The lions got robbed. I still think that rule is the dumbest thing i have ever heard.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
It's that or the tuck rule.
(As would Chad Henne if Big Ten refs didn't have their head up their asses).
If it looks like a catch, feels like a catch, smells like a catch, and tastes like a catch, you can bet the NFL will still somehow come up with an abitrary rule that can make it an incompletion.
I think that's the essence of it right there. If it wasn't in the endzone, it's a catch no question. Absolute tomfoolery.
The rule is that you must control the ball through the entire process of hitting the ground. So technically as the last part of him hit the ground and he willingly dropped the ball to go celebrate (anything else is of course a penalty), he did not technically "complete the catch" and thus it is not a completed pass.
Of course, to anyone watching he obviously completed the catch, but that doesn't matter.
Would it still be an incompletion if, while falling down, he intentionally spiked the ball in celebration?
Apparently, Mendenhall completed the process. Maybe there is no process when you run into the endzone. I would love for the NFL to explain why and what the difference is between the running/passing processes.
I am a packers fan so I couldn't care less who wins that game but that was the worst call i have seen in my life by a mile... wow... just wow.
Jim Joyce disagrees.
Just repeat "Denard Robinson" over and over again and it will make you feel better.
I want to die
Even by that rule it was still a touchdown. He came down with the ball and was in the act of getting back up when dropped out of the back of the endzone.
Two feet, knee, elbow, shoulder...
Don't forget his butt was on the ground as well
with the endzone to have a TD??? So if he did this on the one yard line, would that fall under 'break the plane'? Probably! Oh, I was soooo pissed...
anger double post...
he had one foot, two feet, and ass down on the ground in the endzone all with the ball under control....of course it was not a catch. fuck the nfl, that was beyond a robbery
Just another reason college football blows the NFL away.
Does anyone know what play or plays last year inspired the pussies in the NFL officiating committee to come up with this ridiculous "process" rule? Isn't it a ref's fucking job to make judgment calls?
This post from a Bear's fan, mind you.
they make up rules as they go along.. i see players all the time drop the ball after hitting the ground... i guess it doesn't matter that he got to feet in.. he also had his ass on the ground along with being touched by a defender.. total bullshit call
Good point, I forgot he was also down by contact.
Without a doubt the worst call I have ever seen in professional football.
I've been watching football for about 42 years. Worst fucking call I can ever remember. I understand the "control" part of the rule, but Calvin caught the ball, both feet down, KNEE down, hip down, still controlled the ball in his hand when he downed the ball on the ground.
WTF was left to do? Rub his scrotum on the ball before handing it to the ref? I saw TWO cases over the weekend where guys dropped the ball before crossing the goal line. Both were counted as TDs.
This rule is ridiculous!!! He had two feet down, possession of the ball, then he set the ball down to go celebrate.
We get robbed again...jim joyce...We have some bad luck. I blame Calvin a little but it should be a catch. He dropped the ball getting back up to his feet. What's the difference if some catches it in the endzone then throws it away. Isn't that the same thing.
That was such BS. It was clearly a touchdown yet the NFL is determined to have these insanely idiotic and unncessary rules that make their just take away from the actual on-field product. Heads up to the NFL, the fans hate these rules.
1) f Notre Dame player drops ball before crossing goaline - TD
2) If Calvin Johnson catches ball, gets two feet in bounds, and his butt touches the ground - not a TD
3) And if a Notre Dame defender shoves the qb in the face and grabs his mask it's not a penalty.
One of the worst calls in the history of sports. Detroit teams have been getting fucked by the long dick of terrible officiating this year.
Even by their definition, it was still a touchdown. After he had possession, he committed a second act of stretching out the ball. 2nd act. Touchdown.
LOUCKOUT PLEASE, save me from this bullshit, if i cared about the Lions half as much as I do Michigan i probably would have punched a hole in the wall by now
I no longer believe in the NFL officiating because of that idiotic decision
what a story it could have been 2 have the lions start out 1-0.. especially with an ending like that.
i think this catch will be seen tommorow all over the news and may even change some rules if enough people get pissed.. Fuck the NFL.
I've just been looking at pictures of Denard smiling... it's the only cure for such anger
Probably the worst call i've seen in a very long time. Sheer bullshit.
