Lewis and Butt not finalists for major national awards
November 24th, 2015 at 5:15 PM ^
Isn't Lewis already pretty much the consensus best corner in the nation?
November 24th, 2015 at 5:19 PM ^
These awards are half-decided before the season starts. So, it's all Jourdan's next year. I said Next Year -- right, Jourdan?
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November 24th, 2015 at 5:17 PM ^
Well that just means they have to come back and try again next year!
November 24th, 2015 at 5:17 PM ^
Selfishly, I'm good with both of these if it keeps the NFL at bay for one more year. Objectively, this seems like a mistake on the award committees' part.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:20 PM ^
I kinda doubt the NFL uses # of awards nominated for as a part of their scouting process...
November 24th, 2015 at 5:45 PM ^
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Yes they do
November 24th, 2015 at 5:26 PM ^
NFL don't use awards as part of their evaluation process. There are ton of people who won awards but didn't get drafted. Like that Louisville DBs who led the nation in INT last year got cut and is on the practice squad. Or Jason White winning the Heisman and went undrafted.
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November 24th, 2015 at 6:06 PM ^
But they might choose to forego the NFL for another year so they can win these awards.
November 24th, 2015 at 11:38 PM ^
No one seriously thinks the NFL uses meaningless awards as proxies for actual scouting.
November 25th, 2015 at 12:33 AM ^
on how often fans thinks they do factor into evaluations.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:17 PM ^
It's a traveshamockery.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:34 PM ^
No making up words....
"burglefliggle"
November 24th, 2015 at 5:17 PM ^
Doesn't Jake Butt lead all P5 TEs in yards and catches????
November 24th, 2015 at 5:26 PM ^
Henry overtook him with a huge game (~120 yards) last week.
November 24th, 2015 at 6:39 PM ^
the dude at arkansas? i recall really liking his tape / potential when hoke recruited him - the kid henry at arkansas and the TE at stanford (though his name escapes me) were 2 TEs i hoped hoke could reel in (at least out of the pool of reasonably interested prospects)
November 24th, 2015 at 5:20 PM ^
to see who the finalists are.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:21 PM ^
uuuuhhhhh
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November 24th, 2015 at 5:22 PM ^
they are being announced on ESPNU and they just happened to do those two pretty early, I will update with a link if I see one
November 24th, 2015 at 5:31 PM ^
At work trying to get some stuff done in between mgoblog visits.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:21 PM ^
Meh. Just beat OSU.
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November 24th, 2015 at 5:26 PM ^
I imagine Jim Harbaugh's response was not "meh."
Jim Harbaugh says... "ALL THE AWARDS."
November 24th, 2015 at 5:50 PM ^
Harbaugh says Team Team Team.
November 24th, 2015 at 7:38 PM ^
and Harbaugh regarding when he was a player and potentially winning the Heisman. Bo stood up in front of the team with him saying reporters were projecting Harbaugh as a possible winner, and asked what Harbaugh thought of that. Bo quickly then cut him off before he had a chacne to say anything and said something along the lines of "that's right Jim, you don't care about that because you care more about the team". Harbaugh dumfounded just said "yeah coach".
So I'm sure Harbaugh now would do the same thing for these guys.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:23 PM ^
What a complete joke.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:28 PM ^
I'm losing my mind right now. If I had the puffy coat, I'd be throwing it.
Absolute horseshit. Now watch Jourdan Lewis (rightfully) win B1G defensive back of the year.
Butt being a finalist for the Mackey is another joke. He has more receptions and yards than the finalists, I believe.
Blake O'Neill not even being a semifinalist for the Ray Guy is hilariously stupid.
Guess what? All three of those guys will be first team All-B1G, Lewis is gonna be a first team All-American and Lewis will be a first round draft pick in 2017.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:31 PM ^
Well, given that 2 of 3 Thorpe finalists named above are CB's, it seems pretty unlikely Jourdan will be 1st team All-AA, though a timely pick and a big game vs OSU could change that.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:53 PM ^
Just because the Thorpe voters are idiots doesn't mean those of the multiple All-America selectors are.
Being a Thorpe finalist isn't an auto-bid. Lewis had 9 PBUs against MSU and their first round receiver. That number from that one game is better than 2 of the 3 finalist's seasons.
Lewis has 19 PBUs. Desmond King has the most of any finalist at 10. That would be a SECOND place tie on Michigan with Peppers who has 10.
Hargreaves and Cash both have a whopping 2 PBUs.
