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December 30th, 2012 at 8:04 PM | lol @ the Lions moving. (Score:2 Normal)
goblue20111
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lol @ the Lions moving.

December 30th, 2012 at 1:04 PM | I wish Lions Ownership would (Score:5 Normal)
VideoTom
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I wish Lions Ownership would be discussing firing Lions Ownership.

December 30th, 2012 at 1:23 PM | Yes (Score:5 Normal)
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Yes.  For the love of everything.  Get us new owners.  The Fords are the most incompetent family in the world.  I wish I could be a completely stupid billionaire simply because my great grandpa was a genius.

December 30th, 2012 at 1:40 PM | The Mccaskey family says hi! (Score:3 Funny)
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The Mccaskey family says hi!

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December 30th, 2012 at 2:44 PM | Seems pretty harsh (Score:3 Normal)
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Obviously William Clay Ford Sr. hasn't been a good owner but you could give his son a chance.

December 30th, 2012 at 3:14 PM | His son (Score:2 Normal)
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His son who they tried to put in charge of Ford Motor and quickly realized that he had no idea what he's doing, and sent him back to play with his father's real life train set that is the Lions?

December 31st, 2012 at 2:25 PM | A gross exaggeration of what (Score:2 Normal)
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A gross exaggeration of what happened. Bill Ford Jr. had a lot of really solid ideas for Ford that were way ahead of their time (like developing hybrids and getting into the public transportation business). Ford was in a shit spiral and bringing in a first time CEO was probably a really, really awful idea. And Ford himself stood aside in favor of someone with more experience.  

The guy's an MIT grad, I'm pretty sure he can figure what it takes to get an NFL team running smoothly. 

When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler

December 30th, 2012 at 1:29 PM | Can we move the team to LA (Score:-1 Offtopic)
December 30th, 2012 at 2:24 PM | I would love a Grand Rapids (Score:2)
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I would love a Grand Rapids franchise. It's a pain to drive 3 hours to the east side for every major sporting event.

December 30th, 2012 at 3:31 PM | Yeah having the DeVoses own a (Score:2)
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Yeah having the DeVoses own a sports team is an awesome idea.  Amway logos on the jerseys, just exactly what I want associated with my state.

 

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December 30th, 2012 at 4:23 PM | *cough*ORLANDOMAGIC*cough* (Score:3 Normal)
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*cough*ORLANDOMAGIC*cough*

December 31st, 2012 at 1:21 AM | I don't really care who owns it (Score:0 Overrated)
December 31st, 2012 at 2:33 PM | This isn't based on anything (Score:3 Normal)
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This isn't based on anything tangible. All of the wealth and power in this state are firmly entrenched in Oakland County, and everywhere outside of Detroit itself in the Detroit area posted growth at the last census. Grand Rapdisites can keep on dreaming, but odds are much better that Southeastern Michigan continues it's evolution into a polycentric urban area ala the Ruhr area of Germany. 

When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler

December 30th, 2012 at 1:14 PM | poor focus (Score:1 Normal)
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From the OP: "Mayhew put this roster together, and has to shoulder as much blame as anyone."

Sure about that? The Fords (as others have noted, the common thread in all the dysfunction of the past fifty years) are legendary for their micromanaging. Don't assume that they weren't calling the shots on some of the picks and roster moves. It has happened before (three straight WR as first round picks, etc.).

"..."

December 30th, 2012 at 1:36 PM | Really? (Score:1 Trolling)
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Yes, you're right, my entire topic should've been on firing the Ford's. While I completely agree that in the past, ownership has influenced draft choices, see Joe Harrington. But, for the sake of argument, now that Ford Jr. is more involved in the day to day operations, I think every draft since 09 has been Mayhew and company.

December 30th, 2012 at 1:19 PM | Can't.  NFL owners are not (Score:0 Overrated)
December 30th, 2012 at 1:42 PM | Except he said "in a dream (Score:1 Normal)
I Bleed Maize N Blue
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Except he said "in a dream world."

Michigan Resurgent?  Michigan Resurgent!

