By the Big Ten, anyway.
Lewan won't get suspended
I'd hope they wouldn't suspend him 21 hours prior to gametime
Didn't the B1G do that to Jonas Mouton or did they do that earlier in the week.
And Coach Rodriguez, rightly, complained.
He could use the time off. It is pretty common knowledge in the Ath Dept that he had a bad concussion a month ago and is still affected.
Dafuq you talkin' 'bout?
This is not news. He has been struggling since the big opener and even sat a half out 1 game. Did you perhaps miss watching the second half of the PSU game? Do you think the coaches thought he wasn't necessary and benched him for fun?
He had a hip issue, came back in for one play, then came back out. There is no way that the coaching staff lets him back out on the field if he has a concussion.
You don't take a kid's helmet away if he has solely a hip issue. Hoke even said in the next presser there were multiple issues. You could even see them giving him the battery of concussion questions, so... I don't know what to tell you.
And I'm saying there is no way he gets back onto the field if they think there is any chance that he has a concussion. So...I don't know what to tell you.
Dude, football has not changed as much as you think. There are still millions of dollars on the line here for coaches and for Lewan. I know you have like 10k points on this site, but so much unsavory shit goes down at UM, just like everywhere else where a lot is on the line. I know it doesn't fit our little naritive and we think we are different, but over the past decade of being an attorney in A2 I have known several UM coaches, a bunch of AD reps and a lot of UM and A2 cops though my job. A lot of stuff does not get released for a variety of reasons.
It ends up on these lovely forums. Just saying, it is the first time I have seen anything about this. I have a hard time believing we wouldn't find out about any of this, due to an emphasis on player safety and all, but I guess you know better than us.
This is easier to figure out than a Murder She Wrote episode. Taylor has been off for a while, watch the game tape. The ironic thing, is that a close friend of mine who is the head coach of a women's sport at UM said to me that there is an increased level of scrutiny on head injuries, and he thinks that his players sometime claim a headache when they want a day off ( he coaches a contact sport, even for women), but he specifically stated that football is not as strict about it as other sports. A lot of it is that football player lobby to go back in while toughness is not as much a credo for other sports. Things are glossed over. If you think that is BS, fine. If you think that we don't face the same pressures and take some shortcuts as everyone else you are living in candyland.
Also, I do not put up police blotter stuff on the board unless it is reported elsewhere, but I will say that I don't talk shit anymore about MSU's arrest record.
Actually, you do. Lewan went back onto the field without the coaches' permission, which is why they took away his helmet. It doesn't matter what type of injury it is - head, knee, ankle, wrist, etc. Hell, sometimes you take away a player's helmet for disciplinary reasons.
The point of taking the helmet away is to prevent the person from going out on the field, not to signify that there's something wrong with their head.
No snark, just curious.
I heard from a source inside the team that Lewan is indeed transferring. Don't kill the messenger.
I heard that the whole team is transferring and we are adopting Ferris States football program.
At least the o-line will improve.
Marvin Robinson and Kaleb Ringer will finally get their due!
Does this open a spot for Stephon Diggs?
Transferring to the nfl?
Honestly, I'm surprised. Kid probably needs the wakeup call, as much as I like him.
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of suspensions for this type of thing. I'm not necessarily against those decisions when made, I just think there are better way to punish that particular player than to have him sit out. Giving that player a punishment outside of PT will teach him better than sitting out, and it won't punish the rest of the team. If you suspend Taylor Lewan for a game, that's really punishing Gardner more than Lewan, and I know it's a team game and everything, but I don't think that's the best way.
Now, my opinion only works when the coach actually punishes the player himself. If the coach doesn't have a problem with the action on the field, then the league stepping in is the only way, since in that instance it's the team that needs the punishment. The problem there, though, is that's impossible to determine.
I might have tolerated a Lewan suspension, if Gholston had gotten suspended for his helmet-twist, and his evil arm-bar on Lewan, and if Marcus Rush had gotten suspended for injuring Denard. But since they didn't, I'd have protested any suspension for Lewan. Fuck Dantonio and his filthy team and that filthiest of games.
I would have been OK with it. Its probably stupid of me, but I expect more from our guys than I do from theirs. Regardless of the B1G, I hope Hoke punishes him, even if its just the first series. Snap his consecutive starts streak. Its not a big deal, but it would be a great teaching moment for the team: that stuff wont be tolerated, no matter who does it.
You have the morals of Ace Williams. How can you have gone through so many years on this planet and still have such an immature thought process?
how happy were we that he came back, and now I'm quite ready for him to be out of here.
What the hell is wrong with you?
people twisting players facemasks while lying on the ground?
I'm sure very few like that, but is that enough to say you want him out of here? I'm certainly not proud of it, but I'm not ready to cut him over it either.
that some of this is probably the rumors about the texting the girl that had accused Gibbons of rape threatening messages as well. Might not have happened, but it's hard to just dismiss.....
Of course it's easy to dismiss. It's an unsubstantiated rumor that fits some people's agendas.
I don't like people playing on my phone. I keeps it real.
I hope he doesn't lose much sleep worrying about what you think.
You seem to have loyalty issues.
Don't lump all of our excitement to have him back with your anticipation for him to leave.
The B1G should not suspend them for this, so they got t right. My reasoning is they if they didn't suspend ghoulston, or numerous other thug-like plays, it would be unfair to suspend our guy.
