Attempt to calm everyone down: Duke hasn't lost in Cameron in 12 years against non-conference teams. Michigan is young. Stauskas did not look 100% tonight. This team will improve, all of Beilein's teams do. Two years ago they started conference play 1-6 and still made the tourney. Coach can turn them around and I think he will. Michigan was probably overrated to start the year but they will be about a 20-25th ranked team. I believe all will be fine.
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But this was really a disappointing performance. If I had not watched the game and saw "oh, Michigan lost by 10" I would have probably just blamed it on Cameron and youth.
But the team looked so...bleh. Very discouraging
Team didn't play well at all. Still would've been nice to have those 5 points off the board in the first half...
Lost by 10. Wasn't even that close.
I'm not sure what everyone expected, this is about as tough of an early December game that there is and this is a young team. I liked that they were in the game most of the night, considering how poor they shot the ball, and how poor the officiating was in the 1st half. Calm down torch and pitchfork crowd is really what I'm trying to say.
This is very true. It's just getting frustrating to see the team coming out with very little offensive firepower. This was a very beatable Duke team tonight, they didn't play great. Shame we couldn't take advantage.
WIN ALL THE GAMES!!!
Michigans played one tough ass schedule this season and we havent had a chance to catch our breaths. @ ISU and @ Duke are difficult to play. People forget our toughest nonconference road win last season was Bradley and they won 18 games last season. I dont think last seasons team wins either of these games anyhow. Just be patient they showed they can hang with the best.
GRIII, Morgan, and Horford just do not look improved at all. Expected for Morgan and Horford, but GRIII has been a huge disappointment. I actually expected him to be better than THJ, and he's not even close to that.
Ohio State in football and Duke in basketball within 4 days of each other. That's freaking brutal as I hate no two teams more.
Wait until OSU plays in the NC and MSU plays in the Rose Bowl.
Just DISSAPEARED...Morgan and Hereford just NONEXISTENT...
Meh. Stauskas may still be injured and Duke hounded him all game long, GRIII never shows up, and I don't know what you expected Morgan and Horford to do since they rarely contribute anything major.
Especially given that 5 points were outright handed to Duke by the refs in the first half. We lost an NBA backcourt, we're young, they're a top 10 team, and our best players clearly needed a kick in the ass.
This is a tourney team that will have a chance to pull an upset to get to the second weekend. The ceiling of our recent past is not bad for a rebuilding year.
Michigan was outclassed, and the fact is Duke missed a lot of open threes. Michigan made up a chunk of what was once an 18-point deficit in garbage time.
Yet was 6-12 all night, then Duke scored a few, then UM scored a few. 10 was about right
Our garbage time offense was the only offense we had all game. Maybe we should have just done that the whole game.
Didn't get to see the game, but did get to see this pop up in my feedly when I got home
was his best shot all nite.
I'm surprised Duke left it undefended.
People need to relax its still early and your playing at Duke again i still think will be fine we just got so used to winning last season. Again we will be just fine. Not to mention Big ten aint looking that good this season
but if you thought the football games against MSU and OSU were ugly, the basketball games are looking even worse.
Vermont hung 90 on them. They aren't Duke of the past.
Vermont was hitting shots. We were bricking bunnies.
How many games are we going to use this excuse? Once it happens on a regular basis it becomes part of who you are. This team struggles mightily in the half court against legitimate competition.
I do agree that GRIII looks awful though. Such a disappointment. He gets his dramatic dunk for the game and then settles for jumpers. This whole team needs to drive to the rim more, even if it's not for two points just get in the lane and make the defense collapse.
GR3 and Parker look the same body wise but oh how they play differently
That's comical to me. I think Parker looks much more solid and strong.
Parker is about three inches taller and easily has 20 pounds of muscle on Robinson.
Not saying a loss ends the season, but where is the leadership? There is no fire in this team.
Wait, I thought you said this team is garbage? If so, isn't the season kind of already a loss?
Seriously. Just stop.
Stop what? Speaking the truth? Such high expectations by many on here for a team that lost their leadership. Just be prepared that this season isn't going to end well.
Gonna be a long year.
Goody. You're back.
I learned my lesson last season, could people have been more down on the team when the tournament started? Basketball can go any way and the talent on this team can go plenty far. I'll keep watching and hoping they put it together.
