courts be like "why is it a problem if people get money"
Lewan's on field antics
He looked like a cheap-shot artist today. He didn't do himself any favors for his draft stock today. He should have gone last year.
He'll still grade out 1st round top 15.
Word is he is seen as a late 1st to early 2nd round. He has been very average this season.
aren't scouts and they're terrible draft analysts. Scout's draft grades are vastly different than both of them.
I'm not pissed at him because of today. I'm just saying it because I do know one who scouted Lewan extensively.
they have insiders feeding them info or false info. They really don't scout and it's pretty clear when you see them talk about prospects.
Scouting is grading prospects based on their ability, not guess where they would land in a mock draft. Mock drafts are for fans to talk about but scouts don't pay attention to it.
Ever wonder why some prospects stock "rises" or "fall" during off-season? it's because Kiper/McShay got intel about their grades that barely changed once the season ended. A player who is a fast riser are always been a first rounder since the season ended.
Are you a scout?
You call MSU players thugs yet Lewan is the one twisting players face mask repeatedly and losing his cool on the field. If MSU players are thugs then what does that make Lewan?
I'm not sure about the stats line, but I remember (I think the Penn State Game) in the game where he was hurt he looked tired/slow and almost gave up blocking/ got beat letting Gardner get sacked.
I try not to get too down on the kids who play for michigan for mistakes, or poor play, or whatever, but I can't stand the way he carries himself. Between his bullshit sound bytes about how things are 'unacceptable' or 'not going to happen again' to his stupid penalties and bush league plays like this, I'm sick of it. He doesn't deserve to wear that number
Given how many posters type "unacceptable" and "shouldn't happen again" on a blog.
Like you should have a problem when the player says that.
Well, I don't throw around terms like unacceptable so i guess the irony's lost on me. Further, the message board posters who do aren't affiliated with the team and have no real input into how the games actually go. Lewan does, and he's made statements like that in the past to absolutely no apparent affect. I don't mind when people run their mouths, but I mind when they do and don't back it up
Tell him that to his face and I'll hide and watch.
I kind of thought the first penalty he got was lame.
He just facewashed a guy like in hockey. No facemask, just pushed his head.
I can't stand that bag 'o' shit dantonio. "I think we let a lion out of its cage" (referring to Lewan)
I hope someone goes left on him. Way left-
How did you leap to the conclusion that Dantonio was talking about Lewan with that comment?
Because about 2 minutes before they asked him, Lewan was going at it before halftime at midfield.
And can anyone confirm that Michigan was jumping around on the logo at midfield because it looked like it from the brief look in ABC did.
He was talking about his own team. Did you hear his comments post game? He absolutely meant his own team.
I was very dissapointed with Lewan's complete lack of class today. Makes Michigan look pretty bad.
You mean Tyler Lewan?
I think he meant Taylor Lewin.
the players shouldn't be allowed to talk to the media before the State game.
Shut up and play
I know Fitz wasn't directly calling MSU their "litte brother" but him talking about the subject this past week didn't do UM any favors, win or lose.
football is a nasty business. When someone steps on you... you remember it. When the time comes you are either intimidated or you respond. To do nothing is a truly high road.
I don't like what he did - but he responded like an enforcer and dare I say a leader. MSU got out of hand in 2011 and this series will take a few years to forget it.
this is football. Dong punches happen. They should be flagged, penalized and discouraged up to the point of ejection and suspension. If Lewan is suspended for Nebraska I won't feel bad for him. I understand what he did.
You don't take punches to your gullet or see your QBs head get shanked without responding. What Lewan did was done with nowhere near the force or intent Gholston fouled Denard. Lewan made a point. It happens all the time in sport. It's a part of it. He was penalized earlier for it and chastised at half time by Hoke. It's done. It can't be undone.
To expect him to sit back and not defend his team is not realistic. It's a passionate and violent sport.
Wow, you are delusional.
that was a dumb comment.
Seriously ... have you ever?
I'm not saying he shouldn't be held accountable or that what he did was right. I am saying that I understand it. Is your understanding that what he did had no context? no raminfication outside of the play in which it happened.
The guy is human. 60 minutes of unnecessary roughness - that is where this comes from - point to the source.
What Lewan did was dirty and should be held to a higher standard as a leader. This is coming from a guy who have played for a team that just wins game after game with teams resorting to dirty tatics because they couldn't beat us fair and square.
especially given the circumstance within this game and series. As a former player you must see that in Lewan. Don't pillory him or judge him in a vacuum.
MSU didn't resort to tactics because they couldn't beat us fair and square. There is more than the simple foul here.
how exactly did the leader part work out today---or is it a clever long play??
but we didn't lose because of Lewan's antics. What Lewan did was wrong and there certainly is nothing clever about it. It certainly wasn't a Long play. Lewan has rage where Jake had serene confidence. Rage is a part of Lewans gift and his play.