Absolutely essential. Sometimes.
It just seems like you can make those sort of bad calls against the Lions in the NFL and get away with it. I guess a Chicago home opening victory is more important to the NFL then the Lion's ending their long road losing streak!!! Oh well, I feel sorry for them but at least we have our wolverines!
I wouldn't put it past the refs to hose the Buffalo Bills in a similar fashion, but I feel your pain.
Jim Schwartz says so.
Jim Schwartz is a class individual who wants his team to move on to the next game.
For me? Fuck the NFL.
Well, the former head of officiating said on the air while they were reviewing it that it was an incomplete pass. So the Lions didn't get screwed by the refs. The rule is dumb, but it's the rule, made as part of the NFL's continuing effort to remove as many judgment calls as possible from their refs (see: tuck rule, no more completions on force outs, all contact to head of QB is a flag no matter what, etc.)
Maybe the Lions should be (and I'm sure Schwartz is) more concerned that they were outgained by 300 yards by a team whose defense sucked last year and whose line couldn't block anyone in the preseason.
When your starting quarterback misses most of the game.
is that there is still a judgement call, which is "did he start a second move"?
if, for example, he had performed the exact same catch and then kind of twisted towards the goal line in an attempt to score a TD, it would be considered a second move and thus not part of the initial process.
it is always a judgement call.
at some point, you just have to go with what's obvious: he caught it.
Who cares what the rule says. We all saw it. It was a catch by any definition. If it doesn't piss you off that the nfl can find a way to call a perfectly good catch, not a catch then you need to grow a pair.
Backus whiffed on at least four different occasions on pass pro. He looked like a rocket league offensive lineman. He and Raiola need to be jettisoned now. The Lions' investment in Stafford was compromised because he sucks.
I don't even know what to say. I'm fuming mad. On a scale of 1 to perfect game, that rates "Jim Joyce" except without the integrity of Joyce because you know you won't get an apology out of them, just some bull shit made up explanation.
I stopped watching the NBA twenty years ago. Today I stopped watching the NFL.
Ever heard of "fan loyalty" Roger Goodell? It's a double-edged sword.
I wish they would allow more common sense. The roughing penalties for grazing the qb's helmet with a pinkie really get me. I understand safety, but come on. It is getting less enjoyable to watch every year. They are turning an emotional, dramatic game and turning it into a beaurocratic nightmare.
The series the refs took from the Kings made me angry. The series they took from the Mavs and gave to the Miami Wades made me suspicious. The series they took from the Pistons and gave to the LeBrons forced me to stop watching the NBA. That entire league is a joke. The call today made me suspicious.
You must be younger than me by several years. For me it was the Jordan era.
Calvin Johnson is on it.
The announcers brought up a great point about hitting the pylon. The ball often comes out. How many times does this happen with a catch close to the goal line as the reciever attempts to stretch the ball across the plane.
i know i already posted my venting over this bs but the guys on the NFL network made a good point. when your at the 1 yard line and a player barely touches that imaginary goal line that goes up to heaven and then the ball gets knocked out of his hands the play is considered a touchdown. i guess when you catch a ball in the endzone you need to sit down and build yourself a damn teepee and sit there for 2 days before they call it a touchdown..hate the nfl refs
sorry, can't embed. officiating makes me sad panda.
I don't see how it was a "dumb rule"
He clearly caught the pass and fell back and remained inbounds
YET IT'S "INCOMPLETE"
We all saw it, we all saw him catch it and fall down, I don't give a damn what anyone says about some obscure rule, it was a TOUCHDOWN
For anyone to say anything different because of a vagary or technicality is ridiculous...it was a TOUCHDOWN no doubt about it! Players score touchdowns and drop the football all the time! And this was the only time that they call it incomplete.
Charles woodson just picked off Eagles btw
Woodson's INT got reversed.
Today, I figured opening game why not. That last play will keep me away for years. Caught the ball, 2 feet in bounds ... twice then disallowed. Must have been Jim Joyces brother.
WHY DOES THIS RULE EVEN EXIST
WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT
OH MY GOD DUDE
SOMEONE POST SOME DENARD VID
It's to remove all judgment calls from the officials.