LeVert and McGary looked fine. Stauskas is obviously hurt.
GR3 continues to look like...nothing. Literally forgot about him most of the game because he couldn't be less of a factor.
The Arizona game is going to be miserable. Going on the road during B1G is going to be miserable.
I've got an honest question. After we started 16-0 last season did you expect us to never lose? Why does a road game against DUKE spell doom for the rest of the season on the road? Hell the Arizona game is at home that can easily be a very close game.
Because MGoBlog has become a uber- reactionary shit-tastic MLive doppelgänger.
I don't think a comment like, "Gosh, going on the road in the B1G is going to be brutal," or "GR3 continues to disappear in big games" are uber-reactionary. I think they're pretty safe assumptions.
All negative comments aren't shit-tastic. C'mon now.
I'm not talking about you - just in general, MGoBlog has not only become emo, we make emo kids cry. So every time we lose a game (even to good opponents) we have a rush of "sky is falling" comments that clog up the blog. I'm not sunshine in a bottle myself, but we played like crap tonight and only lost by 10. I mean, give us an average shooting night (most of our misses were not caused by Duke), take away the bogus 3, and we're either WAAAY closer or we win. I know that didn't happen, but it's hard to stomach this place much anymore.
I WILL concede that if we play this shitty all season, the B1G and Arizona are going to be about as fun as a dong-punch.
Haha. Spot on
I expected a few losses last year. Last year's team was quite obviously on a different level than this year's team.
A road loss at Duke doesn't spell doom for the rest of the season. Not at all. But when you string together the poor opening half versus UMass Lowell with the poor road shooting at Iowa State, Florida State, and Duke and the completely uninspired everything against Charlotte, you start to create an expectation of what this team is going to realistically achieve, at least at this point in time.
No doom or gloom. Just tapered expectations. That could change. But you can't look at the team's performance thus far and expect a 12-6 or better record in B1G play, even with the league looking less formidable than last year.
Leadership? Cohones? Coaching? GRIII doesn't appeared to have improved at all and that is huge; he was expected to be a big piece of the puzzle going forward. They don't look like they have that 'champion' kind of look to them when they are on the road. They need to take big strides if they expect to get to the sweet 16, if even that far.
McGary did not look fine save 3 plays.
He had a rough start. I didn't think he played poorly though.
He didn't have a huge impact defensively, but 15 points and 14 rebounds against a top-10 team on the road isn't bad. Especially coming off an injury.
He was literally the only rebounding presence we had and did adequate there, but he looked more like Jordan Morgan in the paint on offense than the McGary that abused Jeff Withey. Very underwhelming performance
Yeah a lot of his points came at the end and he wasn't full-on NCAA McGary, but I'd hardly call his rebounding presence "adequate". It's an absolute asset on this year's team.
he can't pass himself the ball. and he was a beast on the boards and the guys he guarded did nothing.
Even when they got him the ball. Look at what Perry Ellis did against the Duke frontline.
I know I'm holding McGary to a high standard...but I think it's warranted. He was facing players he should have dominated, and while he played fine, he didn't dominate them by any means.
15 pts and 14 reb in 29 min. i will take that every nite. GRIII, Morgan and Hortford, on the other hand, combined for a grand total of 4 rebounds. pathetic against that relatively small lineup of Duke.
I've read Stauskas looked good at practice and the shoot around. I don't think his ankle is responsible. Duke made a point of stopping him and he just seemed to accept that (I don't think he works hard to get open).
We've become too dependent on Stauskas' threes. Everyone else was afraid to take one when he was shut down.
1. I've often thought that other coaches (like Coach K) are way overrated and Beilein should be mentioned in that realm. Today, I had to eat my words. Coach K was a mile ahead of Beilein all night. Every time we switched to 1-3-1, Duke got an open three-pointer. When Spike Albrecht was in the game, they ran him through screens or simply abused him with Cook. When Morgan was in the game, Duke crashed the glass and went hard to the paint and bullied him in the paint on offense. Not to rip on Beilein, but this is why Coach K is the winningest coach of all time.
