Since I accued you of not posting a fact, yes. You began this thread labeling Carr a conspirator and assassinating his character, which you now seem loathe to address.
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<br>This argument has lost it's point - you're being fundamentally dishonest and continually transmogrified your argument.
I have defended Lloyd's record (on and off the field) on here every chance I got, and will continue to do so. I was very hopeful for RR and was behind him to the end. Lloyd was just a convenient scapegoat for RR's difficulties.
Lloyd carried the torch honorably for many years and kept the program at a respectably high level. His 2006 team was fantastic...lost to OSU by three on the road and a very good team in the Rose Bowl. It was a hell of a ride though.
One or two hiesman winners? I forget if Desmond finished under Lloyd or Moeller. Not to mention all the community stuff, graduating his players, molding teens into men. Thanks for everything, Lloyd. Congrats and all the best...you deserve it.
Regardless of all the what-not before and after his career, this guy ruled, personally and professionally. Good on ya, Coach Carr.
I grew up as a Michigan fan during the Lloyd era; I can't think of a better representative for what's right about college football.
Lloyd Carr was about integrity.
I just re-tweeted this video and made it my facebook status.
That locker room speech is great. Just like Hoke said in his introductory experience, the head coach's job is to breed Michigan men, and Lloyd accomplished that.
After watching Lloyd's last game and then the speech there after, I admit that I cried pretty hard. If you have to compare it to something, it's kind of like watching a girl cry after watching the ending to the Notebook or the Lion King.
thanks for posting this. How any so-called Michigan fan could not respect this man is beyond me. I support coach Hoke just as I supported Rodriguez, Carr, Moeller, and Bo before him. Lloyd deserves our respect and he will always have mine.
I am not sure that coach Carr has a record or resume that supports Hall of Fame status, but even if he does not, he is the type of role model that is lacking in todays' game. I remember Carr's later years when heat built because he was falling short against OSU. It is truly a shame that we (myself included) placed more emphasis on victories than running a solid program, turning boys into men. In his interviews, I always got the impression that he knew that football was about the student athletes and not the fans. We make it about us. At the end of it the day, it's about a bunch of kids running around with a ball of leather.
After learning a bit more each passing week about "the Senator" and the environment against which Carr was competing on the field and in recruiting it makes one wonder how things might have gone had the competition been level.
I, for one, am truly glad the Lloyd is in the Hall of Fame and Tressel, because of his dishonesty and cheating, will likely never enter. Karma is a bitch like that.
I guess that one of the main thrusts here is that it's not about the record. Carr could've went .500 and I think proved this point far better.
gone, not went. a michigan man should speak like one.
Write like one.
Did you read some of the quotes from his former players this weekend? A number of his boys are still acting like just that -- boys.
It's truly a shame that we placed a great emphasis on beating OSU? Sorry, but we are Michigan. We have a number of standards here and one of them is competing strongly with Ohio State. The day we lose that is the day we become Northwestern.
...news. A well deserved honor for Coach Carr.
I do not believe there is anyone out there that is more deserving than Lloyd Carr. Congratulations Coach.
It's great to see a man like him get in and only men like him deserve to be there.
If Lloyd Carr were the standard, there would be significantly fewer coaches in the HOF.
No question, Jim, Lloyd Carr is having a tremendous spring. I think he's going to be a real special player for our team this season, and beyond that, he's just an outstanding young man. Did you know he writes poetry? He was just in my office the other day...
Oh, wait, what are we talking about?
well deserved he did it right
If the NCAA doesn't put their foot down, he could someday end up next to Sweatervest. They'd better. Coach Carr deserves so much better than that.
Remember when going 8-4 was considered a bad year? That was the reality when Lloyd Carr was our coach. Last year we were happy to get to seven wins. There is nothing wrong with wanting the perfection that we experienced in the national championship year but we didn't always do a good job of appreciating what we had-a clean, winning program that turned out outstanding young men. I am not a RR basher but we have to return to some of the glory we experienced under Lloyd.
Yes, we were so "happy" to get seven wins last year that we FIRED THE COACH.
I was a freshman Carr's last season, and just happened to run into him at the corner of state and packard one day on my way to the gym. Anyways, being the feable minded freshman that I was, I could only come up with saying, "go blue" with an awkward smile. Nonetheless, Carr responded with an enthusiastic, "go blue back" like only a father/grandpa could, and gave me that million dollar grin.
Long story short: Carr is like that favorite grandpa you always wanted to be around as a kid.
Did you think it was weird when he said "go blue back"?
My bit of inebriation changed "go blue" back to "go blue back". Sorry for the confusion.
Great Coach and class act.
Also got Michigan national titile.
but he did a lot for the game when he was on the rules commity for the big ten. if my memory serves me correct he was a leading voice in getting instant replay in the big ten, and who can forget getting the time keeper changed to a league official so little bro does not get an extra 2 seconds at the end of a game force me to punch a whole in the wall at my friends appartment.