However, hoke SHOULD have suspended him. It was a classless move and we hold ourselves out as being better than that. I am frankly surprised by hoke not doing so. I expected more.
I can get behind this
I'm not sure if you understand how this game is typically played. Everyone likes to get on their high horse and demand that our players play with such class and boyscout honor. This is a very violent game. Most of the time, our players are trying to mame the guy across from them. It is war. It is an angry affair. Sometime emotion gets the best of you. Sometimes choking the guy you are going against or punching the guy in the throat with the ball when there is a fumble happens. With the amount of video analysis now this is getting more and more exposed. But make no mistake, the big uglies on the team are not there to play paddycake. They are out for blood. Like it or not, that is the game of football, and if you played on a competitive team, you would know that this is the norm. Sorry to burst all your sensitive bubbles. This is a game for men with anger and cock and balls. It is changing unfortunately, and it will soon be flag football and it's all going to be all your fault. Fuck me I quit America.
Before you say that you expected more from Hoke, remind yourself that playing time suspensions are not the only punishment a player can receive. I'm sure Hoke handled it in some way, but don't say you "expected more" simply because you weren't informed of what the punishment is or was.
Yep, I had to remind a Sparty friend that Tom was, in fact, suspended for throwing a punch.
Never throws any punches
/except that time he did
I haven't seen that. Do you have a gif or video of a punch?
If I was Hoke I would have suspended him. I believe that Gholston should have been suspended too. When he goes to the NFL if they get tape of that same sort of thing they'll fine him. What's more with the state the O-line is in and with the offensive coordinator and OL coach under fire right now there's every appearance of having OL depth influence the decision to not take away the unit's far and away best player. On the other hand if they did suspend him it would send a clear message to everybody inside and outside the program as to what kind of team this is going to be.
From what I know of Lewan he would have accepted it. And it would be good for the young guys in that unit to witness how an adult takes his due punishment and then comes back and gets back to work.
Most importantly, however, he twisted a guy's helmet after the play was over, and that could have led to the kind of injury that people don't come back from. In a perfect world that would be the only consideration.
Are you taking the rest o' the magic mushrooms from yesterday? It was a bone-headed foul, probably born of frustration and circumstance. I don't condone the act, but I recall at least one occassion where a MSU player was grasping Lewan under the helmet where the ear pad meets the chin strap. He complained several times. No one wants injury, but I tend to agree with Dominick's Lunch on the issue. Been there. Been bitten. Been pinched. Been punched. Been pissed.
I think what MSU was doing is irrelevant unless you're the guy responsible for what MSU is doing. Since I doubt Dantonio would discipline his players for dirty behavior I would expect the Big Ten would take action if shown the tape and it's indeed pretty bad.
I'm only judging Michigan's response, so what MSU players were doing is irrelevant.
I would have to agree here with Seth. I expect a different kind of standard and Lewan would have taken it for the better of the team. I was disappointed that Hoke was so quick to make the "no suspension" statement at the presser. He should have at least elaborated that it was being handled internally and that there would be discipline of some sort. I felt as though he just brushed it off.
has UM ever suspended a player for a dirty play on the field? I'm at a loss to remember any pro of college team ever doing this when the league decided not to. I am sure it must have happened somewhere, sometime, but is exceedingly rare. I think he should have been pulled from the game when it happened.
Alabama sat Yeldon the beginning of the next game for unsportsmanlike after a touchdown, a double throat slash. Obviously no one could have been hurt but it was a discipline issue.
You're right that the NFL would fine him, which is their way of holding players accountable without causing them to lose playing time. There are other ways to do that in college - in particular, extra conditioning. NFL coaches don't bother with that sort of thing.
As for your last point, when has a football player been seriously injured by the action you saw Taylor Lewan take against Isaiah Lewis on Saturday? I have asked this question numerous times over the last week since it happened, and I have yet to see anyone even attempt to answer this question. I have been playing, watching, and/or coaching football for the majority of my life, and I have never seen a serious injury from a facemask penalty (or its equivalent).
I don't have an example. I knew a kid in high school who had a pretty severe neck injury from a facemask during a play. The other thing I have is a supposition that the better fitting helmets of today are more likely to carry the head wherever the facemask goes--when I was in high school linemen would twist each others' facemasks all the time but it would just spin on your head and make it hard to see--not take your head with it.
Anyway I'm going mostly off of common sense: twisting somebody's neck more than 90 degrees seems to be the kind of thing that spines don't like at all. We probably need a doctor to tell us more.
what was going on in the game and in past games. If Gholston doesn't yank Denard's facemask does Lewan yank this one two years later. You are crazy if you think the answer is yes.
Both coaching staffs need to take a step back and coach respect for their opponents. It's not clear whether this is going to blow over or not - but I think it will. Regardless of Lewan's play - the game this year was much better than 2011 in terms of personal fouls (IMO at least.)
Not calling a suspension is the right move. I would have been OK with it but this focuses back on football. To make more of this is to focus more attention to it next year.
You may be right. I may be crazy. But it just may be a loooonatic you're lookin' for.
I can't believe I have to say this on this blog but Taylor Lewan is 16. His IP address traces back to a public library in Scottsdale, Arizona. He also has a problem with retarded fat ass aunts in section 4.
Bullshit. Everyone knows Taylor Lewan is really RDT.