The beatings will continue until the uniforms improve!

December 30th, 2012 at 1:47 PM | I dont think thats the case... (Score:4 Informative)
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Saints owner Tom Benson bought the N.O. Hornets recently. Also, T.B. Bucs owner Malcom Glazer also owns Man U.  Not a U.S. pro team, but a pro team nonetheless.

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December 30th, 2012 at 1:46 PM | You are. NFL owners can't own (Score:5 Informative)
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You are. NFL owners can't own teams in competing NFL markets, but they can own teams in their own markets and in markets without NFL teams (Paul Allen owns the Seahawks and the Trail Blazers, Tom Benson owns the Saints and the Hornets)

When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler

December 30th, 2012 at 3:34 PM | And if memory serves, Kraft (Score:2)
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And if memory serves, Kraft owns the MLS team in Boston as well.

GO BLUE

December 31st, 2012 at 2:37 PM | That's a different story... (Score:1)
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That's a different story... soccer is exempted from ownership restrictions altogether, so any NFL owner can own any soccer team. 

When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler

December 30th, 2012 at 1:14 PM | Fuck it. Hire Nick Saban. (Score:2 Normal)
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Fuck it. Hire Nick Saban. After he skullfucks Notre Dame, of course.

I don't think Schwartz is going this season. Next year, OTOH, the hot seat is going to burn his asscheeks off. 

December 30th, 2012 at 1:45 PM | We should hire Nick Saban as (Score:3 Normal)
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We should hire Nick Saban as our head coach and Chip Kelly as our offensive coordinator.  

“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” - Bo Schembechler

December 30th, 2012 at 1:50 PM | IDK (Score:2)
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if Saban would be on-board w/ Chip Kellys extremely unsafe pace of play.

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December 30th, 2012 at 2:33 PM | I vote for.... (Score:3 Normal)
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John L. Smith as HC and Charlie Weis as OC.  They couldn't do any worse.

"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans!  Now go out there and make it happen!"

- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22  OSU 0)

December 30th, 2012 at 2:34 PM | I vote for.... (Score:2)
True Blue Grit
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John L. Smith as HC and Charlie Weis as OC.  They couldn't do any worse.

EDIT:  Oh, oh.  The dreaded double post.  Don't know how that happened.

"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans!  Now go out there and make it happen!"

- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22  OSU 0)

December 30th, 2012 at 2:22 PM | No run game (Score:1)
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No run game in the foreseeable future. Saban won't come here.

“A Michigan man will coach Michigan.” - Bo Schembechler
December 30th, 2012 at 1:17 PM | I put the blame on Schwartz (Score:1 Normal)
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I put the blame on Schwartz not Mayhew.  The Lions have playoff level talent (not Super Bowl talent, mind you).  There is no excuse for this team to be 4-11 and the amazing ways that they got to that record are mostly on Schwartz.  He has no control over his team.

December 30th, 2012 at 1:20 PM | I didn't liked Schwartz in (Score:1 Normal)
BlueInWisconsin
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I didn't liked Schwartz in the begining, but after last year I came around to thinking that he might actually be the guy to bring the Lions around to respectability.  Instead I sit here in Wisconsin and have to watch the Lions choke away another game against the Packers and have to listen to people bitch about the Lions being dirty. 

December 30th, 2012 at 1:21 PM | Best idea of 2012! Offer Urban Meyer 8 Mil a year (Score:3 Normal)
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and see how he reacts. The Fords can afford this now.

December 30th, 2012 at 2:01 PM | As much as I like this idea (Score:-1 Offtopic)
December 30th, 2012 at 2:21 PM | I'm afraid your imagination (Score:5 Normal)
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I'm afraid your imagination is lacking. Lions fans will approve of Saban or Urban if they win. In fact, why would any Lion fans be unhappy to see Urban ditch OSU after one season? Other than among the small contingent that are also OSU fans I think he would be a popular hire.

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December 30th, 2012 at 2:24 PM |  Why not have an ex-buckeye? (Score:3 Normal)
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 Why not? If he wins, Detroit would be more than happy to have him. Seems to me we had a LB who personified the franchise for years and was a total buckeye from head to toe plus never let anyone forget it. He was loved and still is for his grit and passion.