Don't talk to me about INTs. Many of King's were floating gifts against Iowa's terrible schedule.
As far as pick sixes go, Lewis has one where he 100% made the play against NU.
November 24th, 2015 at 6:06 PM ^
King also has 8 INTs which is the same as Michigan has as a team. Tough to argue he doesn't deserve to be a finalist.
Cash also has 18 tackles for loss, which is kinda insane.
November 24th, 2015 at 6:12 PM ^
He's basically a LB. I can see why they invited him, though.
Hargreaves is the one who shouldn't be there:
0 TFL, 4 INT, 0 TD, 2 PBU.
Lewis-
2.5 TFL, 2 INT, 1 TD, 19 PBU
November 24th, 2015 at 7:06 PM ^
It almost seems like they are taking VH3's fresh and soph season into account because there is no way he should be above JD this year.
November 24th, 2015 at 9:25 PM ^
It's not about stats when it comes to CB. There is a reason why Hargreaves is considered to be the best CB prospect in the NFL draft. It's his ability to cover WRs. QBs don't throw the ball in his way. Hard to compile stats when they rarely throw in his way.
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November 24th, 2015 at 7:05 PM ^
against MSU, not 9. But yes, he's been excellent. I don't think you can just not talk about INTs though. It's basically a PBU but a lot better, since you're breaking the pass up AND changing possession rather than just causing an incompletion.
November 24th, 2015 at 8:06 PM ^
Yeah, you're right it was 6. Don't know why I thought it was 9.
That makes his season even more impressive because he got the additional 3 in other games.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:49 PM ^
I've been envisioning your closet to look like this with one of everything.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:59 PM ^
King will win B1G defensive back of the year.
Agree on Butt.
O'Neill had no chance at an award after MSU.
November 24th, 2015 at 6:05 PM ^
Oh, you mean the game where he kicked an 80 yard punt which was the longest punt in college football this season?
Him dropping a bad snap when the snapper was illegally run over has nothing to do with his ability.
Lewis will win B1G defensive back of the year. It may be a split award, as they can do that and I'd disagree with it but understand it since the media likes shiny objects.
He will get that award though, be it split or outright.
November 24th, 2015 at 9:09 PM ^
but it's really the bounce that decides a huge kick's length, and that's pretty much up to luck.
November 24th, 2015 at 9:37 PM ^
The dropped snap is a glaring negative. At punter, no stats are gonna overcome that. But regardless, Michigan is 85th in net punting. O'Neill also had a punt blocked and one returned for a TD. And when you look at the guys they did pick you see they're all in the top 6 in punting average. O'Neill is 65th.
King has the sexy ints so he will win. Plus Iowa is 11-0.
November 24th, 2015 at 6:37 PM ^
But Desmond King is going to win the B1G Defensive Back of the Year unless Jourdan Lewis has a Woodson-like OSU statement game. King is having a monster season with 8 INTs, and Iowa may go 12-0 and win their division. And all 8 of those INTs came against Power 5 competition so it is not like he padded those stats against weak competition. In fact, Iowa has played 9 Power 5 schools so far this season, and King has at least one INT in 6 of those games. Both are deserving, but I think you give King the nod with his team's success.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:25 PM ^
I'm alright with Lewis topping out as a semi-finalist. King has a ton of INTs, Hargreaves is the best cover guy in the nation, and Lewis did give up a lot of yards against MSU (despite a overall solid performance).
But Butt's omission is a travesty. He's 2nd out of all P5 tight ends in yardage -- about 200 more than the Stanford and Clemson TEs and only 40 fewer yards and the same number of TDs as Henry. Without a doubt, he's performed like one of the top 2 TEs in the nation this season.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:54 PM ^
Lewis is better than Vernon, he hasn't even played better than Tabor and there on the same team. He gave up a hundred yard on 20 Targets.. doesn't matter who the CB, 20 targets is a lot and Burbridge is a top flight WR. Jourdan got robbed.
November 24th, 2015 at 6:09 PM ^
Lewis is not better than Vernon sir, and that's coming from a massive JD fan.
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November 24th, 2015 at 6:21 PM ^
Have you watched Vernon this year? He has been mediocre.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:26 PM ^
They sure can lie.
November 24th, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^
Definitely not NFL ready! See?!?
November 24th, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^
DISrESPEKT
November 24th, 2015 at 5:42 PM ^
Baxter kind of cracks me up in this gif.
November 24th, 2015 at 8:42 PM ^
"Alright John, just stay completely still...his vision is based on movement..."