WHY DOES THIS RULE EVEN EXIST
WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT
OH MY GOD DUDE
SOMEONE POST SOME DENARD VID
do not want to try to understand. It occurs all the time - a receiver making a catch in the air must maintain control as his body hits the ground. Not when a knee hits the ground, or elbow or hand. Instead of Megatron pulling the ball into his body, he extended it out and lost control as he hit the ground.
Seems like "delusional" people like you don't want to try and understand that Calvin made the catch, feet, ass, elbow on the ground in the endzone, rolled over, made a second move, and the ball popped out during his celebration. If you watch football and know football that is a catch.
He didn't even lose control of the ball. He set it down as he was standing up to celebrate. There is no doubt that he caught the ball and had control of it through his landing in the endzone. I guess you could argue about whether he left it on the ground on purpose or accidentally, but in either case this happened as he was standing back up, not "as he hit the ground".
OH MY GOD IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN
Its pretty bad to rob a team like that when it clearly was a catch, especiall a team that needs any win it can get after the last two seasons of a combined 2-30 record.
Its all Jeff Backus' fault. If he could block anyone Stafford wouldn't have gotten hurt and we probably crush the Bears. I knew as soon as Stafford went down we were in trouble. Backus has been terrible for about the last 5 years, I love him bc he is a Michigan man but the dude cannot play left tackle anymore. His missed block on Peppers just got our franchise QB injured. They never said how bad it was, I hope its not serious or our season is pretty much done after the first game.
If I was authorized to pos bang you, the number above would be yours plus infinity. Backus should be waived immediately for looking worse on several plays than most high school tackles. I understand he was up against Peppers and NFL speed guys on the edge, but he whiffed a bunch.
I'm a Bears fan and it was the worst call I've ever seen.
does anyone have a link to the rule - not an interpretation but the exact wording. i'm curious. i always thought this rule related to a simulataneous dive/catch maintaining control scenario. good lord, the guy backpedalled 3 or 4 steps before hitting the ground on his butt. then turning, then dropped the ball as he was trying to get up. absurd!
that's exactly what I thought. OMG once he took TWO FUCKING STEPS followed by a knee, the catch was good and the play was 100% over.
BTW, who the fuck overruled the official in the end zone who originally called it a TD???
Absurd fuck job by the NFL.
watching the WWE errrr the NFL years ago. It's just another boxed canned, flaked and formed meat product for easy consumption by the masses. The No Fun League as a I recall.
The NFL is all about the highest bidder and the lowest common denomenator. THat product no longer looks like football. You cannot touch the QB the rules are decidedly against the Defensive side of the ball. and after 70+ years they still have not figured how to end an overtime game. EFF the NFL
Mayhew is the one to blame. Last year instead of drafting Michael Oher, he takes a TE. So instead of drafting a Franchise Tackle, to protect your Franchise QB... he takes a Tight End with the 20th pick in the draft. We were told that Pettigrew is an elite player. So far the guy the Lions traded to Denver, Dan Gronkowski... the 255th player taken in the 2009 draft, has been a better football player.
If Jason Fox doesn't pan out, they will have to spend another 1st round pick on an offensive player to protect Stafford. All because, they wasted the 20th pick last year... and so it goes.
That they NEVER should have drafted a TE with that pick, especially when there was still some very good olineman on the board. That said, there is no denying that Backus has been terrible the last couple years. I'm sure we can agree that they better use this years first round pick on a stud left tackle or Stafford will get injured again.
Hes been weak thus far as a left tackle in the few games he replaced gaither in. Pettigrew can help at least as much providing chip blocking and a safety valve, as opposed to a guy who is a good run blocker and only an ok pass blocker.
Oher at left tackle = a regular right tackle. Remember that Falco is left-handed and his blind side is his right... therefore the RT is really the LT.
A teams top defensive end will be matched up against a left tackle no matter what. If that was true then Gaither would be baltimores right tackle, as he's one of the best in the game.
Has always been a Right Tackle. Except for a few games last year, this is the first time he has played Left exclusively. I would rather have Oher, a 2nd year player learning how to play Left Tackle(who finished 2nd for Offensive Rookie of the Year) then Pettigrew. He had a great game today, he really bailed out the Lions, 1 catch for 6 yards and a drop.
I guess we just disagree. I hope for the Lions sake, Pettigrew turns into the 2nd coming of Tony Gonzalez.