2. Morgan is not a B1G-caliber rotation player. Last year he might have been because of his ability to draw charges, but under the new rules he can't even do that. McGary and Horford both bring better length, athleticism, offensive ability, touch...Morgan is this year's Vogrich.
3. Walton made some awful passes but I was really impressed with him. Besides LeVert, he was the only player that found a way to make things happen off the dribble. I think Beilein should have played him more. Also, when he was in the game it felt like he was at least able to gamely defend Cook, unlike Albrecht who was a revolving door.
4. The team was mentally somewhere else. Maybe the calls in the beginning got to them, maybe they didn't react to the crowd well...but mental errors and focus were clearly issues. I don't want to make excuses because Duke deserved to win, but it's a disturbing trend.
5. If an NBA team is paying me millions of dollars to be its general manager, I'm not picking Glenn Robinson III before the late second round. His jump shot is good, not great, and he has a terrible habit of passing up open three's for contested mid-range jumpers. So far, he is Michigan's most disappointing player.
6. Irvin should have seen more time.
Overall, the team is still learning and growing. I, for one, did not expect Michigan to beat Duke on the road (though I expected a slightly closer game). After two years of going undefeated at home until the last game, expect Arizona to change that trend with a double-digit win. Hopefully, we will see Michigan put up more of a fight, but the minute we have to defend Tarczewski with Morgan the game will be over.
Pretty much sucks. We'll be forced to go a lot of 2 bigs in that game, but Tarczewski is about the player I'm 5th most worried about.
GRIII lacks heart and fire, Stauskas seemed a little slower than normal but he still nutted up in my opinion. Theres no way he should have been held to 2 shots. Come on man 2SHOTS!?! I could have came in and done more. Caris is the one player that has never been scared of the moment and Im impressed by his efforts. He may have to become the leader of this team...
Unfortunately I don't think GRIII has any great leaps of improvement left. Time to move Lavert or Irvin ahead of him in the rotation. On this years team the chances of victory are going to be too small for the invisible man to play meaningful minutes.
I don't know why Smot left but he was the 6'9-6'10 guy who can stretch the floor type that Beilein loves in his system.
For all the shit we give GRIII, he actually did a good job making Parker work for his points. If Smot had to guard him, Parker would have had 40
It is becoming clear to me that Trey Burke covered up a lot of our flaws last year and made some of these guys appeared to be better than they really are. I know it is still early but this team has a ways to go.
Just like Denard.
Those were some special players.
Next up . . .we're going to miss Gallon big time next year.
Trey was also the vocal leader of the team. It is clear that this team misses Trey's leadership as much as his performance on the court.
Agreed. At times tonight it looked like we were just out there as individuals instead of one cohesive unit.
say he covered up flaws but rather he got the ball to guys in the spots they wanted. And he wasn't afraid to keep his dribble while waiting for a play to develop. Still, I remember Michigan struggling when their transition game was contained.
You might be asleep awhile.
Do you not remember beating Kansas and Syracuse in the tourney last year?
Hey, at least free-throw shooting looked solid. 16-19, and Stauskas had missed two of those. That'll be important in physical B1G play.
The PG is the leader on the floor and unfortunately that leadership has moved on to Utah. Walton needs to be more assertive and commanding on the floor.
Too many minutes for Spike tonight, especialyl considering he was not up to the defensive task of slowing down Cook
Everyone stay positive please! We started the season ranked in the top 10, but we've just had a couple setbacks and should be right back up in that range after a few more weeks. Young team is still finding their chemistry. Go Blue!
The Osu game and the duke game tonight. Which explains why I am still up drinking. Great bar in chapel hill called crunkletons. Phenomenal selection of cocktails and beer. had a number of founders drafts (love the red rye) and a few greyhounds with fresh squeezed grapefruit juice. I was thinking wowI just spent a lot of money to see two tough losses. But goddamn I love the University of Michigan and will never stop and I know great days are ahead of us.
I really hope none of our players or recruits read mgoblog. So many people are so quick to say how terrible our players are and that they have no heart, etc. when we don't win (or if we don't win convincingly enough). I am ashamed for our fanbase - what happened to supporting our players and teams? I will admit I am guilty of it at times, too, but many of you sound worse than what our rivals would say about our players. If you want to piss and moan about our michigan athletes please go do it somewhere else.