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Lloyd and Cooper should be forever joined at the hip. Cooper couldn't beat Michigan to save his life and he got shit canned because of it. At the end of his career, Lloyd couldn't beat OSU to save his life, but Bill Martin didn't seem to care.
uh...yah... Lloyd Beat the Hell out of Cooper when odds were even up that both programs were at least above moral ground with the NCAA..
then the Vest comes in...and C Bus blatently pays and compensates players for the Vest's entire era... and the Vest lies about it continuously until it bites him in the ass...
and the fact that the Vest had to CHEAT to pull out some close games vs. Lloyd Carr teams that were HONORABLE ...*quite a few close ones in fact.....
and that is on Lloyd??? the fact that he was essentially playing college kids vs. compensated professionals?
I know what I am saying can be taken by some on the surface as "revisionist history"...
but the facts that continue to come out of C Bus show that it isnt.....revisionist history is/was REALITY.... Michigan was at a decided disadvantage vs. OSU in the later half of the 00s ... and NOT due to coaching... not at all....
Go Blue..this shit is changing. KARMA will bite C Bus in the ass
A class act all the way and one hell of a football coach.
Good coaches think a lot of Lloyd Carr and they all know a great deal more about coaching than we do.
http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/ex-michigan-coach-lloyd-carr…
“It’s an unbelievable honor,” Carr said. “If you’re a college football coach and you have the great fortune to have the players that I had, that’s really how I got there. You don’t win games and you don’t do the things this program has done unless you have not only great athletes but people willing to be part of a team and play a role.” Carr credited his players and coaches for helping him reach this point, including former Michigan coaches Bo Schembechler and Gary Moeller. He learned to be a coach under both of them before taking over Michigan.
Carr will be the fourth Michigan head coach inducted into the College Hall of Fame, joining Fritz Crisler, Fielding Yost and Carr’s mentor, Schembechler. “Any coach would be happy, I learned from all of them and what they did here was something,” Carr said. “I tried to learn from (it) and tried to read everything I could find about them through the years. “If you can look back at that history of what Fritz and Yost did and tie all that together, it makes a difference.”
So, I guess all that "was just an ok coach" stuff doesn't jibe with the people who know college football....unless "ok" = "HoF".
...the sixth Michgan head coach inducted into the CFB HoF. In addition to Yost, Crisler, and Schembechler, Rothstein missed missed Tad Wieman (1927-28) & George Little (1924). Both found their greatest success after leaving Michigan, but they were both Michigan head coaches.
deserved.
Congrats to Coach Carr.
I don't agree that Carr should be in the Hall of Fame, but there are definitely ppl in there who deserve it less than him...
P.S. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but I am (understandably) very dissatisfied with Carr's performance since I was a UM fan, 2004-present.
To those who feel the need to disparage Lloyd Carr on this thread, please shut up.
He was a very good football coach and an even better human being.
How many coaches have a national championship on their resume?
His record on the field proves he's worthy of such an honor.
I have my problems with his coaching as well, but a thread like this is neither the time nor the place to bring them up.
Congrats to Coach Carr.
Congrats to Coach Carr. One of the greatest men you could ever hope to meet. A true leader and a man of great integrity. I really miss his classic halftime interviews.
*122-40 (81-23) record as head coach
*1 national championship
*5 big 10 championships
Given how competitive the Big 10 was during that period, that's quite an accomplishment. The only coach who outdid that record in the period is Tressel. Unlike Carr's, though, his accomplishments will forever be accompanied by an asterisk. Maybe a little boring at times, and certainly there were some heartbreaking losses, but let's not forget that he was one of our most successful coaches ever, and that's saying something at Michigan. Some of my highlights:
*1995 and 1996 upsets of OSU
*Entire 1997 season
*1998 shutout of Penn State
*1999/2000: bowl win over Alabama, which is still the best football game I've ever seen
*2000 upset of OSU and bowl win over Auburn
*2001 shutout of Penn State
*2002 upset of Washington and bowl win over Florida
*2003 38-0 win over Notre Dame
*2003 upsets of Little Brother and OSU (yes, LB was higher ranked than us that year)
*2004 epic overtime win over Little Brother (might even add the Texas Rose Bowl here, even though we lost, because that was clearly a "whoever has the ball last" game, and they had VY)
*2005 epic overtime win over Little Brother part 2
*2006 those glorious first 10 games
*2007 38-0 over Notre Dame and bowl victory over Tebow Florida
If the test of greatness is ... did he leave the program in better shape than when he accidently inherited it ... then Lloyd Carr is not a Hall of Fame coach.
From what I understand, he is a nice man. But the fact remains, he finished 1-6 against Ohio State, and in his final year his #5 team lost to Appalachian State and was embarrassed by Oregon. And he left the player and coaching cupboard empty when he faded away.
At the end of the day, he was a good man, but a coach who had 13 years to make the program better than it was when he inherited it. But he didn't. A lot of revisionist historians focus on 1997. Remind me what he did over the next 10 years after he no longer had Gary Moeller's juniors and seniors on his roster?
Does Lloyd Carr deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? Well, If John Cooper is there, then Lloyd certainly deserves it, too. Doesn't seem like much of a Hall of "Fame" to me..