fair point that
I am not really disagreeing with you, but has your franchise won only one playoff game in fifty years? I understand what you are saying about fans being quick to complain and jump ship but when you have had arguably the best running back ever and now one of the best receivers, yet you still can't put together a consistent franchise there has to be something wrong in the offices. We drafted a guy who purposely lined up in the wrong spot. multiple minor violations and run ins with the law. We throw the ball so much more than other teams in the league because we can't establish any resemblance of a run. Idk if Shwartz & Mayhew should be fired now, but they should be on a short leash, especially if these larger issues are not addressed in the off season.
I would usually defend a franchise's "off year" based on all the injuries the Lions have suffered. But, after seeing the kind of talent the Packers have drafted and picked up off waivers the last couple years, and seeing undrafted linemen hold their own week after week, it's obvious the Lions have no clue how to stack a 53 team roster. They are pretty good in their 1-deep, but after that you are one injury away from scrambling to find a starter (this year they started practice squad guys at CB, S, WR, TB and all but for Bell are busts)
I hate the Bears and really want them to miss the play-offs but I also want Maybew and Shwartz gone and a better draft pick. Oh who to root for?
Root for your team. Whatever is going to happen is going to happen.
Plus I really hate the Bears
The Lions are the Cubs of football and for some reason I am a fan of both franchises.
The Lions have been getting top-5 draft picks for years and nothing has come of them in terms of postseason results. What makes you think one more top-5 pick is going to do anything?
It's not Schwartz. It's the Fords. The Lions desperately need new ownership, something which will unfortunately never happen.
The only plus the Fords have to their name as far as owners go is that they drafted Sanders and Megatron. Other than that, it's nothing but decades of futility.
Can we the people fire the owners?
That would have been done a long time ago if it was possible.
Dear God, no.
Does anyonone have a link to watch the game?
Tell no one.
I hear Pat Shurmur will be back on the market real soon.
Clean house and rebuild the right way, not just promoting a Millen student and picking a rookie head coach.
Get an assistant GM from a recently dominant team, get a proven coach, and will someone please wipe out the entire scouting dept.? Our drafts have sucked. I think we have a talent scout who has been with the team since the 80s.
I would say get rid of the Fords but that's very unlikely unless the old man croaks soon and Jr. takes over which I think would improve the organization somewhat.
A fish rots from the head down. As long as Ford owns this team don't expect any miracles. When I was in high school circa 1980, the team's slogan was "Restore the Roar." I can't believe I'm talking about this 30 years later.
Wow, I didn't know that fish rot was directional. Yet again I have learned something new at mgoblog.
A figure of speech.
The off/on the field issues are the most worrysome to me. The Lions have always sucked and most likely always will but now they are shitty football playing thugs.
people need to quit GOING TO THESE GAMES every week. make them play with the stadium 3/4 empty. until the Ford's see their profits drop significantly we're gonna have this BS every year
If people really hate the Lions they need to start saying it by closing their wallets not opening their mouths. Owners are business people and don't give a fuck what people say. If they're still paying, all is good in their minds.
You might as well get rid of Schwartz too. Even if he survives this season, next year would be his last if we didn't make the playoffs. No coordinator would come if he knew he might be out of job after one year.
CBS did a nice little write-up regarding this - (LINK)
Among some of the more illuminating statements -
"It'd be hard to blame that lack of regard for the team and the law solely on Schwartz. Of course, Schwartz also is probably the easiest person to blame in this situation." - when discussing discipline issues
If the Fords are disillusioned with the culture in the locker room, then it is not entirely clear that firing Schwartz totally resolves this particular issue, although it is easier to replace the coach and potentially certain members of management than let go of otherwise talented players. For a family that dabbles in a top ten Fortune 500 company, they don't seem to understand this aspect of leading change very well.
Even if you have a roster that is strong enough to at least do respectably in the league, if you feel as if you cannot count on your teammates to keep the team in mind and put the team in a position to win, then even your best and most well-meaning players will be reluctant to give 100%, especially if the issues are allowed to linger.
I have to believe that, despite the head-scratching drafts of the Lions (and these definitely contribute to the lack of depth at key positions), part of the problem is cultural. It might very well be that Schwartz, in the end, is not the person to lead such a charge, but it is something that needs to change or it will likely be the case that anyone who is hired will have more trouble winning consistently in Detroit than they might in other places.
That is a photographer for Ford Motor. He's works for Ford Sr. I asked my dad's friend what Senior thought of the Lions. Ford's answer was , "Bob, you don't need to win to be a winner."
People have to stop going to the games if there's to be change because that is what the owner thinks.
but I disagree and I think that would be giving them a free pass. We want answers!
I do think that the Fords care about the Lions winning. To suggest that they don't is to suggest that they're not even fans of their team. Does an increase in wealth decrease one's interest in the game? Or decrease their desire to see their own team win?
They need to get over themselves and admit this era of management is crap and start fresh there.