                                          

December 30th, 2012 at 8:09 PM | if it fucks over OSU, I'm for (Score:2 Normal)
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if it fucks over OSU, I'm for it.

December 30th, 2012 at 8:56 PM | I'm imagining your avatar (Score:2)
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I'm imagining your avatar speaking those words, and I like it.

Seriously, I guess you are all right.  If Urban would dump the Buckeyes after one year, most Michiganders would embrace it.  (The Spartan contingent will still hate Saban forever, or at least until that generation dies.)

December 30th, 2012 at 1:21 PM | what's their value? (Score:3 Normal)
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In contrast to other years, are the Lions such a laughable product now?

* Have people at skill positions (running game not included)

* Have some pieces on defense (secondary not included)

* continuity in ownership (yeah, I know its the fords)

But compared to other slots that might be opening (NYJ, Cleveland, Jacksonville) and compared to previous years, coaching the Lions might be one of the better jobs out there.

 

NB: Sure, I'll do it. Sign me up.

 

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December 30th, 2012 at 1:22 PM | Ya I agree it is time to get (Score:1)
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Ya I agree it is time to get rid of schwartz, lots of terrible game management and an inability to get this team to the next level with all of our talent says a lot

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December 30th, 2012 at 1:25 PM | That franchise hasn't made a (Score:1 Normal)
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That franchise hasn't made a wise or proactive decision in 55 years...who honestly believes that they will get this one right?

December 30th, 2012 at 1:45 PM | they drafted Barry and (Score:2 Normal)
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they drafted Barry and Calvin... and that is it in 55 years

December 30th, 2012 at 2:02 PM | Don't forget about Hanson (Score:3 Normal)
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Any player who can be on the Lions for over 2 decades deserves a spot in the hall of fame or at least the key to the city

This might sound arrogant, and if it is, it is. We’re Michigan.

December 30th, 2012 at 2:35 PM | Billy Sims was pretty good, (Score:2 Normal)
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Billy Sims was pretty good, before a knee injury ended his career.

Michigan Resurgent?  Michigan Resurgent!

The beatings will continue until the uniforms improve!

December 30th, 2012 at 1:25 PM | I'll miss seeing him punch (Score:2)
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I'll miss seeing him punch the air after squeaking a win out.

December 30th, 2012 at 1:31 PM | That is a good point (Score:-1 Overrated)
December 30th, 2012 at 1:41 PM | You are just on a roll here (Score:5 Normal)
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You are just on a roll here

Go Blue!

December 31st, 2012 at 1:23 AM | They call me butter (Score:-1 Offtopic)
December 30th, 2012 at 1:30 PM | Please (Score:1 Normal)
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Clean house and get bill cowher

December 30th, 2012 at 1:54 PM | Cowher would never go to (Score:2 Normal)
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Cowher would never go to Detroit. Being the coach of the Lions is asking to destroy your career and coaching reputation.

It's been a lot. Its been a roller coaster that for some reason seemed like it would never get good. But you know what? We kept fighting. It's like that old saying goes, "Those Who Stay Will Be Champions." -David Molk

December 30th, 2012 at 2:19 PM | great idea (Score:2 Normal)
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Great idea, but he would never come. The lions inability to ever pick up a highly regarded head coach makes me believe that our management and ownership really is that bad. No big name ever comes here. Are any of our former head coaches still head coaches on other teams? I guess if you want to revert back to being a coordinator after your years after head coaching then Detroit is the place to come.

“A Michigan man will coach Michigan.” - Bo Schembechler
December 30th, 2012 at 2:27 PM | IIRC, no former Lions head (Score:2)
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IIRC, no former Lions head coach during Ford's ownership has ever been a head coach after departing Detroit.

December 30th, 2012 at 1:32 PM | QB coach (Score:2)
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Lions should at the least be looking for a new QB coach. Stafford's fundamentals, particularly his footwork and throwing motion, have regressed.

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