His son who they tried to put in charge of Ford Motor and quickly realized that he had no idea what he's doing, and sent him back to play with his father's real life train set that is the Lions?
Lions Ownership Discussing Firing Jim Schwartz
A gross exaggeration of what happened. Bill Ford Jr. had a lot of really solid ideas for Ford that were way ahead of their time (like developing hybrids and getting into the public transportation business). Ford was in a shit spiral and bringing in a first time CEO was probably a really, really awful idea. And Ford himself stood aside in favor of someone with more experience.
The guy's an MIT grad, I'm pretty sure he can figure what it takes to get an NFL team running smoothly.
I would love a Grand Rapids franchise. It's a pain to drive 3 hours to the east side for every major sporting event.
Yeah having the DeVoses own a sports team is an awesome idea. Amway logos on the jerseys, just exactly what I want associated with my state.
This isn't based on anything tangible. All of the wealth and power in this state are firmly entrenched in Oakland County, and everywhere outside of Detroit itself in the Detroit area posted growth at the last census. Grand Rapdisites can keep on dreaming, but odds are much better that Southeastern Michigan continues it's evolution into a polycentric urban area ala the Ruhr area of Germany.
From the OP: "Mayhew put this roster together, and has to shoulder as much blame as anyone."
Sure about that? The Fords (as others have noted, the common thread in all the dysfunction of the past fifty years) are legendary for their micromanaging. Don't assume that they weren't calling the shots on some of the picks and roster moves. It has happened before (three straight WR as first round picks, etc.).
Yes, you're right, my entire topic should've been on firing the Ford's. While I completely agree that in the past, ownership has influenced draft choices, see Joe Harrington. But, for the sake of argument, now that Ford Jr. is more involved in the day to day operations, I think every draft since 09 has been Mayhew and company.
Can't. NFL owners are not allowed to own other pro teams if I'm not mistaken.
Except he said "in a dream world."
Saints owner Tom Benson bought the N.O. Hornets recently. Also, T.B. Bucs owner Malcom Glazer also owns Man U. Not a U.S. pro team, but a pro team nonetheless.
You are. NFL owners can't own teams in competing NFL markets, but they can own teams in their own markets and in markets without NFL teams (Paul Allen owns the Seahawks and the Trail Blazers, Tom Benson owns the Saints and the Hornets)
And if memory serves, Kraft owns the MLS team in Boston as well.
That's a different story... soccer is exempted from ownership restrictions altogether, so any NFL owner can own any soccer team.
Fuck it. Hire Nick Saban. After he skullfucks Notre Dame, of course.
I don't think Schwartz is going this season. Next year, OTOH, the hot seat is going to burn his asscheeks off.
We should hire Nick Saban as our head coach and Chip Kelly as our offensive coordinator.
if Saban would be on-board w/ Chip Kellys extremely unsafe pace of play.
John L. Smith as HC and Charlie Weis as OC. They couldn't do any worse.
John L. Smith as HC and Charlie Weis as OC. They couldn't do any worse.
EDIT: Oh, oh. The dreaded double post. Don't know how that happened.
No run game in the foreseeable future. Saban won't come here.
I put the blame on Schwartz not Mayhew. The Lions have playoff level talent (not Super Bowl talent, mind you). There is no excuse for this team to be 4-11 and the amazing ways that they got to that record are mostly on Schwartz. He has no control over his team.
I didn't liked Schwartz in the begining, but after last year I came around to thinking that he might actually be the guy to bring the Lions around to respectability. Instead I sit here in Wisconsin and have to watch the Lions choke away another game against the Packers and have to listen to people bitch about the Lions being dirty.
and see how he reacts. The Fords can afford this now.
As much as I like this idea, I can't imagine Detroit fans getting behind a former OSU coach. I also can't imagine the MSU component of the Lions fans getting behind Saban.
I'm afraid your imagination is lacking. Lions fans will approve of Saban or Urban if they win. In fact, why would any Lion fans be unhappy to see Urban ditch OSU after one season? Other than among the small contingent that are also OSU fans I think he would be a popular hire.