I haven't looked at the numbers for the Lions but there are plenty of owners, especially in smaller markets, that are not willing to take a loss on a pro team in order to fund a "championship" payroll. Perhaps Ford is not willing to reduce some of his $1.2B in net worth to fund a Super Bowl caliber team. Enough fans will keep coming at this level to make his hobby profitable while he maintains all the perks.
Think of the Lions as having ownership/management similar to Wisconson's AD/President whereas Dave Brandon, willing to pay top $ to assistant coaches, is more like to Illich (gotta like those Pizza guys)
Clearly Barry didn't think the Lions owernship was willing to do what it takes to field a winning team.
"Bob, you don't need to win to be a winner." Cue ka-ching effect.
So I guess the question is how much Ford still has to pay Schwartz even if he fires him. And I wasn't paying attention, but Schwartz got a "multi-year" contract extension last summer, so if it's 2 yrs, then he's around through 2014. I'd say Schwartz isn't going away any time soon.
As many have said, the team has done nothing since William Clay Ford Sr. bought the team in '63. Their last championship was in the 50's. It's been a long time but we wont have to wait another 50 years for the team to either be sold or pass to William Clay Jr. Since Jr. seems to be doing a decent job with the car company (I believe he's due some credit for turning it around and for steady leadership through 2008), there's hope he'll do the right thing by either turning the franchise around or selling it to someone who can.
Until the change of control happens there is no hope for the Lions.
Jr brought in Millen! This family is clueless when it comes to NFL football and nothing will change until there is a new owner. I wish we could pass a law to keep the Ford's Lions out of the state of MI. Just start a new expansion team and have the fan own the team!
I would say that Mayhew has had more hits than misses, but not nearly enough hits as an elite GM in the league. You need at least one more year to get the Millen years behind 'em.
That being said, I believe Swartz needs another year to truly determine if he is a good coach. Their record is much worse than the team is. However, I also thought RR needed one more year, which obviously was dead wrong.
I sure hope I didn't misspell a word, eliciting a handful of ridiculous replys that judge far less than the content of my post.
"Replies," not "replys."
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
I'd be looking at Mayhew before Schwartz. How can a guy get away with the weak drafts...Best (a concussion question coming out of college), Titus Young (an attitude question coming out of college) and Broyles (an injury problem coming out of college). How you can you gamble with so many high round draft picks, especially when representing a talent poor organization with little room for error.
Going into this year, I would have thought firing Schwartz for a sub-.500 season would be ridiculous but 7 (8?) straight losses and 0-5 (0-6?) in the division is awful, not matter how strong the NFC North looks. Losing to Houston, Indianapolis, and one each of Minnesota and Green Bay were inexcusable, and the Arizona and Tennessee games were just embarrassing.
Time for new blood, but if Schwartz is fired, I think the Detroit job has to be one of the better ones that will be available this year and with the team that is in place right now (minus the secondary and receivers) is certainly much better than walking into one of the Millen teams.
Interesting point about this being one of the better openings in the NFL this year if Schwartz is fired.
I wonder if Chip Kelly is a possibility. That'd be pretty random but stranger things have happened, and if nothing else it'd be an interesting ride with him at the helm. I have a feeling it'd be one of those things that'd either go really well or really terribly (aka, not any worse than the rest of our lifetime), so really there's only potential upside.
The only question is whether our offensive personnel would fit his system, but there's certainly a lot of talent for him to work with on offense.
Are Bill Cowher or Andy Reid.
Mine is Brian Kelly. Don't say he wouldn't come. He's a mercenary. Same allure that attracted Harbaugh would interest Kelly.
He would be a good fit for the Ford's. Keep the Lions about .500 and keep those fans filling the stadium!
... If it's one of the better jobs, but we draft poorly and have bad ownership, what makes it good?
At any rate, you haven't been watching if you think that losing to three of the best teams on our schedule (Green Bay, Houston, Indianapolis) was inexcusable. JJ Watt has a legitimate case for MVP, Rodgers is moving out of All-Pro status and into legendary company, and Luck has a good case for RotY. We don't have anyone playing that well except Megatron, and it is difficult to win games from WR. It's actually pretty hard to win games from any single position - can't run or throw if you can't win the line of scrimmage - but WR needs nearly everything else to work.
Arizona looks a lot worse now with QB5 and 6 running for cover, but they also beat New England.
In the last three years, I would say that Detroit has drafted the early rounds as good as anyone. Best and Young may be the biggest misses but they were productive when they played.
Agree on the losses being to good teams, but when they have been playing from behind most of the season and can't hold the few leads they do have, that is at least partially on the coaches.
he's going to throw for 5000 yards... he has no playmakers around him.
It's watching a bad drama that the makers expected to be taken seriously, yet is so bad it's funny. The owners just can't figure out why everyone is laughing.
"Springtime for Hitler"
Boom! The Producers'd! (and Godwin'd?)
Until they get competent ownership nothing else is going to matter. The Ford's need to fire themselves !!!!
Michigan fans vs Lions fans.
Michigan fans win.
One side One team
Hey guys I have an idea no one else has thought of yet:
The Fords should fire themselves.