Leadership is what people follow. The team can decide for themselves who to follow. Lewan can decide how to qualify his actions. Fans are too far removed from the field.
Enough with the high brow posts where men, most of whom have never suited up, berate Lewan for not acting like a Michigan man. He was the enforcer today and it needed to happen. He understands the consequences of his behavior. I met Taylor last week at the UM hockey game....nicest kid...and we spoke about how MSU plays and what you have to do to counter it. It is hard to walk the line of being aggressive and maintaining your emotions.
So, criticize the kid if you want, but I bet most of this board probably acted more like an ass screaming at the TV from the comfort of your living room when UM was getting pushed around.
He met Lewan, he is the nicest dude, cmon guys
I wasn't speaking in the abstract. I was responding to the post that suggested--no stated--that Lewan was simply being a leader. He wasn't of course. He was being self-centered. He embarrassed the team and the Michigan community. But that said--an apology and some punishment mighy suffice.
You honestly don't think MSU was doing some similar type of stuff? Just because the biased broadcast only wanted to focus on Lewan doesn't mean it was the only "dirty" things happening on the field.
Of course I am not going to excuse Lewan wholly, he lost his cool/temper at times and let MSU's trash talking get to him. Needs be smarter. Honestly think it is more frustration at this point, due to the o-line problems. Lewan has always had a nasty side to him though, sometimes it may go a little too far.
"The other guy was doing it too" is not an excuse.
Be above it. Especially when you're the guy everyone is watching.
Biased broadcast? hahaha It certainly may be the case that the cameras just happened to pick that up and not some stuff State was doing, but if you actually think the network was trying to make Lewan look like a dirty player, you're delusional.
About 20 hours after having been to the game to see it for myself, I finally get it. It was tv. The broadcast director decided to put a camera on Lewan and follow him. For a story; the "game within a game." 'Let's watch this guy Lewan; we have this great sub-story on UM-MSU being a dirty game... He's a nationally-known player; a future NFL draft pick... People will latch on to this story...'
Count me as "delusional", my friend!
Because I go to a lot of games live, and then watch the replays later on BTN, I get to see how the broadcasts skew the attitude of a game. Yessir; the views on television are very limiting. Some things are revealed, with video slow-motion. Other things are obscured. The way that a broadcast director uses replay, slow-motion, and the announcers, is remarkable in shaping people's opinions about what they are watching on a screen.
If I offered you the chance to be a live eyewitness to an event, or to see a video of an event which might or might not be a good view, or the chance to be an eyewitness and see the video later, which would you choose? I'd choose video last; I'd choose being an actual eyewitness over video. But most of all, I'd probably like to see it for myself, and then see what a big tv audience saw, and then I'd be in a great position to comment on both views.
I had no idea as I was leaving Spartan Stadium what the tv audience had been shown, as a kind of Taylor Lewan freakshow. I was in the Spartan Varsity Club after the game, with all of the old-time Spartan royalty, where there are about 20 high-def televisions, and a lady who had watched the game in the club because the weather had been so bad was yelling at me about how Taylor Lewan had "facemasked three players!!!" I just laughed and said, "Sorry."
Now, I am really looking forward to seeing the BTN rebroadcast.
That saying about wrestling with pigs comes to mind. You'll just get shit all over you and the pig will enjoy it. Lewan decided to wrestle with the pigs. Bad idea.
doesn't understand the nature of cherry-picked footage to back up a media narrative. I can guarantee the MSU DL were taunting and cheap-shotting him just as often.
This board ridiculed MSU fans for saying the same thing about Gholston in 2011. Very similar to Mouton's punch in that we don't seem to be able to admit when it's our guys playing cheap and dirty. MSU's taunting and cheapshots aren't relevant. Grab a guys facemask and twist it while he's on the ground and you should be suspended at least one game. Call it what it is.
lewan is a human being, and young... there is no one on this board, no matter how old, than can always predict how we will react when provoked. cut him some slack for being human.
The dude's a redshirt senior! He must be at least 22 years old. There's no way in hell you'd say that about a State player anyway. The one where that player was on the ground was dirty, no question about it. Those other 2 plays in OP's gif though are weak as hell though.
And so was Gholston.
Cut the crap people, Taylor Lewan got personal foul(s) for a reason.
Please go back and watch what Gholston did again. He yanked Robinson's facemask half way around and could have easily done serious spinal damage to him. Lewan's facemask wasn't nearly as dangerous.
To quote my parents: I don't care what they did, I care what you got caught doing.
What he did today, paired with his remarks during the week regarding just walking away. It's time to grow up as a player, hell, as a person. This one and Fitz really ticked me off, you know they got state fired up and they played like they had something to prove.
I would have a pretty serious problem with your parents.
I'm not exactly pleased with Lewan's behavior, but the link in the OP doesn't paint a complete picture.