already.
I find it very difficult to believe that Lloyd did anything that he believed was not in the best interests of his players with the information he had on hand. Probably the worst thing I would say about him is that he didn't do his homework on Rodriguez.
Regardless, the man's work outside the game of football speaks for itself. Mott Children's Hospital is one of the best in the country, due in large part to Lloyd Carr. Add to that numerous Big Ten Championships, that magical run in '97, and the tremendous quality of the young men that program churned out in his time at Michigan, and you begin to understand how deserving he is of this honor.
In my small opinion i think Carr saw RR for what he was. A great offensive mind with zero idea how to win it all. Obviously the guy has control issues (see revolving door of DC's). I think in some small way his intention was to spare UMich the possible pain that comes from a flawed vision. Hoke is the personification of leadership. Surround yourself with people smarter then you, and let them do their jobs. Im not saying that was his full intention, he is a very smart guy so im sure he was none to impressed with RR's "swagger".
At this point people just need to let this go. Lloyd's actions weren't program killing, and we're fine now. Lloyd's actions over his 13 year HC stint and all the off-field stuff he's done outweighs the bad
Of course it does. No one's asserting he's a terrible person. However, what happened happened, and Lloyd certainly had his chance to speak to Bacon and clarify matters. You can choose to look only at the good aspects of his character if you want to, but everyone has flaws whether you want to see them or not.
Oh I'm not denying he has flaws, just that his body of work is more good than a few moments of pettyness/selfishness/whateveryouwanttocallit
But how do you know what happened? Because it was in Bacon's book? If you can get a copy of HTTV, read it. And find out a completely different view of what happened didn't happen. Which you don't have to believe either. But blindly believing what you read anywhere doesn't do anyone any good.
I'm honestly surprised Section 1 hasn't started a 14,231 word diatribe about that article from HTTV.
Because, it's like DONE, man. But just that things are being said as "fact", when there are a lots of points of view stood out here.
And I'm sure he'll respond to you....I think he does searches on his own name here.
If not for 97, we'd be more irrelevant than Notre Dame. At least they have their 1988 championship under Holtzchhhshshshs. Without Coach Carr our last championship would be in 1948. Even sparty would be making fun of us.. they claim 6 titles since that time!!
I hate that every time someone says something good about Carr someone has to come in and mention the Rodriguez debacle. move on
Great coach! I started watching while he was the coach and is a big reason why I liked watching Michigan.
But...if all that didn't happen to Moeller, it would be him in the Hall of Fame.
I think you're probably right about Moeller, but we'll never know. Under Mo we slipped into our mini-funk in the mid-'90s, and fans were not happy. Whether he could have delivered a national title in '97 is anyone's guess.
Congrats coach Carr. Although sometimes you made me pull my hair out, you embody Michigan Football and are one of the greatest coaches and men the sport has ever seen. Eternally greatful that you were a wolverine.
Eeeerrrrbody seen da lepakun say yeah!
Lloyd Carr and Barry Larkin each going into Halls of Fame today?
Congratulations to Coach Carr. He did many great things for the UM Football program. In the end he was human and may have made some bad decisions but the good he did far outpaces the bad.
I'm glad to see a few reasonable posts here. Why can't the "binary" types just stay on MLive? Lloyd was a class act most of the time, but he did occasionally slip. Nothing wrong with that ...
Anyway, congratulations to him. What I liked best about Lloyd was that he realized there was life outside football and he seemed to share that philosophy with his players.
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...why the college football Hall of Fame is over-rated.
I became a Michigan fan in 2004 when I started going to Michigan.
Lloyd Carr never beat Ohio during that time.
And the Horror.
And poor recruiting that set Rodriguez up for failure.
And how he handled the Rodriguez situation in general.
I don't understand why Carr is so respected...
122 wins to 40 losses. Five Big Ten Championships. One magical National Championship season. Not a single NCAA violation, or even a hint of one. In short, he is respected for being a great steward for the greatest tradition in college football.
With respect to NCAA violations, Marcus Ray was suspended for half of his senior season because he was caught taking money from a guy who wanted to be his agent (the exact same offense that saw USC nuked by the NCAA in the Reggie Bush case, just on a smaller monetary scale). A more ambitious investigation probably would have turned up the same sort of thing with regards to Charles Woodson (his future agent was at the Heisman ceremony, Woodson and other NFL players eventually sued said agent and it was pretty clear that he'd been in contact with most of his clients while they were still playing college football).
So to say there was never a hint of a violation is a pretty dramatic oversimplification of things. A more zealous NCAA (or perhaps the existence of a group like Yahoo!sports in the late 1990's) may have done quite a bit to change perceptions.
That was not a program violation. No one on Carr's staff committed a violation there. He sat Ray once it was known that he'd gotten an extra benefit.
Well, thanks for bang all history on your personal experience. You must be surprised that man has gone to the moon as well, since we haven't done that on your lifetime a well.
You were the problem.
He deserves it. Took over following the Moeller issues without missing a beat. Won a National Championship. Kept our nose clean with regards to the NCAA. For that matter he only ever struggled to beat two coaches. Both those coaches are currently working other jobs following NCAA investigations.
I still sometimes miss his surly attitude when sideline reporters asked dumb questions.
In before Section 1 says something that causes a mod to lock the thread!
El Jeffe says something stupid about Section 1 but before a mod locks the thread!
In right after lbpeley says something about El Jeffe saying something about Section 1 and Section 1 saying something that causes me to make a comment that results in a loss of all of my points again.
Ah right... I couldn't remember why you got dinged so badly.
What was the stupid thing? I happen to be one of the few who likes Section 1's dogged determination. It's just that he is, apparently, an acquired taste.
I just get tired of the five posters here who snark on him all the time. I have no problem with his dogged Freep bashing. I also don't read every word he writes, so maybe that allows me to not have my life ruined by him like those others who apparently feel the need to dog everything he writes.
Lloyd Brady gets inducted with him. Cant have one without the other
Congratulations to Coach Carr, not only for his tenure as head coach, but for 27 years total of dedicated service to the football program. There are not many people who hang around a program that long in various capacities, much less long enough to eventually be the head coach for some of that time. On top of that, to win the AFCA Coach of the Year, the George Munger Award, the Paul Bryant Trophy AND Walter Camp Coach of the year for that magical 1997-98 season just highlights how much respect he commanded among his peers. A great honor, and he definitely deserves it.
But a quality coach, and a better man.
Well deserved! Met him a few times and truly is a class act. Not a bad coach either!! Hail Hail to Mr. Carr!