Why not? If he wins, Detroit would be more than happy to have him. Seems to me we had a LB who personified the franchise for years and was a total buckeye from head to toe plus never let anyone forget it. He was loved and still is for his grit and passion.
if it fucks over OSU, I'm for it.
I'm imagining your avatar speaking those words, and I like it.
Seriously, I guess you are all right. If Urban would dump the Buckeyes after one year, most Michiganders would embrace it. (The Spartan contingent will still hate Saban forever, or at least until that generation dies.)
In contrast to other years, are the Lions such a laughable product now?
* Have people at skill positions (running game not included)
* Have some pieces on defense (secondary not included)
* continuity in ownership (yeah, I know its the fords)
But compared to other slots that might be opening (NYJ, Cleveland, Jacksonville) and compared to previous years, coaching the Lions might be one of the better jobs out there.
NB: Sure, I'll do it. Sign me up.
Ya I agree it is time to get rid of schwartz, lots of terrible game management and an inability to get this team to the next level with all of our talent says a lot
That franchise hasn't made a wise or proactive decision in 55 years...who honestly believes that they will get this one right?
Any player who can be on the Lions for over 2 decades deserves a spot in the hall of fame or at least the key to the city
Billy Sims was pretty good, before a knee injury ended his career.
I'll miss seeing him punch the air after squeaking a win out.
You are just on a roll here
Clean house and get bill cowher
Cowher would never go to Detroit. Being the coach of the Lions is asking to destroy your career and coaching reputation.
Great idea, but he would never come. The lions inability to ever pick up a highly regarded head coach makes me believe that our management and ownership really is that bad. No big name ever comes here. Are any of our former head coaches still head coaches on other teams? I guess if you want to revert back to being a coordinator after your years after head coaching then Detroit is the place to come.
IIRC, no former Lions head coach during Ford's ownership has ever been a head coach after departing Detroit.
Lions should at the least be looking for a new QB coach. Stafford's fundamentals, particularly his footwork and throwing motion, have regressed.
Does Stafford have a shoulder injury? He's been throwing a lot of sidearm floaters with little or no zip.
I want 0-16 again!!
People keep saying urban Meyer on the board my ? Is with his so called health issues what more stressful job nfl or OSU. He wouldn't need to recruit or travel much in the nfl which would have to please him. I wonder if he would consider it for the right money?
It's not Schwartz, it's the max contracts of Suh, Stafford, and Johnson combined with Avril's franchise number. Lions had 3 expensive players from the last 3 rookie drafts without the new cap. Oops. It's hamstringing the franchise.
Yes, it was an abysmal bit of luck.
Schwartz deserves another year, after that feel free to fire him if he cannot return to the playoffs. I'd change up the coordinators, though.
I'm a giants fan so I don't have a horse in this race...but I just don't get the desire to fire a coach a year after the team's first playoff appearance in years. The league reacted and the Lions struggled this year. At the very least Schwatrz deserves one more year (maybe with some coaching changes and a new GM).
Detroit sports fans seem to expect the world every year and overreact when they don't get it. In fact, I remember several people on this board (and several friends) telling me the Tigers would sweep the World Series and when they lost I heard about the significant changes they needed to make. And that's coming from a New York sports fan.
Detroit sports fans are, on the whole, really stupid. It's a shame, but listening to sports talk radio in this town is especially brutal.
You should come to Cleveland. The sports fans here (especially the vocal ones) are incredibly stupid, impatient, etc. They have no experience with winning and therefore have no idea how it works, how to get there, etc. I moved here in 1995 and the fans dumped on Belichick 24/7. Then the Browns left for Baltimore and Belichick went to New England. Both won Super Bowls while leaving Cleveland behind. It was very telling. 24
Sports fans in general are painfully stupid. Thus, sports talk radio. But then they're made up by "people", and there are more dumb ones than smart ones.